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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2879805/posts?q=1&;page=1#1 ^ | May 6, 2012 | Seizethecarp

Posted on 05/06/2012 8:09:35 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

Attention "Anyone But Obama" (ABO) FReepers! If you go to the thread at the link you will will see that JimRob has "declared a truce" and hundreds of ABO FReepers are now vigorously defending their belief, which I share, that the ineligible Marxist Manchurian MUST BE DEFEATED to preserve the Republic...without fear of "the ZOT"! Please consider a DONATION not just to fund renewal of expression and amplification of your ABO views, but let's over-achieve this FReepathon to get JR his new equipment!

IMO, Free Republic and FReepers could be vital in swing states in rallying just enough conservatives to tip the election and prevent our troops from having to salute for even one day longer than necessary an ineligible Marxist committed to destroying the USA !


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To: sagar
Islam preaches dominance of the soul, body, family, nation, and the world. In order to accomplish complete dominance.

True, and their violence seems to keep them on the front page in order to expose them. Which is a good thing.

However your list would encompase other Religions or Organizations as well. Who have political agendas and a stronghold over their followers.

The difference is they generally are not reported about as not seen as violent ....though we do now know there's "Stealth Jihad" happening across the nation ...as well as the Socialist take over...which is their religion.

301 posted on 05/06/2012 3:30:40 PM PDT by caww
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To: CatherineofAragon

“A thing can’t be demonized that already demonizes itself.”

Based on that post.

Will Jews go to heaven.


302 posted on 05/06/2012 3:30:54 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: eastforker; Jim Robinson; greyfoxx39; AnTiw1; MHGinTN; Elsie

Oh quit your whining, EF. Freedom of speech and freedom of Religion goes both ways.

No ones is calling for Mormons to be burned at the Stake. Most of the posts and thread are direct quotes from the LDS.

Speaking the truth about Mormonism isn’t hate. If you don’t want to see threads on Mormonism, do not click ‘everything’ on the side.

BTW, Mormonism is anti-Christian. And I can source that.


303 posted on 05/06/2012 3:31:48 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: muawiyah

“You are campaigning for Romney and claiming people who don’t commit for him right now are Obama supporters.”

Is there another Republican candidate who has a chance of obtaining the GOP nomination?

Like I’ve said before, go cash your govt check.


304 posted on 05/06/2012 3:32:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Lazamataz

Quite the list there Laz...but then He did say there would be ‘many’ did he not?


305 posted on 05/06/2012 3:33:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: jjotto

I used Mussolini because he was considered the lesser of two evils, in the Hitler/Mussolini comparison. Also he was a fascist (closet socialist/corporate nepotist) to Hitler’s version of nationalized “master race” socialism.


306 posted on 05/06/2012 3:33:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

"Being called a satanist isn’t regarded as bad if you actually are one. If you are called one but aren’t one, that’s a legitimate complaint and I am with you there."

I was called a satanist, but I am not one. I believe in Jesus Christ. In fact, I will go further and say I know that He exists, and He saved my life more than once. He is my Lord and Savior, and I am His child.

I also believe that souls can be and are reincarnated. That is why I was called a satanist, and I'm sure I will be called such again. I have also really stepped in it when I've said that I believe the souls of some animals, such as dogs, go to Heaven, and I've no doubt I'll get flak for saying it again, but I don't care, because I am free to believe what I think is true, so that's what I believe.

307 posted on 05/06/2012 3:35:11 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Some are afraid to answer that question.

In your belief, only Jews that become Christian will go to Heavan.


308 posted on 05/06/2012 3:35:39 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: running_dog_lackey

“If you mean the people who think that Joesph Smith was a con-man, feel free to name me.”

That, FRiend, goes double for me.

All religions are NOT equal, just as all political opinions are NOT equal.

I thought this was covered in Conservatism 101, but I guess I was mistaken.


