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New Yorkers Leave Like East Germans Fled Communism
IBD Editorials ^ | May 30, 2012 | Editor

Posted on 05/30/2012 6:25:45 PM PDT by Kaslin

Big Government: New York thinks of itself as the place to be, but its high taxes have made it a place to flee. Those who have escaped the Empire State tax man could fill a major city.

From 1949 to 1961, more than 2.6 million of East Germany's 17 million population escaped to West Berlin or West Germany, a hemorrhage of humanity that led the Communists to construct the infamous Berlin Wall in 1961.

The state of New York, with about 19.5 million people, has no known plans to erect concrete barriers or barbed wire fences. But from 2000 to 2010 it suffered an exodus of some 3.4 million New Yorkers — nearly a million more people than in Germany's post-war experience and more than that of any other state.

And the outflow hasn't stopped. The income loss for the state is $45.6 billion, the Tax Foundation says.

Granted, it's not just one-way traffic. New York has plenty of immigration from abroad; its more than 4 million foreign-born residents give it the second-biggest immigrant population in America.

So net outward migration is about 1.3 million.

Most New York refugees are in sunny, zero-income-tax Florida. The Sunshine State, along with its rays, offer big relief from New York's state tax on income, which starts at almost 6.5% and reaches nearly 9% for the overly successful.

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1 posted on 05/30/2012 6:25:48 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

They’re fleeing to Florida, but most will vote for Leftist and thereby eventually turn Florida into what they left. These people are not refugees.........they are Locust People.


2 posted on 05/30/2012 6:37:21 PM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: Kaslin
Voting with their feet is why the Berlin wall was built.

And now another oppressive regime that does not respect Capital is watching Capital leave.

Capitalism does not work without Capital.

3 posted on 05/30/2012 6:38:15 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Very cynical to call them locust people. Rush Limbaugh is in their flock. I hope you’re wrong. Its the low income immigrants that will bust the NY budget.


4 posted on 05/30/2012 6:44:17 PM PDT by Broker (Matthew 5:11)
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To: Broker
Its the low income immigrants that will bust the NY budget.

No. It's the onerous taxes that will bust NY.

5 posted on 05/30/2012 6:49:56 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Kaslin
Can we perhaps build a wall around Noo Yoke?


6 posted on 05/30/2012 6:52:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Kaslin
...relief from New York's state tax on income, which starts at almost 6.5% and reaches nearly 9% for the overly successful.

C'mon, IBD...the "overly successful." I sure hope that was tongue in cheek. I'd expect to hear that from Obama, not IBD.

7 posted on 05/30/2012 7:03:59 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Kaslin

8 posted on 05/30/2012 7:07:29 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ladyjane

Yes tax and spend kills. These migration stats accelerate the process.


9 posted on 05/30/2012 7:07:58 PM PDT by Broker (Matthew 5:11)
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To: ladyjane

Broker: Its the low income immigrants that will bust the NY budget.

ladyjane: No. It’s the onerous taxes that will bust NY.

upchuck: No, you’re both right.


10 posted on 05/30/2012 7:09:08 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: Kaslin

California is trying to catch up.

The problem is they will still vote leftist


11 posted on 05/30/2012 7:16:33 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: JohnKinAK
They eventually come around and either leave, or learn how to behave.

The heat alone takes most of the starch out of them.
One or two hurricanes takes the rest out of all but the most stubbornly stupid.
They do have their little enclaves, but dare not travel far from them.

And our Florida nutjobs are generally more sociable and tolerated than NY nutjobs, bless their hearts.
The rednecks keep them under controll, while the churches keep them fed and clothed.

(Except in the enclaves)

12 posted on 05/30/2012 7:21:26 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: Kaslin

I left in 92
Next to DC, NYC is the biggest cancer on the American Republic.


13 posted on 05/30/2012 7:22:07 PM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: ladyjane

Broker: Its the low income immigrants that will bust the NY budget.

ladyjane: No. It’s the onerous taxes that will bust NY.

upchuck: No, you’re both right.


14 posted on 05/30/2012 7:27:46 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: Kaslin

I live in NYC and wish I left ears ago. Unless you make millions a year life is very hard here.


15 posted on 05/30/2012 7:29:09 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Kaslin
No problem. Mayor Bloomberg will announce that moving is prohibited.
16 posted on 05/30/2012 7:46:30 PM PDT by Nachoman (I HOPE we CHANGE presidents.)
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To: Kaslin

I was born and raised in the Tri-Lakes area of the Adirondacks. It is, with the possible exception of Alaska, the most beautiful place on God’s earth.

Er...was.

