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Jeb Bush is wrong: Ronald Reagan could have won the 2012 Republican nomination easily
The Great Britain (UK) Telegraph ^ | June 11th, 2012 | By Tim Stanley

Posted on 06/11/2012 9:34:32 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

Jeb Bush says that if Ronald Reagan was alive today he would struggle to win the Republican presidential nomination. I should think so – the great man would be 101 (that gag is copyrighted to Jonah Goldberg).

What Bush meant was that Reagan’s history of compromise with Democrats would make him unacceptable to the GOP base. He told Bloomberg reporters that Reagan and Bush's father, President George HW Bush, "got a lot of stuff done with a lot of bipartisan support. [Reagan] would be criticized for doing the things that he did.” The remark is electoral gold for Obama as it conforms to the narrative of Republican extremism vs Democratic centrism. It confirms a widely held view that the GOP, thanks to the Tea Party, is more Rightwing than ever before. Ronald Reagan would struggle to get nominated today and George HW Bush wouldn't have a hope in Hell.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; bush; election2012; reagan
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1 posted on 06/11/2012 9:34:41 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet
"...and George HW Bush wouldn't have a hope in Hell"

Well, he's got that part right. We wouldn't have Gulf War II going on all this time if his daddy would have finished Gulf War I.

2 posted on 06/11/2012 9:39:08 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: US Navy Vet

Look at the screeching tantrum that team Romney threw when Santorum encouraged union members to vote for him.

Mitty would have a had a stroke over Reagan walking into union shops and campaigning directly to them.


3 posted on 06/11/2012 9:41:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: US Navy Vet

Struggle against who? He was certainly more conservative than the field we just voted on.


4 posted on 06/11/2012 9:41:20 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: US Navy Vet

Reagan would have cleaned Romney’s clock.

And crushed Zero the commie. I would love to see Reagan take on Zero. Reagan was better at crushing commies than anyone, and Zero and his commie friends would have presented a target rich environment.


5 posted on 06/11/2012 9:41:57 AM PDT by mojito
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To: US Navy Vet
Since there's no conservative running, I intend to write-in President Reagan this November. His mouldering corpse could do a better job than either Romney or the Narcissist-in-Chief.





Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

6 posted on 06/11/2012 9:42:22 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: US Navy Vet

This is such nonsense. The left can take whoever they want to consider the most rabid Tea Party extremist out there and I dare them to show me where that person’s platform differs from Reagan’s in the slightest.


7 posted on 06/11/2012 9:42:29 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Slump Tester

You missed an “H”.


8 posted on 06/11/2012 9:44:53 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: US Navy Vet
this is tota1 bu11$h!t...O'Bozo (& his
media morons) are lying again.
but, when is that news.
thxs, for the post.

9 posted on 06/11/2012 9:46:59 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: US Navy Vet

All Bushes, and Clintons, are always wrong. They belong to a deluded group known as Merovingians, that believe that they rightfully posess a Life Estate on positions of authority, because they are descended from Jesus Christ.

This is no joke; they truly believe that. If you wish to waste your time, pray for their eternally lost souls.
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10 posted on 06/11/2012 9:51:27 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Easily? Even against RINO Romney forces’ millions of dollars & their scorched earth primary campaign? Mitt would have demonized Reagan in the GOP primaries even worse than Dems did back in the 1980 general.


11 posted on 06/11/2012 9:53:33 AM PDT by Josh Painter ("The lesser of two evils is, by definition, evil." - Josh Painter)
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To: Slump Tester

“We wouldn’t have Gulf War II going on all this time if his daddy would have finished Gulf War I.”

It was the price we paid for forming/entering a UN coalition the Dems demanded. We could have easily kicked Hussein out of Kuwait and removed him from Iraq, without the aid of all those other countries, but the Dems wanted cover.

The UN coalition demanded the limited objective of freeing Kuwait and forbad eliminating/removing Saddam in exchange for their cooperation. HW should have said FUUN, but as an honorable/ethical man HW didn’t. HW’s biggest fault was in believing the Donks were patriots, instead of the partisan socialist liars they were.
The the future, especially since the advent of Obama, such naivete in a president is a luxury we can no longer afford.


12 posted on 06/11/2012 9:57:57 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Slump Tester

If we had had conservative nominees instead of the two Bushes, we could have avoided federalizing the number of handicapped parkings spaces throughout the fifty states (the ADA) (Bush I) and the federal prescription drug benefit, invasion of Iraq and “global democratic revolution” (Bush II), among other things.


13 posted on 06/11/2012 9:59:23 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: US Navy Vet

Reagan was known as a true radical right winger when he ran in the tail end of 1960s/Vietnam/Watergate America in 1979, his challenge was to overcome fear of the dangers of taking a chance with someone so genetically conservative.

Today, candidate Reagan would be much more conservative because the political climate would allow it, with rebellion stirring, the tea party, Palin, a republican Congress, republican Governors and state legislatures, knowing that he would probably be getting a republican Senate.

The reason that it was so important to get Romney in for the GOPe is to try to dampen down and end this conservative energy.

