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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!


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To: WOSG; P-Marlowe
The place to move the party is in primaries; the presidential primary is over,

Actually, it's not. There are plenty of Californians wondering why they wait so long to vote.

Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Oregon, Arkansas, Kentucky, Texas, California, New Mexico, S Dakota, Nebraska, Montana, and Utah all beg to differ with you.

That's somewhere around 600 delegates, all of which is again proof that the primary system stinks.

I would favor a system wherein each congressional district elected a respected, elector, him or herself presidential caliber, and then all the electors would gather in a "presidential conference" and they would then caucus and vote to determine the party's nominee from their midst or from some stellar nominee not in their midst upon whom they agree.

This is similar to the method the Founders envisioned the presidential election taking place. (It is visible in the Constitution.)

1,351 posted on 05/05/2012 4:51:55 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode not Evil (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: Finny
You reject Mitt only because of your "rage," silly little thing.

Time to quote your own tagline to you:

"By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid."

1,352 posted on 05/05/2012 4:52:00 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kudsman; Jim Robinson
His actions will be purposely misconstrued as conservative as well, even as we know them to be a continuation of socialist statism.

This is a huge point. If Romney's in the White House, it allows him to define "conservative", or more precisely, to redefine it according to the pleasure of the GOP-E, the way Bush 41 did, and to redefine us as crankers, soreheads, and most of all, losers -- us, the heirs and grateful sustainers of our ancestors' vision -- and break us to choreboy in the house our fathers built.

1,353 posted on 05/05/2012 4:58:08 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: buffaloguy

Nice. Just to be clear, I wasn’t be sarcastic at all. Even in a state like Texas, I would never expect a city as large as Houston to vote Republican.


1,354 posted on 05/05/2012 5:05:19 PM PDT by Norman Bates
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m glad to hear this Jim. And hopefully, you’ll reconsider, hold your nose, and pull the lever for Romney. Our first goal must be to send O packing, IMO.

I just made a contribution, but by all that’s holy, I’m going back and DOUBLING IT! Stay well. We need you.

And we need each other...


1,355 posted on 05/05/2012 5:21:21 PM PDT by Humidston (For the first time in my adult life I FEAR my government.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Um ... you mean that saying something is stupid is the equivalent of hate and rage? Is that what you’re saying?


1,356 posted on 05/05/2012 5:26:30 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: sneakers
I’m just sick to death of having to hold my nose when I vote though.

I'm sick of having my primary vote be purely symbolic.

The primary system is badly broken, we need to fix it.

1,357 posted on 05/05/2012 5:26:56 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Got it... thanks for the warning!


1,358 posted on 05/05/2012 5:33:40 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Running in circles and screaming is not a strategy.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Don’t mention it!


1,359 posted on 05/05/2012 5:40:38 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Jim Robinson


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Thank you, Jim Robinson, for sponsoring the best Conservative site on the world-wide-web. It is (!), and we appreciate it, and you, with our support and our contributions.
We need Free Republic and each other!

1,360 posted on 05/05/2012 6:08:01 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
You expressed my sentiments, exactly.
Thank you, Colonel.

1,361 posted on 05/05/2012 6:21:52 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Savage Beast
Is it possible that a brokered Republican Convention could deny Romney the nomination and result in the nomination of Gingrich?

A brokered convention will only happen if, every non-Romney supporter, votes for a single candidate, who isn't Romney, doesn't matter which one, in the remaining primaries. Doesn't need to be the same one in each state, just within a state. This to take delegates away from Romney.

But if that extremely unlikely event should occur, I don't think any of the contenders would be a good choice. Has to be someone else that hasn't been tarred by other Republicans. He/she will get tarred enough by the media.

But, if Romney is the candidate, and loses, the Republican party will likely go the way of the Whigs. But it might not matter, since a long dark age will likely descend on the Republic.. and the world.

1,362 posted on 05/05/2012 6:26:22 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
The Tea Party will never succeed unless it starts by winning at the local or state level. Doctrinaire conservatives are a minority in this country.

They have, they also won in the House races in '10.

