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Southern Baptists reprimand top official over Trayvon Martin remarks (Richard Land-loses radio show)
CNN ^ | June 1, 2012 | Dan Gilgoff

Posted on 06/01/2012 12:50:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The country’s largest evangelical Christian denomination on Friday announced it is reprimanding one of its top officials over comments he made regarding the Trayvon Martin case, pledging to cancel the official’s national radio show.

The trustee committee of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission announced two reprimands on Friday for Richard Land, who leads public policy efforts for the Southern Baptists, according to the official press arm.

The first reprimand was for remarks Land - one of the country's most powerful evangelical leaders - made about the Martin case. The second was because Land lifted some remarks from another source on his radio show without using attribution.

The commission will move to terminate Land’s radio program, “Richard Land Live!” because of the controversy, the Baptist Press reported.

In March, Land spoke of African-American activists and the Rev. Al Sharpton as “racial ambulance chasers” in the Martin case, in which the 17-year-old was shot to death in Florida by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman.

“When there is violence it’s going to be Jesse Jackson’s fault,” Land said on his show, according to the Religion News Service. “It’s going to be Al Sharpton’s fault. It’s going to be Louis Farrakhan’s fault, and to a certain degree it’s going to be President Obama’s fault.”

On Friday, the trustee executive committee said in a statement that Land’s comments were “very hurtful and offensive to the Trayvon Martin family and too many in the African-American community...

(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...


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To: John D

I’m Southern Baptist, & the national leadership has been trending liberal for a long time (ever read the Baptist Standard? horrifying!), but the way our church works is each local congregation is fairly independent. The ones I have involvement with in Houston are conservative.

Alcohol - I know only a handfull of Southern Baptists who do not drink alcohol at all, but all agree it is a sin to get drunk.

Smoking - frowned upon by all Southern Baptists I know.

Dancing - the churches I am involved with have dances, sometimes even on church property.

Interrupting the sermon with an amen - this is appreciated by the pastors & teachers, trust me. It’s part of our tradition.

Handling the truth - God’s Word is the truth, & the Southern Baptist preachers & teachers I know handle it rightly.

Forcing our ideals on everyone else - if by that you mean voting for conservatives who will hopefully enact conservative policies, then yes we sure do. I don’t know any Southern Baptists who advocate for the return of Prohibition, in fact I know a few Libertarian ones who would like us to legalize some drugs that are currently illegal.

Hypocrisy - every time I do not live up to the high ideals set by the example of Jesus Christ, I am being a hypocrite, so that would be every minute of every day.

Perhaps because he is from my denomination, I notice Land on some of the Sunday morning political shows every now & then, & I think he often does a decent job articulating conservative beliefs.


61 posted on 06/01/2012 6:41:00 PM PDT by TropicanaRose
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To: Mr Rogers

You do understand that that was written for him, don’t you?


62 posted on 06/01/2012 6:58:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: DariusBane
“End times?
Men have always been fools.
The world has always been dangerous, corrupt, violent, diseased. Nothing new under the sun.”

Very true, and point well taken.

However, it's alarming to me how many people who most definetly know better, and especially people of faith, fall victim to and embrace political correctness.

I do not believe that anyone who has the Holy Ghost can stray that far from the truth. Fascism and lies are anathema to Christianity. So is a keen sense of justice and fairness.

It just makes me wonder.

64 posted on 06/01/2012 7:23:37 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Forget the GOP and build the Constitution Party, because the status quo is no longer the way to go.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe. Maybe not. But he agreed to its release...


65 posted on 06/01/2012 7:30:08 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Black SBC head named to be all cozy

what did they expect

silly crackers are so nauseating


66 posted on 06/01/2012 8:37:55 PM PDT by wardaddy (the GOP are cowards)
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To: F15Eagle; John D

I think I understand now, Mormons good, the Christians/Southern Baptists most likely to stand up to them, evil. John D has a lot of posts along these lines.

EACH QUOTE IS FROM A DIFFERENT POST, AND THERE ARE MANY MORE.

“Attending church does not mean you are a practicing Mormon. There are many Baptists down here in GA who attend church but they do not follow all their rules. Way too many liquor stores that are doing well not to have any of those Baptists frequenting them.”

“The Mitt haters hate him because he is Mormon. They know nothing about Mormons or their religion. They are just so ignorant that they have to depend on their Baptist preachers to tell them who to vote for, or in this case who to oppose.”

“That and the bible thumpers also do not understand what it means to be a Mormon. They believe if you ain’t Baptist you ain’t Christian.”

“Be careful, these Mitt haters do not want to see facts. They know he is a Mormon, and their preachers have told them that is all they need to know.”

