Rhineland 1936
"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
Posted on 05/10/2012 2:38:16 PM PDT by MrDaddyLongLegs
MANILA (AFP) - China told its citizens Thursday they were not safe in the Philippines and its state media warned of war, as a month-long row over rival claims in the South China Sea threatened to spill out of control.
Chinese travel agencies announced they had suspended tours to the Philippines, under government orders, and the embassy in Manila advised its nationals already in the country to stay indoors ahead of planned protests.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13654401/china-warns-citizens-as-row-with-philippines-escalates/
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Guess they will be carrying their long range missles with them as they probably wouldn’t make the trip otherwise.
Unfortunately for the Philippines 0bammy is on China’s side.
Guess they wish now that they didn’t kick us out of Subic Bay.
The Filipino military is not even a threat to anyone.
Good thing the Phillipine left got the Americans out of their bases there. Because after all, it’s those imperialistic Americans who are the real bad guys.../s
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I am fine with it as long as the chinese only take out the far south west part of the phillipeans....
Then they should leave....
It would solve a lot of the problems the Phillipeans have with the ROPers.
The shoal sits about 230 kilometres (140 miles) from the Philippines' main island of Luzon. The nearest major Chinese landmass is 1,200 kilometres northwest of the shoal, according to Filipino navy maps.
But China claims virtually all of the South China Sea as its territory, even waters close to the coasts of the Philippines and other Asian countries.
Taiwan, Brunei, Vietnam and Malaysia also claim parts of the sea, which is believed to sit atop vast oil and gas resources. The rival claims have for decades made the waters one of Asia's potential military flashpoints.
The Philippines, which admits to having an extremely weak military, has repeatedly said it wants to solve the stand-off over the shoal through diplomatic means.
But it has also said it secured a pledge from the United States, its main military ally, to protect the Philippines from attacks in the South China Sea.
Many of the financial and other ranking institutions in the Philippines are owned or controlled by Chinese. They’ve been in the PI for centuries.
China is seeing if it can push the Philippines around without blow-back. Something like events in the late 1930’s. If they get no push-back, then they will pick a fight with Taiwan next.
With Obama in the White House and the Democraps controlling the Senate that pledge is not worth the breath Obama used to utter the words.
Rhineland 1936
"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana
Yes, unfortunately his position may “evolve.” Especially if his daughters are fond of Chinese food.
Holy Bataan!
They’re a little “short” on manpower.
Yuppers. I predicted back when that the PI would live to regret their stupid progressive policies. Still, bet we put mucho deniro and military personnel to defend their ungrateful ass.
The worlds is not stupid. When Obambi did his "apology tour" and bowed to everyone but the Queen of England, did not us political junkies not see this coming? Sheesh, even Bill Clinton understood that right is might, even if his b*tch wife didn't.
As political as our upper brass military is, I would bet a $1000 dollars that the majority have palm to face. They may have political aspirations, but I believe they want USA defense.
Does the Philippines even have an air force?
Of course not. They are a third-world country and had the stupidity to kick out their greatest ally/protector.
If China wants them, fine. I'm sick of spending our blood and treasure on such ungrateful short-sighted peoples. Yes, I know it's more complex than that, but as long as we have our Tridents, I'm good. Let China become a regional power. I doubt they will cause too much trouble because they want the world to buy their products.
I also say pull our thousands of troops out of South Korea, Japan, and parts of Europe. Let them spend their bucks to defend their own people. Again, it's complicated, but I think we could bring so many troops home and give them priority for jobs. If I were King of the World for just one day!...har.
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It is not good be a potential enemy of the USA. But to be a stated friend and ally dependent upon the America’s word for assistance when international power plays are being made, can be truly dangerous.
It is not good be a potential enemy of the USA. But to be a stated friend and ally dependent upon America’s word for assistance when international power plays are being made can be truly dangerous.
We still have troops in Mindanao. This has the potential of dragging us into their squabble over a reef.
Does the Philippines even have an air force?
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Surplus US helicopters from Vietnam ,, more dangerous to the crews than any enemy.
Well, Mt. Pinatubo took care of that :p
Pull all our boys and girls out. I'm tired of seeing our Vets come back in boxes or with limbs missing for ungrateful cultures. Like I said above, we have Tridents. We need a Bolton to tell the world in no uncertain terms that is time for you to defends yourselves, but if you or your proxies hit us, we will turn you into ash. Then say, we would like to continue to fair trade.
