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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Magic Fingers
I hope I haven't been sactimonious, but I can't vote for a pro-abortion, big government, anti-gun liberal like Romney.

And I don't think he can win. The GOP has a poor record when it comes to running moderates and liberals.

No sale.

/johnny

1,301 posted on 05/05/2012 11:11:54 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Finny

For God Gave Us ...A Spirit Not Of Fear But Of Power....2 Timothy 1:7


1,302 posted on 05/05/2012 11:13:25 AM PDT by caww
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To: volunbeer
You win the fight with what you have at that moment. You worry about getting a better rifle, pistol, stick, or takedown move after you win the fight in front of you.

Well said, and true. I love it! Sincerely. It's a sad smile, though: "Win the fight" -- by electing a politician with a documented record of advancing five major liberal positions that I've always voted Republican to oppose.

See, that doesn't look like a "win," especially when evidence is ample that the polished, slick individual in question has demonstrated pretty progressive tyrannical tendencies and has a camp that is ruthless, arrogant, devious, and holds conservatives in contempt.

That looks like losing, to me.

It looks like losing in order to avoid a confrontation with Obama, a guy most Americans either loath or have come to regret. The reason "rebellion is in the air" is because a tyrannical minority has illegitmately seized power of the majority -- the fracas over voter ID is a small but profound indicator of that. Most Americans loathe Obama; observation tells me that regardless of what image the MSM tries to project, the reality is that most Americans are sick of Obama. We already know that most Republicans reject Romney.

Just some observations.

1,303 posted on 05/05/2012 11:26:17 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Conservative legislature would force executive branch, (O'Romney), to govern in the Right direction. The problem for me lies in allowing the hard left to select a single Scotus nominee within the next four yrs of an Obama admin. A pledge from any GOP senatorial candidate to defeat any potential Obama nominee that wasn't a strict constitutionalist would ease some of my apprehension about not voting for Romney.
1,304 posted on 05/05/2012 11:35:00 AM PDT by Kudsman
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To: Graewoulf

Any strategy to clear Romney out of the nomination to make way for a limited government conservative, is okay by me.


1,305 posted on 05/05/2012 11:43:26 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The other issue on my mind is that of allowing the fifth column to attach the moniker of conservative to Romney. His actions will be purposely misconstrued as conservative as well, even as we know them to be a continuation of socialist statism. If obamacare is upheld in whole or part the resulting catastrophe will also be attached to a four year Romney admin.


1,306 posted on 05/05/2012 11:49:49 AM PDT by Kudsman
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To: JRandomFreeper

I hope I haven’t been sactimonious, but I can’t vote for a pro-abortion, big government, anti-gun liberal like Romney.
And I don’t think he can win. The GOP has a poor record when it comes to running moderates and liberals. No sale.”

You certainly haven’t been sanctimonious to me and I appreciate your position. However, my position on another 4 years of the insinuation of outright Communism into every facet of government and our personal lives by Obama and his minions, feverishly working to implement the “fundamental change” they’ve dreamed of their entire lives, is likewise...”no sale”. And of course Romney can’t win if a sufficient number of people don’t vote for him, but Obama can be denied a final crack at destruction if enough do. What I’ve seen so far (even with a Repub-dominated House) gives me zero encouragement that Zero will be reined in in any meaningful way in the coming term. I never gave a thought to voting for Romney until it became apparent that he’s the only one with a theoretical chance of beating Obama, but I don’t think it’s “chicken little” thinking to be concerned that the effect of the 2008 coup may never be sufficiently undone if it’s allowed to continue for another 4 years. If nothing else, Romney’s not remotely as skilled at (or committed to) destroying the country and implementing Communism as Obama is. I understand that your mileage may vary :)


1,307 posted on 05/05/2012 11:52:22 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Bigun

We are hunting RINO!

It is a target rich environment!


1,308 posted on 05/05/2012 12:03:31 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yawn. If you actually were being honest about Mitt Romney’s positions, you’d actually record them accurately rather than respam the same old biased GIGO.


1,309 posted on 05/05/2012 12:11:43 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

“If you want to influence the outcome, you choose D or R”

“No, if you want to influence the outcome, then you take the game away from the GOP-E and the rest of the politicos who have gamed it to their advantage.”

Letting Obama win another term doesnt do that.
Instead it lets Obama complete his project to turn USA into a Euro-socialist secularist big government cradle-to-grave welfare state.

The place to move the party is in primaries; the presidential primary is over, there is a chance to impact the GOP-E in other primaries (eg replacing Lugar with Mourdock in indiana).

“As it stands now, “choosing D or R” is not exercising influence. It’s exercising no choice at all. “

The choice is Romney v Obama. If you dont see a difference, you are not paying attention.


1,310 posted on 05/05/2012 12:18:25 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: Magic Fingers; All
That’s the power of Mitt-rage for ya...

That's the contempt of Pro-Romney folks for ya ... letting quite a few of us here, including the site's owner, know loud and clear that you're so stupid you would reject Romney only and purely out of rage, like a little spoiled child, because you are such a dolt. You reject Mitt only because of your "rage," silly little thing.

1,311 posted on 05/05/2012 12:25:18 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

“Let’s take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!”

I do so agree Jim. Let’s respect the fact that we don’t always have to agree on each and every issue - as long as we do agree on the “basics”.

