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Are Baby Boomers Stealing Jobs from the Young? (Part 1)
Townhall.com ^ | May 12, 2012 | Political Calculations

Posted on 05/12/2012 6:28:23 AM PDT by Kaslin

Walter Russell Mead writes on the disappearance of jobs for non-Baby Boomers:

An analysis of recent jobs figures at Investor.com reveals a disturbing development: the biggest beneficiaries from the economic recovery are Boomers, while everyone else is getting the shaft.

Since the Obama administration took office, there has been an epochal shift. Young workers have continued to lose jobs and incomes, while older workers have actually gained ground.

In fact, the Obama administration has seen a boom in the prospects of the 55+ crowd; their (I should say ‘our’) employment stands at a 42 year high. Net, there are 3.9 new jobs for people over 55 since the recession began in December 2007, but there are 8.1 million fewer jobs for the young folks since that time.

Jed Graham's IBD article features a chart that shows the employment-to-population ratio that applies for the following age groupings: Age 16-24, Age 25-55 and Age 55 and up:

The Great Generational Job Divide = Source: Investor's Business Daily

In the chart, we see that those Age 55 and older would appear to have a near constant share of their population group having jobs.

Meanwhile, we see significant decreases in the employment share of the populations for both the Age 25-54 group and especially for the Age 16-24 group since December 2007, which marks the beginning of the so-called "Great Recession".

We thought that outcome was interesting enough to dig deeper into the data to see how the age distribution of the U.S. workforce has changed over this period of time.

And to make it really interesting, we've decided to go back to November 2006 to do it. Here's why:

  1. The seasonally-adjusted level of total employment for the U.S. economy hit its all time peak in November 2007, just ahead of the Great Recession. Going back to November 2006 will allow us to capture the last full year of economic expansion for the U.S. economy.
  2. Coincidentally, the seasonally-adjusted number of teens (Age 16-19), who represent the lowest end of the age groups for which the BLS reports monthly jobs data, and is also the most negatively affected group over this period of time, last peaked in November 2006. Going back to this point in time will also fully capture what has happened with teen employment in the years since.
  3. The BLS breaks almost all of its age-related jobs data into five-year long cohorts, covering groupings like Age 20 to 24, Age 25 to 29, Age 30 to 34, et cetera. Going back to November 2006 will allow us to see how the employment situation for the same people whose employment was recorded in one of the age groups in November 2006 changed after they all moved up into the next higher age cohort in November 2011.

The downside to our more detailed approach is that we're not going to be able to use the BLS' seasonally-adjusted data for these older five-year age groupings, because the BLS only reports the non-seasonally adjusted data it collects for them, which means that the data we'll be using won't match these more commonly reported values.

Still, because we'll be comparing the data for the same month (November) five years apart, our analysis should only differ in very minor respects from what might be achieved using seasonally-adjusted data, if it had been available.

We're going to do this in a three-part series of posts, with this post being the first. Our next stop: the change in the age distribution of the American workforce from November 2006 to November 2011!


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; boomers; employment; jobs
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To: wm25burke

“When most of “the young” can’t even change the oil in their own car or control their own obesity? Hah!”

Can you cook a turkey dinner to feed 12?


151 posted on 05/12/2012 12:19:56 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge

>>And nothing to do with the professors who provide
>>courses like ‘urban history’, or the ‘history of feminism.’

Supply and Demand.

The YouPorn generation should consider the double entente meaning of ESAD.

If you do, you will. And that’s true about what goes into your eyes and mind as well as your mouth.

>>I’d love to serve

Then learn something of value like, say, about Aquaponics - and go learn to put it to use where there is a need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-MJRB18T_o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=aquaponics


152 posted on 05/12/2012 12:20:57 PM PDT by wm25burke
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To: JCBreckenridge
JCBreckenridge, your anger should be directed at the few that took advantage of you. Being a crook, taking advantage of others, using people is not necessarily a trait of just baby boomers but sadly can be found across the spectrum of human beings.

One of the hard lessons we all learn is life is not fair. You and I are on the same page when it comes down to tenure. It is not right that people can be in a position that no matter how bad a job they do, they can not be fired. This is what happens when we reward mediocrity and punish achievers and hard work. Why? Because it is easier to indoctrinate and control mediocrity.

You may find that we are all on the same page and age has nothing to do with it. Within time hopefully, after we are all thru pointing our fingers at each other, we will realize we all have the same enemy.

