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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2879805/posts?q=1&;page=1#1 ^ | May 6, 2012 | Seizethecarp

Posted on 05/06/2012 8:09:35 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

Attention "Anyone But Obama" (ABO) FReepers! If you go to the thread at the link you will will see that JimRob has "declared a truce" and hundreds of ABO FReepers are now vigorously defending their belief, which I share, that the ineligible Marxist Manchurian MUST BE DEFEATED to preserve the Republic...without fear of "the ZOT"! Please consider a DONATION not just to fund renewal of expression and amplification of your ABO views, but let's over-achieve this FReepathon to get JR his new equipment!

IMO, Free Republic and FReepers could be vital in swing states in rallying just enough conservatives to tip the election and prevent our troops from having to salute for even one day longer than necessary an ineligible Marxist committed to destroying the USA !


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To: Elsie

I’m not the one saying people are “spewing hatred”. I was pointing out that someone else was accusing FReepers of spewing hatred, and that might be why someone else thought they sounded shrill and angry.


1,101 posted on 05/07/2012 3:42:14 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Seizethecarp

I admit that I was a monthly that cancelled. I just donated.


1,102 posted on 05/07/2012 3:43:16 PM PDT by republicangel
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To: EnglishCon

The Muslim stuff - I simply never cared. You have no religious test for holding office, so really - who gives a crap?
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I give a crap because it means he lied and one would wonder what his agenda really is since he is obviously trying to keep it a big secret.


1,103 posted on 05/07/2012 3:43:42 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Elsie
I don't respond to spamming.

Say what you will about me from here on out. I won't be responding to any of the myriad of posts you've written to me (nor even reading them), and won't be coming back to this hijacked thread.

You're right about everything, always have been and always will be. I agree with everything you've ever said, and always will, because you are infallible.....just like you think you are.......

But remember......pride goeth before a fall. I will be there, in Christ, to pick you up when that happens.

The conversation is over. Grace and peace, Elsie.

1,104 posted on 05/07/2012 3:46:37 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: buckleyfan
Does Romney offend you? Or do you find his beliefs, and those of Mormons, offensive?

BOTH!

Oh; I can hear the NEXT question, "Then why don't you jump on his POLITICS???"

My answer; to this as yet unasked question would be that "OTHERS are doing this QUITE well; my puny effort would be lost in the flood of good comments."

Mitt was a man in his thirties when the LDS religious organization; based in Salt Lake City, decided to get with the rest of the nation and 'give' blacks a few 'rights' in it's institution. Oh; it is not phrased like this at all, from headquarters, but that GOD in his infinite wisdom had decided to relent.

Should thinking people expect Romney to m ake a statement about what he apparently believed and when along with until 1978?

Well; I'll betcha that we be gonna find out shortly!!

1,105 posted on 05/07/2012 3:47:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vendome

Seems like my hand is going to be in right position to hold the controller.

- - - -
That ALWAYS helps. LOL.


1,106 posted on 05/07/2012 3:49:34 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Elsie

What is your problem?

You get off on provoking people or what/

Go find another leg to hump.


1,107 posted on 05/07/2012 3:51:47 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: buckleyfan; Elsie; All

As I’ve stated many times, I am biased toward God. I’m not a theologist, or a bible scholar, or even a great church-going Christian, but I was raised in a Christian family and I am a believer in the one true God. I believe “the Creator” who gave us life and unalienable rights is our Christian God, sometimes referred to as the Judeo-Christian God. I am not a preacher and do not try to convert anyone. I simply believe that our nation was founded by believers and our system of governance and law is based on biblical belief and that our form of government will not work under any other set of beliefs. I believe this country was better and freer in the days of our youth, before the war on Christianity was launched by non-believers and before our government representatives lost sight of and denied God. I believe we will never restore the constitutional limits on government or our unalienable rights until we once again allow God back into the public square and back into our hearts.

