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Ron Paul ends his hunt for votes
Washington Times ^ | 5/14/2012 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 05/14/2012 12:11:34 PM PDT by Kevin C

Rep. Ron Paul of Texas said Monday he will not compete in primaries in any of the states that have not yet voted — essentially confirming Mitt Romney will win the Republican presidential nomination. Mr. Paul said he will continue to work for delegates in states that have already voted and where the process of delegate-selection is playing out. He said that’s a way to make his voice heard at the nominating convention in Tampa, Fla., in August. “Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted,” Mr. Paul said. “Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have.” He did encourage his supporters to still turn out and vote. His decision not to compete for new votes in other states leaves Mr. Romney as the only candidate still actively fighting for voters’ support.

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To: Sirius Lee; RitaOK; rogue yam; All
He's been stomping his feet and calling everyone a liar that rightly critiques Romney's lack of Conservative values.

Yeah, that seems to be Rogue Yam's hat, doesn't it? I suspect a lot of it has to do with the fact that he's too ignorant and unknowledgable of actual facts to do anything other than make faces at the people who aren't reconciling themselves to Romney. To a person like rogue yam, "principles" are horrid evil things that just mean you "think you're better than everybody else" and that keep you from lining up behind whatever piece of garbage the GOP has decided to nominate this time around.

It's sad, but the fact of the matter is, even in conservative circles, there will always be people like RY who value being a team player more than ideological consistency or commitment to first principles. Supporting the "R" is more important than supporting the Constitution, etc.

The funny thing is, he tries to hide behind the "Romney won it fair and square" argument - but Romney didn't. It can't be called a legitimate win when your opponents' signatures for ballot access are tossed out so they are disqualified, while yours are basically accepted sight unseen, as happened in Virginia. It can't be called a legitimate win when your opponent's campaign ads are kept off the air so they can be "fact-checked," while your much more scurrilous ads receive all the air time you can pay for, as happened in Florida. These, plus many other things, delegitimise Romney's "win." He only "won" because he and his campaign are lying, cheating, and stealing enough to win.

If that's what RY counts as "being a fighter," then no thanks. We've already got one of those in the White House. I choose something different.

Let's face it - anyone who thinks Romney will be significantly different from Obama is a fool. Plain and simple. We know that they both are pro-abortion, pro-gay agenda, anti-gun, pro-progressive taxation, have both raised taxesand fees, both support government-run health care, both denigrate religious liberty, and have made the worst possible judicial picks they could have. These are not opinions, these are facts based off of their respective records - like it or not.

There's no reason to think Romney will govern any more constitutionally than Obama has. There really isn't. There are a lot of FReepers who are trying to convince themselves through wishful thinking that Romney is going to be the second coming of Ronald Reagan, but he won't be. There's no reason to think Romney won't hang onto the czars. there's no reason to think Romney won't keep TSA/VIPR/Patriot Act and the rest of the anti-constitutional regimen completely in place. There is no reason to think that Romney will not keep pretty much the entire substance of all the stuff that we hate about Obama in place.

Why should he change it? Conservatives didn't put him where he is. Money, dirty tricks, and a complicit GOP elite and "conservative" media did. He is not beholden to conservatives. He will not govern the way we want him to. His feet will not be held to the fire by conservatives. Conservatives will not "keep him honest." There's no reason in the world - nada, none, zilch - why he should give two toots of a horn what conservatives think about anything.

Oh, but he has a good platform! Like that's going to mean anything the day after he's elected. The platform will get the etch-a-sketch treatment. It only exists now so as to fool enough conservatives into voting for him to beat Obama. Once that happens, it's gone, never to be heard from again.

The whole "you have to vote for Romney or else you're voting for Obama!!!!" argument rests on a false premise, which is that there's any substantive difference between the two. There is not. Voting for one is essentially to vote for the other - the only differences to speak of are the "team colours" each is wearing. You can rah-rah for the Team D or you can rah-rah for Team R, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter which, since they're both going to do essentially the same things. Romney may be a little more subtle about it, but that won't change the substance of how he governs.

America's goose is cooked either way - and it's going to be because of people like Rogue Yam who would rather roll over and wimp out than try to fight for a real conservative who the GOP-E can't control.

161 posted on 05/15/2012 6:45:49 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Jeff Head
I believe though thet Romney, if elected, will be a far, far better outcome for this nation than Obama...