153 posted on 05/12/2012 12:21:50 PM PDT by Two-Bits (Failure to know history is sadly a way to repeat some of the most evil ever done.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Your posts on this thread seem to say a lot of different things. I am trying to figure out if you were in school for 12 years, why are you waiting around for a full time job, why are you working odd jobs when if the teaching thing isn’t working out you are not looking to another career.

Jobs and careers are two different things...which is it?

If you had as many jobs as your age...well why is that? That kind of admission makes me wonder what is wrong with you besides your attitude?


154 posted on 05/12/2012 12:23:23 PM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: Chode

“I though I’d child-proofed my house, but the kids kept getting back in...”


155 posted on 05/12/2012 12:24:24 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: wm25burke

“The YouPorn generation should consider the double entente meaning of ESAD.”

Odd that, it’s not my generation that was the tune in turn on, drop out generation, that we still have to wade through that nonsense today.

And it’s not my generation that legalized abortion, but it is my generation that’s having to pay for it and keep shelling out to feed the system.

But I guess I study history so I know stuff that’s totally not useful. Like how things used to be when you were younger - how we used to have things like sound money.


156 posted on 05/12/2012 12:24:47 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge

Gluttony is no measure of success, Junior.


157 posted on 05/12/2012 12:29:35 PM PDT by wm25burke
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To: Smokin' Joe

Joe I would re-check your math.

If you paid the max for the entire time and are now retired you would recieve the max pay out on SS. At the max pay out, a retiree of seventy years of age has received his entire input PLUS interest and is now lioving on the good will of the younger generations.

It is stricly math. It is based i=on the amount you paid in VS the amount you have taken out since your fiorst check.

Social Security is a massive Ponzi Scheme. It is weighted to the older generations and the bulge in boomers is part of the bankrupting process that was originally designed into the system.

It is was and was always intended to be a giant slush fund for vote buyimng to be used by the Democrat Party. It has been A very successful program for them.


158 posted on 05/12/2012 12:34:12 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: EBH

“Your posts on this thread seem to say a lot of different things. I am trying to figure out if you were in school for 12 years”

I was in college when I turned 18, scrimped and saved to go. Finished three years of it off a combination of scholarships and working summers. I worked as a treeplanter, and then moved to a different job the next year as a delivery driver.

As much as I scrimped, I couldn’t afford to go and finish off my degree. So I went back to work. Found a bunch of different jobs, all part-time, all contract work, and kept saving up so that I could eventually go back to school, and finish up my last year.

The reason I’ve worked so many jobs is that I temped, and was always willing to do whatever it took. Rather then turn down work because it was something different, I’d take it on, do my best, work until the end of the contract, and not get renewed.

“why are you working odd jobs when if the teaching thing isn’t working out you are not looking to another career.”

It took me two years to get where I am now, where I am teaching part time. I worked really hard to get this job, and I am reluctant to start over again and go back to school, and do something completely different.

I have been applying for full time positions, but haven’t had my breakthrough yet.

Maybe you can afford to go back to school, but I can’t, I have to work and it was hard enough for me to make enough money to go the first time. If I go back and do something completely different, I’ll be 4 more years behind and still no further ahead.

“That kind of admission makes me wonder what is wrong with you besides your attitude?”

I have a hearing disability, and as a teacher, few are willing to hire a teacher with a hearing disability, irrespective of experience and qualifications. I have been told that I should teach deaf kids and deaf students, which isn’t very helpful when I am looking for positions to teach regular students.

I’m very good at what I do - my current employer is quite happy having hired me, I just want to get full time with them, but there hasn’t been a slot opened up yet. We did a major curriculum revision and I was helping train the full time teachers, which is part of why I was brought on in the first place.

But it’s all seniority - I’m the only teacher under 50.


159 posted on 05/12/2012 12:34:43 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge

Guess you can’t fix stupid! That rebellious spirit we have gets us into more trouble.


160 posted on 05/12/2012 12:48:28 PM PDT by patriotsoul
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To: Two-Bits

I would argue that a minority of boomers have the common sense and understanding that you do. My frustration is with the ones who you’ve been battling with all your life.

It’s hard enough dealing with my peers who are space cadets when you’ve got the ones who are supposed to be responsible encouraging it!

I was very disenheartened when I went to university and saw all the fluff courses. That is part of why it took me so long to go back. I had teachers telling me how to do things when I had done them years previously and knew how things actually worked. I had some great teachers, but way, way, way too many of them were wedded to the whole ethic of secular humanism and determined to weed out everyone who thought otherwise. I was so glad to be finally done, where I could be assessed on merit rather then just regurgitating what the prof believed.