“MOST Romney haters are one issue voters, anti-abortion. They are not concerned about national security or the economy. Mitt has done very well in private life, and he saved the Olympics. He may not be as anti-abortion as the bible thumpers would like but he would be a very good choice.”

“Understanding what the Bible says is very subjective. One person may take what it says completely different from another. My problem with many of the bible thumping Baptists is that they only see one way of interpreting it and if you do not see it the way they do you ain’t a Christian.”

“We may have many bigoted bible thumpers down here but we have many intelligent pro Americans also. Romney is the best choice for McCain.”

“Picking Romney will help in ALL parts of America. The only areas where it will hurt are in the bible thumping bigoted areas, and they will go McCain anyway.”

“I am sure the millions of conservatives he attracts will far out weigh the few bigoted bible thumpers who feel like you.”

“Mitt would be his best choice. He is about the only reason I could EVER vote for McCain.”

“There is a difference between dingy harry and Mitt. Mitt is a practicing Mormon. The type who have very high morals, and the dingy harry type who do not practice and have no morals.”

“If they were mooslime the CPS would have overlooked the whole thing. CPS is going after them because they are Mormon.”


67 posted on 06/01/2012 8:38:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's starting to look like the fix is in. The judge who revoked Zimmerman's bail may have been responding to demands from Crump.

Ted Baxter has been pro-Crump and pro-Trayvon's parents all along and has always garbled the known facts in the case. Sean Hannity at first was interviewing on his TV show some friends of Zimmerman who were giving the other side, but he seems to have shut up or lost interest. Maybe Greta is still willing to be even-handed. Tonight it seemed that all she wanted to cover was the Wisconsin vote (she is from Wisconsin)--I didn't watch it all so I don't know if she spent any time on today's developments.

68 posted on 06/01/2012 9:27:42 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ansel12; F15Eagle; dixiechick2000; TropicanaRose; Black Agnes; WKB
That goofball poster also stated this week that Mark Furman planted the OJ glove.

I think says all you need to know...on that freeper

A 1998 class.....hard to figure......but just gleaned that straight away

SBC here too.......but not chauvinistic about it really....a few other Prod sects i like.....PCA.....SOUTHERN COC.....MOSYNOD.....SM.....ASSEMBLY OF GOD.....PRIMITIVE BAPTIST

i am a bad man but i attend a fine conservative praise oriented SBC church headed by a culture warrior pastor who preaches soul nourishment and takes the battle to progressives unflinchingly

Using the hypocrisy angle is the oldest tool in the book to attack scripture based literal protestant faiths....as though imperfection of the congregation disproves the word of God....there is a lost irony there

70 posted on 06/02/2012 1:20:08 AM PDT by wardaddy (the GOP are cowards)
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To: ansel12
I can’t help but wonder why that church?

Not the church, just the hypocrisy, and the church trying to dictate the behaviors of people of other faiths.
71 posted on 06/02/2012 11:24:28 AM PDT by John D
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To: ansel12

IS there anything to disagree with in any of those posts?


72 posted on 06/02/2012 11:34:52 AM PDT by John D
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To: John D

As post 67 proves, you are a Mormon and a romneybot warring against conservative Christians and Christianity.

The entire left, the media, and the Mormon cult all see Southern Baptists as their mortal enemy.


73 posted on 06/02/2012 11:39:47 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
As post 67 proves, you are a Mormon

Wrong, as I have posted several times I am Lutheran.

and a romneybot

Wrong again. I have stated many times I supported Cain, then Newt, and then anybody but Cut and Run Paul.

The entire left, the media, and the Mormon cult all see Southern Baptists as their mortal enemy.


I think you have gotten that backward. It is the entire left, the media, and Baptists that see Mormons as their mortal enemy.

I have lived in both Mormon strongholds (Scottsdale, AZ) and Baptist strongholds (GA). Both religions are anti-alcohol. The difference is Mormons are not afraid of it, and live by what they profess. They do not drink, they do tithe, they do take care of others who are less fortunate. Most Baptists on the other hand are afraid alcohol will destroy their church, and do not live by what they preach.

I am not anti-Baptist, I was married in a Baptist church, I married a Baptist, an ex Baptist now, but a Baptist at the time. Most of my friends are Baptists. I just do not agree with the hypocrisy. Before they condemn Mormons they should take a good look at themselves.
74 posted on 06/02/2012 12:50:11 PM PDT by John D
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To: John D

Too bad your hypocritical Lutheran church declares that Mormons are not Christians, I wonder if you know that?

I wonder why you spend so much time posting as an anti-Christian Mormon and so little as a pro-Christian “Lutheran”?