Exactly on what evidence are you basing this wishful thinking?

Let's think this through, Jeff.

On the economy - we have already seen that Romney pretty much admits support for the fundamental premise of progressive taxation, which is wealth redistribution. He's already rumbled about the rich paying their fair share, just like a Democrat would. That right there suggests that he's not going to do much to help the economy. Face it, if our economy is to really and truly recover, drastic changes need to be made - tax fairness needs to be instituted, capital gains need to be majorly cut or even eliminated, and we need to start instituting at least some protective measures to bring back jobs. Romney the progressive taxation supporter and hard-core free trader will not push to see these done. So there's no real reason to assume that the economy is going to magically get better with him in office.

ObamaCare overturned? Are you kidding me? Overturned by the guy who is its spiritual godfather? Not going to happen on Romney's watch. While ObamaCare and RomneyCare are not entirely contiguous, the fact remains that much of MassCare led to ObamaCare. It was the model. Romney has repeatedly refused to back down on his belief that MassCare was essentially a good idea. The best Romney may do is tinker around the edges a bit, but it's simply wishful thinking to believe that Romney's going to go along with repealing ObamaCare. He has no credibility on the issue for a reason.

Court justices - nope. I understand the argument that Romney had to choose from the pool chosen by the Governour's Council in Massachusetts. But it doesn't take into account that even with this handicap, Romney STILL consistently choose the worst out of a bad lot. Further, his choices were those who were the most consistently radical supporters of legislating the gay agenda from the bench. There's no reason to think Romney's going to make good judicial choices at any level, sorry.

Foreign policy is more of a grey area since Romney has no actual record on that regard. However, given the fact that the rest of his proclivities are similar to Obama's, I don't see much reason to think his foreign policy will significantly differ, either. He may be less overt about some things, but I don't see how the substance can differ much. Remember - things are all interconnected. A person's foreign policy decisions stem from a worldview that also encompasses their views on everything else. If Romney's similar to Obama in other areas, there's a good chance he is on foreign policy choices as well.

162 posted on 05/15/2012 7:06:32 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Farmer Dean
"I ask this because the ones that I’ve spoken to around here are a little bit around the bend"

It is quite difficult to talk to a Ron Paul supporter "around here" since early in this primary season just and all of his supporters, and there were many long time freepers that liked Ron Paul, were given the zot. It was a popular game here at FR to find and zot the paulbots. Not many survived the purge.

163 posted on 05/15/2012 7:07:05 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Yashcheritsiy

When you write that we should “ - - - fight for a real conservative who the GOP-E can’t control. “

Then who are they, IYHO?


164 posted on 05/15/2012 7:09:34 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Yashcheritsiy
...try to fight for a real conservative who the GOP-E can't control.

That fight is called "the GOP Primary".

With respect to the White House, that fight is over.

165 posted on 05/15/2012 7:33:11 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: JediJones
If you look up (“solid and consistent conservative leader”) in the dictionary, there should be a picture of Newt there.

Is that the picture where he is sitting on a couch next to Nancy Pelosi?

166 posted on 05/15/2012 7:36:37 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: caww

That was some time ago and it is one phrase taken out of context. Romney is running as a conservative now. He calls himself a conservative again and again. Thus he is not a “self-proclaimed progressive”.


167 posted on 05/15/2012 7:39:56 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Dead Corpse
Johnson and Goode are our only real options...

Johnson and Goode are not options because neither will come anywhere close to winning even a single state. There is nothing real about that.

... and the GOP is yesterday’s news.

Defeatism is un-American.

168 posted on 05/15/2012 7:43:43 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

” - - - With respect to the White House, that fight is over. “

I can give you 15 TRILLION reasons why that fight HAS JUST BEGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


169 posted on 05/15/2012 7:46:02 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Yashcheritsiy
...it IS game over for America. We're jinked either way...

Defeatism is un-American.

170 posted on 05/15/2012 7:47:42 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Graewoulf
I can give you 15 TRILLION reasons why that fight HAS JUST BEGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blah, blah, blah. One of two people will be leading our country for the next four years as we deal with the $15T deficit, Obama or Romney.

No number of exclamation points will change that fact.

171 posted on 05/15/2012 7:50:50 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Jeff Head
I believe though that Romney, if elected, will be a far, far better outcome for this nation than Obama...and unfortunately, that is what we are left with.

I agree with this, of course.

