Skip to comments.Coyote-human coexistence urged as animals migrate [to San Francisco's Golden Gate Park]
Posted on 06/02/2012 9:32:12 AM PDT by WilliamIII
The revelation, along with photographic proof, that at least three coyote puppies were recently born in Golden Gate Park raises some interesting questions about the future of the park - namely, how much time before roving packs of yipping wild predators drive humans and their decidedly un-wily pets out?
That, at least, is what the alarmists are asking, and the answer, according to the experts, is "never." The presence of coyotes in the city is good for the ecosystem, city officials and wildlife experts said, even if a few feral cats go missing.
"It is important that people recognize that coyotes are part of our ecosystem and that they have intrinsic value and ecological value," said Camilla Fox, the executive director of Project Coyote, a Larkspur nonprofit that consults with cities, ranchers and other groups on ways to live with coyotes without resorting to bullets, traps and poison.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
In San Francisco?
Hell, it's likely to be intermarrying before next year.
Hey! There’s a recession on! A poor coyote can’t even afford the proper Acme products he needs to hunt anymore. Have a heart.
The 'oh it's so cuuute!' factor will not change their nature one whit.
Everything is natural until one takes a chunk out of a hippy baby.
Golden Gate Park? I’m sure Star Fleet wouldn’t mind if Scottie did some target practice with the warbird’s disruptors...
In my earlier ‘live and let live’ days, I TRIED co-existence: with snails, with rats (as long as they stayed in the yard), with spiders.
No more! Nature does NOT share. The snails wanted everything. The raccoons ate ALL my corn. The rats came into the attic.
Now it’s Scorched Earth Policy here — Snarol, the Rat Guy and his poison, smashing spiders. ‘Getting along’ is just plain stupid.
Typical, coyotes get to buy things like dynamite, bombs, and rockets but your average white male goes to prison for the same.
They should reintroduce wolves into SF.
I just bought a live trap this morning to get rid of a coon that’s hanging around.
Hell, I say move the upcoming ‘Rat convention to Golden Gate Park, that’s a win-win for America.
Most of us here actually enjoy listening to them around the edges of town at night but as soon as they become a problem, we won’t hesitate to drive them deeper into the woods.
One of my neighbors who has horses bought a couple of llamas to keep the coyotes away.
There - fixed it.
Looks like some enterprising young non PC chef is going to quite well.
Read the article. The absolute cluelessness of these idiots is breathtaking.
Exactly. Shoot them along with feral animals.
That, at least, is what the alarmists are asking, and the answer, according to the experts, is "never."
Coyote attacks prompt action in Griffith Park
After two people are bitten in less than month, trappers are called in and kill seven of the animals.
LA Times, September 21, 2009
This is a national problem with predators. Wildlife agencies see their monopoly to manage them as a way to power.
Well you'd better be, for your dog's sake. The coyotes will send out a lure to get your dog to chase it... right back to the pack. They'll turn your dog, take out it's Achilles tendons and kill it.
This isn't for wimps. Kill them all.
Or a few children either???
YOU should be afraid. Let your Dobie finish off a coyote and YOU will be in a cage along with the dog. You better learn your place in the San Fran status ladder.
He probably could have leased them.
A couple of these would make short work of a coyote pack:
That depends upon a lot of things. Do they know how to kill? Do they know how to work together? What is the size of the coyote pack? How capable is the pack? Have they learned how to kill dogs? How many dog handlers would be willing to keep a pack of dogs like that after they have learned how to kill amid a random environment of small bratty kids? Do you want to own that liabilty in San Francisco?
Seriously. People under-estimate the learning capability of predators. It used to be that wildlife biologists were saying that wolves would never mess with bison. There's a park in Canada, where the wolves got tired of killing each other and figured out how to take down the bison. The bison are crashing and soon those wolves will be back to killing each other, just like they do in Denali National Park.
The problem is that ALL of these systems are missing their historic apex predator: HUMANS. They will never function properly again without active wildlife population management. The carrying capacity of the land will crash. Fires, weeds, and deserts is what you'll get. After all, "it's Natural." The City should hire some hunters to kill them all, and then go after them in MacLaren Park and Mt. San Bruno.
Cats go regularly missing in my neighborhood within the city limits of Portland.
I’ve seen coyotes in my back yard and one night they watched me and my standard poodle before apparently figuring we were too big to bother with. And I think my dog hears them at night because sometimes she’ll jump up in the middle of the night and go running downstairs - barking like crazy.
Sure didn’t have this growing up in L.A.
What breed of dog is that?
How about five of them? The coyotes we have in the east are actually hybrids with both wolf and dog in them. They are larger than western coyotes.