When I first started FR, we immediately came under attack by atheists, trolls and malcontents, who in many cases attacked us on our religious beliefs, so when I established the first set of rules for forum conduct, I included “No religious bigotry.” Didn’t realize at the time that I would’ve had to qualify that as “no anti-Christian bigotry” but that’s the way it is. I am definitely biased toward God and Christianity. Obviously, I also support Israel, the Jewish people and the Jewish Nation.

As I’ve posted many times and will re-post here for anyone who missed it:

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our BORDERS, our constitution and our national sovereignty.

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If you cannot live with the above, fine, but keep your mouth shut about it while on FR. Don’t fight against us on ANY of our deeply held beliefs!!

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1,108 posted on 05/07/2012 3:53:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: buckleyfan
So really, it’s actually a great cartoon!

Aw, shucks!



1,109 posted on 05/07/2012 3:55:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vendome

non-fighter?


1,110 posted on 05/07/2012 3:58:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: buckleyfan; Jim Robinson
I don’t know Jim Robinson personally, but my guess is that he would be annoyed that you bothered him with such silliness. I know I sure would be.

You seem to 'annoy' easily.

1,111 posted on 05/07/2012 4:01:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie; Vendome
non-fighter?

NO, a real sincere actual person who I have personally spoken with on the phone.

You on the other hand are nothing but a provocateur.

1,112 posted on 05/07/2012 4:02:14 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: EnglishCon
Now frankly, looking at some of your posts recently, I am tempted to judge you.

By all means; do it!

How will I EVER 'correct' my behavior if I do NOT know EXACTLY what behavior is wrong?

REply numbers would be a start; showing the exact WORDING would be even better.

I am NOT offend if someone 'judges' me; it happens ALL the time.

1,113 posted on 05/07/2012 4:04:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: EnglishCon
I rather hope not though, because some of them really recant our Saviours message that God loves us all, regardless.

Then it is your DUTY to point out MY heresy.

Do not fail GOD now!

1,114 posted on 05/07/2012 4:06:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: chris37
It is apparent...

If it were; you'd SHOW it.

Why haven't you?

1,115 posted on 05/07/2012 4:07:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: chris37

“Eastforker’s point was proven by the contents of this thread quite possibly better than any other point ever proven in the entire recorded history of points proven.”

Wow. Were you trying to top Joe Biden for the most ridiculous hyperbole of the year, or did you do it by accident?

All joking aside, yes Americans are free to believe whatever they want. However, that doesn’t mean that they are free from other Americans voicing their own opinion about it, and it doesn’t mean their beliefs will be free from examination or criticism. It’s a free country, but you have to be willing to take everything that comes with it. Calling people bigots in order to get them to stop saying things you don’t want to hear is not going to work. It doesn’t work when liberals do it to conservatives, and I don’t believe it will work when one group of FReepers does it to another.


1,116 posted on 05/07/2012 4:07:42 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: EnglishCon
Give me a rain check for an hour please.

You can have mine!

I've received, in the last hour, 2 1/2" of rain on my property here in central Indiana! My driveway is flooded and no doubt the grass seed I put down over the weekend has floated away!

1,117 posted on 05/07/2012 4:11:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

LOL!!!!

C’mon. He really is a great guy. I haven’t zipped back through the posts to see how y’all got here and at each other but you’re both terrific and maybe a truce is a good idea.


1,118 posted on 05/07/2012 4:13:14 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Elsie

Come on Elsie - did you read down thread?

Give me another quarter hour and we can play.


1,119 posted on 05/07/2012 4:13:34 PM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: EnglishCon
That is cabinetmaker in terms of making custom furniture, not fitting MDF or plywood kitchens.

Then you have a patience and and an eye for quality.

My 'woodworking' involves a circular saw and nails.

1,120 posted on 05/07/2012 4:14:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: EnglishCon

and as a side note - do you know how disgusting it is when the guy you are conference calling goes to the toilet?

I mean, we all do it, but on the freaking phone?