China WILL become the regional power. So what? Our latest worry is about Russia threatening NATO, which I believe should be disbanded. Russia won't attack us because they love their children and believe in MAD. I think China does, also. It's the ME and the Norks that are the worry. I say kill them all now like we did with Germany. Don't worry about collateral damage...better woman and children than ours.
So it’s not all about ocean routes after all. It’s also about oil.
Lumpia Airlines I believe...
Add South Korea, which has a plurality of Christians though not an absolute majority, and we agree.
I agree with others on this thread that this may be a case of “let's see how far we can push things” with an eventual goal of forcing Taiwan into submission, but the issue of oil and natural gas fields could be enough to prompt action against the Philippines entirely on its own.
Supposing China takes over the Philipines. On the plus side, I don’t think the Chicoms would be quite so sanguine about the local El Qaeda franchise decapitating communist officials as the Philipino government has been about them decapitating Catholic priests.
Agreed. All Chinese see the situation from their history of having been occupied by various western empires (past) and their view of the Yellow River leading to the ocean (future). With our national political attitude as it is, China will absorb other Chinese culture countries and clear routes for whatever they want around Southeast Asia.
Meanwhile, yes. We should be denazifying the Middle East instead of turning the West into an impoverished set of police states. In the following, we can learn about what our ancestors were capable of.
Denazification, cumulative review. Report, 1 April 1947-30 April 1948.
http://digital.library.wisc.edu/1711.dl/History.Denazi
We will not go to war over the Phillipines.
Heck, we won’t go to war over Hawaii right now.
They, and all of Asia, are on their own. Sadly.
this war shoild last about 30 minutes.
I think we should at the very least, help rebuild the Japanese navy and air force seeing that we pretty much forced them to not have either for 60 years. In hindsight, one of the dumbest moves we have ever made.
We did it because they would have tried to have another go if we didn’t.
Today it is to late. A nation of old men will not fight a war. If we want to project power, and help our allies, send a lot of hardwar to the Phillipnes.
I agree. This pseudo Empire game has gotten old.
Nations, like families, need to practice tough love at times. We have been playing policeman for to long.
We have an office in Clark AB which has been converted into an economic free zone. Been there countless times. Half of the huge base (took us an entire day to navigate through the empty buildings) but the infrastructure is still there.
Hmmmm, not so sure as China would start eliminating the muzzies.
Yes, but they’re busy spraying crops right now.
Thought they had learned their lesson when a Volcano destroyed Clark Field. :)
I flew out of there in June of 1965, they threw us out shortly thereafter.
I don’t know why we stillhave troops in Europe or Japan and I know we already got booted from the Philippines. But I think we should still help South Korea as much as they need to counter North Korea. (not as many troops as we have there of course)
Hey China! Vietnam has been saying that you couldn’t beat a drum! They say that you’re all mouth and no muscle! They’re claiming they kicked your behinds back home the last time you messed with them! Are you going to let them get away with that kind of talk?
More news from China. The Red Dragon truly is rising. Thanks, Clinton.
Thanks MrDaddyLongLegs. President Halfofagaycouple will have Hillary make a strongly worded response.
I don’t get your point. The Rhineland was Germany’s own territory. China and the Phillipines are two entirely different countries.
So, let China freely go on a reign of terror and expansionism in Southeast Asia and just look the other way? That’s a real “stick your head in the sand” read on world history. Seems you forgot all about Pearl Harbor for one thing, not to mention the Cold War.
I don’t care if they wanted our troops there in the past or not. They’re not people who ever attacked us, they’re a democratic, capitalist, Christian, English-speaking nation and they are a longtime diplomatic and economic ally. The idea that the U.S. would stand by and let them get swallowed up by a dictatorial communist tyranny is absolutely appalling, indecent and immoral. If anything this is an opportunity we should take to reestablish a broader military partnership.
Not to mention it would only lay the ground for China to continue a reign of terror and gobble up resources and land just like Japan leading up to WW2. It would be the height of ignorance to believe that is in our best interests. First they came for the Filipinos, and I said nothing....
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