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In City Where Dogs Outnumber Children, Finding a Way for Coyotes to Coexist
ny times ^ | May 14, 2012 | NORIMITSU ONISHI

Posted on 05/16/2012 8:10:23 AM PDT by george76

SAN FRANCISCO — Dogs outnumber children here, making already assertive dog owners an even more formidable political force.

But the emergence in recent years of coyotes in the city’s parks, and sometimes in its expensive backyards and picturesque streets, has raised doubts about whether that founding legacy can survive. Will the two animal worlds — the domesticated and the wild — be able to coexist? Might they even, as many in this liberal city hope, ultimately complement each other?

Taking no chances, city officials recently cordoned off trails and barricaded a restroom in an area of Golden Gate Park where reports of coyotes following dog owners and approaching unleashed dogs have been rising

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: coyotes; doggieping; unleasheddogs
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1 posted on 05/16/2012 8:10:25 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76
Will somebody please nuke San Francisco. Please.
2 posted on 05/16/2012 8:11:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: george76

“Dogs outnumber children here.” And probably spotted owls and newts outnumber dogs.


3 posted on 05/16/2012 8:13:18 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: george76

I’m sure there are plenty of cats in the park at night to sustain a healthy coyote population.


4 posted on 05/16/2012 8:14:15 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: jazusamo; girlangler; SierraWasp; Flycatcher; GladesGuru; B4Ranch; tubebender; Grampa Dave; ...

Remove all the people in San Francisco and create a UN Agenda 21 wilderness area ?


5 posted on 05/16/2012 8:14:36 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Dogs and coyotes can coexist..............until the coyote gets hungry. Then they will eat the dog. Live in rural areas for awhile and you will learn a lot about the coyote. He’s very good at survival.


6 posted on 05/16/2012 8:14:42 AM PDT by RC2 (Buy American and support the Wounded Warrior Project whenever possible.)
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To: george76

Might they even, as many in this liberal city hope, ultimately complement each other?

...maybe reasoning with the coyotes or perhaps the city should pass a law where every family must sacrifice one member to the coyotes!


7 posted on 05/16/2012 8:16:47 AM PDT by albie
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To: RC2

You can learn about them in the suburbs of Chicago. They’re picking of “Fluffies” right and left around here. I won’t let my dogs out in my fenced in backyard after dark alone anymore.


8 posted on 05/16/2012 8:17:01 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: george76
Pit Bulls and Coyotes? Maybe.

Shih Tzus and Coyotes? Not so much.

9 posted on 05/16/2012 8:17:28 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: george76

I have never before feared for the coyote population, but if they have to cohabitate with San Franciscans they may well be doomed.


10 posted on 05/16/2012 8:17:28 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: RC2

Plus coyotes end up being target practice targets by those with rifles.


11 posted on 05/16/2012 8:17:50 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: george76
Taking no chances, city officials recently cordoned off trails and barricaded a restroom in an area of Golden Gate Park where reports of coyotes following dog owners.

In San Francisco, a city of 805,000, there are 108,000 children, according to the 2010 census. And there are 180,000 dogs, and 10 coyotes, according to city estimates.

TEN COYOTES.

As in nine plus one.

Good grief.

Yep, don't want to take any chances.

Better just stay home.

Behind locked doors.

In bed.

With the lights off.

The covers over their head.

Shivering in fear.

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12 posted on 05/16/2012 8:22:03 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: george76
By all means, shut down parks and wooded areas so the coyotes can protect their pups in their dens. Then next year their numbers will be double, no problem there that I see.

Government trappers will then have a lot more targets but by the time they get the trappers after the coyotes there’ll be a lot fewer pets.

13 posted on 05/16/2012 8:23:20 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: RC2

I hear coyotes within a hundred yards of the house at night here. I don’t let my dogs go out alone at night.


14 posted on 05/16/2012 8:23:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: george76

“Remove all the people in San Francisco and create a UN Agenda 21 wilderness area ?”

No! No!

Send all of the California left wing America haters and illegal aliens to Gay Frisco to live and don’t allow any of them to leave the city.

Also, ban any of our tax $’s federal/state from being sent to or spent in Gay Frisco.


15 posted on 05/16/2012 8:25:25 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: george76
SAN FRANCISCO — Dogs outnumber children here,

Wow ... that's a thorough condemnation of San Fransicko.

16 posted on 05/16/2012 8:27:55 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: george76

Where would they go? Like locusts, they would devour the civilizations where they landed. Keep them there, eventually, they will eventually unpopulate themselves to nothing.


17 posted on 05/16/2012 8:29:45 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; afraidfortherepublic; ...
WOOOF!

The Doggie Ping list is for FReepers who would like to be notified of threads relating to all things canid. If you would like to join the Doggie Ping Pack (or be unleashed from it), FReemail me.

18 posted on 05/16/2012 8:30:22 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: george76
Dogs outnumber children here

About 5 to 10 years ago here on FR there were stories of parents moving out of San Francisco to other cities and towns.

They did not want to raise their kids in the perverted city.

There must have been a lot of truth to those stories.