1,121 posted on 05/07/2012 4:15:15 PM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: Elsie

Who stuck NOT into that second sentence from the last?


1,122 posted on 05/07/2012 4:18:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Boogieman

Ah!

Ok...


1,123 posted on 05/07/2012 4:19:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ohioWfan

You made ACCUSATIONS about me, and when I want the evidence you call it SPAMMING?

Sigh...


1,124 posted on 05/07/2012 4:21:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Go find another leg to hump.

But yours is SO warm and cuddly!


1,125 posted on 05/07/2012 4:23:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Ok, since this guy is being a jerk and I refuse to listen to his bowel symphony (I hate my life sometimes) lets deal with the important stuff first.


I’ve received, in the last hour, 2 1/2” of rain on my property here in central Indiana! My driveway is flooded and no doubt the grass seed I put down over the weekend has floated away!


Now that is some serious wetness! If you put the seed about half an inch down and stamped it in it should be fine. If not, go out in the morning with a rake - drag the rake, re-seed then jump up and down on the places you have seeded.

Trust me - no one knows better than dealing with rain than an englishman - well a scotsman may know better!


1,126 posted on 05/07/2012 4:24:25 PM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
You on the other hand are nothing but a provocateur.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

1,127 posted on 05/07/2012 4:25:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
You on the other hand are nothing but a provocateur.

Yup, I DO like to provoke.

Especially those who need it.

However, to be NOTHING BUT a provoker would be a mis-characterisation of me; don't you think?

1,128 posted on 05/07/2012 4:27:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
Jim I just wanted to express the fact that were I in your position, I could have written exactly what you have here. Where applicable, it expresses my views precisely. Since I am not the administrator of this site, I cannot claim that you speak for me there. I can say I agree with the ideals you set down here related to management of the forum.

Of particular importance to me, is this included in your commnets: I simply believe that our nation was founded by believers and our system of governance and law is based on biblical belief and that our form of government will not work under any other set of beliefs. I believe this country was better and freer in the days of our youth, before the war on Christianity was launched by non-believers and before our government representatives lost sight of and denied God. I believe we will never restore the constitutional limits on government or our unalienable rights until we once again allow God back into the public square and back into our hearts.

I don't believe enough men of good-will completely comprehend the importance of what I quoted above.

When George Bush talked of 'Democracies' popping up across the Middle-East, he didn't realize he should have been hawking 'Constitutional Republics' instead. In addition, it is vitally important that people understand that our forum of government will not work in societies where Christianity is not the prevailing religion.

Take a look at Islam for instance. If the society is predominantly Islamic, then Islamic ideals will be the bedrock of the founding documents of the nation. That being the case, no peace, no ability to co-exist will exist.

If people would take this concept, expand it, and understand how crucial the Christian God is to our form of governance and society, I think it might open their eyes.

Great point on your part, perhaps the greatest most fundamental point possible.

1,129 posted on 05/07/2012 4:32:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: Elsie

You don’t want to know what I think.


1,130 posted on 05/07/2012 4:36:13 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: Elsie

By all means; do it!

How will I EVER ‘correct’ my behavior if I do NOT know EXACTLY what behavior is wrong?

REply numbers would be a start; showing the exact WORDING would be even better.

I am NOT offend if someone ‘judges’ me; it happens ALL the time.


I dislike this, because you are asking me to judge something that is between you and the Lord.

But, you did ask.

You have been uncharitable. Not always, but sometimes. It is one of the problems I have - there are the rules, but we see what people say and make excuses.
I do think you have been out of line, both personally and scripturally. I would prefer NOT to be right. It is just the impression I got.
Now, before you worry I am having a go at you, I ain’t.

Gonna tell you a tale. Way back before this guy talking to you made furniture, or made words come together, his job was to kill.
Not in an “oh hell, spray and pray” fashion during an ambush, but pure, deliberate murder. Get up, eat breakfast, go and shoot a target or two then sit down and eat lunch while ignoring their kids. Sorry - I do not and will not shoot kids.

