Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
And I said that WHERE?
Quit lying about me, troll.
And I said that WHERE?
Quit lying about me, troll.
Good luck, FRiend. As I said before, if you can still vote for Newt or Santorum in your primary you should. That will send a message, and if enough people did it, deny Romney delegates.
I don’t like Romney and don’t expect much from him if he wins. One thing for sure, I despise the Marxist. Four more years of him will lead to the total destruction of our freedom.
At least we have a slim chance on influencing Romney.
Do you really expect him to win?
That is what I always do. I never vote ‘straight ticket’ and my CC lives down the street so I am aware of State and local laws.
Thank you very much, Bigun!!
Thank you very much, JD!!
Thank you very much, bcsco!!
I dont think I have seen a single freeper that selected Romney as their first choice. I am a Newt Supporter, but to answer your question, let me make further comparisons between Romney and the Kenyan by asking you to consider the following questions:
Which candidate has a deep-seated, visceral hatred for America?
Which candidate has a similar hatred for White Americans?
Which candidate is not just a supporter of gays, but has exhibited such deviant behavior?
Which candidate is a closet Muslim?
Which candidate supports Muslim operations around the world?
Which candidate has a spouse that shares the same hatred?
Which candidate most hates free enterprise?
Which candidate has actually earned much of his way to the top of his field and which has had everything delivered in his lap because of his race?
Which candidate allies himself with marxist pigs, known terrorists, and open racists?
And finally, and most importantly, which candidate has a corrupt old media on his side and has a well-planned plot to divide his opposition by making sure his opponents split their ticket, thereby assuring his second term?
I will not fall for this demRAT-trap.
A vote for anyone other than the GOP nominee is a vote for Obama.
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No, it is a vote against BOTH of them. There is no logical reason why Romney should have gotten THIS far. The GOP is dying and it will be painful and their own damn fault. This was our election to lose and lose it we shall, because ONCE AGAIN, the GOP fed us vomit as a candidate.
It would be hypocritical of me to vote for Romney and I am no hypocrite. I will vote my conscience - the GOP be damned.
I have chosen wisely. I have chosen God.
I heard the same crap when Clinton was being re-elected. We're still here.
But if you haven't noticed, LBJ pretty much killed off the last of our freedom with help from the GOP.
Not voting for any liberal. Ever. Including Romney.
Romney's actions as governor of Massachusetts can be explained two ways. Either he's a left winger or he's an opportunist. We know he's a liar. Leftists and opportunists both lie, so knowing he lies doesn't resolve the question.
An opportunist has no principles and will govern based on public opinion polls and lobbying. The United States is not a left wing country, so a man hoping to be reelected president would face different pressures than a man governing one of the most liberal states.
Since we know Obama is a leftist while we only suspect Romney may be one there's a chance, however small, that Romney will govern to the right of Obama.
That's my endorsement.
Thank you very much, Bainbridge!! We are the resistance!!
Absolutely!! Thank you very much, McGruff!!
Thank you! >.<
I am sure there are some here that are just throwing gasoline into the fire to make a bonfire out of it. I am satisfied that I am usually able to ignore (or at least not reply) to the trolls, knowing that they fell lonely real fast if there are no replies.. but sometimes, I slip :p
No, but that doesn’t matter honestly. I don’t expect Romney to win either, even if I did compromise ALL of my beliefs and vote for him.
I would rather vote my conscience. I have been in ministry (actual ministry) to the LDS for almost 20 years, it would be hypocritical to vote for one for POTUS knowing what I know. I won’t do it.
The GOP should have had this election in the bag, and who do they give us? Mittens. No thanks.
I was going to wait to reply to your reply to me about the write ins.. but I should go ahead and thank you now, just in case I forget... I will check up on that (Texas).
Thank you very much, Moose4!! How do you eat an elephant? One donkey, one RINO at a time!!
I'll check the options but I really don't think He's running.
If forced to pick between having my leg being amputated or being shot in the head..
I'll pick amputation and hope to hobble along to a better choice next time.
Voting for fried chicken when it isn't on the menu only gets you shot in the head.
With you 100% on that count!!
Maybe we disagree and that is okay. But this is not a breathless obituary. I am sure FR is not going anywhere anytime soon. It will continue to exist in some form. However, the wounds are deep and the scars will be permanent in that so many long-time posters are now gone. Posters with sign-up dates of 1998, even 1997, have been culled from the herd. Some have been among the most insightful posters FR ever had and perhaps ever will.
In my view, the most harmful participants are those who gang up and encircle a person, drive them to the ground and then claim they failed the purity test of the moment. All while professing to speak on behalf of the owner.
And then what do they do? They send sappy, glittering pictures to one another with expressions of friendship.
Jim I recall the days when Clinton was being pushed on us. His election was disheartening to FreeRepublic viewers like myself. With your dedication we came out of those years stronger with more feeling for our Constitution. The last, at least four, years just show how entrenched the ‘change’ group was and is. It is good to hear you saying to hold the course even though we have to make tactical changes. The truth about Obama and his enablers and anyone who mimics their social schemes will be exposed and with FR at the front again our Constitution will indeed take It’s place as the light on the hill for all other nations to adore again.
Thank you very much, SAWTEX!!
I meant to put your name in the TO: part, but forgot.. frustration messes with you sometimes :p
And I totally agree with your original post.