19 posted on 05/16/2012 8:31:35 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: BenLurkin
"Will somebody please nuke San Francisco. Please."

No need to use nukes. The earthquake will happen -- someday. Or, the city will collapse once the last of the normal sane people leave.

20 posted on 05/16/2012 8:32:06 AM PDT by StormEye
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To: george76

San Francisco is a homosexual haven.

They have gained political power because they have time and money to spend on themselves, whereas normal people pour themselves in to raising families.

In this case, the “gay” and self-indulgent lifestyle seems to have come back to bite them, literally.


21 posted on 05/16/2012 8:32:43 AM PDT by Jedidah ("In those days Israel had no king. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.")
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To: StormEye

Or the coyotes will win.


22 posted on 05/16/2012 8:34:07 AM PDT by Jedidah ("In those days Israel had no king. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.")
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To: cripplecreek

Coyotes are a major carrier of rabies and they should be eradicated as quiuckly as possible.

If you have a problem with coyotes I highly recommend a black lab. My own “rolls” coyotes for fun and they tend to stay away. She looks like a torpedo running through the tall grass when she goes after them and they can’t see her in the night (she knows this.


23 posted on 05/16/2012 8:34:26 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: george76
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SAVE THE GAY COYOTES

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24 posted on 05/16/2012 8:35:47 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The best diplomat I know is a fully-activated phaser bank. - Montgomery Scott)
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To: StormEye

Earthquake, fire and brimstone... something, eh?


25 posted on 05/16/2012 8:37:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: buffaloguy
black lab. . . "rolls" coyotes for fun

LOL! I'd love to watch that.

Labs are good for coyotes but for wolves you need a couple of these:


26 posted on 05/16/2012 8:38:43 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The best diplomat I know is a fully-activated phaser bank. - Montgomery Scott)
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To: RC2; dixiechick2000
"Dogs and coyotes can coexist..............until the coyote gets hungry. Then they will eat the dog. Live in rural areas for awhile and you will learn a lot about the coyote. He’s very good at survival."

A couple of decades ago, one of our single younger relatives lived in a townhouse in Bend, Oregone with some fellow co workers.

Every afternoon after work, they tried to relax in their hot tub with a local micro beer. A neighbor would let her vile French Poodle out to bark at them and anything that was alive while doing her business.

One afternoon/evening right at sunset, after FiFi had been set out, a large coyote came up and grabbed FiFi by the neck and shook FiFi. Then, Wilie trotted off with his fresh French dinner.

As Wilie was leaving with FiFi doing her final yapping, FiFi's owner came out of her house and saw what was happening and asked her neighbors for help.

They held their Deschuttes micro beer bottles up and toasted Wilie.

The neighbor moved out shortly after that terrible event for her and FiFi. Peace and quiet with the reassuring howls of Wilie and his brothers was the norm in that neighborhood, from then on.


27 posted on 05/16/2012 8:42:03 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: RC2

I lived in the middle of Houston and we have coyotes living right here. They travel up and down a bayou and venture 2 or 3 miles from that bayou into densely populated neighborhoods during the day and certainly at night. Small dogs and cats disappear often. I saw one at 1pm closer to The Galleria than he was to Buffalo Bayou. I had heard they were here but that still shocked me.


28 posted on 05/16/2012 8:42:19 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: BenLurkin

That’s why they didn’t want the IOWA. Afraid someone would turn those nine 16”ers around and improve the world.


29 posted on 05/16/2012 8:44:55 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: buffaloguy

I’ve seen ranchers here in Central Texas keep packs of large guard dogs within their property. That keeps everyone honest, especially coyotes and hogs.


30 posted on 05/16/2012 8:45:55 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Ditter

I live about a mile from the Richmond, VA city limits. One of my cats disappeared about a month ago. Last week, I heard of two other cats killed nearby, and they found some remains. One of the pet owners just hired a trapper.


31 posted on 05/16/2012 8:52:46 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: george76
Will the two animal worlds — the domesticated and the wild — be able to coexist? Might they even, as many in this liberal city hope, ultimately complement each other?

I suspect the SF Board of Supervisors will soon issue a resolution demanding that dogs and coyotes set aside their differences and live together in peace. San Francisco is barely a functional city anymore - more like a liberal theme park with very poor janitorial services.
32 posted on 05/16/2012 8:53:29 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: lormand

We were driving on a very rural dirt road in west central Texas and saw a flock of sheep. They were being guarded by 2 of the most magnificent huge white dogs. Can’t remember the breed right now but I would not have gotten out of the car even to fix a flat near those dogs. :D


33 posted on 05/16/2012 9:00:05 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: george76

Dogs are just substitute children from homosexuals and lesbians.


34 posted on 05/16/2012 9:04:43 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: PzLdr
That’s why they didn’t want the IOWA. Afraid someone would turn those nine 16”ers around and improve the world.

If you had put it that way, they might have wanted it.

35 posted on 05/16/2012 9:06:10 AM PDT by LouD (I stand with Scott Walker)
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To: USMCPOP

Will the trapper be using a dead cat for bait?