But I went, I actually finished, and managed to do it my way, not theirs.


161 posted on 05/12/2012 12:51:50 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge

>>we still have to wade through that nonsense today.

It’s unlikely a generation of pink-shirt wearing, pin-faced, tatooed, dishonesty rationalizing, self-“disabled” whiners has the requisite character or fitness to be able to accomplish that; and there's no evidence to the contrary thus far.

My guess is you’ll end up petrified in the stomach of some predator down at the watering hole just like the lesser dinosaurs who also failed to honestly adapt to the nature of the dangerous environment that evolved around them.   Abla de Chinese?  Been fitted for a Burkha yet?

>>But I guess I study history so I know stuff
>>that’s totally not useful.

“totally not useful”?

Perhaps, comrade Breckenridge, you can demonstrate usefulness by telling the class why the Soviet collective had to build a wall to contain its bipedal property in order to maintain the “soundness” of its monetary system?

>>we used to have things like sound money.

And what is the Paultardian proposal for rendering “sound money” in a quantifiable medium that is conducive to commerce in this multinational post-modern technocracy, hmmm?

Can “Sound money” exist in the context of a framework whose facilitators are morally corrupt? NO.


162 posted on 05/12/2012 1:05:30 PM PDT by wm25burke
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To: jveritas

“Moreover a majority of college graduates today have worthless arts degrees that are not worth a shit.”
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According to some it is not just the arts graduates, one freeper who says he hires engineers posted that he has had electrical engineering graduates apply who didn’t know ohm’s law. That is equivalent to a carpenter not being able to identify a nail or a dairy farmer not recognizing a cow. One thing is for certain, the history majors turned out by our local university don’t know the history that I learned in grade school, they have proven that to me in person. I used to hear that a history major was only good if you wanted to TEACH history, apparently now it is possible to get a job teaching history without knowing anything about the subject.


163 posted on 05/12/2012 1:13:27 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: wm25burke

“It’s unlikely a generation of pink-shirt wearing, pin-faced, tatooed, dishonesty rationalizing, self-“disabled” whiners has the requisite character or fitness to be able to accomplish that; and there’s no evidence to the contrary thus far.”

Unlike the tie-dyed, fringed, dope smoking, zoned out, self-satisfied boomers? But then, it was good enough for Clinton to get elected?

“Abla de Chinese? Been fitted for a Burkha yet?”

Funny you mention that, given that boomers have been tearing down the west pretty much constantly?

No, I’m fighting the battle with the only folks who are gonna be around when the dust clears. With the Church, not against it.

“Perhaps, comrade Breckenridge, you can demonstrate usefulness by telling the class why the Soviet collective had to build a wall to contain its bipedal property in order to maintain the “soundness” of its monetary system?”

As did Comrade Pelosi in confiscating passports from the unpersons? Plus ca change, plus de la meme chose. The only difference is that now we have those willing to give up their natural rights to the state.

But then that’s all ancient history.

Do you really think that the generation that fought on Normandy would look back at what you folks have done and are doing with pride? But, like you said, it’s all ancient history.

“Can “Sound money” exist in the context of a framework whose facilitators are morally corrupt? NO.”

The point of sound money is to take that decision out of the hands of the government - prior to the central bank, they couldn’t just ‘print money’ to pay their bills.

You know, just like Montesquieu and Hobbes? Restrain the state by restricting the power of the state. But then that’s ancient history.


164 posted on 05/12/2012 1:19:56 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: HotKat

So many excellent observations. It would be great if FR had a more up-to-date forum platform. I don’t see why this clunky format persists. Oh well.

Yes, I’ve saved nearly twice what I projected I would need for a comfortable SELF-FUNDED and SELF-EMPLOYED not planning on SS retirement... but I can’t afford to retire, can’t take the risk. Costs go up faster than my savings earn and more than that, there is less certainty now than ever over costs, taxes and stability.

Once you get off the horse and give up your place you may never be allowed or able to get back on so you stay in the saddle. Played properly, the boomer generation will die with more money than needed because the alternative terrible. To be old, broke, sick and unemployable is a terrible end.

As for youngsters, there are some great ones! Several of them work with my company and I am thrilled to have them. We mentor them as much as we can and provide them opportunity as they are ready for it. There are very few available that I call fire-and-forget type workers. People you tell a job needs to be done, let them know to see you if they need help and then you hardly ever see them until they bring back a product. They understand that you want them to do the job, not help you with it.