As to your second statement, I suppose it depends on what you mean by "doctrinaire", but you're beginning to sound like the GOP-e types.

1,363 posted on 05/05/2012 7:11:12 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: MNlurker
Basically we need to have a conservative primary before the Republican primary...

That might work. But maybe, we need to just do away with single party primaries. Have a free for all, with the top two or three vote getters going on to the General Election. Somewhat analogous to the Constitution's provisions for the case where no one gets a majority of the electoral vote.

The parties have entirely too much control over the entire process. The Constitution doesn't anticipate parties, maybe our elections under it, and the rules for Congressional operations shouldn't either.

Parties exist to elect candidates and then "share the wealth". Well, we are rapidly running out of wealth to share.

I'm well aware of the downsides to that approach, but keeping on doing what isn't working, and is actually hurting, doesn't seem an indication of intelligence either.

1,364 posted on 05/05/2012 7:24:23 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: ArrogantBustard
We stayed home on Stupor Tuesday, and all those other primaries.

Texas was supposed to vote on Super Tuesday.. but a federal court intervened, and as of now we are supposed to vote on May 29, 2012, with any necessary runoffs to be held on July 31st.

Wonder if the situation would be different if the Texas primary, which contributes lots of delegates, had been held on Super Tuesday?

1,365 posted on 05/05/2012 8:06:49 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: expat2

“We need to pool all our resources toward defeating Obama and then, after the election, we need to put all our effort into changing the RNC and getting conservatives ahead of the RINOS around the country.”

Exactly!

We need to clean house, and get rid of these limp wristed, knee knocking, effeminate, panty wetting, closet communists in the RNC.

No more pandering to the wishy washy “moderates” either..... I don’t care if hurts their feelings. Tough crap, this ain’t Burger King, and they sure as hell don’t deserve to have it “their way”.


1,366 posted on 05/05/2012 8:31:56 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: rogue yam
If Winston Churchill was here he'd slap you right across your blubbing mouth.

The world today is ruled by harassed politicians absorbed in getting into office... or turning out the other man so that not much room is left for debating the great issues ...'on their merits.”

― Winston S. Churchill-

How about on every ballot we include "None of the above"........ what that is is 'a vote of no confidence in your government'.... I'm willing to bet that in this election between Romney and Obama, 'None of the Above' would win.

1,367 posted on 05/05/2012 8:34:00 PM PDT by caww
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To: OSHA

“Fractured conservative voteing is what gave us McCain, it gave us Romney. I don’t see any way to a different outcome 4 years from now.”

Don’t forget those open primaries where democrats crossed over to vote for weak candidates such as Juan McLame.


1,368 posted on 05/05/2012 8:37:02 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I am sorry I have just gotten around to weighing in on this thread...

Thank you, Jim, for this stand you now take. It is very reasonable and gracious.

Many who plan to “hold their nose” point out how they fear what Obama will do with four more years.

My vote will reflect my fear of God. I fear God much more than I fear Obama. Just the other day, I was referred to a video that asked Catholics to be values voters. I am not Catholic, but I do belong to the body of Christ, and if a person fears God, they know automatically how to vote.

I honestly believe that any **informed** person who would vote for Romney or Obama does not fear God. I believe they honestly think that playing the politics game of “who can win” is more important than honoring, respecting, and fearing God.

That may sound harsh, but the truth is, throughout the course of history, nations who fear God remain, and nations who refuse to fear God fall. We are going to fall because people who claim to be Christians are not 100% in the game.

What really amazes me, beyond the refusal to put God first, is the constant underestimation of God. As if God could not do anything with this tiny little world in the grand scope of eternal existence where the Great I Am is the single dweller?

What might actually happen if every person who CLAIMS to be a Christian, decided to actually BE A CHRISTIAN and refuse to vote for someone who supports abortion, homosexuality, polygamy, and greatest grievance of all— refusal to accept the deity of God?

What would happen is that God would take care of those people.