1. We are a Republic - and saving the Republic, our Constitution and our Bill of Rights is more important than our little petty disagreements.

2. We have people in our government who are hell bent on tearing this country apart .. and I, for one, am hell bent on not allowing that to happen.

3. R-e or not, we do know the R-e are terrified of the Tea Party .. and well they should be. I’ve seen a total resurgence lately, which proves they are not dead at all .. as the left hoped. With this information, we do have leverage we can use to nudge (or shove - as the case may be) the R-e more to the right.

4. Don’t forget your local and state-wide elections .. they can be more important than you think.


1,312 posted on 05/05/2012 12:28:02 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: WOSG

“Letting Obama win another term doesnt do that.
Instead it lets Obama complete his project to turn USA into a Euro-socialist secularist big government cradle-to-grave welfare state.”

And he has been primed and trained his entire life to accomplish just that, and he has saturated the government with people of like mind. We underestimate his skill and determination to destroy the country at our peril. The full extent of the inroads he’s already made won’t be fully known for years, if ever. Four more years of these termites wrecking the foundation - and institutionalizing their presence in perpetuity via regulations - may present an unrecoverable situation.


1,313 posted on 05/05/2012 12:32:56 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: WOSG
The choice is Romney v Obama. If you dont see a difference, you are not paying attention.

Remember that old adage, "A stiff prick has no conscience"? It's the same way here with the moral masturbation of those who claim that since there's no intrinsic difference between Obama and Romney withholding a vote from Romney with the result of Obama winning is a moral thing to do. And just as a boner often leads to a jettisoning of reason, so does the desire to be right above all else lead to doing something, anything, no matter how contrary to reason (such as equating what Obama actually IS as president with what they FEAR Romney will be) and to one's own welfare (the continuance of Obama's actual policies versus the possibility of having a House, Senate, and Presidency that could be pressured to start reversing them), in order to be able to say, "See? I was right but I'm still not to blame."
1,314 posted on 05/05/2012 12:33:49 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: rogue yam
There have been many Romney supporters on FR over the years but there has also been a concerted and ugly campaign to drive them away and silence them.

{^) LOL![^))

Try going back to some Romney threads during the 07-08 primaries when Romney supporters were an open part of the FReeper mix. The "concerted" part was more concentrated on the conservatives' side, and the "ugly" part was most assuredly dominated by the Romney side. They were cleaned out because they were ugly and shrill and hostile, pretty much as a group -- it was amazing.

1,315 posted on 05/05/2012 12:36:01 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: knews_hound

bye...


1,316 posted on 05/05/2012 12:37:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: WOSG
Yawn. If you actually were being honest about Mitt Romney’s positions, you’d actually record them accurately rather than respam the same old biased GIGO.

I'm not talking about his ever-shifting positions, I'm talking about his record.

Another act of sophistry on your part.

Another act of dishonesty by a Mitt Romney supporter, how unexpected.
1,317 posted on 05/05/2012 12:38:02 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Finny

This site’s owner and other anti-Romney folk don’t reject Romney out of rage, “like a spoiled little child”. OTHERS DO, and their spew has been evident even though you “haven’t seen it”. Once again, if the shoe doesn’t fit, DON’T WEAR IT. The fact that you repeatedly insist on carrying that banner indicates that perhaps it does.


1,318 posted on 05/05/2012 12:40:46 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Finny
........"Win the fight" -- by electing a politician with a documented record of advancing five major liberal positions that I've always voted Republican to oppose?

See, that doesn't look like a "win,".... especially when evidence is ample that the polished, slick individual in question has demonstrated pretty progressive tyrannical tendencies and has a camp that is ruthless, arrogant, devious, and holds conservatives in contempt. That looks like losing, to me.

It looks like losing in order to avoid a confrontation with Obama,..... a guy most Americans either loath or have come to regret. The reason "rebellion is in the air" is because a tyrannical minority has illegitmately seized power of the majority.

Most Americans loathe Obama; observation tells me that regardless of what image the MSM tries to project, the reality is that most Americans are sick of Obama. We already know that most Republicans reject Romney

Just some observations"...........

Bump! Yep!

1,319 posted on 05/05/2012 12:42:26 PM PDT by caww
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To: WOSG
The choice is Romney v Obama. If you dont see a difference, you are not paying attention.

As I said in this thread:

Why Christians and Patriots CANNOT vote for Mitt Romney (Vanity)

Because we know that the possibilities of a Romney presidency (with perhaps Republican control of the House and Senate) are worse than the actuality of Obama's first four years plus four more finishing what he started?

Gee, omniscience is such a great thing!

"And if asked by the psychotic axe-wielding murderer where the rest of his intended victims are hiding, I'll tell him, because, you know, it's a sin to lie and there's no way I'm going to do that! Eh? What about the butchery of the victims that happens as a result? It's not my fault. I made the moral choice and the murderer made his moral choice but there's no necessary connection between my revealing their location and his slaughtering them."

There are some things that are worse than others. The actuality of Obama as president is worse than the feared awfulness of Romney as president. The former actually has happened. The latter is only feared to happen. Equating the two and choosing to let the former happen because of the latter by not voting for the latter is an exercise in impaired reasoning, muddled morality, and defective judgment.
1,320 posted on 05/05/2012 12:45:27 PM PDT by aruanan
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