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China issues warnings on Philippines
Energy Daily ^ | May12, 2012

Posted on 05/11/2012 12:25:01 PM PDT by robowombat

China told its citizens Thursday they were not safe in the Philippines and its state media warned of war, as a month-long row over rival claims in the South China Sea threatened to spill out of control.

Chinese travel agencies announced they had suspended tours to the Philippines, under government orders, and the embassy in Manila advised its nationals already in the country to stay indoors ahead of planned protests.

"Avoid going out at all if possible, and if not, to avoid going out alone. If you come across any demonstrations, leave the area, do not stay to watch," the embassy's advisory said.

The safety alerts came as government-controlled media in China warned the country was prepared to go to war to end the stand-off over Scarborough Shoal -- small islands in the South China Sea that both nations claim as their own.

"No matter how willing we are to discuss the issue, the current Philippine leadership is intent on pressing us into a corner where there is no other option left but the use of arms," the China Daily said in an editorial.

"Manila is living in a fantasy world if it mistakes our forbearance for timidity."

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said China was committed to a peaceful resolution.

But the editorial echoed other warnings in recent weeks in the state-run media that China was prepared to use its massive military advantage to crush the Philippines' challenge for the shoal.

The two nations have had non-military vessels stationed at the shoal since April 8 in an effort to assert their sovereignty to the area.

The dispute began when Philippine authorities detected Chinese ships fishing there. They attempted to arrest the crew, but were blocked by Chinese surveillance vessels that were quickly deployed to the area.

The Philippines insists its claims to the area are backed by international law, as the shoal is well within its 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone.

The shoal sits about 230 kilometres (140 miles) from the Philippines' main island of Luzon. The nearest major Chinese landmass is 1,200 kilometres northwest of the shoal, according to Filipino navy maps.

But China claims virtually all of the South China Sea as its territory, even waters close to the coasts of the Philippines and other Asian countries.

Taiwan, Brunei, Vietnam and Malaysia also claim parts of the sea, which is believed to sit atop vast oil and gas resources. The rival claims have for decades made the waters one of Asia's potential military flashpoints.

The Philippines, which admits to having an extremely weak military, has repeatedly said it wants to solve the stand-off over the shoal through diplomatic means.

But it has also said it secured a pledge from the United States, its main military ally, to protect the Philippines from attacks in the South China Sea.

A coalition of Filipino activist groups is planning to hold rallies at Chinese embassies around the world on Friday to support the Philippines in the dispute.

Organisers are hoping thousands of people will attend what they expect to be the biggest of the rallies, in Manila, and the Chinese embassy's safety alert was circulated chiefly to warn its nationals about that protest.

But Jackson Gan, a Filipino-Chinese businessman who is one the rally's organisers, said there was no need for such a warning because the protest would not target individuals and there had been no inciting of violence.

"This is going to be peaceful. No burning of Chinese flags, just singing of patriotic songs and making our presence felt," Gan told AFP.

Philippine foreign department spokesman Raul Hernandez also said Chinese nationals were in no danger of being attacked because of the diplomatic tensions.

"The Philippines remains a safe and welcoming country," he told AFP, adding Friday's protesters would not target Chinese people.

"There is nothing for our Chinese friends to be apprehensive about regarding this protest action."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china

1 posted on 05/11/2012 12:25:07 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Seems Obamas midas touch is just bring peace out everywhere.


2 posted on 05/11/2012 12:26:25 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: robowombat

So what did China do to the Philippines that the latter finally said enough?


3 posted on 05/11/2012 12:27:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: robowombat

enough => “enough”


4 posted on 05/11/2012 12:27:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: robowombat

I think they are little “short” on manpower.


5 posted on 05/11/2012 12:27:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: robowombat
Funny how the Philippines who were all eager to kick the US military out of there a decade or more ago are begging us to come back. /src on/Those used Coast Guard cutters that are the backbone of the Philippines navy sure scared the Chinese./src off/
6 posted on 05/11/2012 12:30:14 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: robowombat

So if war should break out between China and the Philippines, do they expect the United States to come to the aid of the Philippines? What if China can afford to spend more on warfare than the U.S.A. can? That’s how the U.S.A. won the Cold War against the Soviet Union.