Reagan would have been in hog heaven with this political climate and with such a large conservative activist base, he would be using his economic degree and expertise to take the right to a 63% victory.


14 posted on 06/11/2012 10:02:04 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Josh Painter

and Reagan would have turned it right around on Mitt, just like he did GHWB and any other establishment favorite of the time. New players today, but the same game. The tepid DC insiders vs. principled, bold leadership. Reagan had it, just as the tea party movement does today.


15 posted on 06/11/2012 10:04:08 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: US Navy Vet

ATTENTION JEB BUSH!

Please go away - Your 15 minutes is up.


16 posted on 06/11/2012 10:04:17 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: Josh Painter
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Mitt Romney can burn for ETERNITY in Planet Kolob's hell fires ...


Questions ?


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17 posted on 06/11/2012 10:04:17 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: US Navy Vet

Not the first time Jeb missed the mark.
Please do NOT nominate Jeb as V.P. , no more RINO B.S.


18 posted on 06/11/2012 10:06:03 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: US Navy Vet

He needs to go away and take the rest of the rino’s with him.


19 posted on 06/11/2012 10:20:10 AM PDT by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: US Navy Vet

Some Republicans will never get Reagan. That being the case, I wish they’d re-register as a Democrat and be done with it.

I expect these types of comments out of Carter, Clinton, and Obama. I don’t expect them out of middle-aged Republicans who should know better.


20 posted on 06/11/2012 10:31:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: ansel12

I agree with your take on it.


21 posted on 06/11/2012 10:35:29 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Bush family, thank you for those positive things you did, now shut up and go away. You have passed the point of diminishing returns.


22 posted on 06/11/2012 10:54:41 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: US Navy Vet

Reagan returned might well win as a left Democrat. His persona and his approach- a couple of strong issues persistently and without sidelining- were a big part of that. Then again, I can’t imagine any liberal with Reagan’s persona. When your ideology is fantasy you can’t easily project it with firm conviction and that firm conviction is awfully difficult to fake.


23 posted on 06/11/2012 10:59:32 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: cdcdawg
Bush family, thank you for those positive things you did, now shut up and go away. You have passed the point of diminishing returns.

The Bushes hate Reagan. Nuff said.

24 posted on 06/11/2012 11:01:09 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: US Navy Vet
"Jeb Bush is wrong."

Isn't that redundant?

25 posted on 06/11/2012 11:02:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: cdcdawg

And just WHAT were these “Positive Things” the Bush Family did? Name a few?


26 posted on 06/11/2012 11:05:47 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

I was really just trying to be polite, but there are a few things. I’ll give GHWB credit for assembling a coalition for Gulf War Part One, though he didn’t finish the job. He put Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, when he could have bailed on him. W was a strong leader in the aftermath of 9/11, put two solid Justices on the Court, and his tax cuts were a good thing. He also kept Al Gore and John Kerry from becoming President. Jeb was a reasonably good governor of Florida. Yep, it’s a pretty short list.


27 posted on 06/11/2012 11:24:27 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: US Navy Vet

If you cant think of any there is something seriously wrong with you


28 posted on 06/11/2012 11:28:04 AM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: Digger

BS


29 posted on 06/11/2012 11:29:27 AM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: woofie

Spoken like a TRUE BushBot!


30 posted on 06/11/2012 11:30:20 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Jeb Bush is a fool.


31 posted on 06/11/2012 11:31:44 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Of course, Reagan could sail to the top and get elected - twice to boot!

It's George HW that, in hind sight could not get the top spot after Reagan but he ran on "this will be the Reagan third term." Never happened and that's why GHWB couldn't win his second term against Clinton.

Never forget, GHWB's famous, "Read my lips, no new taxes," and lied!!!

Sorry Jebby, it's you and the rest of your moderate GOP, pro-amnesty, family that couldn't get the nomination!

W fought the war against the "religion of peace" thank God and placed pro-life justices in place but other than those things for which I will be eternally grateful, the Bush family are not what America needs today.

32 posted on 06/11/2012 11:46:16 AM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Forty-Niner; Slump Tester

>> “HW should have said FUUN, but as an honorable/ethical man HW didn’t.” <<

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You’re dreaming 49er. - No Bonesman is an honorable man. He took a blood oath to favor his lodge and brothers over truth and the general good.

It doesn’t matter how the people vote; Masons and Bonesmen are put in power to do the kinds of things that Bush and Boehner and Clinton do.

The dems need no ‘cover,’ the media are in their pockets; the agenda is all that matters.
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33 posted on 06/11/2012 11:46:52 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: zerosix

2 Words for all of “W’s” “pro-life justices”, “Harriet Miers”.


34 posted on 06/11/2012 11:49:07 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Forty-Niner

“HW’s biggest fault was in believing the Donks were patriots, instead of the partisan socialist liars they were.The the future, especially since the advent of Obama, such naivete in a president is a luxury we can no longer afford.”

I would have to disagree that George H.W. Bush was a naive man.

The following words are those of a man of purpose, who fully knows what he intends to accomplish.

From President George H.W. Bush’s New World Order Speech.

