Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
I agree. That is why I am opposed to saying we can't win or spending any time trashing Romney. If Obama wins after what he has done and given how he is running for re-election then his second term will be far worse than his first.
Got his nutz cut, and impeached (but not convicted), actually.
Nope. No vote for a GOP liberal here.
/johnny
I believe that is what Americans want....as a whole...and the majority... We have 'two socialists' running against each other while holding hands with both parties...and scamming the people out of every dime and nichol to further their shared agenda.
I cannot see this nation doing more now then going down the socialist road full bore...under either of them... What's to stop it?... they all just broke thru every gate and past every barrier we set up to even have a chance to stop them andd they are full speed ahead now.
It's pretty bad when a known Communist announces to the world ...that it's over and a New America is coming! Just as they have worked and dreamed about.
“I have often thought that perhaps in the future conservatives should consider onganizing better so that we dont have so many conservatives splitting up the conservative vote allowing a moderate republican to win the nomination. I dont know how that would be done.”
As I understand it, the process starts at the Precinct Committeeman level, where you go door to door and urge your neighbors to support your candidate. You and your fellow campaigners can select a different candidate from the one that the Republican Party Machine is endorsing. I’ve heard that’s the way to pack the ballot with real conservatives instead of electable moderates. Now why don’t I get off my butt and go volunteer to be a Precinct Committeeman? I really can’t answer that because I don’t know.
“Call it when it’s over.”
It’s over. Didnt Newt and Santorum give you the memo?
“it will settle out the way it settles out.”
Yes it will, precisely in the manner I outlined.
“Obama is going to win.”
Huh?!? First you cant even admit to Romney’s impending nomination even though he basically has zero competition left in the primary (nutball Ron Paul doesnt count, he has a ceiling of 20%).
Now you are predicting Obama winning a race 6 months from now, right after a bad job report that once again exposes Obama’s weakness and despite polls that show Obama undr 50% and the polls neck and neck.
Jeeeeeez.
“Get used to it. You are the one supporting them.”
LOL. I havent even had a chance to vote yet, and my guy dropped out. Actually my guys, plural, since I was Perry/Cain/Newt/Santorum ... LOL.
Now its Romney, because America needs ... Anyone But Obama.
“If Obama wins after what he has done and given how he is running for re-election then his second term will be far worse than his first. “
Agreed. Obama plus a Democrat Congress passed 2 decades worth of govt expanding liberalism in 2 years (Obamacare etc). Obama plus GOP House gave us backbiting galore and multiple near meltdowns, and a complete failure on the budget.
So whatever Congress Obama has to help him or stop him, it will be ..... very difficult.
Anyone who willingly casts a vote for Obama is a libtard ,period. Enjoy your sign up status Obot, you and your collaborators only fool the imbeciles here.
Taking a pic of O is a great idea!
After all the Santorum versus Newt versus Paul versus Cain versus Perry versus Bachmann etc. etc. it would be good to stop all the fighting.
I can’t vote for Romney no matter how much the RINOstream media whoops it up against Obama.
I’d be voting for Romney based on fear and resentment.
I’m not going that way but I am going to support conservative candidates and causes in the months ahead starting with the defense of Scott Walker in Wisconsin.
I will also support the congressional candidacy of Keith Rothfus in the 12th District of Pennsylvania.
Rothfus is taking on former John Murtha aide Mark Critz who currently holds the seat.
Sorry. Gun bans. Socialized medicine. $50 co-pay taxpayer-funded abortions. Homosexualized public schools. Left-wing judges.
If it walks like a leftist, and quacks like a leftist, it’s a leftist.
AMEN, Brother!
He can only appoint.
Last I heard; there is still something called the Confirmation Process.
I see THAT is going along just fine!
What name is missing? Why, It's Sarah Palin. To understand what happened to the conservatives, one need go no farther than that.
I don't think that she did it deliberately, but she teased the base for months - a time during which serious energy should have been devoted to serious candidates.
Thanks Jim. One consolation, there is still a lot of time between now and Election Day.....And I am afraid because the Reds know what will happen, they will “pull the trigger...”
In my view, the most harmful participants are those who gang up and encircle a person, drive them to the ground and then claim they failed the purity test of the moment. All while professing to speak on behalf of the owner.
And then what do they do? They send sappy, glittering pictures to one another with expressions of friendship.
You couldn't be more right.
For years now I have added material to the Romneytruthfile. Because of that extensive reading, I’m convinced the Mitt Romney is a flip-flopping, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-gun control, pro-obamacare, pro-big government, 3rd way, elitist social corporatist.