I cannot judge you, because my sins are far greater than yours. I can merely advise you, if you will accept it, from one who has worked the edge of hell and is going to spend a long time in purgatory. Yeah, know you are not Catholic, but I am.

There is good in everyone, I don’t care who. Evil is snuffing out the good and rejecting it.
Now I am not saying Romney is good. But there is good in him. The guy is human, after all.
His religion is irrelevant.

Cut him a little slack.

And NEVER make me defend Romney again please,


1,131 posted on 05/07/2012 4:51:18 PM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: ohioWfan; ejonesie22; Psalm 144; metmom

What I am saying, is not that Obama is better — he is worse, — but that conservatives should not endorse Romney. Obama winning is bad, but the Conservative movement steamrolled by the GOP centrist hacks is worse.

Stay away from Romney. Write in somebody. The idea that elections are battles for the center is what gave us the mess we are in. Elections are battles for (or against) ideologies. The center follows ideology most clearly stated.


1,132 posted on 05/07/2012 5:08:46 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: eastforker; FourtySeven
"My suggestion would be a policy of no bashing of any religion or lack there of."

I guess it all depends on how you define "bashing". If challenging a doctrine that is borne out of a man claiming that all other Christian faiths/doctrines/creeds are an abomination to God is defined as "bashing", then what would the original "challenge" by the mormons be defined as?

Confusing debate, rebuttal, etc. with bigotry and hatred, can be excused if one is merely ignorant of the history between Mormonism and Christianity. But it's inexcusable if it's done to stifle debate or out of an already existing prejudice towards those who would rise to the challenge that the Mormons have handed down.

1,133 posted on 05/07/2012 5:11:41 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: metmom; ohioWfan; ejonesie22
Annalex has said several other really *interesting* things in the past as well.

Or just ask me. I haven't yet made a post that I later regretted, aside from the usual inadvertent stuff.

I am a conservative Catholic monarchist and American nationalist. You want an opinion about elections , -- I got one, but I don't put a great faith in the democratic process in general.

My general advice is to first of all vote your conscience and vote strictly pro-life. If there is no conservative in the race, we all are better off not voting. Electing lefties is bad but diluting conservatism by whoever the GOP politburo thinks electable is worse. Screw Romney.

1,134 posted on 05/07/2012 5:17:37 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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HUDDLE UP!

The Place for Conservatives
We have some elections to win!



1,135 posted on 05/07/2012 5:31:16 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: Brytani
Yes, I’ll hold my nose, choke down the vomit and circle the bubble in for Romney. I can only pray he brings in other Republicans into the Senate allowing us to take it. I pray his coat-tails will be big enough so we keep the House

Such a great post. I feel the same way. When Romney was just short of "inevitable" (Lord how I have learned to hate that word), I was still at the spitting nails stage and told my dad that I would not vote for him. Reality has a way of softening our stance in dire circumstances such as the one in which we find ourselves at the moment. ABO with a heavy sigh of disgust at GOPE is the end of this road for me.

I will actively work for down ticket candidates and perhaps even a little bit for Romney. I have about $30-50 per month to give in the Sept to Nov season. That will all go to down ticket folk. The GOPE got what they wanted, they can figure out how to finance it without my donation.

1,136 posted on 05/07/2012 5:36:31 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: All

x


1,137 posted on 05/07/2012 6:03:20 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: CatherineofAragon

God bless you, too!


1,138 posted on 05/07/2012 6:19:48 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Right Of You To Be You Is At Stake....Resist Cultural Marxism!)
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To: Elsie

Last time I saw that many swirling colors, I was a Paultard.... /sarc.


1,139 posted on 05/07/2012 6:21:59 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Right Of You To Be You Is At Stake....Resist Cultural Marxism!)
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To: Colofornian
#1- Medicaid covered abortions ONLY for rape and incest. RomneyCare went beyond rape, incest (or even life of the mother/ectopic pregnancies) abortion-coverage.

