Skip to comments.Why Christians and Patriots CANNOT vote for Mitt Romney (Vanity)
Posted on 05/05/2012 9:22:38 AM PDT by Waywardson
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You said, “And then in 6 months you will come walking back into town “
And I said, which town. Which town will not be controlled by Marxists and Jihadis when BO is full blown into his second term?
Ken supports Romney.
The general principle is that we have been losing for 100 years. Since Wilson we have seen only a skirmish or two won and not a single reversal of a single gain of socialism. Name One? There is none. We are the Chicago Cubs of Politics..
The American people have been supporting the expansion of the welfare state. They have been sold a bill of goods in much the way that people buy Ponzi schemes. Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money. We had the New Deal, the Fair Deal, and the New Society. Bush 43 added the prescription drug program to Medicare even though it represents a $7.2 trillion unfunded liability. People like Newt Gingrich support it as well. No politician is going to suggest eliminating Medicare, Medicaid, or SS. They will try to make it run more efficiently, but there is no political will to eliminate them.
The Democrats are ranked #5,and we have spent all our time, treasure and focus on them while dying of cancer from within.
The Democrats are the party of Free Stuff, but I don't blame them but the people who elect them. By and large, the American public is uninformed and unengaged. And Reps have been complicit as well. What is happening now is the collapse of the welfare state not only here but in Europe where it is more advanced. In 1950 there were 16 workers for every retiree; today there are 3.3; and by 2030 there will be just two to support this huge welfare state. And by 2030 one in 5 residents of this country will 65 or older, twice what it is now.
SS and Medicare are pay as you go systems. SS has been running in the red since 2010 and Medicare (Part A) has been running in the red since 2008. Moreover, Medicare Parts B and D are funded by the General Fund for 75% of the costs. This is by law. The premiums only cover 25% of the costs. If nothing is done to reform the entitlement programs, they will consume the entire budget. They are unsustainable. The politicians know that and have known it for decades. They continue to kick the can down the road but now we are running out of road. Tax revenue only covers the costs of the entitlement programs and debt servicing costs. DOD and the rest of the government are funed by borrowing 42 cents of every federal dollar spent.
In order to rein in these costs before we go off the cliff, there will be much pain for the American people. And they don't want the pain, but rather, to believe the politicians who treat them like children. We are in dire straits. And our aging population will compound our problems.
Source: CBO "Combined OASDI Trust Funds; January 2011 Baseline" 26 Jan 2011. Note: See "Primary Surplus" line (which is negative, indicating a deficit)
Matters are even worse than this chart shows. In December, Congress passed a Social Security tax reduction. Workers are temporarily paying 2 percentage points less, from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent, in Social Security payroll taxes this calendar year. Since the government is making up the shortfall out of general revenues, CBOs deficit projections for the trust funds do not include that. But CBOs figures predict that the "payroll tax holiday" will cost the governments general fund $85 billion in this fiscal year and $29 billion in fiscal year 2012 (which starts Oct.1, 2011.) Since every dollar of that will have to be borrowed, the combined effect of the " tax holiday" and the annual deficits will amount to a $130 billion addition to the federal deficit in the current fiscal year, and $59 billion in fiscal 2012.
Obama IS the LEAST of our problems, and if we do not fully understand this and are not fully prepared to clean our own house first, to remove the plank from our own eye so that we can see clearly how to deal with the left, we will NEVER restore America. And we will see the 110th year of the income tax, the 5oth year of abortion and the 10th of sodomy.
Our problem is the welfare state and a culture of dependency. We have 54 million on SS, 47 million on Medicare, 60 million on Medicaid (Obamacare will add 18 million more to the rolls), and 46 million on food stamps. Obama is increasing the size and reach of the welfare state. Obama is NOT the least of our problems. He is embedding the culture of dependence deeply into our institutions so that it will be almost impossible to remove them. Four more years will be the final nail in the coffin. Obamacare will be implemented, which will increase control over the individual and make the state more powerful. The NHS in the UK is the perfect example of how insidious that control is. No politician of any stripe including the so-called conservatives would propose eliminating it. Obama is a Marxist who hates this country and would like to transform it. He is the most dangerous person to every occupy the office of President. He is implementing terrible policies and fomenting racial and ethnic strife. He is the most polarzing political leader in our history.
Obama has doubled the numbers on food stamps even giving states monetary bonuses for increasing the numbers. Obama took over the student loan program early on in his tenure. He can now manipulate that to his advantage with students owing over $1 trillion in student loans. Partial excusing loans or reducing interest rates can buy votes for the Dems and himself.