I really have no doubts about that summary.
Does this truce mean I can no longer post the truth about Mitt Romney? IF so, does it mean that Romney-bots are prevented from posting positive campaign threads about Mitt Romney?
Does it mean I cannot post information positive toward the candidacy of Virgil Goode, the only conservative remaining in the race for the presidency?
For years, Free Republic has loudly proclaimed Mitt Romney to be a lying liberal of the first order. Any sudden reversal of that position would appear to impartial observers to be a sudden caving in plus a healthy dose of hypocrisy.
Is it possible for me to post truth about Romney and other campaigns and NOT bad-mouth fellow freepers at the same time? Yes, it is possible. I’m not in the habit of bad-mouthing freepers anyway.
If you believe that, then I can't help you. All I can pray is that CWII ends happily with part of the country, hopefully the South regaining their freedom. Ignorance is evil, look in the mirror.
IMHO, it’s a shame that the majority of conservative voters/very conservative voters won’t, willingly, come together and vote “a protest vote” for Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party for ‘12 POTUS! If such a political movement by conservative voters/very conservative voters really did happen, then it would, also, send a message to all of those opposed to U.S. conservatism in any way, shape, or form. It’s too bad that it won’t, actually, happen, and it’s another missed opportunity by conservatives to send a serious message to everybody else in the political spectrum. Correct, or incorrect?
Even better, take a picture of Holder with you.
Who the hell are you?
-Delapaz, member since 1997
I know it’s bizarre, but the reality is that the Federal Government spending is past the tipping point.
Put Ron Paul in office, balance the budget now, and it’s likely that compounding interest payments will still swallow us up. And that’s with ending all welfare, medicare, and half the defense budget. No one has the stomach for that, so we are therefore doomed.
We shouldn’t feel too bad, it’s not our fault, it’s the way all democracies ultimately fail. The USA is no different. If we want to blame someone, Woodrow Wilson and his ilk are probably the best targets. Direct election of senators, enabling monopoly money instead of gold, the income tax all enabled the rapid expansion of government leading to the current predicament.
Obama doesn’t see it as a problem, but neither does Romney, and the longer it goes on, the harder the crash. So let’s crash now and do everything in our power to hasten the crash while preparing for ourselves.
1. Get out of debt immediately as fast as you can.
2. Emergency fund: have one, make sure you can last 6-12 months with no income.
3. Are you dependent on any outside checks? SS? Pensions of any sort? Consider how to survive if those checks stop coming.
I could go on but you get the idea. For the next few years it’s head between the knees and brace for impact.
Unlike Jim Robinson who’s presidential vote doesn’t matter in the solid Obama state of California, your presidential vote in Pennsylvania could make a difference. Your non vote or third party vote could be the tie breaker or the margin over the top. Your vote for Romney could be the margin over the coming Philadelphia fraud.
Do you want Obama? You have the important task in a swing state to prevent his reelection.
Romeny? Obama?
WOW, what a terrific thread we are on. I’m just finding this, and there is no way to catch up.
Thanks, Jim R., for this!
Well, that may be one possibility but I would rather think that since Mitt only got 1/3 of the vote most of the time and actually lost many of the earlier primaries, the lesson is that the 2/3 conservative vote was split over too many candidates.
Somehow, and I'm not sure how, if the conservatives ever expect to elect a candidate, they've got to get behind one guy or we will never get past GOP-e.
I could get behind that. Currently my plan is tea party down ticket while casting a strategic Obama vote to protest the GOP.
Figuring that at this point any 3rd party candidate that gets less than 1% is ignored. However if a consensus develops here and other places that Virgil is the rallying point for conservatives disillusioned with the GOP and he develops a following, I’m in.
Well, you’re perfectly fine with that it seems. Doing nothing to assure Barry Soetoro doesn’t get a second term is the only way to stop it.
You will have a problem seeing a true consensus through all the sanctimonious self righteous smoke
Yes it will, precisely in the manner I outlined.
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Of course it will, short of a miracle, it’s over. I voted for Newt in my state, I tried to keep Romney out but the voters have spoken and it is what it is.
Anyone that on here that would vote o bama is liberal troll and I don’t care what your sign up date it.
Last I heard; there is still something called the Confirmation Process.
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and how did that work out with the wise Latino and the commie Kagan?
Good post.
IMHO, given the huge lurch to the left, it may take more time to kick it back towards Conservative candidates.
Priming the pump with Conservatives in the state and local elections will only help long-term. They will need a lot of support though.
Obama’s failure is perhaps a long-term bright spot for conservatives. He’s a perfect example of the clueless nature of the liberal beast.