7 posted on 05/11/2012 12:35:04 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout fire in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth. " J. Goldberg)
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To: robowombat

Let the Phillipines fend for themselves. Not one drop of American blood for them.


8 posted on 05/11/2012 12:43:59 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Savage Beast

Yes, excellent point. Combine this article with this one posted just before: ‘China’s CNOOC starts deepwater drilling’ and one gets a clear idea of China’s strategy and its feelings of regional invulnerability. Incidentally the Japanese also claimed control over all the off shore reefs and islands in the South China Sea prior to Dec 1941. That was for military operational reasons. The Chinese have amuch longer meditated and more sophisticated strategy in mind. This is the start of the territorial expansion of the PRC into the the south sea ocean region. If I were the Russians I would be very interested in keeping the Han people from immigrating into eastern Siberia and the Pacific region of Russia. The Chinese will make the security problems with the Muzzies look like child’s play.


9 posted on 05/11/2012 12:45:59 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

For this reason alone, I’d support some U.S. sabre rattling on the Philippines behalf


10 posted on 05/11/2012 12:55:45 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: unkus
True enough unless the flips would do what they never will; offer the US an ironclad lease on Subic bay and the site of former Clark AFB and sign up for the massive capital goods bill for recreating those bases this along with a SOFA absolutely excluding flipland from having any jurisdiction whatever over any US Service member or DOD or US Govt civilian employee or contractor US or third country. Then, and only then would it be worth it to extend the US naval shield over the South China Sea islands. That could provide the USN with some well needed operational experience against a near peer competitor. It would also probably force the PRC to back down for now. This of course will never happen as the USG is to sappy and weekkneed to actually bargain in a hard headed way for direct US interests.

This Chinese demarche with flipland, and it is a demarche, sets the stage for an eventual confrontation over Taiwan. There is a thousand miles of ocean between Taiwan and Japan and the PRC is going to appear in those waters in increasing strength. There are also a number of bits of land and reefs in those waters that they will claim as theirs once the PRC fleet is powerful enough to risk a PRC-US/Jap confrontation. Mark my words a collision as potentially great as the US Japan one from 1937 on is brewing in the western Pac.

11 posted on 05/11/2012 12:57:39 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
The Russian population demographics will have essentially transferred Siberia to China within decades.

Australians would be wise to cultivate an alliance with India.

American Leftists living in La La Land are in for a nasty awakening when they wake up and realize that they are Chinese slaves. Those who can't get over their fixation on European/Amerian racism will have an additional frisson when they encounter Asian--especially Chinese--racism.

American Leftists are stupid. Anyone who empowers or even respects them and their agenda is stupid.

12 posted on 05/11/2012 1:15:02 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout fire in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth. " J. Goldberg)
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To: robowombat
The Russian population demographics will have essentially transferred Siberia to China within decades.

Australians would be wise to cultivate an alliance with India.

American Leftists living in La La Land are in for a nasty awakening when they wake up and realize that they are Chinese slaves. Those who can't get over their fixation on European/Amerian racism will have an additional frisson when they encounter Asian--especially Chinese--racism.

American Leftists are stupid. Anyone who empowers or even respects them and their agenda is stupid.

13 posted on 05/11/2012 1:15:06 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout fire in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth. " J. Goldberg)
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To: AlexW; Berosus; buwaya; DFG; knarf; LadyDoc; Mark17; max americana; ut1992
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14 posted on 05/11/2012 1:17:34 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Savage Beast
“So if war should break out between China and the Philippines, do they expect the United States to come to the aid of the Philippines?”

The Philippine Navy is much to speak off. Fortunately for them though, the Chinese Navy isn't either, especially if considered for the objective of projecting power. So, I'm thinking this is just a bunch of noise by both. However, China is working very hard on building up a blue water navy so to be capable of playing offense whenever it chooses - stay tuned....

15 posted on 05/11/2012 1:29:16 PM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: Savage Beast

What you said.


16 posted on 05/11/2012 1:31:23 PM PDT by Williams (Nobama)
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To: robowombat

Mark my words a collision as potentially great as the US Japan one from 1937 on is brewing in the western Pac.-


You’re exactly right.