Mostly what we see at our clients though are whiny children who get their feelings hurt by our hard charging and capable achievers. We are glad that our clients hire them though and pay them mediocre wages and that they keep them. This just make our business of providing solutions and work for them GREAT! Our folks do have to learn to manage these problem people though.

We hire winners or potential winners, we pay them well for performance, we pay them very well for exceptional performance, we expect great things from them, if they are not able to deliver great things we give them an opportunity to find themselves somewhere else and give someone else an opportunity to be very successful in our team. We make mistakes in hiring sometimes. We don’t like to see people fail so we try to be very careful. Our judgement keeps improving.

We remain small because you can only find so many great people... they are our success. We might make more money by getting bigger, some of our clients might not notice the edge we have now but we would not be nearly as satisfied.


165 posted on 05/12/2012 1:31:26 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: JCBreckenridge

[have been told that I should teach deaf kids and deaf students, which isn’t very helpful when I am looking for positions to teach regular students.]

Does your hearing disability impair the ability of non-deaf children to learn?

Well forgive my bluntness, but my children are not in the classroom to give you a job.
 
They're there to learn - and that means asking questions, lots of them, even when the public employee they're in the care of isn't positioned to read their lips.

Now, maybe you've come up a novel means of overcoming your limitations - if so, good for you.   But you'd damned well better've demonstrated it works and have earned the responsibility for teaching my kids -- because if you get yourself Affirmative Actioned into a position that impairs them, I'll make it my full-time hobby to fix that.  Clear?


166 posted on 05/12/2012 1:32:09 PM PDT by wm25burke
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To: JCBreckenridge
Go back and reread my first post to you. I put myself through college twice, from scratch.

Temp. jobs and contract jobs may pay the bills, but you are learning the hard lesson is that they don't build careers if they are not in your field of expertise.

In the late 1970’s I started work as a cashier for a toy store, moved out at 18 and got a second job working at McDonalds. The weekend job was cashier for a drug store. Plus, I was still getting a few classes in at the time too. I did for several years and eventually got my business degree and went on to manage the drug store, spring boarded from there to a clothing company, built a $300,000 store into a million dollar store in 3 years and got promoted to a district manager of 15 stores.

Then the world crashed in 1996. I got up and started over again. Like my first post says I started over with the clothes on my back. I made more than my husband, so I paid him...the cheat.

While in pursuit of my second degree, I interned in my chosen field at a chemical company. It was a really crummy internship for a lot of reasons, but in my second year a management position opened up and I was asked to take it(at the time I was working as a bank teller, intern for the chemical co., and going back to school). Why would an intern get an EHS management position? Because I also understood business management, which was more than the kids coming out of college understood with their 4 year degree. 5 years later I was the field manager decommissioning two nuclear reactors for NASA. Today I run my retirement business. Yes, you read that correctly, my retirement business. You see I totally understand and was informed since the 1980's I would never see my SS contributions and millions of people were herded in IRA's and 401K's, but like my life demonstrates...I don't herd easily. I figured I would have to work in some capacity into my grave and having put in my long hours working and learning and career building for someone else, I decided it was time to really do it for myself. If I had learned that lesson much earlier in life, I think my life now would be much easier and better. So while my comments seem harsh to you, realize now, before it is too late...that ultimately it is up to you. It is not about 'who will give me the job.' When things were tough I didn't sit around and cry because they closed the toy store or my position got eliminated or even that my world literally crashed with the sudden death of my father, the loss of my mother 6 months later, and a divorce finalized 3 months after that... Who you are today is not who you were 12 years ago. If you've been doing the same thing for 12 years and not getting the results you want...then change what you are doing. What else can a history teacher do than teach at a school? How about historical sites as a history interpreter? How about a history tutor? Or a field history instructor for homeschoolers?

167 posted on 05/12/2012 1:38:06 PM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: JCBreckenridge
He’s prolife and doesn’t support gay marriage. Enough for me.

If he's on the ballot in Illinois, I'll vote for him. There are usually a half dozen candidates on the ballot, no one's ever heard of at least I know a little about him now, thanks.

168 posted on 05/12/2012 1:40:33 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: EBH

Bravissima.


169 posted on 05/12/2012 1:43:19 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah c<meth. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Graybeard58

You’re welcome. Glad I could help.