I hope the combination of young men and women who have served, plus the present disillusionment of college grads trying to find work, will motivate them to the right...
Never give up!
Same. Who cares what his sign up date he’s openly saying he’s voting for Obama. Thats utter BS on a supposedly conservative site.
I second that heartily! This country cannot survive four more years of Obama!
Free-Republic was around in May of 1996?
And then what do they do? They send sappy, glittering pictures to one another with expressions of friendship.
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I’ve participated in that..... BUT let me explain. I always check the past posting history first and I only celebrate if they were a troll or a liberal. I never celebrate just to join the crowd. If I think the zot was ridiculous I either say nothing, put a question mark or make a comment. I have not and do not celebrate mods gone wild zots.
Nice little swipe at the half of your fellow FReepers that disagree with you on this issue.
Who would have thought that half the people Posting here are closeted Daily Kos Members. Will wonders never cease.
Wow! Rather than get drawn into this further, and in the spirit of truce I will simply say good luck with your guy. I am voting for Goode however and then (R) down the ballot.
May the peace of the Lord be with you.
The fact is WE are winning BIG TIME!
WE won hugely all over the place in 2008 and 2010 and the pump IS primed! We just haven’t made it all the way to the top yet (a few more RINOS to deal with) but that to is coming IF we can preserve what’s left of the republic long enough!
BTTT
Any sudden reversal of that position would appear to impartial observers to be a sudden caving in plus a healthy dose of hypocrisy.
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Not hypocrisy, now it’s called reality. I doubt any FReepers supported Romney in the primaries or will vote for him in the upcoming primaries. However, in the past, Romney was never the GOP nominee and it’s looking like he will be. What do you propose for FR? If you have Romney vs. the Marxist Kenyan, it’s an easy choice for me. I’ll take a RINO over a dyed in the wool Commie any ole day. I don’t want the likes of Ayers or Van Jones on the Supreme Court for the next 30 years.
See 1242
two legs bad, four legs good.
I bow before your superior reasoning skills.
I don’t know what country you’re living in, but we got our asses kicked in 2008.
2010 was better ;-)
Well this is an interesting turn of events.
I must thank Mr. Robinson for what had to be a painful look at the bad facts and the honesty of the financial situation.
I don’t normally post in these longish threads for getting lost in the noise but I’ve for quite a while been pondering a political path, if for no one but myself, in the event that another crap sandwich, this time named Romney, would be shoved down our throat.
And I’ve come to some conclusions, thoughts, opinions and analyses and FreeRepublic is just the forum to hear me out.
First, we all know there’s an establishment GOP, an establishment GOP that gave us Gerald Ford, Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney. Every time they tell us that we need moderates, middle-of-the-road types, that “extreme” right-wingers can’t win the “Independents”.
Under that guise they’ve managed to settle in real comfy like in a political class that is quite to their liking. Now we must “reach across the aisle” and they’ve learned the political ways of their Democratic colleagues.
I am from Delaware and remember Mike Castle, who is now gone and I thank God every day, every damn day. I know a thing or two about how the establishment GOP will reach across that aisle with polished nails but will rip off your head and crap down your neck should you threaten their power.
We are to believe that all those years the Democrats were manipulating our banking system giving a mortgage to anyone with a pulse, a practice that eventually collapsed our home market and all that is monumental to the middle class….we are to believe that the Republicans….let’s use John McCain for a moment….KNEW NOTHING?
NO WAIT! McCain was all busy reaching across the aisle to Feingold making that stupid Campaign Finance Reform law and don’t we all go to bed every night thanking God that this law that had us all so worried is now the unconstitutional law of the land? Meanwhile Crystal and her pimp get a mortgage and can’t pay it, of course, but they live in their socially manipulated home gift awaiting government bailouts. It’s hard to be working so hard on meaningless laws that are for naught but getting our name on legislation to make us look good for our election to the presidency and pay proper mind to the governing job we are really supposed to be doing.
We are to believe that as illegal aliens were pouring into our country with no bother of fences and other mandatory federal frou frou, we are to believe the Republicans knew nothing?
No need to go on. I know that yon reader knows all this. You would also know that of late us natives have had the audacity to get restless, to begin to ponder why our representatives don’t represent US, that they seem more intent in being Democrat lite for cocktail party invites and a vote for more pork money to keep them in power.
Now we are in a position of having to vote for yet another Democrat Lite. I do not believe for a minute that Romney will trash Obamacare completely, that he’ll throw that Dream Act out the window, that he’ll make those mortgage freeloaders pay their bill or get out the door.