You bleat on about eliminating the income tax when almost 50% of the peoiple pay no income taxes. They want more free stuff redistributed by the government from the 1%. Most Americans believe the wealthy should pay more taxes. Polls for Americans under 30 reveal that the split between those who favor socialism versus capitalism is about 50-50. Our schools have become indoctrination mills for the leftists. And the changing demography of America and immigration policies that import poverty are destroying our national sense of endeavor and identity. We are being Balkanized along cultural, race, ethnicity, and linguistic lines. 57% of immigrant headed households with children are on welfare.
And at some point, and I suggest it is THIS Point. The Romney types wont even need to give us lip service and lie to us for our votes. We must change tactics totally and NOW before the WAR is lost.
I have no idea what tactics you are talking about, but allowing Obama four more years is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Obama is pro-abortion; he has eliminated don't ask, don't tell in the military as part of his social engineering. He will support an amnesty, which will not only legalize the status of 12 million illegals, but allow them to sponsor another 66 million legal immigrants thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification. The Heritage Foundation estimated it would cost us $2.6 trillion in just entitlement costs alone. And an amnesty is forever. There is no reversing it.
I find your analysis childish and misdirected. Obama and the welfare state are the enemies. He will expand it even further in the next four years. I have no idea what your ultimate objectives are, but we are fast running out of time and solutions. And the biggest obstacle is convincing the American people we need to change and that they will have to accept some very painful solutions. Otherwise, we will become Greeks demonstrating in the streets to retain the benefits promised by the government, which it can't deliver.
As someone who has been on this planet almost seven decades, I see this election as our last chance to change things. The Reps may not have the perfect solutions, but I know that Romney will support the repeal of Obamacare, have a pro-business agenda including energy exploration and support the Ryan budget that includes changing Medicare to a premium support program. There are still major differences between the Evil Party and the Stupid Party.
LBJ’s Great Society vice New Society
Looks like a Democrat Plot to shut out the Conservative vote and re-elect the Progressive Leader of hope and change to four more years. Sorry Troll, will not work—I will vote for Mittens even if he is proven to worship Satan and each Puppies (That was the other guy?) Maybe we need a satan worshiper rather than a Communist Islamic Progressive.
Do you honestly think 0bamao cares if he gets re-elected with a plurality or squeaks in with less than half of all votes cast?
His goal is power, plain and simple. The bolsheviks didn’t care if they got more ‘’votes’’ than the mensheviks. Power is what matters. Once power is acheived, no matter the manner, it automatically grants respectabiity and legitimacy.
Go ahead, vote for your fantasy. Once 0bamao gets the gold star, he has all of us by the short hairs.
Of course, those who didn’t go your route will hold you personally responsible for your enabling cowardice.
Of course Obama doesn't care -- he's a narcissist. But when a president is elected with 66% of the popular vote cast against him, it doesn't matter if he cares. It mattes what others think, and if they're so scared of him they believe his delusions as fully as he does even when 66% voted against him ... well ... that's a nation of rabbits.
I'm not voting for Obama, nor am I voting for Romney. I'll leave whoever wins that contest to the "will of the people." If it's O v R, I'm voting AGAINST BOTH OF THEM via 3rd party because I perceive that a vote for Romney is a vote to endorse the full gamut of liberal causes personified in the highest elected Republican who clearly has contempt for conservatism. I'll have no more to do with his winning than with his losing -- my vote is neutral; all it will do is weaken what I hope will be a miserably low plurality vote percentage of whichever statist wins.
I've just gone back four years to read some of the posts and thoughts when Obama vs McCain had to be faced. We were all assured the same thing -- Obama would be the end of the world, and that McCain was actually quite conservative!
I voted for him via Palin ... he lost. We're still here with a lot more Republicans in state legislatures AND in Congress than we had in 2008.
There's nothing new under the sun.
When it is 2015, and Obama has placed his 2nd radical Muslim on the Supreme Court, and you have lost your private health insurer due to Obamacare, I don’t want to hear any whining from all the “principaled Conservatives” who sabotaged Romney voting 3rd party.
Not that I think your votes matter. I am certain Obama lose the election due to the horrific economy. But just in case he should steal the election by the slimmest of margins by voter fraud, I’ll be there to tell you “I told you so” every time Obama destroys another of our previous constitutional rights.
No Willard ever !
