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Mother's anger after daughter is handed joke award...
Daily Mail ^ | May 28, 2012 | Phil Vinter

Posted on 05/28/2012 12:21:40 PM PDT by Malacoda

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To: Malacoda

This teacher graduated from the John Steward school of “humor.” This is called mean teasing and it is bullying.

If the child that young is failing to get homework assignments in, a professional teacher with a brain would inform the kid that there is a problem and try to find out what is going on under the excuses. Sometimes it is a chaotic home life and sometimes it is skills in organization that are the problem. It could be just laziness and resistence.

A professional teacher would try to find out the problem and help the kid resolve it. Teachers do not ridicule other people’s children (nor sexualize them) unless they are teaching a bully’s art of riducle to the children (or sexually grooming them for adult sexual activity).


61 posted on 05/28/2012 3:27:54 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Uncle Slayton

Not doing homework was a punishable offense in my home if the school reported it to the folks. There were no excuses and we were never asked if we had homework when we came home. It was expected of us to do the homework assigned.

The punishment was more then verbal and no one ever heard of grounding back then.


62 posted on 05/28/2012 3:29:41 PM PDT by galloway15
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To: SaraJohnson
Sometimes it is a chaotic home life and sometimes it is skills in organization that are the problem. It could be just laziness and resistence.

Consider the home life of a child. A child whose home life is abusive and chaotic would rather spend make-up time after school with a supportive teacher, going over the homework assignment, than trying to complete the assignment at home.

63 posted on 05/28/2012 3:32:15 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Ditter

My grandmother attended a one room school back in the early 1900s. She was up at the board, when the teacher’s boyfriend showed up. He broke up with her. Then the now angry teacher resumed teaching, and my very sensitive grandmother was asked a question. She could not respond as the class had heard the angry exchange. The teacher launched into her and then berated her as dumb.

From then on when a child failed to answer correctly, the teacher would ask, “Are dumb like Ethel?” My grandmother grew feeling awful about herself and felt she must dumb. (Since it was a one room class, this went on for years.)

She became a strong Christian and said the hardest thing she ever did was to forgive her teacher.


64 posted on 05/28/2012 3:39:52 PM PDT by kactus
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To: 2harddrive
You opine: But, the parent looks like just another unwed mother. *sigh* Will they never learn?

Good Grief...That seems a bit of a stretch - besides being totally unfounded and off topic.

One could wonder how and why such a knee-jerk judgment...

Yes, she looks young, but I was still being carded at age 37, had a son in the Marines and when together, some people judged me to be a cradle robber, what they'd call a 'cougar' nowadays. They sneered at my claim to be his mother. Bethcha you'd be a 'sneerer'.


65 posted on 05/28/2012 3:46:07 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: thecodont

Parents, especially who were educated in third world countries where education is not seen as important, have to learn about the process and expectation of education in this country. You don’t coach them via ridicule and disrespect.

Then there are parents that are truly stupid and/or insane and that is hopeless for the child. The same goes for teachers and public schools. Sometimes the “professionals” are stupid and mean. Sometimes the whole school is twisted.


66 posted on 05/28/2012 3:51:52 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Malacoda

Things have changed. When I blew off homework in the third grade my teacher marched me to the principle’s office (after two previous warnings) where the principle explained that my chronic offenses would no longer be tolerated, laid some serious wood across my rear end, then as was custom shook my hand and encouraged me to mend my underachieving ways.


67 posted on 05/28/2012 3:52:43 PM PDT by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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To: dfwgator
I agree with you on public shaming. There used to be a time when acting up in class received scorn, not just from the teacher but from classmates as well. Nowadays, when a kid acts up in class, the teachers are powerless to do anything about it (except maybe request a teacher/parent conference) and the kid acting up is considered "cool" by his classmates.

This lack of shaming carries into adult life as well. Used to be a time when being on welfare was considered shameful and something to get off of as quick as possible so that your family and neighbors hopefully didn't find out about it. Nowadays, they have done away with food stamps and hand out shiny new "ATM" type cards and recipients of those are pleased as punch to present them at the supermarket to get their snack foods and frozen TV dinners.

When I was going to school, they had already done away with dunce caps (see below) but the teachers still had the ability to humiliate underperforming students. One teacher from those days had a circle drawn on the floor in chalk in the front of the classroom near his desk. Any student misbehaving or otherwise in need of some "motivation" had his/her desk moved into that "circle of shame". And there you stayed until another student misbehaved and took your place. I had my desk moved there once for daydreaming in class and not realizing the teacher had called upon me to answer a question during a lecture. I made sure it was the one and only time I ever had to sit in that circle, isolated from the rest of the classroom. Not many other students in the class were up there more than once either. By the end of that school year, this teacher had one of the most attentive and well-behaved classes in the school.


68 posted on 05/28/2012 3:54:23 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SaraJohnson
How do you know the teacher didn't contact the parents?

I have some students that I have contacted once every two weeks, sent home progress reports every three weeks and report cards on the 6 weeks.

I have requested signatures on progress reports on and report cards.

All to no avail. And this is for a dual enrollment college level course.

69 posted on 05/28/2012 3:54:45 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: verga

Because the mother said she was not informed of a problem. Given the teacher is an unprofessional cow who thinks bullying other people’s children is funny, I beleive the mom.