Who are we in America? Are we Christians or aren’t we. If we are, we vote that way, if we are not, we vote that way. There is really no gray area in the kingdom of God. There is right and wrong, good and evil, yes and no. Being on the fence is making a choice to stand with the devil. God knows that, whether the fence sitter recognizes it or not.

I love my Dear Father so greatly that I cannot stomach or comprehend ever casting a vote for a person who does not respect the Godhead and know the value of a nation led by that Godhead.

I implore all CHRISTIANS who are preparing to “hold their noses” and vote for Romney to prayerfully consider this passage and DARE to put their faith in God and not in politics.

II Kings 6:15-18.


1,369 posted on 05/05/2012 8:52:04 PM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

How bout Cheney 2016? He’s got a new heart after all.

I want him to look at Obama the same way he did in 2009. Only from the other side of the platform.


1,370 posted on 05/05/2012 9:26:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: struggle; ArrogantBustard

“Are you running for President in 2016?”

If I had the money, I’d give it a try.

I’d break up government unions, because government employees do not deserve better benefits than the people they work for, especially when they for the most part do less work.

Abolish about 80% of the government agencies and the various commissions. Those that remain would be realigned and streamlined.

I’d simplify the tax code, and cut the corporate tax rates to 10% thus allowing people to keep more of their hard earned money and keeping jobs here.

I’d do away with all of these absurd government regulations especially those that hurt the job creators.

I’d push to have the committee on un-American activities reinstated, and go after groups such as code pink, and individuals such as george soros, karl rove, and bill ayers.

I’d push to impliment term limits. Even if I have to go to the people to have referendums in every state.


1,371 posted on 05/05/2012 9:42:32 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: xzins

Ron Paul has to many enemies to win the Republican Nomination at an Open Convention in Tampa.

However, Ron Paul is one of the two keys, (Santorum being the other), to forcing an Open Convention in Tampa.

Ron Paul already has won 4 State Primaries, and needs to win just one more to qualify as a Nominee Candidate at the Tampa Convention.

This would greatly upset the GOP-E, but probably not Romney as he has always been clueless about how many voters really dislike him.

Although Ron Paul cannot win the Nomination in Tampa, he can along with our help create the proper environment for an OPEN CONVENTION in Tampa.

Then the Open Convention delegates can draft a REAL Republican.

Sort of a round-about way of bypassing the Romney/Obamalite/GOP-E sinking ship, but here is how I see it:

1.) Vote in large turnout numbers in the remaining Primaries, for Ron Paul as an ABR vote, (Anybody But Romney), especially if you vote in the May 29 Primary in Texas.

2.) Work and Lobby for an Open Convention.

3.) Draft a REAL Republican as the Republican Nominee.

An Open Convention will upset the Liberal Agenda Media, and their political consultants who already (in their minds) have Obama re-elected.

We need to draft a REAL Republican in 2012 and avoid the sorry Romney years if Romney beats Obama.

IMHO, Romney will loose by a hair to Obama which will require that Obama be immediately IMPEACHED in order to save our Republic.

Obama or Obamalite, the US Federal Government will not have it’s, and therefore our, financial house in order by 2016.

Thus, political resolution of the main problem: OVERSPENDING BY THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, may not be achievable in 2016.

Hence, it is IMPERATIVE that we have an OPEN Convention in Tampa so that a REAL Republican can be drafted, albeit kicking and screaming, to be the Republican Party Nominee for the Office of the President of the United States of America.

I have outlined above how voting for Ron Paul as a Primary wedge against Romney could lead to an Open Convention in Tampa.

Since Ron Paul cannot win the Nomination, he would serve as our last active best wedge hope of defeating Romney AND the GOP-E in an Open Convention.

Primary Candidate Ron Paul is the last active non-Romney Candidate left standing between the GOP-E’s Romney, (= probable loss to Obama in November), and an Open Convention of a Republican that can soundly defeat Obama.

A “win” over Obama is not enough, Obama MUST lose in a LANDSLIDE!!!!!!

NONE of the Primary Candidates have shown that they have that potential.

It is time for an Open Convention to choose the best Presidential Candidate.