170 posted on 05/12/2012 1:47:42 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: EBH

“What else can a history teacher do than teach at a school? How about historical sites as a history interpreter? How about a history tutor? Or a field history instructor for homeschoolers?”

I had my own tutoring business for about 5 years, tutored pretty much everything except foreign languages. Math, chemistry, physics, biology, english and history.

I’ve worked as a business consultant, I’ve worked in advertising, I’ve worked doing field work, I’ve done research (I can dig through pretty much any library), I’ve done public relations for a small firm, worked as a lobbyist. My 6 month job had me overhauling their database system to upgrade it and create an online catalogue.

I’ve done, many, many different things over the years to pay the bills.

My second field is database entry, and inventory/delivery. I’ve done just about every job in a warehouse save forklift and I am considering going back and picking up that certification.


171 posted on 05/12/2012 1:54:01 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge
Stop taking it from my pocket and we have a deal.

Let's get something straight, here. I haven't taken a dime out of your pocket. I haven't collected any Social Security, and may never.

There are no guarantees in life.

There have been bad years, where the savings are consumed, and then you start all over again from scratch. I have done that a few times over the years. It is feast or famine, and not uncommon to pay more in taxes one year than you made the previous one.

Still, the money I have paid in is a healthy six figure sum.

I just want a shot, that’s all I ask

Maybe I missed it, but what do you do?

172 posted on 05/12/2012 1:54:56 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Your original rant spoke to grandfathering pensions and now you are talking about grandfathering people. And I went to the trouble of showing you that pensions are not secure for those that have them.

Entitlements? I thought we were talking about jobs.

Public service pension reform? Don't think many Freepers will disagree with that.

they’d rather crash the system, so long as they get theirs Okay, I'm going out on a limb here, and assue that the "they" you are referring to is people over 55. So you think someone over 55 should voluntarily give up their job, is that what you are saying?

173 posted on 05/12/2012 1:56:29 PM PDT by LSAggie
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To: nodumbblonde

We get a lot of great consultants because their portfolios are busted and see no sign of recover. Most are simply doing good to stay even and being engineers can do the math to see when the nest egg runs empty far before their life force does.

They are in demand now. I hope it holds out long enough for some kind of true recovery but I am afraid it will not hold out and any recovery will be long in the making.


174 posted on 05/12/2012 1:57:05 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Kaslin

Well, when they get out of college do they know how to read?


175 posted on 05/12/2012 1:57:49 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

>>prior to the central bank, they couldn’t just ‘print money’ to pay their bills.

Oh that’s right suuuper genius — prior to the Central Bank, every local, regional, and corner bank printed its own counterfeitable currency. Great Idea. Not.

And after all, Alan “The Wizard” Greenspan’s free market sooo demonstrated it could police itself.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-11/ex-ge-bankers-convicted-of-municipal-bond-bid-rig-scheme.html

Not.

What is the purpose of government articulated in the American Declaration of Independence?

>>boomers have been tearing down the west pretty much constantly?

Those who can Do, those who can’t Teach.   Which are you, Junior — fixing to lead the proletariat from the Edumacational Farmhouse as you are {cough}.

What of value have you produced in the real world that American children should be taught, hmmm?  "Teacher".  Indeed.

Awe,  those old farts won't fall on their swords so Comrade Breckenridge can have a  job.  Boohoo.

 

From each according to their ability, to each according to their need, that how it goes in Breckenworld, ehh?

 

176 posted on 05/12/2012 1:58:59 PM PDT by wm25burke
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To: LSAggie

I’m saying they should agree to public service pension reform rather then simply grandfathering out new hires as an ineffective stopgap.

Public sector pensions are just killing us right now - we could probably salvage the rest if the public sector were to pay 50 percent.


177 posted on 05/12/2012 2:01:24 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge

Stop working to pay the bills!

Can you not comprehend what is being written and shared with you? Or are you being purposely obtuse?

No offense, but a forklift certification isn’t going to advance you teaching career now is it. And be aware I was an EHS manager...I certified forklift drivers! It’s not a big deal to get certified, it is only an OSHA requirement. Not impressed unless you are going to be working in my warehouse.


178 posted on 05/12/2012 2:01:39 PM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: Jim from C-Town
I have taken out zero. I have paid the max in some years, not in others, and it is a moving target (used to be under $30K, now over $100K taxable). Now add in what my employers paid (or I did as self-employment tax), because that went in, too, and efectively doubles it.