70 posted on 05/28/2012 4:00:00 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TexasFreeper2009; driftdiver
It's all about establishing expectations, boundries, and consequences early on, in age appropriate terms, and handling subsequent achievements AND FAILURES of them with matching, pre-established, professional, dignified and specific measures...all while keeping any infractions of ACHIEVEMENT and classroom BEHAVIOR separate.

It really is just that simple a task for any half-witted *adult.*

Kids do best with established, clear-cut boundaries and consequences. And kids fall through the cracks when teachers AND PARENTS fail to guide them properly through the (complex for a child) course of it all.

As parents and teachers, a simple, prescribed and successful formula helps nip problems IN THE BUD. It also helps classrooms run more orderly, efficently, positively, and productively.

And if either one of those two authority/nurturing *charges* (teacher and parent) are ill-equiped to handle any of it--age-appropriately--you end up with screwed-up or beaten-down kids-to-adults...every time.

And just for the record, I abhore "helicopter" parenting. It's self-puffery, a crutch, and an abdication of the parental side of the education (and socialization process) of a child.

Running interference for your child is more about the parent's self-satistying social and intellectual short-comings and appearances--living them vicariously through their child--NOT about the good of the child for the *child's* sake.

As a hovercraft parent, you're setting your child up for certain failure in SO many realms of the real world...and in my book it all falls squarely under "first do no harm."

This Tucson teacher would be reminded to hold up *her* end of the contract as a professional educator in the *elementary* schooling process and to...

first do no harm.

71 posted on 05/28/2012 4:11:32 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: Malacoda

Let’s be honest. It’s the so called baby mamma that’s the joke here. More great parenting by a dufuss who can’t/won’t teach her child responsibility. After all, isn’t it up to the government to make her kid feel good?


72 posted on 05/28/2012 4:17:33 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Malacoda
My 3 homeschoolers rarely spent more than 2 hours in formal ( at the kitchen table) schooling. In the early grades it was a half hour to one hour. What are they doing in 6 or more hours that any that any 3rd grader would need to do homework? Why can't this be done in school so that after school the child can be completely free to **play** and do that all important “socialization” that defenders of compulsory schooling are always fretting over?

As for my own school experience, corporal and emotional punishment were common. Although I was a very compliant child and good student, I was **terrified** that the nun or teacher's anger would be directed at me. I dreaded going to school. Not only is emotional or physical abuse damaging to child who is the direct path of the teacher's anger or frustration, but the children witnessing it are brutalized emotionally as well.

My 8th grade nun had a “stupid aisle”. All the quizzes for the week were tallied and those with the very lowest scores were sentenced to the stupid aisle for the following week. No matter how well the class did, as a whole, those scoring the lowest got the stupid aisle. We had good kids in class and it was a struggle for the nun to actually get failures. She did manage, though. One way was to give a spelling test and then demand that the words also be punctuated with the accent on the correct syllable. A correct history test answer was not sufficient. The student had to write **exactly** word for word what was written in the textbook. I dreaded Mondays.

Those people, regardless of who they are,who physically, sexually, or emotionally brutalize children will answer to God. It will have been better for them if a mill stone had been tied to their necks and that they had been thrown into to the depths of the sea.

73 posted on 05/28/2012 4:22:46 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“I don’t think dfwgator is advocating putting students in public stocks and having other students throw vegetables at them.”

Why not? It was good enough in MY day!

And we LIKED it!


74 posted on 05/28/2012 4:30:49 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Miss Behave

Misspelled efficiently.


75 posted on 05/28/2012 4:32:41 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: driftdiver
So you enjoy beating up on 3rd graders?

Bad habits are easier to fix in 3rd graders than if you let it go till high school.

76 posted on 05/28/2012 4:35:11 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Yeah if you don’t fix it when they are young then they’ll be beating up on 3rd graders when they get older.


77 posted on 05/28/2012 4:38:17 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
If our Founding Fathers could see how we treat children in Prussian-model schools ( private, government, or charter) they would be horrified. Nearly all of our human ancestors would be appalled!

When our Founding Fathers advocated education for our nation's children, they likely had their own educations in mind: homeschooling, private tutoring, a very few years of one room schooling organized by local parents, Sunday schools, dame schools, apprenticeships, and private home-based academies to prepare the brightest ( who could afford it) for entrance into college as very **young** teens. And...All of it was likely faith based. I wonder if the word “secular” even existed in 18th century and, if it did, “secular education” would have struck our Founding Fathers as an oxymoron.

If government had never interfered with the free market in education I wonder what varied opportunities would now be available today to our nation's children, and , if by now, the free market would have weeded out the worst practices and rewarded the most effective.

78 posted on 05/28/2012 4:40:07 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: verga

I have requested signatures on progress reports on and report cards.

All to no avail. And this is for a dual enrollment college level course.


Yeah, we had a hard time with this kind of process in our family when my sons were in high school. We were all busy. I gave them permission to sign my name in certain routines. They were good students and I trusted them to give me a head up if they were floundering and needed help.

If they screwed up, varsity sports had to go. :)


79 posted on 05/28/2012 4:41:30 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Uncle Slayton
An award for “Incompetent Parenting” should have been given to mom.

That's a good idea but it could get very expensive if taken nationwide.

Lazy parents today have all the convenient excuses they could ever need custom-made for them by fund-lusting government agencies and advocacy groups - - your kid has: "ADD", "ADHD", "autism", etc., etc., etc. Just pump him/her full of Ritalin and your energetic little dumpling will be the perfect classroom zombie. No need for the troublesome hassle of discipline.

Pray for Ammerica.

80 posted on 05/28/2012 4:44:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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