Free Republic is suffering an ideological divide between those who think we can survive another 4 years of Obama and so are fighting for the future soul of the GOP, and those who are not currently concerned about the future soul of the GOP because it won’t matter if we don’t survive the next 4 years under Obama.
That explains the contentious division here in a nutshell.
It is those who fear Obama’s impact on the nation most vs. those who fear Romney’s impact on the GOP most.
Post of the day. Thanks!!!!
Free Republic is suffering from an ideological divide between those who understand that Romney and Obama will be on the same side in the coming civil and those who are oblivious and imagine that this is just another election.
FINF has the arguments summed up nicely.
A little reality for the reality impaired.
Who are you and, will you run for President?
You live in CA. It doesn’t matter whom you vote for. Obama wins CA easily.
Thanks for concurring.
It either escapes the consciousness of most here, or it’s cognitive dissonance that no matter who wins in November, Conservatism is toast.
The GOP-e Ruling Class sold us out to ensure this result. They made a Faustian bargain with the Marxist Devil because they hate Conservatives as much as Obama does. The tag-team destruction of Conservatives from Palin on down by BOTH Romney and Obama’s propaganda media more than bears that out.
If Obama wins, Principled Conservatives will be blamed for Romney’s loss by every moderate out there. And none of us are blind to what Obama will attempt to do next given the history of Marxist regimes. That inevitability was already put into motion and the GOP-e has been willing to go along with it since January 2009.
If Romney wins, Conservatives lose permanently, because everything Obama has already done, becomes institutionalized and the GOP-e will appropriate ‘fundamental transformation’ for itself to manage. Conservatives will become completely irrelevant in future politics because Romney will have redefined Conservatism as being Socialist but not Marxist.
We’ve already lost, just as Jim Robinson said (AND HE DID NOT ENDORSE ROMNEY) and doing a repeat of 2008 and expecting a different result is pure insanity.
We have to think a lot differently than doing the same old if we want to survive what is coming.
This whole deal reminds me of the Jews in Europe in the late 30’s and 40’s who absolutely REFUSED to allow themselves to understand that they were going to be exterminated. Even when they were forced into Ghettos, and then even loaded onto boxcars for deathcamps, they refused to believe it. “It is some mistake” they told themselves. Being sold out to the Nazis by even family and friends for a mere promise of bread or out of fear for their own skins was rampant. They refused to believe even that could happen. Survivors have testified many of them would not believe the rumors that the showers were gas chambers. It was just too horrific for the mind to wrap itself around.
Apparently we don’t want to acknowledge what time it is either, so going back to doing what is routine and comfortable in vain hope or out of abject fear is better than facing the truth of where we are.
Reminds me of the woman in the 1982 movie “The Day After” who continues to make the beds and do her household chores after the missiles were flying and cities were about to be vaporized. She even fights her own husband to cling to her need for ‘normalcy’.
That is why the vitriol against anyone who says they are not going to vote for Romney. Out of their cowardly fear, they will insist that not voting for Romney is a vote FOR Obama. We even witness here on this very thread that they will be militant about it. They will call you a traitor. They will say you support Obama. They will accuse you of being an Obama shill or ‘agent’ sent to sow discord.
The meme is, Vote for Romney OR ELSE - YOU will be responsible for what Obama does. So much for liberty, even among those who claim to be Conservative.
And now we know how it is that a climate of fear is established that herds an entire people into seig heiling and stormtrooping a minority of Socialist radicals.
>>Vote for Romney OR ELSE - YOU will be responsible for what Obama does. So much for liberty, even among those who claim to be Conservative.<<
Oh for heaven’s sake, you are quoting the Jews under Nazism and you should be talking to the Communists. The people who lived under the Soviets are terrified of Obama. Talk to them.
Last time people puffed up their chests and screamed “I won’t vote for McCain” we got Obama. You can’t change the GOP if the Republic falls. You can predict what would have happened with McCain but you KNOW what happened with Obama.
I generally agree except that one fact will be evident to dismiss the establishments claim: When every Tea Party candidates running wins by 25% more votes than Romney gets in their district, the new fact that we DID NOT Stay Home but showed up and SKIPPED their trap at the top of the ballot will be the proof. They will then know we no longer play that game and even Obama wasn’t scary enough. They will then either come to OUR table or forever have NO seat at any table.
Nazism and Communism are offspring of the same ism, of which Romney's record is no different than Obama's.