I see them frequently as I live way out in the woods but I never see one alone.
Are you in Idaho?
We were visiting my son there last summer, and as we drove up into the mountains north of Mountain Home we were startled to see a Llama on the grounds of a ranch.
Now I know why it was there.
According to Turkish shepherds, three Anatolian Shepherd Dogs are capable of overcoming a pack of wolves and injuring one or two of them. They were bred to leave the herd to go hunt for predators before the predators could attack the flock.
Anatolian Shepherd dogs are used by the Cheetah Conservation Fund. These dogs are bred and then given to the farmers to use in protecting and guarding their livestock from cheetah attacks.
So yeah, I doubt that a pack of yotes would be much of a bother for a couple of them.
Not at this moment.
Better teach your dobie better than that
that looks like it was a pretty healthy specimen
My comment was directed to a man with one Doberman. One Doberman and three coyotes = one dead Doberman and three well fed coyotes.
The rats were exactly what came to mind. I lived in an inner urban area for my first 36 years. The rats were as big as cats, and not in the least intimidated when I walked my dog at midnight. (They’d sit up on their haunches in the gutter at look at us. My dog was half German Shepherd, so she was a decent size.) There are times when coexistence doesn’t work.
Management of animals is best done by a man with a gun, not a predator with an appetite, no brain, and a propensity for killing frenzy behavior. Best if that man with a gun is not a gooberment trough feeder. Sell hunter permits for all populations needing “Direct Reduction”.
I take it you don't know much about shepherds. They know better than to employ a strictly defensive predator management strategy. You see, they either hunt, a lot because it takes a lot of hunting and trapping to keep wolf numbers down, or they hire a hunter to do it. It's been that way for thousands of years. The problem is that hunting alone rarely works completely. One can kill 50% of the wolves or coyotes annually and the numbers will remain static; a 70% take is necessary to bring the numbers down (that's according to the preeminent wolf biologist in North America, L. David Mech by the way).
The failure to grasp the numbers is why the Montana and Idaho "wildlife management officials" are still scratching their heads while the wolf numbers grow to proportions that have already been catastrophic to the elk herd. Either raiding dens or poison baits are the only things that truly work. The former is how the first humans on the continent killed off Canis dirus. The latter is how Americans purged the continent of wolves in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries.
There's a shepherd featured in the latest copy of Range Magazine page 38, Pete Arambel, who breeds livestock protection dogs. He uses a combination of breeds with different training and attributes to protect his flocks against increasing numbers of coyotes: border collies for the flock, Great Pyrenees, Kuvasz, Komondor, Maremma, Akbash, Anatolis, and Kangal to circle the flock and provide defense. He crosses them too.
Guess what? It's not enough. He's only barely making it. He's adding the Spanish mastiff. Now he not only faces coyotes, but wolves too, with the prospect of grizzlies to come.
If people allow this problem to go unchecked, the packs will grow and get bolder as they run out of food. I've heard of wolf packs in Russia of over 40 animals. Shepherd dogs would be no match for a coyote pack that big. Nor have you addressed the question of controlling the dogs doing that job in an urban park.
Tell you what: You get out there in a Golden Gate Park full of kids and pet dogs with your killer dog pack and I'll use 1080 baits and we'll see which one of us makes money. My bet is that you won't be able to afford the insurance to even start. Heck, I'll even lace my baits with Ecstasy to make the treatment palatable (it's the way to go!). There is simply no substitute for managing the wildlife. At least they make good fur coats.
Fools....just fools....the coyotes won’t just breed between themselves...they’ll breed with domestic dogs too!
The Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that Cleveland Metroparks officials have closed part of the North Chagrin Reservation after a pair of aggressive female coyotes bit a bicyclist and a pet dog over the weekend.
A Bath mans Pomeranian dog recently suffered a vicious attack by what appears to be a coyote. The dog survived deep lacerations and blood loss and is recuperating with about 100 stitches.
A coyote has attacked a 3-year-old girl playing in her backyard in suburban New York, the second coyote attack on a child in the same suburb within four days.
A mothers day in the park with her 7-year-old turned into a nightmare when she and her son were stalked by a pair of coyotes at Edison Woods MetroPark.
When three deputies arrived, the coyotes acted aggressive and charged at them, prompting the deputies to shoot, Capt. Paul Sigsworth said.
Aside from the guarantee of libtard hilarity. I actually find coyotes to be better neighbors than liberals. First, I don’t raise sheep, that would be a deal breaker. However, they keep the vermin population in check. Their howls are preferable to rap music. They quickly leave if you shoot a couple of them. They don’t borrow your stuff or drink your beer. Yep, coyotes are definitely better.
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