I'm in the tail end of the 'boom', and I doubt I'll ever get a dime back.

Life ain't fair, and people should be aware of that.

As for getting it all back in 2 1/2 years? No, not even close.

I'll work 'till I drop anyway, and if Obummercare goes through, only remarkable health will let me live much past 70 or 80 anyway, even though I have relatives well into their 90s.

179 posted on 05/12/2012 2:12:20 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: wm25burke

“What is the purpose of government articulated in the American Declaration of Independence?”

In the preamble?

“That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”

“fixing to lead the proletariat from the Edumacational Farmhouse”

No, sir. My aim is to teach them what the Church teaches, and why so that they can understand.

“What of value have you produced in the real world that American children”

I’ve actually taught them about Natural rights, what they mean, that we don’t have a right not to be offended, and that we don’t have a right to be happy. We have the right to pursue it, but that is not the same as the right to be happy.

That rights themselves come from God and not the government, and that the foremost duty of the government is to protect, not procure these rights.

I have taught, that America is an experiment in republicanism, and how that differs from a democracy.

I have taught separation of powers, and the idea that because men are corrupt we must issue constraints on the government.

“From each according to their ability, to each according to their need, that how it goes in Breckenworld, ehh?”

“a general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death.”


180 posted on 05/12/2012 2:12:34 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge

[Apparently I’m the enemy of the boomers for wanting to fix the system outright]

Because those evile old farts won’t “give” you a job. Uhuh. How’s that excuse workin’ for ya Mr./Ms. Vanguard Edumacational Ladder Climber?

Furthermore, “Teachers” {at least those for whom “teaching” is a “job”} don’t fix the system, Junior - PRODUCERS do.

Some of the most successful teachers I’ve ever observed also were involved in one or more family businesses.  So let us ask the good Lutheran question - What does this mean?


181 posted on 05/12/2012 2:15:25 PM PDT by wm25burke
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To: EBH

“Can you not comprehend what is being written and shared with you? Or are you being purposely obtuse?”

So your advice is what - go back to school and become an engineer? And just how am I supposed to pay for that sort of thing?

“No offense, but a forklift certification isn’t going to advance you teaching career now is it. And be aware I was an EHS manager...I certified forklift drivers! It’s not a big deal to get certified, it is only an OSHA requirement. Not impressed unless you are going to be working in my warehouse.”

So, rather then simply wait around and work odd jobs, I can work in a warehouse and make more money at present - and there is demand for this at present.

That doesn’t prevent me from continuing to apply for teaching positions, or from taking said positions, or even from continuing to work at my present job where I am accruing relevant work experience.


182 posted on 05/12/2012 2:17:42 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Maybe I missed it, but what do you do?”

I teach. I am looking for a fulltime position - I work part time for a Catholic private school.


183 posted on 05/12/2012 2:19:21 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: wm25burke

“Some of the most successful teachers I’ve ever observed also were involved in one or more family businesses. So let us ask the good Lutheran question - What does this mean?”

Well, seeing as my family are teachers. ;)

I am in the family business more or less.


184 posted on 05/12/2012 2:22:51 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge
You are the kind of teacher this country so desperately needs now. It is teachers such as you that built this great nation. Bless your beautiful heart for the heavy load you are carrying now. To have such a wonderful gift and love for teaching and yet, you are held in such low esteem among your peers and misunderstood by those that should know better.

I know it is very frustrating right now especially when you see people so blind to the danger that is before them. I have always taught my children and grandchildren the following. If someone asked you how you feel whether than what you think about any topic, then take this person with a grain of salt. Always question what they say and never accept their views as fact.

Please hang in there and do not give up. At my age, I still have not given up because for every one person that you instill they are capable of beyond mediocrity and can rise above any obstacle set before them, will in turn teach those behind them.

Please know that in the circle you are in, boomers like me are rare but in the entire country, we are the majority. Thank you for taking the time to have an open discussion and allowing me the opportunity to know a great person. Never give up and if I may, call you my friend.

185 posted on 05/12/2012 2:32:48 PM PDT by Two-Bits (Failure to know history is sadly a way to repeat some of the most evil ever done.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

[Unlike the tie-dyed, fringed, dope smoking, zoned out, self-satisfied boomers?]

Tsk Tsk Mr/Ms Breckenridge. Wobbling that hemp straw-man in a 1968 flower jackwagon down the hill from your Ivory Tower is not a substitute for an answer.