309 posted on 05/06/2012 3:36:02 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Right Of You To Be You Is At Stake....Resist Cultural Marxism!)
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To: Longbow1969

I know, wheres that gif with the pounding his hands and head against his computer untill he’s bloody?


310 posted on 05/06/2012 3:36:44 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Yes. God wants to be God in all areas of our life. we don’t get to compartmentalize God out of certain areas of our life. Not without becoming bipolar and really suffering in the areas we’ve taken Him out of.

Look at our country and see the results of compartmentalizing God out of certain areas.


311 posted on 05/06/2012 3:37:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Apparently even FreeRepublic had to learn the hard way that money talks and bullshit walks.
312 posted on 05/06/2012 3:37:14 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NoLibZone

What on EARTH are you talking about?


313 posted on 05/06/2012 3:38:06 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: driftdiver

“No your vote is what will be meaningless.”

A vote for Obama (as RINOs put it) is meaningless? It cancels out your vote for Romney. The only way your statement could be true is if all liberal votes were meaningless.

;^)


314 posted on 05/06/2012 3:38:17 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (Men who stand firm against an army of thousands, run when a tiger appears among them. ~ShirKhan~)
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To: Longbow1969
I covered that earlier. The "other guys' or (for liberals) "the other' ~ believes their religion is composed of real or revealed truths.

This is the case all across the religious spectrum.

If you are arguing that a specific religion has a specific practice that is noisome to them in the extreme, that can actually be dealt with openly in almost all cases ~ I used types of infant baptism, and the baptism of the dead.

Christianity has addressed the infant baptism over the centuries and some groups go out of their way to avoid drowning babies. Others just defer baptism until it may be done safely. Others do nothing.

Issue is still there. It gets discussed. Changes are made. No one's fundamental religious beliefs (revealed truths) are challenged. Baptisms proceed.

Whether you like it or not religion is to its practitioners a body of facts, so you'll just have to settle down and get along with religious people. They simply don't accept what you think as logic.

315 posted on 05/06/2012 3:39:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: reaganaut

Hey jim I see you have been pinged to this post, looks like we now know who you allied with.


316 posted on 05/06/2012 3:39:32 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: driftdiver; All

I think the majority want to vote Tea Party/Conservatives for Congress,down to dog catchers. The question then becomes “Who would help them more?”-The Skinny Kenyan or Mittens?


317 posted on 05/06/2012 3:40:33 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: eastforker

Why would you say that? Not all Jews don’t believe in Jesus as their personal Savior and Lord. Have you heard of Messianic Jews? There are believing Jews.

I also don’t see why you specifically bring up Jews as opposed to any other group of people, in the context of salvation. Every person no matter who they are, needs Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and Lord.


318 posted on 05/06/2012 3:40:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Osage Orange
While you're at it...give us some examples of this bigotry. So I guess...from your point of view, all religions are equal in your eyes. Muslims, Christians, Hindu's, Satanists, J.W.'s, Buddists, Mormons, etc...etc........all the same!!

He doesn't have to. You just did.

319 posted on 05/06/2012 3:40:49 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: gusty
..."Social Conservatives. They enter the GOP picture around 1980..... Prior they were part of the Democrat coalition.

They accepted the premise of the New Deal . They were the ones who strongly supported Carter in 1976. Their disappointment with Carter and the social turmoil of the 60’s and 70’s pushed them into the GOP.

However, social issues are center stage. They are not so much against big government in its’ organization, but in the Liberal’s use of it.

Why didn't they just go with the Libertarian Party? or Independents? Is their some unknown need to be part of a large collective group?

320 posted on 05/06/2012 3:41:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: eastforker

You forgot to ping him...

And I have yet to see a single post from you that states what you believe, just hate spewing forth from you. Hmmm...motes and beams.


321 posted on 05/06/2012 3:42:04 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: eastforker; Osage Orange
You and people like you are the exact reason so many posters have left, along with their money.