I have in-laws who grew up under Hitler. They remember how the Nazis infiltrated every single party and brought them into alignment with the Nazi Ideology. They even remember priests in church preaching Hitler instead of Christ.
I don't see the GOP-e as any different in ideology than Obama, they want the piece of the big pie Socialism and the Marxist have appropriated from all of us.
Last time people puffed up their chests and screamed I wont vote for McCain we got Obama.
That's pure crap and I won't accept it. We came out and voted in droves for Palin, and it still wasn't enough. When this November becomes a repeat of 2008, you can stuff the stupid notion that we Conservatives who refuse to vote for Romney are to blame for another Obama win up your hind end.
I won't accept the blame.
The blame falls on the heads of the Gop-e Ruling Class who foisted another Socialist liberal on us. When two Socialists are running, the greater Socialist is going to win, thems just facts, and history.
Between Romney and Obama, it's not a choice, it's a trap.
A) He won't do away with ObamaCare, even if he has the power to do so. He thinks he can do socialism better than Obama. The key Romney Republican phrase to watch for is "repeal and replace." The truth is right there behind the smokescreen. Romney's role, if elected, is to consolidate Obama's socialist gains, not to reverse them.
B) Among his biggest funders, to the tune of millions of dollars, are folks who have funded the drive for sodomite fake marriage to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. He has also had the unflagging support of every pro-sodomy hack in the formerly grand old party throughout this election cycle. Just what do they know that you don't know? His appointment of an openly homosexual supporter of "gay marriage" doesn't give you any clues? His equation this past week of "sexual orientation" with race and ethnicity doesn't tip you off?
C) If you peel away one layer of lies from Romney's current "position" vis a vis baby murder you see that Romney hasn't changed at all. He is still a judicial supremacist. He thinks the courts make law. In other words his primary position is in full support of the abortion-on-demand status quo. Secondly, he believes unalienable rights, including the right to life, can be decided by a democratic vote. Lastly, to make sure that he will never ever under any circumstances have to lift one finger to stop the abortion holocaust in America, he has adopted the Gerald R. Ford, Ron Paul, Stephen A. Douglas democrat pro-choice for states stance.
Quit fooling yourself.
Act in faith, not out of fear.
I am a Gulf War I era veteran. Have you served?
Pray tell (as you want to frame your argument in terms of Christianity, pun applies) what does one having served have to do with one's opinion or "Patriotism?"
YES I'M SCREAMING (doubly so by CAPPING AND BOLDING) and screaming mad at your madness.
BTW, thank you for your service, but as I also served (18 months in Nam) I guess I get equal time and my "Patriotism" will not be questioned?"
Thus I throw this up to you: When I took the oath of enlistment ("I, (NAME), DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; AND THAT I WILL OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED OVER ME, ACCORDING TO REGULATIONS AND THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE. SO HELP ME GOD." ) I considered it a solemn pledge FOR LIFE and not simply for the 8 years I served.
Was that the same for you?
If so, HOW can you possibly NOT oppose the (SELF-ADMITTED and PROVEN) "Domestic Enemy" who presently occupies the Oval Office; has shown a willingness to appease/defend/support "Foreign Enemies" (ISLAMIC JIHADISTS) as well as working diligently to DESTROY our Great Republic.....
...and NOT do everything humanly possible to ensure he does not get a chance to complete his Marxist/Commie/Islamic agenda which no doubt he will if re-elected....
...even if that means compromising your so called "ethics" and "morals" by if not supporting and voting for Mittens (your choice and right)....
....at least NOT encouraging others to do the same, KNOWING the outcome will be disastrous for Amerika, yet apparently, no giving a damn about the consequences?
HOW can one possibly equate Mitt's moderate/liberal record (as bad as it admittedly is) with Dear Leader's proven one?
Your are putting a lot of stock in our retaining control of the house and even long shot odds of taking the Senate.
Be that as it may, based upon the FASCIST, Neo-Commie's proclivities to ignore the Constitution, Congress and even the SCOTUS, do you think for one moment a Republican-Controlled Congress will stop him for "RULING" by fiat, diktakes and Executive Orders?
WHO WILL STOP HIM?
The wuss RINO's (such as the Weeper of the House, Bone-er or Mitch--"Afraid of his own shadow and RINO extraordinaire"--McConnell?) or maybe the Supreme Court?
I put it all on the line to defend my country and love it too much to see it destroyed and I'll crawl over broken glass to vote for anyone who will oppose (and hopefully prevail, thereby removing this "threat") in November;....