The fact that you would claim not to be anti-Baptist on this thread shows your mental state.

The fact that you claim to be some last minute Romney supporter shows the level of your honesty.

“”To: Sir Francis Dashwood
McCain wants more amnesty for illegals, Julie-Annie wants to give them welfare and Hickabee wants to give both.

And Paul wants to give the country to the terrorists.

Romney is the ONLY option.
14 posted on Sat Jan 26 2008 08:55:13 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) by John D””


75 posted on 06/02/2012 1:31:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
Too bad your hypocritical Lutheran church declares that Mormons are not Christians, I wonder if you know that?

I know that, but I also do not agree with everything the Lutheran church says. Just like I do not agree with every Republican platform. I just agree with more of them than any other.
I believe in a persons deeds. I also believe the supreme being is looking at the same thing.

I wonder why you spend so much time posting as an anti-Christian Mormon

Even if you do not believe Mormons are not theoretically Christian, I see it hard to say they are anti-Christian. It is the Baptists who attack Mormons, not the other way around.

The fact that you would claim not to be anti-Baptist on this thread shows your mental state

As I have stated many times, I am not anti-Baptist, just against hypocrisy. If you feel I am anti-Baptist it must be because you also realize how hypocritical they are.

“”To: Sir Francis Dashwood McCain wants more amnesty for illegals, Julie-Annie wants to give them welfare and Hickabee wants to give both. And Paul wants to give the country to the terrorists. Romney is the ONLY option. 14 posted on Sat Jan 26 2008 08:55:13 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) by John D””


By that time in the race, like now, Romney was and is the best choice left. Do you disagree with anything I said at that time? Who was better at that time? We got McCain and look what that got us.
76 posted on 06/02/2012 2:04:00 PM PDT by John D
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To: John D

Yeah, you are Mormon, even going against the Lutheran church to defend and disguise Mormonism, and calling Christian churches anti-Christian for recognizing that Mormonism is not Christian.

The Mormon cult was founded to be an anti-Christian religion, Mormonism is anti-Christian, Baptists and Lutherans are dedicated Christians.

You were backing Bishop Romney in 2008, and you support him today.


77 posted on 06/02/2012 2:18:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
Yeah, you are Mormon, even going against the Lutheran church to defend and disguise Mormonism, and calling Christian churches anti-Christian for recognizing that Mormonism is not Christian.

When did I EVER call the Lutheran church anti-Christian? I think you are losing it. Your hatred of the Mormon religion is driving you crazy. Calm down and take a chill pill. I am not Mormon, I do not have the dedication to their religion or their dedication to the betterment of mankind that they do. I wish I did but I do not.

You were backing Bishop Romney in 2008, and you support him today.


At that point in time as now, he is the best we have left. Who right now, that has a chance is better?
78 posted on 06/02/2012 2:30:40 PM PDT by John D
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To: John D
Even if you do not believe Mormons are not theoretically Christian, I see it hard to say they are anti-Christian.

Lutherans attack Mormons as not being Christian, and Mormons attack all Christian churches, it is why the cult was created.

Next to the sex and money aspects of Mormonism, it was founded to destroy and replace Christianity in America, the Lutheran church included.

You go against the Lutheran/Southern Baptist Christians and choose to defend Mormonism over Christianity.

You have supported Romney in every election cycle, both 2008 and 2012.

Romney even replaced Giuliani for you.

79 posted on 06/02/2012 2:50:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
Mormons attack all Christian churches, it is why the cult was created.

Where and when have Mormons ever attacked any Christian Church? It is the Baptists who are constantly attacking Mormons. They fear them because Mormons stand up for what they believe and are not hypocrites. They say they are against the use of alcohol and they actually do refrain from the use, unlike Baptists. They actually tithe. They go on missions where they save their own money to be used on their missions and help people in need.

You go against the Lutheran/Southern Baptist Christians and choose to defend Mormonism over Christianity.


I do not agree that Mormons are not Christians. I believe that if a person believes in Christ they are a Christian. Mormons do more to help others than any other religion I know of. What does the Baptist church do. Preach fire and brimestone and to fear God. I believe it is better to love and do his deeds than to fear him. I would much rather have my children love me and do what is good than to fear me.

You have supported Romney in every election cycle, both 2008 and 2012. Romney even replaced Giuliani for you.

Yes when he was the best candidate left. Who would you have chosen? The crazy, hot tempered, ineffective McCain, the pardon wielding Huckster, or the anti-American blame America first terrorist loving Paul? Who was the best candidate then? Who is the best now? I wish we still had Cain or Newt, but we do not so we have to support the best candidate left.
80 posted on 06/02/2012 3:40:05 PM PDT by John D
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