“A new partnership of nations has begun, and we stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment! The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation! Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective—a new world order—can emerge: A new era—freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony.

A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor, and today that new world is struggling to be born. A world quite different from the one we’ve known. A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. A world where the strong respect the rights of the weak.

This is the vision that I shared with President Gorbachev in Helsinki! He and the other leaders from Europe, the gulf and around the world understand that how we manage this crisis today could shape the future for generations to come!”


35 posted on 06/11/2012 11:51:30 AM PDT by ngat
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To: cdcdawg

>> “Bush family, thank you for those positive things you did” <<

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Could you name a dozen or so of them?
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36 posted on 06/11/2012 11:52:13 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: cdcdawg; US Navy Vet

>> “ Jeb was a reasonably good governor of Florida” <<

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Then why is Terry Schiavo dead?
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37 posted on 06/11/2012 11:55:17 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: woofie

If you can think of any you’re deluded.
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38 posted on 06/11/2012 11:57:20 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: ngat

“I would have to disagree that George H.W. Bush was a naive man.”

Oh really????

You post goes a long way to illustrate his naivete.


39 posted on 06/11/2012 12:18:12 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: ngat; Forty-Niner
“HW’s biggest fault was in believing the Donks were patriots, instead of the partisan socialist liars they were.”

I would have to disagree that George H.W. Bush was a naive man.

The other possible theory is that he knew and didn't care. Is that the theory you prefer?

40 posted on 06/11/2012 12:26:33 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: editor-surveyor

You misread my meaning. Once Bush committed to UN/coalition action he was stuck. He couldn’t turn back or go back on that committment. As I said “HW should have said FUUN,.....”

I have serious doubts that College club/society loyalities/oaths last much beyond college years, except as shared experience.


41 posted on 06/11/2012 12:26:51 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies; ngat

“. Is that the theory you prefer?”

Not me! HW was too trusting of others, as I said “naivete.”


42 posted on 06/11/2012 12:31:23 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Slump Tester

The RINO extraordinair who let Teri Schievo go to her death should join the democratic party.


43 posted on 06/11/2012 1:09:18 PM PDT by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Jeb Bush is wrong: Ronald Reagan could have won the 2012 Republican nomination easily
Could have and would have. No contest.
44 posted on 06/11/2012 1:16:10 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: US Navy Vet

Reagan would still win.

But he would banned here.


45 posted on 06/11/2012 2:17:20 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on their 2012 pick.)
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To: Forty-Niner

>> “I have serious doubts that College club/society loyalities/oaths last much beyond college years, except as shared experience” <<

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You may wish to believe that, but the visible, and documented evidence says that it is the strongest bond on Earth.


46 posted on 06/11/2012 2:55:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: US Navy Vet

I do not subscribe to the whole bot thing as I think calling someone a bush bot or any other kund of bot dismisses someone with contrary views.

The Bush family sacrificed a lot to run for public office and take on the mantle of Governor, congressman, and president ,
Since you purport to be a vet (according to your moniker) you should be more aware than most what that means. The fact that you consider the Bush family “bad” gives you a rotten stench in my book no matter who you are


47 posted on 06/11/2012 3:03:11 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: editor-surveyor

IT IS REALLY PATHETIC WHEN PEOPLE SUPPOSEDLY ON THE RIGHT ACT THE WAY YOU DO

THE BUSH FAMILY IS THE ENEMY ? ....SCREW YOU


48 posted on 06/11/2012 3:07:14 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: Forty-Niner; JustSayNoToNannies

“Is that the theory you prefer? Not me! HW was too trusting of others, as I said “naivete.”

Forty-niner, you are the one excusing Bush’s mistakes due to his supposed “naivete” and said “HW’s biggest fault was in believing the Donks were patriots”.

So you think all of a sudden this war scenario emerges and Bush gets duped by the Euros and everybody, and they are therefore the ones responsible for the fiasco, and not Bush?

You think the leader of the free world, ex-Director of the CIA, eight years as VP under Reagan, son of a promonent U.S. Senator, WWII veteran, hard-nosed oilman whose real family business is politics can be excused because he is too “trusting of others” NAIVE??

No. Being a true believer in the Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, H.G. Wells, Progressive, United Nations theories of the New World Order only means you are a true believer in those things, same as the rest of them - and if belief in all that is naivete, then the world is run by naive people.

Of course you can make the case that all of the true believers are naive because they believe The New World Order can change man’s fundemental nature, or The New World Order can control mankind’s evil, selfish, warlike impulses, or that man can be made to be somehow different from what man has demonstrated he is throughout history, or the cycle of birth, life, and collapse and death that has happened to every civilization known to history can be averted by the policies of The New World Order.

But that does not make Bush less culpable or better than any other leader who leads his nation into disastrous misfortune by his misjudgements.


49 posted on 06/11/2012 3:09:01 PM PDT by ngat
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To: woofie

Its really pathetic when fools try to run cover for our enemies.

All masonic adepts are our enemies. All takers of the Luciferian blood oaths are our enemies.

I hope that doesn’t include you, but if it does, so be it.


50 posted on 06/11/2012 3:40:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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