The liberals and their enviro/taxation policies turned it into Detroit with trees, employment-wise. And the Sierra Club types are quickly making Agenda 21 the law of the Blue Line. I miss it dearly from here in AZ, but I’d not even go back to visit. It was bad when I left in 95. I hear it’s far worse today.

Read up on ‘Whitney Park” to see what Sierra did to a once thriving timber harvesting area. Guess who got the ‘Castle’ for private use?


17 posted on 05/30/2012 7:53:54 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Kaslin

“New York has plenty of immigration from abroad; its more than 4 million foreign-born residents give it the second-biggest immigrant population in America.”

Wonder what sort of contribution they’re making to the tax base...


18 posted on 05/30/2012 8:10:25 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Kaslin

They’re all migrating to low-tax conservative states where they will vote to raise taxes and fund more government.


19 posted on 05/30/2012 8:12:50 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: OrangeHoof

New Hampshire is suffering from just that problem.


20 posted on 05/30/2012 8:16:45 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: ladyjane

You’ve got the tense wrong.

There’s no “will” about it.

The NY budget is already beyond repair no matter how “fair” the taxes become.


21 posted on 05/30/2012 8:18:56 PM PDT by O6ret
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To: Broker

The locust are what caused the problem in ny in the first place and now that they cant afford ny they have moved to the south.They are still dumbasses.Its not being cynical, its the truth.


22 posted on 05/30/2012 8:57:59 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: mylife
Sssss-Snake!
23 posted on 05/30/2012 10:22:55 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Kaslin

If only they would leave their NYC group-think and attitude behind.


24 posted on 05/30/2012 10:25:16 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Ciexyz

It’s a classic, because I say it is!


25 posted on 05/30/2012 10:25:25 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: skr

But bring the Pizza.


26 posted on 05/30/2012 10:27:02 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All
The biggest cancer is the lack of understanding of how our 1st and 2nd Amendments were to be exercised.

We are naked in front of the enemy by choice. We allow them to disarm and humiliate us with taxes and words.

27 posted on 05/30/2012 11:17:19 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: GeronL

Unfortunately California is ahead.

The current California top rate is 9.3% @ about $100k and they are trying to raise it come November.


28 posted on 05/31/2012 12:12:31 AM PDT by DB
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To: Kaslin; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; Clintonfatigued; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker

The problem with people fleeing Cali and NY, THEY TAKE THEIR DEMOCRAT VOTING PATTERNS WITH THEM. And they are too stupid to realize that’s what made their homes lousy places to live in the first place. Not everyone fleeing is a liberal of course but too many are. You broke it you own libs, stay there and die there.


29 posted on 05/31/2012 12:48:19 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Nachoman

“Mayor Bloomberg will announce that moving is prohibited.”

No joke... that’s something that may be a real possibility. California is losing businesses as well. I don’t know how they would legally justify it, but they might move to keep people from leaving.

Freepers in New York and California — you need to pay attention to this.


30 posted on 05/31/2012 1:36:15 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; Clintonfatigued; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
“You broke it you own libs, stay there and die there.”

The pattern of libs sh*tting up where they originate from and moving onto another place to sh*t up reminds me of illegal aliens...

31 posted on 05/31/2012 7:13:10 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (We may die, but DISCO LIVES FOREVER!!!)
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To: GOPsterinMA; Impy; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker

” The pattern of libs sh*tting up where they originate from and moving onto another place to sh*t up reminds me of illegal aliens... :

Look at California too. They wreck it, and move to Oregon, or Arizona.


32 posted on 05/31/2012 7:19:28 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Impy; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; sickoflibs

“Look at California too. They wreck it, and move to Oregon, or Arizona.”

Exactly!!!


33 posted on 05/31/2012 7:25:34 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (We may die, but DISCO LIVES FOREVER!!!)
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To: GOPsterinMA

That’s what they call “californication”.


34 posted on 05/31/2012 9:43:00 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: thulldud

Ah, yes!!! TY!!!


35 posted on 05/31/2012 9:50:12 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (We may die, but DISCO LIVES FOREVER!!!)
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To: GeronL
The problem is they will still vote leftist.

It is an interesting dilemma. The ones that stay are not capitalists, they are the ones living on the teat. So they will accelerate the move to government welfare. The ones that leave, leave with their capitol, and I suspect tend to vote more and more conservative these days. The ponzi scheme of shifting the Republic to a Democracy is beginning to show some serious cracks in the foundation.

36 posted on 05/31/2012 2:15:50 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

You can see it happening all over the world.


37 posted on 05/31/2012 2:28:22 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Rome2000

Well Detroit and Calipornia are putting up good competition for 3rd place.


38 posted on 05/31/2012 2:30:04 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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