You got that right. I used to be a monthly donor. The wolf pack that gets summoned do a disservice to this site that was once my #1 site out of the millions on the internet.

Now, unless something is changed it will continue to devolve into a cartoon of its once former great self.

Now, I stop by the site to see how many of Freepers preach 0bama since Romeny is even worse. It'd be funny is it wasn't so comical.

322 posted on 05/06/2012 3:42:37 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: eastforker

“How about a truce involving the religious bigots that inhabit this site.”

Personally, I’d rather see a truce on the cat-picture threads before the Catholic Jesus vs. Protestant Jesus smack-down threads.

It would have been much less awkward to not ban people for expressing political opinions that weren’t “Newt” but I guess that’s water under the bridge.

Yeah, so let’s just ban cat pictures, and move on with conservative political debate, or at least advocate “Who’s the least Marxist” as a political movement this cycle.


323 posted on 05/06/2012 3:43:02 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: eastforker

Logically, there can be no way of determining if there are absolutes or not. That determination is an opinion, not a fact.

Even science has a philosophical base and is taken on faith.


324 posted on 05/06/2012 3:43:41 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
This forum has been infiltrated by an army of Obamabots. It’s a coordinated effort and they are laughing about it over at DailyKos

There's more than one group kicking up the dust here!

325 posted on 05/06/2012 3:43:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: CatherineofAragon

“A thing can’t be demonized that already demonizes itself.”

Based on that post.

Will Jews go to heaven?


326 posted on 05/06/2012 3:44:59 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Can discussion of Mitt’s running be separated from his religion?


327 posted on 05/06/2012 3:47:45 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: chris37

Whoever labeled you a satanist for believing in souls being reincarnated, IMO, is not correct. Satanists do not believe in reincarnation. They know people only get one life. And then they go down to hell to wait for their master Satan.

The reincarnation belief though, is not a biblical belief, and that I will tell you as one Christian from another. You only get one life, and after that, the judgment. There are no second chances and no do-overs. That is eastern mysticism, not biblical Christianity. The examples of Jesus raising people from the dead to live awhile longer temporally is not evidence of reincarnation.

Your other belief that animals have souls, IS biblically based and is correct. There are great books that discuss this topic from a biblical standpoint and reading other parts of Scripture understanding God’s initial creation and His plans for restoration in the future, there is no doubt in my mind animals have spirits and they will enjoy restoration and eternal life as God originally intended. I can let you know the books if you want, just PM me.


328 posted on 05/06/2012 3:47:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Well, I’m not a Christian, but I will proudly admit that the United States was built on Christian values.

I’m Jewish, but I have nothing but love in my heart for my Catholic and Protestant brothers and sisters. Nothing annoys me more when liberal “Jews” (an oxymoron to be sure-—One cannot be a Jew and a liberal. That’s like being a capitalist communist.) and their friends at the ACLU attack small towns for having a Manger Scene on the steps of their town hall. It’s like, dare I say it, being a member of the Jewish Police in the Warsaw Ghetto. The way liberals persecute Christians is far too much like the way the Nazis persecuted the Jews. I won’t stand for it.


329 posted on 05/06/2012 3:48:01 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Right Of You To Be You Is At Stake....Resist Cultural Marxism!)
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To: Windflier
That said, if we MUST have one them for president, I'd rather it be one who the Republicans are more likely to OPPOSE, than one who they'll roll over for - especially considering that they have the same agenda.

That bears repeating.

Also a consideration that I have seen brought up is the SCOTUS. Speculation is that if obama is in, the current conservative justices won't resign, where they might if a republican is in the White House.

I agree with your assessment of Romney and what will happen if he's in and I also don't trust him in the area of the SCOTUS. I think he'll put in liberals as fast as obama.

I heard someone today call Romney *obamney* and I think he's right.

330 posted on 05/06/2012 3:48:47 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: reaganaut

I didn’t need to, you did!