It is time for us Conservatives to turn out in massive numbers in the remaining primaries, especially in the big electoral delegate states such as Texas, and vote for ANYBODY BUT ROMNEY!

Ron Paul needs only to win one more State Primary to qualify as a Nominee Candidate, and therefore is our best chance for an Open Convention to select a GREAT Nominee, such as Senator Jim DeMint.

I think a Real Republican would be our best choice, but first we must work to have an Open Convention in Tampa.

What say all of you?


1,372 posted on 05/05/2012 10:09:42 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Sal
the only chance left NOW to stop Romney is Paul. That's strategy not preference.

In many cases the other, now dropped out, contenders are still on the primary ballots. Because they dropped out too late to be removed. A vote for them is as good a vote for Paul... if everyone in a given state votes for the same one. Doesn't have to be the same one in each state. It's just necessary to take the delegates away from Romney. But voting for Paul puts in Paul delegates, likely of similar mind. Remember the convention nominally writes the party platform. Normally it's a platform approved by the nominee... but that might not be so much the case if it was a brokered convention.

1,373 posted on 05/05/2012 10:42:43 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you, JIm. I appreciate your wisdom and the direction that you give to FR and tea party activities


1,374 posted on 05/05/2012 10:53:11 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: El Gato
As to your second statement, I suppose it depends on what you mean by "doctrinaire", but you're beginning to sound like the GOP-e types.

Why don't you call me a racist while you're at it?

"Doctrinaire conservative" means you're a conservative and you know why you're a conservative. There are not too many of that type about, even at this forum.

1,375 posted on 05/05/2012 11:18:56 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: daisy mae for the usa

Bumping your post. Thank you, so much...


1,376 posted on 05/06/2012 1:02:06 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Wow; just saw this. This this the best course. See this Election as the 'devil or the deep blue sea'. No guarantees; but one can swim in the sea and survive.
1,377 posted on 05/06/2012 4:58:45 AM PDT by cricket (Easier to keep Mitt in line; than to derail Obama. NO four more. .)
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To: daisy mae for the usa

Thank you for that GREAT post.


1,378 posted on 05/06/2012 5:18:49 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: daisy mae for the usa
Excellent post!

"Ask not if God is on our side. Ask instead if we are on Gods side!"


1,379 posted on 05/06/2012 5:22:47 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Noted.


1,380 posted on 05/06/2012 7:02:16 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: texasblondie

No, it isn’t. Not voting is not voting. Only voting for Obama is a vote for obama. Votes are what they are - nothing more.


1,381 posted on 05/06/2012 7:11:06 AM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: xzins; All
I would favor a system wherein each congressional district elected a respected, elector, him or herself presidential caliber, and then all the electors would gather in a "presidential conference" and they would then caucus and vote to determine the party's nominee from their midst or from some stellar nominee not in their midst upon whom they agree.

That's a decent idea. You're correct in your assessment that the problem are the primaries.

I'm not sure a plurality, much less a commanding majority would be reached in that system however; I foresee many voting for themselves for the nomination, thus having the "winner" having at most maybe 1-5% of the total vote, which is not exactly a mandate of the GOP as a whole, thus weakening such a candidate considerably in the general election. After all, the Dems would love to hem and haw all day in the general how their GOP opponent only had 5% of the total GOP behind him, especially since their system of selection is so different.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but really, given the last two primaries, I think I have reason to be cynical as far as the GOP is concerned.

I suppose there could be a rule where one couldn't vote for oneself, but then to enforce that rule, open voting would have to be enforced, which would result in voter intimidation, based on back room deals of the "elite".

Really the central "problem" faced in the primaries, to be blunt, is the fact that the majority of the states that vote first, and thus set the tone or momentum of the eventual winner, are not filled with conservatives. See the table labeled "Early State Primaries" here (forgive the Wikipedia reference, but the timeline of primaries is not exactly controversial, at least as a now historical fact, so Wikipedia is a reliable source here).

Note that except for SC, the rest of the states are, at best, mixtures of "moderates to conservatives", with the "moderates" outnumbering the conservatives. I mean, we know that is a fact, I don't think I have to prove that here.