I'll repeat/rephrase the questions:

1. Tell the class why the Soviet collective had to build a wall to contain its bipedal property in order to maintain the “soundness” of its monetary system?

2. In your own words, what is your proposal for rendering “sound money” in a quantifiable medium that is conducive to commerce in this multinational post-modern technocracy?

3. What is the purpose of government articulated in the American Declaration of Independence?

Surely, given the vast warehouse of experience at your disposal, rendering an actual answer shouldn't be so difficult... especially for someone who presumes to be a "teacher".

 


186 posted on 05/12/2012 2:33:07 PM PDT by wm25burke
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To: JCBreckenridge
I’m saying they should agree to public service pension reform rather then simply grandfathering out new hires as an ineffective stopgap.

No, you are talking about one specific industry, education. There is no "they" in your comments, only "other teachers who are in competition with me." This whole thing, starting with your wrong assumption about boomers voting for Obama, is nothing more than a gripe about the educational retirement system, not the fact that Boomers may or may not be employed at a higher rate than non-boomers.

As they say on Shark Tank--"I'm out."

187 posted on 05/12/2012 2:37:39 PM PDT by LSAggie
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To: JCBreckenridge
teacher who has a forklift certification

vs.

...teacher who evaluates historical documents in the public domain San Antonio, TX

...Create and provide accurate and compelling Living History presentations that meet the standards of the National Park Service

...Act as costumed Museum teacher to communicate historical information to the public and schools


Which would you want to interview first JCBreckenridge to be a teacher? You see JCBreckenridge you don't want to grow and you have a narrow view of what you think you need to do. Instead you continue to choose to work another odd job (forklift operator), instead of looking into a field of teaching that would expand your horizons and teaching skills. Like being able to talk to the public and parents...

JCBreckenridge, based on this Internet conversation you do not demonstrate the needed aptitude to succeed. I appreciate your willingness to work hard, but you need to learn to work smarter.

Good luck with your chosen endeavors.

188 posted on 05/12/2012 2:41:23 PM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: JCBreckenridge

>>Well, seeing as my family are teachers. ;)

Multiple generations of failure are observably symptomatic in the condition that constitutes America’s decline.

Were they “given” a “teaching” job - or did they earn the responsibility of being a teacher?


189 posted on 05/12/2012 2:41:28 PM PDT by wm25burke
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To: JCBreckenridge
Ooh, a history degree. Now there is a field ripe with opportunity. Plenty of burger flippers with those liberal arts type degrees. Great career planning.

Oh, I forgot the Gen-x/y/x mantra: Like dude, math is too hard man............How do you think your employment prospects would be with a science degree?

OTOH, have not seen such a good whine fest from a noob in a long time.

190 posted on 05/12/2012 2:52:42 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: joeystoy

I’m 62, currently unemployed. Waiting on two possible job offers. I’m with you. I will work til i can’t work anymore.


191 posted on 05/12/2012 3:04:56 PM PDT by PaulZe
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To: Smokin' Joe

It all depends onage. Like all good Ponzi schemes Social Security has stretched so long many of the early ‘investors’ have been handsomely cashed out and are now no longer with us.

If you are at the end of the boomers, you would be fifty or so. That is almost as bad of a position as being in your mid thirties to forties.

I understand cpompletely what you are sayin. Social Security should be entirely ended as we kno it, but it is too late for most of us.

I have paid in well over a hundred thousand dollars and that doesn’t incl;ude my employers. I have topped out many years botha s an employee and as self employed. Self employed hurts more, even though the money is the same regardless.

The point to the graph is that the older generations loose their jobs less frequewntly. Many are recipoients of both private and public sector union benefits as well as EEOC rules pertaining to age discrimination.

I have grown to be quite callous about the older generation, particularly ‘the Greatest Generation’ after all they brought us FDR, LBJ, and Carter. They did alot of dammage to the future, as wel;las many great things.

Of course we are all victims of our own time.


192 posted on 05/12/2012 3:10:22 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Kaslin

Boomers are mostly white and well educated. They came up at a time when the elite respected them enough to educate them and employers had ethics and high expectations. Now they import foreigners for college slots and neglect the public school children with dumbed down teachers and liberalism’s social retardation.

In addition, we have filled up the country with a replacement generation from the third world. Many don’t enter the nation legally and many don’t even finish high school. While doing this, we exported semi-skilled jobs to China and India. Welfare looks fine. When boomers are not around to pull the cart anymore, look out. They should be counting their lucky stars that boomers are still working.