....it is either that or I foresee having to put it all on the line again (LITERALLY) in fighting to save our Republic if O'Bummer is re-elected, and though I'm willing and able if push comes to shove, I'm getting a little long in the tooth to want to consider that option.
Do as you will or your conscience dictates; if you have a "death wish" be my guest and don't vote, but PLEASE refrain from using Christianity, Patriotism and phony "maybe and perhaps" scenarios we "might" expect to experience under an Romney Administration based upon his past record.
Governing a State is different than governing a Country
As bad as Boosh was, and as big a RINO as he was, and as much as I hated many of the policies and programs he advanced and supported, he NEVER set out to DESTROY the United States and I am CONVINCED, neither would Romney.
CAN YOU SAY THE SAME FOR BARRY, BARACK, HUSSEIN, SOETORO, OBAMA?
Case closed: Class dismissed!!!
One of the most truthfully incisive phrases ever published on this website.
He's not campaign against anything. But he'll say anything to get your vote.
I am sad to say that yours was a very excellent post.
With respect, nmmom, that you attribute that kind of petty, small motivation to folks who rejected McCain, exhibits the very kind of contempt YOU yourself would face if, God forbid, Romney wins.
I've been accused of rejecting Romney because of "rage." The accusation is wrong: I reject Romney because of REASON.
>>The accusation is wrong: I reject Romney because of REASON. <<
That would stand if you were given the choice of Romney against a liberal.
This fight is not liberalism, it’s Marxism. Including Marxist Supreme Court Justices who will kill your dreams forever.
I love my children enough to make my time now a bit uncomfortable. Like a poster upthread said, Romney is like a root canal. Awful but needed. Because if you let Obama fester, you lose the whole jaw.
>>Nazism and Communism are offspring of the same ism, of which Romney’s record is no different than Obama’s. <<
You need to read up.
Nazis targeted Jews, homosexuals etc, while the Soviets targeted officers and intelligence, thus preparing the turf to enslave a people by removing its educated classes and people capable of organizing any kind of resistance.
Obama and his ilk plan to do both and the only way to stop them from getting their hands on the Supreme Court is to vote in someone else.
>>That’s pure crap and I won’t accept it. We came out and voted in droves for Palin, and it still wasn’t enough. When this November becomes a repeat of 2008, you can stuff the stupid notion that we Conservatives who refuse to vote for Romney are to blame for another Obama win up your hind end.<<
Oh what a sweet little flower you are. Sorry you can’t see reality, but that is exactly what happened. Whether you accept it or not.
Romney is NOT like a root canal he is a Frontal Lobotomy. You may indeed “need” one. I sure as hell do not.
>>Romney is NOT like a root canal he is a Frontal Lobotomy. You may indeed need one. I sure as hell do not.<<
Well actually, understanding that I worked Psych, in my professional opinion, you’re projecting.
Thats just stupid. Sitting out last time in 2008 got us Obamacare, porkulus, a horrible economy, and a whole bunch of other harmful things.
You need to read up. Nazis targeted Jews, homosexuals etc, while the Soviets targeted officers and intelligence, thus preparing the turf to enslave a people by removing its educated classes and people capable of organizing any kind of resistance.
I need to read up??
Look toots, your reply is not even within the ballpark of the statement I made. It's like if I said "The sun is shining" and you reply with "Orange juice from Florida is the best". Your reply lists the TACTICS of how each despotic system dealt with their political enemies (and not exactly correct either). How does that have anything to do with the statement that Communism and Fascism come from the same parent: Socialism??
Given your reply, I am FAR more read up on the subject than you are.
Oh what a sweet little flower you are. Sorry you cant see reality, but that is exactly what happened. Whether you accept it or not.
No, it's not reality and I don't accept it anymore than I accept your reply to the point I made that Communism and Fascism have the same father. When two liberals run for office, the greater liberal is going to win. Same is true with Socialists.
I know you like to tell yourself McCain lost because Conservatives stayed home, but that would lie in face of facts that Conservatives turned out and voted for Palin. We lost 2008 for the same exact reason we're going to lose in November, the Ruling Class chose the loser for us to run.
Deal with it. Or not.
>>Look toots, your reply is not even within the ballpark of the statement I made. <<
*Yawn* Right. Sorry you can’t follow. No worries.
Later Comrade. Good luck on your trip to the camps.
If you want to see who is dividing us vis a vis Romney, you better take a look in a mirror.
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