So therein lies the problem. In those states that set the tone, that give the early winner "momentum", there aren't enough conservatives to truly dictate who is actually conservative, to give that person momentum. This is why I said long ago, when all the Palin fans were giving her a pass for not having entered the race when, for example, Romney had, that if she intended to enter the race, she was being foolish, because this is when the real race is decided.

What I've stated is simply realistic, pragmatic fact. We can argue all day about how "the reason the momentum is set so early is because the media hypes it up", but it's pointless to, as the famous song says, "p*** into the wind". So, that is the problem that must be solved, not the media's hype, because we can't do anything about that, but the fact that the GOP has decided, for whatever reason (wink wink) that these states should go first.

So, what I would propose is a change in the way the state's order would be decided. We have the technology now to be able to make this happen. Every registered GOP voter should be given an opportunity to decide which STATE goes first in the primary, then which is second, and so on. It is my belief that there are enough true conservatives in the GOP that care enough about their country to vote appropriately. For example, I live in MD, but I have no fairyland dream that to vote for MD to go first would truly help a true conservative nominee.

That is the only way I can see to truly solve the issue of having moderates rammed down our throat every nomination cycle. That, and/or of course true conservatives (like Palin) actually getting in the race very early, to gain momentum through the old way. (The problem with the latter of course is that the establishment funds the moderate nominees enough that they can sustain early and long campaigns; to that end, we will have to become another "establishment", encouraging true conservatives to get in early, and funding them, if my idea above is unpalatable.)

These are the only two ways I can see of curtailing the establishment we have now, IMO.

1,382 posted on 05/06/2012 7:37:09 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

For some strange reason, my link to Wikipedia didn’t work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012


1,383 posted on 05/06/2012 7:39:47 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: dmartin

Congratulations and thank you for your service.


Thank you for the congrats!

The service - well 10 generations (12 including my son and oldest grandson) of army brats does tend to set your life goals!


1,384 posted on 05/06/2012 7:57:09 AM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: CharacterCounts
I respect your thoughts,but where will the pressure come from? Do you think the Democrats will run a candidate who is to the right of an incumbent Romney in 2016.

Pressure will come from Republican voters who oppose RINO priorities like tax increases and amnesty.

Bush backed down on Harriet Miers because of conservative pressure and Bush was a thousand times more stubborn than old Etch-o-sketch will be.

1,385 posted on 05/06/2012 8:37:38 AM PDT by MaxFlint
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To: Jim Robinson

I was going to give again anyhow, but any excuse is a good excuse when the wife is monitoring the bank account.


1,386 posted on 05/06/2012 8:45:41 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Jim Robinson; SierraWasp; tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach; All

Gov Conan wasn’t the greatest or probably even a fairly good conservative.

However, he set records re the number of his vetoes which prevente the rape and sacking of Californicator land by our rat legislature:

http://www.bing.com/search?q=number+of+vetoes+by+schwarzenegger&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=number+of+vetoes+by+schwarzenegger&sc=0-35&sp=-1&sk=

I don’t think that Moonbeam has vetoed a single bill, including many of Arnold’s vetoed bills that were resurrected by the socialist California legislature after they and Moonbeam took over.

Elect Romney and as many republicans as we can in the $inate and House and hold their feet to the fires of public outrage when they act like democrats.

This country can’t stand 4 more years of Obozo and his thugs.

If he is re elected, Obozo will stack the Supreme Court and do an FDR with terms until he passes on due to old age.

Thanks, Jim for this stand.

I had considered taking a sabatical re posting and my monthly donations until the election is over. Now that is not necessary.


1,387 posted on 05/06/2012 8:57:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Grampa Dave

If you ever do go on sabbatical take me with you
I need a vacation


1,388 posted on 05/06/2012 9:01:19 AM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: fml
Nope, if not for a spoiler Clinton would have likely lost. A Republican Revolution may have been a matter of course

If you think that would have been the case in the Bush v Clinton malaise regardless of the winner's percentage, then in honestly, you MUST admit a striking possibility of the same in this Obama v Romney malaise. {^) Come on, FRiend!! [^) "If not for a spoiler, Clinton would likely have lost." Really? I think if not for the spoiler, it's entirely up in the air as to who would have lost, as I think it's entirely up in the air which would win now, O or R.