331 posted on 05/06/2012 3:49:20 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: A.Hun

Santorum clearly pointed out many times that Romney wrote Planned Parenthood into Romneycare and that every conservative knows that if anti-abortion language isn’t written into a health care law, the courts state that it must be covered. Romney knew that too.

The entire GOP establishment is leaning toward facilitating same-sex marriage, not just Romney. That’s why we need to push back and elect candidates who are firmly against it. Make no mistake, Romney’s friendliness toward same-sex marriage is one of the reasons he has had the backing from the establishment that he has. This article has more on Romney’s record on same-sex marriage.

http://www.newsmax.com/Murdock/Romney-Gay-Marriage-licenses/2011/12/30/id/422597

As a gay-marriage proponent, I was pleased to learn that then-Gov. Willard Mitt Romney, R-Mass., issued at least 189 special-issue, one-day marriage licenses to same-sex couples in 2005 alone. These documents let these 378 people enjoy nuptials officiated by relatives, friends, and others who normally do not perform weddings.

Romney enforced the court’s opinion, even though it required nothing of him, having allowed the legislature a window to act “as it may deem appropriate.”

While Team Romney argues that the court forced it to give gay couples conventional marriage licenses, the special one-day licenses are a strictly gubernatorial choice, as Massachusetts law unambiguously states.

“Even if one accepts the Goodridge decision as constitutional, the one-day permits were above and beyond what was required by the court decision; they were purely discretionary,”

Fans of gay marriage should thank Romney for these 189 or more instances in which he voluntarily used his gubernatorial authority to unite these same-sex couples so they might live happily ever after.

Foes of gay matrimony should ask Romney if he really meant it when he said, “I have never supported same-sex marriage.” If so, why did he use his discretionary power to do just that — at least 189 times?


332 posted on 05/06/2012 3:49:59 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: chris37
The "reincarnation" thing got you in trouble ~ there's a Bible verse that says 'men have but one life to live'. Your typical Christian is unfamiliar with the Eastern Concept called the Mandela, or Wheel of Life. There your life is but one on the wheel, but your manifestation in specific beings may take place numerous times.

This is a real dispute in Christianity though since so many people who are heirs to the Eastern Concept brought it with them into Christianity.

Some accept the idea's Biblical legitimacy by noting the "Dead in Christ' who rise up in Revelation to ask questions or to give hosannas.

Jesus himself rose from the dead.

There's certainly plenty of room for debate within the pale of Christian belief ~ but on the day to day plain it's not a big issue.

I think some confound satanism or devil worship with the other concepts in the East regarding the Demon Realm. I know Protestants have always gone hammer and tong after the Catholics over the "descended into Hell" business and over the centuries viewpoints on both sides of that particular coin have adjusted ~ and you rarely hear that issue raised anymore.

I'm trying to avoid being nonjudgmental. I have my own beliefs on these matters and they're pretty conventional. But you're not a satan worshipper for believing a soul might descend into Hell.

As I've stated several times right here some politicians, Nancy Pelosi is an example, have probably done enough evil they'll go straight to Hell ~ no purgatory ~ non stop ~ does not pass Go. Some suggest she can reform in the here and now but i doubt she can reform ~ none of us can tell if her reformation would count though.

333 posted on 05/06/2012 3:49:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: eastforker; Secret Agent Man
So, I guess the Jews are out then,too bad so sad, I kind of like those guys!

Nope. There are Jews who believe that Jesus is who He said He was. They'll make it.

What you need to realize is that it's not religion that saves, it's Jesus. It doesn't matter which religion you belong to if you have truly put your trust in Him to save you.

There are saved and unsaved in every religion.

334 posted on 05/06/2012 3:51:47 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: AnTiw1

So you admit you’re voting for obama.


335 posted on 05/06/2012 3:53:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: metmom

I am not going to argue religion with you about what is right are wrong, that is exactly the reason for my initial post on this thread, so quit preaching!