No I won't concede that. MA ignored the Hyde amendmet until 1981 and funded for "medically necessary" abortions under Medicaid. The legislature apparently passed a bill to bring State requirements in line with Hyde, but I cannot find when and if it came into effect.

I have found evidence that in 1985 MA covered abortions under "medical necessity" and also in the mid 90's. Unfortunately, as we know and Reagan found out, "medical necessity" is nothing more than a loophole to further abortion.

This covers your point #2 also...with this qualifier-Romney did not set the schedule for subsidies for insurance, of which the abortion coverage was a part. That is the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector Authority. Many of the details of Romneycare were completely out of his hands. The inclusion of abortion coverage was one of those things.

#3- As you mention, those levels of income you mention are not totally subsidized. They are on a sliding scale based on income and household members. Yes, they undoubtedly cover some women that would not be covered under the fed guidelines for Medicaid coverage. Fortunately, as income rises, the number of women that avail themselves of abortions fall.

I would point out that Bay State natives still support Romneycare 3 to 1. They overwhelmingly supported it from its inception. People that don't can certainly relocate. Romney has specifically and repeatedly said he opposes obamacare for that reason...it is outside the Federal governments power to mandate something that is delegated specifically to the states...just as auto insurance is a state matter not a federal one.

Romney should have vetoed, rather than praised and signed, any legislation that would pay abortionists to kill children.

He vetoed eight portions of the health care bill, and every one was overridden. MA was going to get government health care regardless of who was governor. Romney's plan prevented the legislature from using a direct tax to fund government health care.

His original proposal didn't even include a mandate...he favored tax incentives for those that did have coverage and one's that didn't actually pay for their healthcare out of pocket. (If someone can find a copy of his original proposal tagged as MA House Bill #4279 July 20th, 2005 I would greatly appreciate it. I would like to actually see his proposal and compare it to what came out as "Chapter 58".)

In fact, his original proposal came about to head off a house and senate proposals, and a drive for a MA constitutional amendment forcing government health coverage that acquired 75,000 signatures in favor of. All would have been worse than Romneycare.

For all this arguing over the abortion funding in Romneycare, the net effect was no more abortions than prior years, and in fact, a reduction in abortions in the following years. That is a national trend, but if Romneycare encouraged abortion to the extent you claim, there should have been a dramatic increase.

On a personal note....digging through all this is disgusting. Nothing is more Godless and wrong than on demand abortions. I'm surprised God hasn't zotted MA.

As far as Romney himself is concerned, I would never support him except for one reason....OBAMA IS WORSE. This election is the biggest crock of sh*t I have ever seen. I warned what would happen when conservatives turned their back on a man as good as GWB, now see where we are. I'm warning you again...if Obama isn't defeated, there will be nothing left of a conservative movement.

If conservatives can't help get Obama out, what use are we?

1,140 posted on 05/07/2012 6:23:31 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: DoughtyOne
...it is vitally important that people understand that our forum of government will not work in societies where Christianity is not the prevailing religion.

Since Oprahism now seems to be the majority religion here now; it kinda explains the shape we are in.

1,141 posted on 05/07/2012 6:46:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
You don’t want to know what I think.

Oh?

Sure it isn't that you don't want others to know what you think?

1,142 posted on 05/07/2012 6:48:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: EnglishCon
But, you did ask.

You have been uncharitable. Not always, but sometimes.

I also asked for the thing thought to be wrong shown.

I'm still waiting.

1,143 posted on 05/07/2012 6:50:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: EnglishCon
Now I am not saying Romney is good. But there is good in him. No one ever said there wasn't.
The guy is human, after all.
His religion is irrelevant.
No; it's a heresy. Not irrelevant at all.

Cut him a little slack. In what area?

And NEVER make me defend Romney again please,

I've never MADE you do anything you didn't want to do.

1,144 posted on 05/07/2012 6:54:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: EnglishCon
I do think you have been out of line, both personally and scripturally.