I ask those on this thread who have so vociferously attacked Romney here, what is your goal? You say that you believe that America will be equally bad off under either Obama or Romney, but you only attack Romney. What are you trying to accomplish?

172 posted on 05/15/2012 7:56:44 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Yashcheritsiy
There's no reason to think Romney will govern any more constitutionally than Obama has. There really isn't.

You do not come across as someone who is indifferent between Obama and Romney. Rather, you seem like you are trying to prevent Romney from getting elected.

173 posted on 05/15/2012 8:01:06 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I have thought it through and come to my conclusion. You have done likewise and come to a different conlcusion. I acccept that and understand your reasoning and intent. I have the same intent to keep the Republic from harm...or, further or worse harm in this case.

Virgil is not going to win. End of story. It will be either Obama or Romney...irrespective of what you or I or a few thousand people here on FR do.

As to his Judge nominations, I have talked with people who lived there during the Romney admin. As you have indicated, the Committee had the lion’s share of the power. He was constrained. But after that, it still had to clear a overwhelmingly liberal legislature...and so of course, the end product was as liberal as it could be in that environment. Romney was hobbled and, IMHO, tried to make the best of a losing situation from his very moderate standpoint.

Do not get me wrong. I do not like his record, but I also recognize where he was and what constraints were upon him as Governor of that state and that a lot that is being attributed to him personally was not really him, but the overall liberal nature of the state, its legislature and its laws that hobbled anything good he may have wanted to do.

Now, he is free of all of that, indicates that he has changed in very specific areas, and has put together a platform on the issues for the last 5-6 years that he is running on which is, on its face, not that terribly bad.

My point is simple. That is a whole lot better than what we have from Obama and the only real two choices we have in terms of who the actual next President will be are these two.

One a very moderate Republican from Mass who says he has now seen the light and is running on a platform reflecting that, and the other a Kenyan Marxist who is intent on detroying the Republic and is alreayd well on his way in his 1st term to doing so.

For me, though it is certainly not the choice I wanted, the choice between the two is still very clear.

That’s what I intend to do and why and I believe if we put in place the conservative (spelled Tea Party) congress we simply must have in any case, that Romney will govern accordingly.

Will he be “really good?” Probably not. But I believe on the economy, on the military, in foreign affairs, and with ObamaCare and other social issues he will be a vast improvement over Obama.

God’s speed. Time will soon tell how this will play out and I pray God’s guidance on the people of this nation, all those who love America and cherish our way of life and liberty, that they may be guided to help us turn away from the precipice we are teetering over.


174 posted on 05/15/2012 8:02:21 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: rogue yam
Facing reality is very American. You cannot put a Willard, a Dole, a McCain, etc... on the GOP ticket and expect the base to do anything other than stay home in disgust.

This isn't my opinion... This is proven history.

175 posted on 05/15/2012 8:18:00 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: rogue yam

” - - - for the next four years as we deal with the $15T deficit - - - “

We finally agree. WE will deal with the 15T NATIONAL DEBT (not the 1.3T ANNUAL deficit), and not Obama or Obamalite..

Where we disagree is that neither Obama or Obamalite will decrease Federal Spending to be less than the previous year’s Federal income.

BTW, the addition of thrice repeated four letter words to your statement does not change the fact that the “ fight has just begun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “


176 posted on 05/15/2012 8:33:00 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Dead Corpse

You are a quitter. The fact that there may be other quitters changes nothing.

1) You are a quitter.
2) Quitting is un-American.


177 posted on 05/15/2012 8:54:31 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Jeff Head
My point is simple. That is a whole lot better than what we have from Obama and the only real two choices we have in terms of who the actual next President will be are these two.

It comes down to a trust issue - I do not trust Romney, and do not believe he is really making the changes he claims to be making. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about that, but fear that I am not. I simply cannot and will not vote for him.

178 posted on 05/15/2012 8:56:33 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: rogue yam

So essentially, any facts that are inconvenient to you, you will simply ignore.

The story of the Romney supporter’s life.


179 posted on 05/15/2012 8:57:33 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: rogue yam

No - voting for anti-American socialists like Obama and Romney is un-American.

If the choice really is determined - if it is only Romney or Obama, with no hope of conservatives finding their backbones and rallying around someone else - then yes, America is well and truly jinked. Nothing will change that fact.


180 posted on 05/15/2012 8:59:15 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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