336 posted on 05/06/2012 3:54:41 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: GeronL

I feel the same way. I just don’t know what to do-—Down here in Sunny Florida, you can’t abstain on any part of the ballot. You have to vote for someone, and I’m not real clear on the write-in rules. I certainly don’t want to miss my chance to send that commie pig Bill Nelson packing.

This sucks. I hate being put in this situation.


337 posted on 05/06/2012 3:54:50 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Right Of You To Be You Is At Stake....Resist Cultural Marxism!)
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To: eastforker
Continue on,but, there is more to conservatism than bashing other religions that may not be up to par in your views.

Not the way FR is going there's not.

338 posted on 05/06/2012 3:56:03 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: muawiyah; eastforker
If you are arguing that a specific religion has a specific practice...

Um, I wasn't arguing anything. I just told eastforker that he wouldn't be able to win the debate he seemed to be embarked on. I wasn't involved in any discussion of baptism, drowned babies, or anything else. All I said was most people understand what a person means when they say religion is based on faith and is not something that can be definitively proven, but some people do not accept that such a statement applies to their religion.

339 posted on 05/06/2012 3:56:07 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: eastforker

I was referring to your response to him about my post.

You are such a crank, and I mean that in the most negative way possible.


340 posted on 05/06/2012 3:58:31 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: metmom
I agree with your assessment of Romney and what will happen if he's in and I also don't trust him in the area of the SCOTUS. I think he'll put in liberals as fast as obama.

Yes, he will. Just examine his record of judicial appointments in Massachusetts for verification.

This brings us back to the dynamics of OPPOSITION. If we gain the majority in both houses of Congress this year (which is very likely), whose appointments to the Supreme Court is the Senate more likely to OPPOSE? Obama's or Romney's?

Let us not forget that either of them is likely to nominate the very same type of people to the bench. That being the case, it beggars belief that some would insist that we put someone in the White House who a Republican dominated Congress is likely to roll over for.

341 posted on 05/06/2012 3:58:31 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: NoLibZone

Some of us are.

:)

Alan Dershowitz, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feistein, Bawney Fwank-— No chance.


342 posted on 05/06/2012 3:58:47 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Right Of You To Be You Is At Stake....Resist Cultural Marxism!)
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To: reaganaut

And you are such a bigot, and I mean that in the mostcomplimentary way possible.


343 posted on 05/06/2012 4:00:36 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: Longbow1969

Perhaps you are right. However, I’m ineligible to vote in Peru.

Personally, I find the two types of conservatism to be inseparable and as Secret Agent Man posted earlier, a candidate who is honest with his or herself will not split the two.


344 posted on 05/06/2012 4:02:16 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Obama vs. Romney: Zero x Zero = Zero.)
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To: NoLibZone

That post had nothing to do with Jews.

Linking a post about the Mormon religion with Jewish folks makes no sense.


345 posted on 05/06/2012 4:02:20 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: eastforker

Prove I am a bigot, actual post links. You made the claim, put up or shut up.


346 posted on 05/06/2012 4:03:32 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

If you want to abstain from voting for President just find some nobody write-in that is allowed. Apparently here in Texas, only approved write-in’s are counted.


347 posted on 05/06/2012 4:03:36 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Windflier
Presuming we can get some Republicans into the Senate with cajones, we actually could roll over a weak kneed, milk toast, no core values Republican.

If that ignant Democrat gets back in he'll be more difficult to roll over simply because he won't know he's being rolled.

348 posted on 05/06/2012 4:04:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: reaganaut

Dude or dudete, not sure, over the years we have tangled many times, your intolerence of the mormon religion is well known accross FR, there is no need to post any specific post, you are as guilty as Huey Long in New Orleans!


349 posted on 05/06/2012 4:08:41 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: driftdiver
That's not a truce like comment.

For all you know I'm going to vote early and often. I've I can hack the voting system I will do so.

350 posted on 05/06/2012 4:09:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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