Oh he’ll do something to look like he’s tossing us crumbs, to appear as if here he is here to save the day, to pour drops of water down our parched throats that yearn for the America we had, to appease us and shut us up but will end on the same path as Obamer, albeit slowly we go over the cliff.
Here’s what I think we’ll happen. And I speculate here and must warn I am right about as often as Dick Morris.
Folks like us will suffer Romney (yeah most of will vote for him, the alternative is too horrific.) If we’re lucky we will slow our destiny with that cliff and in the four years of Romney’s presidency (I really DO think he will win)we will see the light. Unless the world turns upside down and Romney becomes a genuine leader who steers the helm of the ship of state to a right course, gets rid of the travesty of death panels in any form, begins defending our borders….the stuff of a free and vibrant leadership is what I’m saying here, then we will spend the first four years of Romney frustrated and gritting our collecting teeth.
As one who spent eight plus years getting spit upon by Mike Castle, trust that you can mistreat people for so long before they go ballistic.
THEN WE WILL START OUR THIRD PARTY AND THEN IT WILL WORK!
I really believe this.
We will have four years to watch Romney govern with Democrat lite. We have the Internet. We will have collectively decided that the warning about third parties and how they just disrupt, well by this time we will know the Blue Blood GOP just means that forming a third party, say, a Tea Party, only endangers their hold on power.
Every year Castle was up for election, every year we were told to hold on, just wait, this time he’s really means it, he’s going to retire, we need his vote for committee chairmanships…..on and on the Blue Bloods lied and lied and finally we kicked him out. Not only was it NEVER his final term as we were promised, this past term he actually WANTED A PROMOTION!
So it will be, as I predict, with President Romney. Nationally folks like us, we who took to marching in DC, holding angry town halls across the country….we will get like those Delawarians who threw down the gauntlet and decided better to have the enemy we know than the enemy who pretends to be our friend. The end result is always the same.
The RINOS will continue on in their own party but I predict they will go the way of the Whigs. They will be cut and carved out of that political class and send packing.
THAT is the only good thing I see about this Romney guy. He will serve as catalyst to turn the collective will of the people who carry this country on our backs.
And who knows, maybe the guy will do a good job.
Either way I see this as the final chance for the Blue Bloods.
We’re the ones who fight the wars and raise the citizens and soldiers of tomorrow. We will be the ones who will set this country straight, whatever it takes.
I really believe this.
“If Obama gets to appoint five justices, there will be a civil war.”
Obama will only need to appoint a sufficient number of judges to get a leftist majority of five on the Supreme Court, not a total of five justices appointed.
Obama’s Government: Preparing for Massive U.S. Civil War
Written on May 4, 2012 by V2A, Filed under
2012 Election, 2nd Amendment, Constitution
http://visiontoamerica.org/9528/obamas-government-preparing-for-massive-u-s-civil-war/
I disagree there. Some might even wish it to be irreversible, but I've been reading a little FR history. There's been all kinds of drama in the past, and breathless obituaries written for FR, but it always comes back.
Maybe we disagree and that is okay. But this is not a breathless obituary. I am sure FR is not going anywhere anytime soon. It will continue to exist in some form. However, the wounds are deep and the scars will be permanent in that so many long-time posters are now gone. Posters with sign-up dates of 1998, even 1997, have been culled from the herd. Some have been among the most insightful posters FR ever had and perhaps ever will.In my view, the most harmful participants are those who gang up and encircle a person, drive them to the ground and then claim they failed the purity test of the moment. All while professing to speak on behalf of the owner.
And then what do they do? They send sappy, glittering pictures to one another with expressions of friendship.
Well put. I haven't had the energy or the seemingly suicidal impulse to respond to any of the recent (past year) drama, but I will say I'm one of those who has seen one purge too many around here... And that was three, maybe four purges ago.
This place used to be really important to me, and I used to donate every month. It was a place I was happy to support, where you had to be smart and learn to form an argument that could hold up, or not, under vigorous debate. Beyond that it was a place where I met many good friends and even my husband. I still have those, but I have left this place, for now.
Debate here has given way to tattletales with ping lists and I'm a little too independent to want to live according to the whims of increasingly capricious "purity tests of the moment".
This is a forum, which means it's only as good as it's people. I want to meet, debate and learn from people, not just be told what to think 'or else' by them. Life's too short and there are already too many people trying to control me and my thoughts, to willingly look for more on my free time.
This place has to become a fertile ground for free and intelligent conservative thinking, not just threats and pesky swarming bullies, before it becomes again what it once was. We'll see. As Lando said... Many are already gone.
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