Then do me the courtesy of allowing me to face these charges against me.

Show the evidence of what you've discovered.

Do I not have the right to defend myself?

1,145 posted on 05/07/2012 6:59:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

;^)


1,146 posted on 05/07/2012 7:00:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

I’m sure there’s a point here, Elsie, but I’m not sure what it is. :-)


1,147 posted on 05/07/2012 7:14:22 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (One Nation Under God..."There I said it" ... Great One...)
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To: A.Hun; EternalVigilance; CharacterCounts
I would point out that Bay State natives still support Romneycare 3 to 1. They overwhelmingly supported it from its inception.

You really think that we're going to be impressed by the likes of citizen-voters who gave us...
...Teddy Kennedy...
...Dukakis...
...John Kerry...???

He vetoed eight portions of the health care bill...

Yes, Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137.

...and every one was overridden.

You know, that's like a Senator -- knowing his vote would not make a difference in defeating legislation that puts taxpayers on the hook for paying to dismember infants -- trying to remain somehow "neutral" by abstaining from the vote.

In fact, to Mormons -- this scenario of neutrality is horrific re: the common Mormon narrative that blacks were supposed "neutral spirits" who didn't side either way when Satan & his demons rebelled vs. God in heaven...Hence, the Mormon narrative has gone, that God supposedly "cursed" these spirits with black skin when their spirits were sent to inhabit bodies on earth.

Mormons have for generations called this a definitive lack of commitment one way or the other a lack of "valiance" -- and "cursable" by God. So...Mitt Romney's own Mormon narrative from his spiritual fathers' past condemns him.

MA was going to get government health care regardless of who was governor.

Well, you know, Biblically, we're Not necessarily responsible for the sin of others...had Romney chosen that route in this matter -- (which he did not)
...but we certainly know that when we participate in the sins of others -- there's no absolving that: Mitt Romney's Bible tells him: ...do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure. (1 Tim. 5:22)

He vetoed...

Well, what prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details).

Well...given Romney's ties with Planned Parenthood, no real surprise there, right? (a) Attended PP fundraiser in '94; (b) Ann Romney gave donation to PP in '94; (c) Mitt asked to fill out the PP voters guide in '02.

For all this arguing over the abortion funding in Romneycare, the net effect was no more abortions than prior years, and in fact, a reduction in abortions in the following years. That is a national trend...

Yes...a national trend...

...but if Romneycare encouraged abortion to the extent you claim, there should have been a dramatic increase.

You know if you had a drug cartel which gave out free dope in your neighborhood -- but for some reason didn't increase the # of addicts -- that latter factoid is suppose to somehow lessen the way we feel about that??? (In this analogy, Romney IS the drug cartel leader...and believe me, aborting our young with taxpayer $ is worse than free drugs for our young...at least our young can both say "no" or potentially bounce back from such usage).

On a personal note....digging through all this is disgusting. Nothing is more Godless and wrong than on demand abortions. I'm surprised God hasn't zotted MA.

Amen.

1,148 posted on 05/07/2012 7:22:46 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Mountain Mary
Sorry, but in this election, I want someone that will fight Obama and his minions tooth and nail.I hope Romney uses every dirty trick in the book and kicks his ass. Obama is sure going to try to do the same to him.

Politics isn't for the faint of heart.... I pray Romney was just warming up in the primaries. Maybe he will pick Newt for VP and unleash him as the attack dog. (A fellow is allowed to dream, isn't he?)

And I will be able to sleep well that night.

I'll sleep better when Obama is political history. How that happens isn't going to trouble me at all.

1,149 posted on 05/07/2012 7:30:28 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"If people would take this concept, expand it, and understand how crucial the Christian God is to our form of governance and society, I think it might open their eyes."

"We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that 'except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel."

Benjamin Franklin, statement he made at the Constitutional Convention June 28, 1787

1,150 posted on 05/07/2012 7:38:43 PM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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