“Peace Through Strength” no longer applies. Or soon won’t apply.


17 posted on 05/11/2012 1:37:29 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus

Note the article ‘Chinese cities coming to America’ for another arm of the Chinese hydra. Also note that some think this phenomenon is both hunky and dory.


18 posted on 05/11/2012 1:45:32 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Throughout history great nations have experienced great tragedies. The United States has been spared so far.

We are being set up for the greatest military and economic “hit” in world history. IMO

The fat, spoiled kid is in for a rude spanking and nasty diet.


19 posted on 05/11/2012 1:53:21 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus
In one of the early segments of the ‘Victory at Sea’ series is a five minute or so segment devoted to the IJN. It is made up of grainy clips from Japanese propaganda films of fleet reviews and naval maneuvers and old news reels showing Admiral Togo's state funeral. This segment always sends a real shiver up the spine. The picture of a highly technically proficient force led by dedicated and suicidally brave men preparing for the inevitable clash with the western powers. Americans would do well to ponder on that film and think what it might be a warning of.
20 posted on 05/11/2012 2:03:26 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Americans would do well to ponder on that film and think what it might be a warning of.


You’re absolutely right.

But most Americans are too complacent and ignorant of what we are facing in the world. They will see the “warning” when it kicks their behinds into the next county. Or literally kills them.


21 posted on 05/11/2012 2:07:33 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: robowombat

BTW, I have Victory at Sea on CD’s.


22 posted on 05/11/2012 2:08:53 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus
Throughout history great nations have experienced great tragedies. The United States has been spared so far.

You forgot about the events of 1861-1865.

23 posted on 05/11/2012 2:13:10 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Inyo-Mono

You’re right. We’re due for far worse.


24 posted on 05/11/2012 2:18:19 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: snoringbear
Excluding patrol vessels of various sizes, their navy has 14 combat ships, with none of them bigger than a frigate. The main striking power of their air force are their OV-10 Broncos. Their armed forces are designed for counter insurgency operations and not much else. Even though I am skeptical of the Chinese ability to conduct high tempo, complex ops, they're going to take care of any threat the Philippines has to offer pretty fast if the shooting starts.
25 posted on 05/11/2012 2:20:45 PM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: robowombat

America under Obama WILL DO NOTHING, and the Chinese know it.

All they have to do is blip the US treasuries and currency markets with their huge holdings, and the Messiah will be on his knees BEGGING them to take the entire Phillipines, in fear of losing reelection..


26 posted on 05/11/2012 2:25:57 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: robowombat

Given the range of Chinese & Korean (NK) rocketry I think that the defensive line needs to be further out — like Australia. The Philippines won’t be housing any major bases unless they are Chinese.


27 posted on 05/11/2012 3:50:43 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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Someone wants the Straits of Molocca and any oil in the vicinity.....

Oil Choke Points (there are 7)
http://www.sldinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/graph.jpg

Malay Archipelago
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/359679/Malay-Archipelago

“Dangerous Straits”
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/10/malacca-strait-pirates/pirates-text

And, recall that Malaysia and Thailand are experiencing AQ violence. Someones elses wants the Straits of Molacca.

Molacca Mosque
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulau_Melaka


28 posted on 05/11/2012 4:12:22 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Tallguy

read the Congressional Research Study on the Chinese Second and Third Island Defense Chain. Second includes Guam. Anderson AFB is a major target. Hawaii is in China’s Third Defense Chain.

China is using the same UNCLOS to tell Japan it can’t have Okinotorishima Shoal, yet is ignoring the UNCLOS over Scarborough Shoal.

http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/3697
(bad English, but you can understand enough details)


29 posted on 05/11/2012 6:07:34 PM PDT by shadowrider
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To: aegiscg47

“they’re going to take care of any threat the Philippines has to offer pretty fast if the shooting starts.”

Agree with what you say. I believe though its the chinese whos making the threats - which means that they would be on offense. Thereby the chinese are the one’s who would be obligated to project power.


30 posted on 05/12/2012 7:14:19 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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