193 posted on 05/12/2012 3:36:34 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: JCBreckenridge

[That doesn’t prevent me from continuing to apply for teaching positions,]

There is a plethora of positions from which one can Teach, Mr./Ms. Breckenridge - and very few of them are paid “Teaching Positions”.

Seems to me your angst is rooted in an inability to extract monetary gain from “teaching” - like the other members of your family in “the business” evidently did.

Did they own the warehouse and tree business where you claim to have worked? No? Then I conclude you’re just a disingenuous arrogant twit who hasn’t earned the right of comparison to the teachers I’ve observed.  They taught by example because they loved doing so - and sometimes in situations where it was dangerous to do so.  They did so for little or no monetary gain.

And they didn't waste bandwidth whining because they're not going to get a retirement handed to them like the LIFER teat sucklers who came before you.


194 posted on 05/12/2012 3:59:06 PM PDT by wm25burke
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To: JCBreckenridge

>>My aim is to teach them what the Church teaches,

Which "Church"? The proper purview for that is within PARENT's scope of authority, not yours as a public school employee.


>>That to secure these rights,

To secure them from what?


>>I’ve actually taught them about Natural rights,

I asked what you PRODUCED not what you allegedly think you "taught".

Those who can DO, those who can't "teach".

What have you DONE, what have you PRODUCED, other than regurgitating your political/religious opinions upon a captive audience?

Sorry, but "how to pursue happiness as a warehouse forklift driver" isn't high on the list of skills I'd like my children to learn from my public employees in their classroom.

When you've demonstrated a self-funding ability to "pursue happiness" without suckling from a government teat, you're free to apply again. 

Next applicant please?

195 posted on 05/12/2012 4:00:01 PM PDT by wm25burke
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To: Clara Lou

I think this is ridiculous. I’m a boomer and I was laid off at 51. Most of the people in my “class” had grey hair. And these people were the cream of their workforce, not clock watchers. There were no “young people.” When companies lay-off, they pick the old ones because they cost more...higher salaries, high healthcare costs. And yeah, some companies don’t want to pay them the pension they promised, so they let them go before they reach eligibility age. We all have to face competition for jobs, and the competition is fierce right now. Nobody is stealing anything.


196 posted on 05/12/2012 4:00:18 PM PDT by virgil
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To: virgil

As a Texas teacher, I can tell you that it’s true. They make life difficult for the older, more experienced teachers (who can run a classroom and handle discipline most effectively [usually]). That leaves them with the young teachers of 0-3 years experience who can’t dress professionally, get to work on time (or even at all), make it to duty, complete professional tasks, etc. And they can’t handle student discipline so that the students take over the classroom. The students don’t learn and the young teacher winds up in tears.

Then, to top it all off, administrators cry because they have no experienced teachers to mentor new teachers.

Education is a joke that I lay at the feet of the people who do not work directly in the classroom— and that goes all the way to the state capital and D.C.


197 posted on 05/12/2012 4:16:35 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: 9YearLurker

More likely, boomers WILL work and are grateful to have jobs. They are also less likely to bitch, file lawsuits, make harassment complaints or take unscheduled days off.

If I was a personal officer, the only people I would consider would be boomers and honorably discharged veterans. The rest could take a flying leaps at rolling donuts.


198 posted on 05/12/2012 4:25:26 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: television is just wrong
I feel they are stealling jobs from me.

That's a feeling. The fact is they are not stealing anything. They just are not retiring as early. This is how it was for most of history. Older folks died in their work clothes. The concept of 'retirement' for the general population is relatively new.

Take consolation in knowing that there is a limited supply of boomers and we are dying off. While we are alive, we are more and more supporting our adult children. And a lot of us had less children so there be jobs.

199 posted on 05/12/2012 4:27:06 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Trteamer

My most applicable skill as a recent graduate (graduated today in fact with a B.S. in Economics) would be my econometric skills.

I can model near anything using different regression techniques and I also have experience with forecasting.

I have the qualifications for any entry level data analysis/forecasting position. Unfortunately those positions are being taken by those with either A) Higher Education (PhD, Masters) or B) 3-5 years of experience.

Problem A I can address through obtaining a Masters in Economics, problem B not so much.

My whole point in this thread is that the older generation, while having some brilliant reasons to dislike the younger generation, should be encouraging and mentoring us. They will be gone eventually and the world will be left to us, we could use some FRiendly advice and mentoring.


200 posted on 05/12/2012 4:28:25 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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