And had Clinton WON with a majority, you really expect me to believe that you believe Republicans would have had the same momentum? Really??? Or do you know that the Republican "establishment" would have had the upper ground to warn conservative Republicans that they were a miniority? Just as they would if, God forbid, Romney wins? UNDERSTAND, FRiend, that Romney's people will be snuffing out every conservative uprising they see with the same contempt they have consistently exhibited toward conservatives, and you had BETTER RECOGNIZE NOW that a vote for Romney means a vote for a guy in office whose power elite will constantly remind Republican conservatives that the only reason the party has the White House at all is because of "moderates" like Romney, so conservatives had better sit down and behave themselves like good children, instead of raising a fuss like bad children.

WAKE UP AND THINK IT THROUGH.

Obama is hugely loathed, regretted, and even hated, including by a lot of folks who voted for him last time. If he wins again, then, another conservative Republican revolution may be "a matter of course" EXACTLY the same as you think it "may have been" with Clinton.

The TRUTH is that political support, being able to call a certain percentage of voters your "mandate," matters. An Obama elected by a splintered plurality would be put in a weakened and defensive position. I really hope there's a viable third party, and that's not its usual oymoron. "Viable" need only be good enough to make the winner enter office with a majority of the popular vote against him -- 66% would be nice, as in the "winner" takes office with 34% "confidence" of the people becaue the remaining 66% rejected that candidate.

1,389 posted on 05/06/2012 9:18:44 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim,

We have got to figure out a way to take the presidency.

Twenty years ago, I would have agreed that our true battlefields were local and state elections.

However, the problem is that the executive branch of government has been allowed to grab too much power. In my opinion this all started with Nixon.

Personally, I think it is time for a conservative third party.


1,390 posted on 05/06/2012 9:24:27 AM PDT by James Mott
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To: Grampa Dave

Here is a bit of reality about politicians....all politicians.
Their job is to get elected ...once elected they are running scared and they respond to pressure.
to get elected they will morph into whatever appeals to the constituency.
Had Romney been Gov of Texas and not Mass he would have morphed into a conservative.

At least Romney will respond to pressure from the right (unlike Obama)
The job of the right is to get him elected and start building bonfires under his feet....and keep them burning.

this would apply to Newt, Caine, or anyone who tried to get the nomination


1,391 posted on 05/06/2012 9:29:13 AM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: WOSG
The important thing here is that Obama will be unleashed in his second term to do everything he can to cement a ‘legacy’ which will disregard us, the voters, the constitution, etc. Obama’s victory will mean socialized medicine, high spending and high tax rates in USA forever.

That's the worst-case scenario, it attributes God-like powers to Obama, and wholesale cowardice to every other corner of government.

WOSG, you are a wonderful conservative with many great observations and ideas. However, back in 07-08, you preferred Romney over the other nominees. I've done a bit of in-forum reviewing, which is how I've come to admit and admire much of your thinking. But here's the truth: Romney was as bad then as he is now, and he LOST then, was REJECTED then, as he SHOULD be now. Don't you Party Standard people ever learn? I used to be a Party Standard person (hey, I dutifully voted for Schwarzenegger), and I learned! I know that I'm no smarter or better than you are. When are you going to smell the coffee???????

Frankly, I think we have a much better chance of successfully fighting off socialized medicine and higher taxes with Obama in office by a plurality fluke and a clear, documented majority opposed, than we have of fighting the same (which we would ABSOLUTELY ASSUREDLY GET) with a Republican in office pushing for his own legacy with all the key issues in alignment with Obama's, including socialized medicine and global warming ecotyranny.

Remember, WOSG, you more than most know in your heart that what I am saying is correct: Romney in office means a Republican power elite telling conservative Republicans: "Look, the only reason the GOP even has the White House is because of us 'moderates,' so sit down and shut up."