36 posted on 05/16/2012 9:10:22 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: george76

Here’s a novel idea. Keep all the stinking pooping and peeing mutts out of the park. People are such slobs with pet “Froofry” crapping/peeing along the trail or on someone else’s property.


37 posted on 05/16/2012 9:11:30 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Ditter
They were being guarded by 2 of the most magnificent huge white dogs. Can’t remember the breed right now but I would not have gotten out of the car even to fix a flat near those dogs. :D

Kuvasz, by any chance? I've always wanted to get one of those but they sound like a handful to train.
38 posted on 05/16/2012 9:23:00 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: george76
Problem solved:


39 posted on 05/16/2012 9:25:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Ditter
Perhaps they were Great Pyranees?


40 posted on 05/16/2012 9:27:19 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Lurker
You can learn about them in the suburbs of Chicago. They’re picking of “Fluffies” right and left around here. I won’t let my dogs out in my fenced in backyard after dark alone anymore.

I see that you are in the Chicago area and I suppose that this is prohibited, but when I let my dogs out here in rural Virginia, I keep two fully-loaded .22 pistols near the door, ready to be brought into action if I see my dogs attacked. They are on a lawn and no further than 50 feet away always. And the spotlights show me the woods very well.

41 posted on 05/16/2012 9:40:21 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Dogs are just substitute children from homosexuals and lesbians.

Thank God for that. I'd rather they raise dogs than children.

42 posted on 05/16/2012 9:41:39 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: george76

Thank God there aren’t many children in SF. That depraved city is no place to raise a child.


43 posted on 05/16/2012 9:43:19 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: george76
There's a very good reason why my ancestors trapped, shot and poisoned coyotes.
44 posted on 05/16/2012 9:44:19 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: jazusamo; george76
By all means, shut down parks and wooded areas so the coyotes can protect their pups in their dens.

Lol!

I had to laugh at the liberal nature-worshipping stupidity coming from the San Francisco officials too. Hey, why not encourage mountain lions in the park too? Plenty to eat for them.

Speaking of which, heard my FOS (First of Season) mountain lion the other night at a remote mountain campsite. Sounded like a female in heat again.

Thanks for the ping, George! Back for a few days.

45 posted on 05/16/2012 9:45:13 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: jazusamo
Then next year their numbers will be double,

Coyotes breed year round, so if there is ample food and shelter you are looking at not a doubling of the population, but more likely a quadrupling, or more, of it.

46 posted on 05/16/2012 9:47:18 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; lormand
Yes, something like that. The one in the picture looks well groomed compared to the dogs we saw. There was not a human (or a coyote) in sight and the dogs were on duty!
47 posted on 05/16/2012 9:48:19 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Jim Noble

Beautiful picture. Where and when was it taken?


48 posted on 05/16/2012 9:48:25 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: TLI
In San Francisco, a city of 805,000, there are 108,000 children, according to the 2010 census. And there are 180,000 dogs, and 10 coyotes, according to city estimates.

You're right, what a bunch of whining ninnies.

I live in a subdivision with a population of less than one thousand residents. The majority are empty-nesters, so proportionately there aren't all that many children here. The neighborhood sits on the edge of undeveloped forest land. There's a population of about a dozen coyotes living in the immediate area.

There are no outdoor cats here. If you see one once, you will never see it again. No one leaves small dogs outside unattended. Last week I watched a pair of coyotes chase four deer right past me, no more than 30 yards from where I stood. I once had a face-off with a coyote in my driveway who was interested in my fenced-in dog. That darn coyote walked straight up to me without fear, stopping about 6 feet away only because I started yelling, waving my arms, pounding my feet and making moves towards him. He just stood there and stared at me for a few minutes, then casually turned around and slowly walked away back up my driveway.

I would never walk around here unarmed. I don't mind coexisting with the varmints, but if one ever gets too aggressive and doesn't show signs of backing down, it'll be the last thing he does.

Now, the moose are a different story. There have been two incidents here of them coming into people's yards to attack their relatively big dogs. Moose are pretty darn scary. Maybe we should introduce some of them to San Francisco.

49 posted on 05/16/2012 10:01:57 AM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: USMCPOP

I live in Long Beach, CA. A few months back I saw a “stray dog” wandering down my street at about 11:30 pm. It appeared to be a Shepard mix. He was acting kind of shady. I whistled for him to come over. “Here boy”.

Then, out of the corner of my eye, I saw an exact duplicate of the same dog walking down the street. Then it struck me: Coyotes!

I try to bring my cat in at night, but he insists on being outdoors. He grew up in Wyoming and Texas, so he’s used to outdoor wildlife. He bullies the neighborhood strays, possums and racoons. (Yes, even in Long Beach we have a lot of wildlife).

I know some ninny will blast me for letting my cat go outdoors, but it’s his life. He is absolutely miserable indoors. So I let him live a full life. He’s survived in some tough places.

I have another cat that is NOT allowed outdoors, though she tries.

Coyotes are part of this country. I grew up in Texas. We were always aware of them.


50 posted on 05/16/2012 10:05:56 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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