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Army reviews whether women can go to Ranger school
Associated Press ^ | May 16, 2012 | LOLITA C. BALDOR

Posted on 05/16/2012 11:04:05 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. Army leaders have begun to study the prospect of sending women soldiers to the service's prestigious Ranger school - another step in the effort to broaden opportunities for women in the military.

Gen. Raymond Odierno, Army chief of staff, says he's asked senior commanders to provide him with recommendations and a plan this summer.

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1 posted on 05/16/2012 11:04:06 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Dumbest idea yet!


2 posted on 05/16/2012 11:06:50 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Dumbest idea would be to send to fags there.


3 posted on 05/16/2012 11:07:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Lax requirements there, too?


4 posted on 05/16/2012 11:07:38 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

WTF. RLTW.


5 posted on 05/16/2012 11:08:59 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: dfwgator
Who says they aren't sine DADT was canceled.
6 posted on 05/16/2012 11:09:57 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Don’t be in a hurry to create another Kara Hultgreen.


7 posted on 05/16/2012 11:11:29 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Rangerettes! Don’t think so.


8 posted on 05/16/2012 11:12:53 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I would be fine with that, provided women recruits were held to the EXACT SAME standards as the men, and the standards were not lowered to get some acceptable number of women through.


9 posted on 05/16/2012 11:14:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can’t be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“Gen. Raymond Odierno, Army chief of staff, says he’s asked senior commanders to provide him with recommendations and a plan this summer.”

Gee, recommendations and a plan...sounds like they’re not trying to determine WHETHER women ought to be allowed to go, but HOW they’re going to modify the program so women can artificially pass.

Sounds, in fact, a lot like the DADT repeal “survey” we had to take a couple of years ago...

Colonel, USAFR


10 posted on 05/16/2012 11:14:34 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: PapaBear3625

See my #10 - great minds, my FRiend!


11 posted on 05/16/2012 11:15:25 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: jimfree

Who was that woman and what happened?


12 posted on 05/16/2012 11:18:15 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Rangeretts!

Already been done.

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13 posted on 05/16/2012 11:20:25 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: jagusafr

Bank on that. This is a done deal and they are just working out the details. Does anyone - ANYONE - believe they will recommend against this?

Oh, and by the way, anybody else see how this dovetails with Obama’s campaign theme of the war on women? Do you think Obama just might be setting up Conservatives to oppose this? Naah...


14 posted on 05/16/2012 11:20:33 AM PDT by Obadiah (2008: Hope & Change -- 2012: Fear & Retribution)
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To: jimfree; All

Fully expect that if this comes to pass. Several new candidates will fall victim to ‘accidents’ during training. Regardless of which DACOWITS committee member is shepherding them.

Which is what training is for.

Better there than on the battlefield.


15 posted on 05/16/2012 11:21:54 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Resident FReeper Kitty Poem /Haiku Guy)
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To: wastedyears

An incompetant BITCH who crashed her F-14 into USS Abraham Linciln (CVN-72) and killed herself and her RIO and “crashed” the careers of some FINE Naval Officers/Aviators(Blowback from Tailhook ‘91).


16 posted on 05/16/2012 11:23:00 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: jimfree

“An incompetant BITCH who crashed her F-14 into USS Abraham Linciln (CVN-72) and killed herself and her RIO and “crashed” the careers of some FINE Naval Officers/Aviators(Blowback from Tailhook ‘91).” Did I mess anything?


17 posted on 05/16/2012 11:24:02 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’ve got a buddy who is a long time instructor at the local police academy. He has always been in charge of administering the the fitness tests to potential recruits. We were discussing the fitness tests applicants have to go through (ie. x amount of push-up in 60 seconds, etc, etc) and I was surprised to find that recruits aren’t asked to do any pull ups. He said it used to be a requirement that one be able to do at least 5 pull ups but they drooped pull ups from the test altogether because in two years there had never been a female applicant who could do a single pull up.


18 posted on 05/16/2012 11:24:17 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: US Navy Vet

miss


19 posted on 05/16/2012 11:24:20 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: circlecity

Fortunately, no one in that police force will ever be required by law to protect a citizen of the jurisdiction, no harm, right?


20 posted on 05/16/2012 11:26:28 AM PDT by Pecos (In God we trust. All others - bring data.)
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To: jagusafr
Recommendation: Don't do it.

Plan: Get rid of every PC, equality-of-sexes, Muzzie-accommodating, homo-lovin’ social experimentation policy in DoD.

21 posted on 05/16/2012 11:26:45 AM PDT by twister881
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To: Free ThinkerNY
DRILL SARGENT: "OK, men, drop down and give me 20."

DRILL DRILL SARGENT: "OK, ladies drop down and give me 5."

22 posted on 05/16/2012 11:27:29 AM PDT by jmax (Be warned....I'm armed. Round is chambered, full magazine is inserted, safety is off.)
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To: twister881

Does that mean doing away with the US “Air Force”? JUST KIDDING!


23 posted on 05/16/2012 11:28:49 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet
Did I mess anything?

The Navy brass pushed her through Pensacola even though she failed most or all of her qualifying tests, just to get a woman on active flight status in a F-14.

24 posted on 05/16/2012 11:31:38 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

SEAL training too? God help us.


25 posted on 05/16/2012 11:31:54 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: wastedyears

A female Navy Aviator who perished when she botched a carrier landing approach and then performed a manoeuvre that was contrary to training; this manoeuvre caused her aircraft to lose thrust on one of its two engines; she then fired the afterburner on remaining functional engine in an attempt to replace the lost thrust, and this action caused the aircraft to spin out of control. She ejected into the water and was killed instantly.

She had lots of firsts, however. Her last, final, first was a tough one to swallow. In a manner of speaking.