Thank you very much, advertising guy!!
Go, tea party!!
I respect your thoughts,but where will the pressure come from? Do you think the Democrats will run a candidate who is to the right of an incumbent Romney in 2016.
I don't think so.
I think 4 years from now we will be trying to hold our noses and vote for a left wing Romney because as bad as he has been he will not be as bad as the left wing Democrat candidate.
And we will all be doing so to save our country from the leftists.
Hear you. But here are my choices:
Choice a: 100% certainty that I lose my freedom within 4 years
Choice b: live to fight another day
I chose b.
Will never be one of the “one percenters,” but we are paying our bills. Thank you very much, Jacquerie!!
I didn’t mean vote for God. I meant vote based upon my Christian principles and that means NOT voting for someone who supports abortion and gay marriage.
If you vote for Romney you de facto vote for his policies. Sorry, gunner, I can’t do that.
My faith must come before politics.
coulda made a last stand by beating MITT in NC, but there was no energy for it.
NEWT is not the gipper.
NEWT is not Sarah.
Without a leader, work locally. Congress ‘12 and Congress ‘14.
Her eldest sister will be 37 by the time she is born That is one huge age range - and yeah, we got careless
I heard the same during the Clinton re-election. Right here on FR. I heard that FR would be shut down on Jan 21st if Clinton won.
I think you are being hysterical.
And I still won't vote for Romney, because he's a pro-abortion, anti-gun, big government liberal.
edited from my previous post:
My hope and dream, and those of many I talk to, is that before the next election we form a huge, powerful conservative coaltion with an extremely well funded super PAC. Before the next mid terms and especially before the next Presidential, we have a plan in place to pre-vet and pre select OUR conservative candidate.
We have a platform that any potential candidate to our wing of the GOP, or new Country party ,( or whatever we call it) must pledge to uphold. We have leadership that looks at those who dare call themselves conservative to see what theyve really stood for and voted for.
Set a standard for what is acceptable % compliance and then from among the available candidates, vet them and come up with ONE that will run within the GOP against whoever the GOPe decides to put up for their candidate. Or alternatively on a third party ticket.
I think we could take back the GOP doing this up and down the ticket, but we cant do it with this continual circular firing squad. As someone said, even Reagan might not have gotten the nomination in this climate.
Conservative Candidate selection, DONE BEFORE THE PRIMARY SEASON STARTS!
ONE CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE to go up against the GOPe choice!
Fair enough. But let's think about that.
Who have you voted for in the past and what were their policies?
Did those policies MAKE A DAMNED BIT OF DIFFERENCE as regards your core issues?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Romney fan. I've been mocking the
son of a bitch for at least six years around here, maybe more.
As soon as I heard about him anyway.
But look at it.. good guys, bad guys, the crap sandwich doesn't change.
The option we have now is to fail soon or fail a bit later.
I'd rather fail a bit later and pile up some more ammo and liquor.
Jim, behind you 100% as always. God bless you and God bless the United States of America.
Most Pizza Hut's have anchovies if you ask for them.
I've heard a lot of reasons on this forum, why I should vote for Romney, nut that is first one which actually may cause me reconsider.
Does this still mean that Romney voters or supporters will be banned?
How different this campaign would’ve been with Sarah in the race. The difference between day and night, good and evil!! She is a campaign dynamo!! Twenty thousand plus turn out in Searchlight Nevada, pop 107!! Do you miss her yet?
Brothers-in-arms Jim. Hooah.
I compromised in the past, when I voted for Dole, Bush and McCain. I can no longer do it. We say we next time will be different and next time is ALWAYS worse. I’m done. God has really laid it on my heart not to compromise about this. I must follow God.
Peace brother, I don’t think I will be around much. I can’t stand watching people cave in.
Rather I will be working on my new ministry and my books. Perhaps I will be back after the election.
“And I said that WHERE? Quit lying about me, troll.”
Un-wad your panties. From my #771: “If either of you are not one of those goofballs, sorry - it wasnt intended for you.”
Awesome, you are. Thanks.
I’ll shoot ya a freep mail of speakers events etc
You just had to go and spoil things with a bunch of facts, didn’t you?
I voted for McCain because of Sarah. If he had chosen any other VP candidate, I don't know what I would have done. Now I'm in the same (or worse) position. I will wait and see who he chooses for a VP...hopefully, a real Conservative, in which case, I will once again hold my nose and vote for the VP.
I hoped and prayed that Sarah would run, but under the circumstances, I totally understand her reluctance! I am so afraid for the future my children and grandchildren face. I am scared to death that Ru Paul will pull a Perot on us. In a perfect world, there is no way I could ever vote for Romney, but once again, he is the better of two evils, the other evil being the worst evil ever visited upon this country! At least there is a chance that Romney would replace the outgoing Supremes with other-than-Marxists! Personally, I feel that we have to vote for Romney. The alternative is tantamount to giving the vote to Obama. Four more years of his regime, and I truly believe there will never be another election! (I hope I'm wrong, but the writing is on the wall.)
In the meantime, I pray every day that God will deliver us from Obama and his henchmen. If it weren't for prayer, I would feel totally helpless...
Well I can’t argue much with that.
You do what you gotta do and God be with you and guide your steps.
Me, I’m going for more ammo and liquor..