There comes a point -- and we have reached that point -- where voting "pragmatically" is voting against our own moral and finiancial self-interest.

1,392 posted on 05/06/2012 9:33:28 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Does anyone know how many primaries are left and which states? How many votes does each have?


1,393 posted on 05/06/2012 9:34:51 AM PDT by Wisconsinlady (reforms.wi.gov - To find the truth of what Gov. Walker is doing for Wisconsin)
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To: James Mott
Personally, I think it is time for a conservative third party.

United we stand, divided we fall.

A third party would split the anti-Obama vote.

1,394 posted on 05/06/2012 10:25:13 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: daisy mae for the usa

Thank you so much for expressing what has been on my heart for some time. When those who proclaim themselves Christians can support the most godless ideas and behaviors because they want to “win,” because they fear some man — any man, it is obvious they no longer fear God nor do they trust Him.

God cleans His own house first. Unless we turn back to Him quickly, I’m afraid something terrible is coming.


1,395 posted on 05/06/2012 10:39:04 AM PDT by Waryone (Remember your ABCS (anybody but commie socialists) = ABM (anybody but Mitt), ABO (anybody but Obama))
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To: El Gato
"But if that extremely unlikely event should occur, I don't think any of the contenders would be a good choice. Has to be someone else that hasn't been tarred by other Republicans. He/she will get tarred enough by the media."

Romney has been tarred by other Republicans.

The media will tar anyone the Republicans nominate.

Gingrich would be tarred with exceptional venom by the media, but he has the advantage of having had every possible misstep and fault already exposed ad nauseam and of having learned to game the system with expertise.

"But, if Romney is the candidate, and loses, the Republican party will likely go the way of the Whigs. But it might not matter, since a long dark age will likely descend on the Republic.. and the world."

Whether or not Romney be the candidate is beside the point. It makes no difference who the Republican candidate is, the dark scenario you describe still holds.

When I spoke of a long dark age, I was fully aware of its terrible meaning. Intentionally I left the words long and dark unmodified.

1,396 posted on 05/06/2012 10:43:59 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout fire in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth. " J. Goldberg)
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To: El Gato
Vide supra. This is why I insist that full support must be given to whoever the Republican candidate is, including Romney.
1,397 posted on 05/06/2012 10:46:35 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout fire in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth. " J. Goldberg)
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To: reaganaut

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, let’s try this comparison:

The goons show up on your doorstep one day and demand to thoroughly search your premises for firearms and ammo.

SCENARIO #1:
They find your stash and summarily (a) confiscate ALL your firearms and ammo and (b) execute you with one well placed shot to the head. They leave the rest of your possessions and memebers of your family intact.

SCENARIO #2:
They find your stash and (a)force you to watch while they proceed to leisurely rape and kill all the female members of your family and torture, (b) dismember and kill all the male members of your family, (c) confiscate ALL of your worldly possessions and then (d) maybe or maybe not kill you slowly as well.

I think it’s safe to say that both are evil acts.

I think most folks would also agree that #1 is the lesser of the two evils.


1,398 posted on 05/06/2012 11:33:27 AM PDT by CanuckYank
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To: Persevero

I’m talking about the RNC, who are absolutely terrified of Sarah because she’d generate enough public pressure to get the Republicans holding public office to get off their asses and do something. They’d rather sit in lame-duck status with nothing to do but fly around the country, golf, and stay in hotel suites at govt. expense. “Sorry, can’t draft any legislation with a Demo as president, he’ll just veto it.” The current status quo is the perfect excuse to sit and do nothing, which they are happily doing.

She chose not to run because the fix was in for Romney ever since he stepped aside for McCain in ‘08. Running as an independent is a victory for Obama.


1,399 posted on 05/06/2012 11:58:53 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks Jim. I knew that ultimately you would head off the “meltdown” predicted by the trolls, and regather the troops for the next battle.

F U B O !
.


1,400 posted on 05/06/2012 12:09:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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