26 posted on 05/16/2012 11:31:58 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: jagusafr
Looking at the Ranger fitness standards, there is likely no way to get significant numbers of women to pass current male standards. The minimum for pushups and 2mi run are past the 100% row on the female fitness charts. The Marine Corps found that only the top 10% of female Marines could do 6 pull-ups (the minimum passing number for Rangers)
27 posted on 05/16/2012 11:32:24 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can’t be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Is nothing sacred?

RLTW!


28 posted on 05/16/2012 11:33:35 AM PDT by Wu (Excuse me while I kiss the sky......)
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To: wastedyears

She was an affirmative action “naval aviator” who was pushed to the carrier flight program so the girlies could build their “self-esteem”, and because she was unqualified, she got herself and her navigator killed.


29 posted on 05/16/2012 11:34:13 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: PapaBear3625

Well, you know, the bad guys up in the mountains’ll give ‘em a pass as long as they try real hard.

Sheesh.


30 posted on 05/16/2012 11:34:56 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: US Navy Vet

You’re asking for trouble!


31 posted on 05/16/2012 11:35:02 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: saganite
Rangerettes! Don’t think so.

You haven't seen the Kilgore College Rangerettes, have you?

32 posted on 05/16/2012 11:35:30 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Right now, only males who are in exceptional shape to start with even get selected for Ranger School. Of those, only about half graduate, and some of that number includes those who have been recycled.

I just don't see how it can be done without significantly altering the course or making radical exceptions for the females.

33 posted on 05/16/2012 11:35:33 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: PapaBear3625

“women recruits were held to the EXACT SAME standards as the men, and the standards were not lowered”

Yep I agree..


34 posted on 05/16/2012 11:36:50 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Free ThinkerNY; SandRat; Jack Deth; circlecity; Obadiah; jagusafr

Now that the sodomites and lesbians are officially ordained, the Pentagon will never pass up an opportunity to direct the services towards humanist social alchemy and social engineering.

The Ranger sub-culture that ensures victory demands totalitarian mental and physical harshness to overcome their chaotic, barbaric, and brittle environments. The question is not whether women can meet some newly fabricated minimum set of qualifications, but whether they can join the few exceeding the expectations of accomplished combat infantrymen.

My son is a former Marine and my war was with the Navy in Vietnam. We both discourage anyone who asks about joining the military. Victory and the warrior ethic are no longer important values.


35 posted on 05/16/2012 11:36:57 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: onedoug

“SEAL training too?”

#######

Of course.

The camel’s nose is already under the tent.

When the magnificent USMC went PC, I knew we were finished.


36 posted on 05/16/2012 11:37:25 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: EEGator

Won’t be the FIRST TIme!


37 posted on 05/16/2012 11:37:33 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Steely Tom

I have a friend who lost an engine at the end of his roll in a take-off from a flight deck. He managed the situation correctly, saving his life and his RIO’s life, but he wasn’t a worthless AA pilot.


38 posted on 05/16/2012 11:39:00 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: montanajoe

I say any gal who wants to do that, who can physically qualify and who will take the buzz cut... best of luck to her. There is still the “chivalry” problem, though, in a coed deployment. Guys will take chances to protect the gals that they might forego for the sake of brothers.


39 posted on 05/16/2012 11:40:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: US Navy Vet

You didn’t miss much. When the objective is equality then quality will fail at some point. When the objective is quality you will see a measure of equality where it is merited.


40 posted on 05/16/2012 11:40:41 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Big mistake.


41 posted on 05/16/2012 11:42:35 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: circlecity

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304746604577384021387990452.html

Her regimen is a brutal, six- (sometimes seven) day-a-week mix of roller skiing, biking, running and strength training. Pull-ups are a fairly unpleasant experience for most humans, but the ones Ms. Randall does resemble a form of medieval torture. She straps on a belt with a chain dangling from it and attaches a 60-pound weight to it. Or she’ll pull herself up with such power that she is able to clap her hands above the bar and then grab it to slowly lower herself. Eight is her record.

All of that and a very nice smile!


42 posted on 05/16/2012 11:47:02 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Yeah, and the U.S. navy issues bottoms with nametags over the buttocks so that Seamen will remember the name of who they were with the night before.

Rum Sodomy and the Lash - as Winston Churchill would have it.

USAF!!!! ;)


43 posted on 05/16/2012 11:47:35 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It might be helpful to read the rest of the article:

He says if women are eventually allowed to serve in the infantry, they would have to go to Ranger school in order to be competitive with their male counterparts as they move through the ranks.

Going to Ranger school does not automatically mean they would be allowed to serve in one of the Army's three elite Ranger battalions, which are Army special operations forces. Women are not allowed to serve as special operators.

44 posted on 05/16/2012 11:48:10 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: achilles2000

“and her navigator killed.

I thought her RIO survived. He saw what was happening and punched out; she would have flown that thing all the way to the water screaming.


45 posted on 05/16/2012 11:49:00 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called “gay” instead.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is, simply put, the most asinine proposal of the century.
All it will accomplish will be to relax the standards for our most elite military groups and make liberals “feel good”.

We can’t get the boy emperor out of office fast enough.


46 posted on 05/16/2012 11:49:30 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: jimfree

I was in the F-14 Community(VF-111) as an TARPS Intel Analyst 1988-1991, had a front row seat to the carnage my Navy inflicted upon itself as a result of Tailhook ‘91.


47 posted on 05/16/2012 11:50:02 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: CodeToad

I think he died, but I could be wrong.


48 posted on 05/16/2012 11:51:34 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: allmendream; US Navy Vet

Now it’s two on one.


49 posted on 05/16/2012 11:51:53 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: US Navy Vet
The F-14 she crashed, how much did it cost us taxpayers?
50 posted on 05/16/2012 11:52:22 AM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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