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Russia threatens to strike NATO missile defense sites
Washington Times ^ | May 3, 2012 | Shaun Waterman

Posted on 05/03/2012 12:33:33 PM PDT by Navy Patriot

Russia’s most senior military officer said Thursday that Moscow would preemptively strike and destroy U.S.-led NATO missile defense sites in Eastern Europe if talks with Washington about the developing system continue to stall.

“A decision to use destructive force preemptively will be taken if the situation worsens,” Russian Chief of General Staff Nikolai Makarov said at an international missile defense conference in Moscow attended by senior U.S. and NATO officials.

The threat comes as talks about the missile defense system, which the U.S. and its allies insist is aimed at Iranian missiles, appear to have stalled.

“We have not been able to find mutually-acceptable solutions at this point and the situation is practically at a dead end,” Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said.

Ellen Tauscher, the U.S. special envoy for strategic stability and missile defense, insisted the talks about NATO plans for a missile defense system using ground-based interceptor missiles stationed in Poland, Romania and Turkey were not stalemated.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: chicoms; chinarussia; comradeobama; dreams; flexibility; kgbputin; medvedev; missile; missiledefense; nato; newworldorder; nuke; nwo; obama; openmike; putin; russia; strike; usdisarmament; war
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To: Navy Patriot
Reagan's SDI definitely would and did work, and lead to this technology..

There wasn't the slightest possibility that SDI ever could have stopped more than a fraction of an attack of thousands of missiles, even if the entire GDP of the US had been spent on it for ten years. A lot of the promoted technologies were essentially fraudulent from scientists just looking to get funded.

In terms of stopping a raid BMD defense MIGHT work against an attack of < 20 missiles from Korea or Iran.

No aspect of the current system has been credibly tested under realistic conditions (where warheads employ decoys and penaids, etc.)

Of course then you get into the issue of why it freaks the Russians out so much, which is more complicated.

101 posted on 05/04/2012 4:55:02 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: BenLurkin

No, they see 0bama as not winning.

That my FRiend is very hugh and series.


102 posted on 05/04/2012 5:10:21 AM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: greyfoxx39

Yes, I think breaking might be the correct placement on this. Given 0bama asked for them to wait until after the election...and I do not see that happening with this kind of rhetoric.

This indicates that the rest of the world already considers 0bama a lame duck and ‘out of the office.’

Caveat: I’m not a mod


103 posted on 05/04/2012 5:13:23 AM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: EBH

The Russkies are showing a little bluster now, because as Obama told Medvedev, that after he’s reelected he’ll be able to give them what they want.


104 posted on 05/04/2012 5:19:17 AM PDT by kenmcg (How)
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To: MindBender26
Agreed. This is serious. Russia's threat and somewhere I read that negotiations were going on between Iran and Venezuela to get missiles based in Venezuela. We all know Russia has been feeding their ally Iran technology...

We're ripe for an attack on both foreign soils and here.

0bama does not pull a world leader position of respect. Which, I do find interesting in some regards as 0bama has no problem sending in drones and navy seals to assassinate enemies. And he didn't hesitate with Syrian support either...so he may be more hawkish on the record than we give him credit for.

Can't believe I just wrote that, but going into Pakistan, droning in Yemen, Syrian support...but then we do have the Muslim Brotherhood here in negotiations at the White House?

105 posted on 05/04/2012 5:23:36 AM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: EBH
His “Hawkish” stances disappear on the first Wednesday in November.
106 posted on 05/04/2012 5:27:15 AM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: kenmcg

Nope, I disagree with you. I know what 0bama told them.

And there is no need for this kind of bluster, unless they see 0bama as losing.

Russia is a patient enemy. They lost the “cold war” the first time around, I don’t think that is the strategy for them this time.


107 posted on 05/04/2012 5:28:58 AM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: BenLurkin
It's almost as if the Russians see Obama as being weak. Very weak.

Obama and Putin are on the same exact "new world order" page.

The Putin-ChiCom-Chavez-Iran-Obama "New World Order"

We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world,” Chavez told reporters during a visit to Communist China, one of many. His “new world order” includes [RUSSIA], China, Iran,... and a significantly weakened United States, he explained.

Resurgent Communism in Latin America
by Alex Newman, March 16, 2010:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/south-america-mainmenu-37/3122-resurgent-communism-in-latin-america?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=
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From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170287,00.html
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Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama

Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko

"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev hailed Barack Obama as "my new comrade" Thursday after their first face-to-face talks"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gEo4B1heuBvO6KK7EiBHKigO1UrA

April 1, 2009:
"Obama, Medvedev pledge new era of relations":
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/specialreport/news/419496_88/1/.html
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President Obama and Venezuela dictator Hugo
Chavez at the 2009 Summit of the Americas in Trinidad.
Note the "soul bro" handshake. (my caption)

Obama, Chavez shake hands at Americas Summit:
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/04/17/2698451-obama-chavez-shake-hands-at-americas-summit
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From CBS-News, July 29, 2006:

Chavez Vows To 'Stand By Iran'
After Oil Talks In Tehran, Venezuelan Leader Called 'Brother' By Ahmedinejad

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"Chavez pledged that his country would 'stay by Iran at any time and under any condition,' state television reported. Ahmadinejad said he saw in Chavez a kindred spirit." "'We do not have any limitation in cooperation,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. 'Iran and Venezuela are next to each other and supporters of each other. Chavez is a source of a progressive and revolutionary current in South America and his stance in restricting imperialism is tangible.'":
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/29/world/main1847331.shtml
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http://article.wn.com/view/2009/06/16/Iran_president_visits_Russia_despite_protests/

108 posted on 05/04/2012 5:37:26 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: BenLurkin
Open Mic Catches Obama Asking Medvedev for Space on Missile Defense
March 26, 2012

"In a private conversation about the planned U.S.-led NATO missile defense system in Europe, President Barack Obama asked outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for space on the issue.

This is my last election,” Obama told Medvedev. “After my election I have more flexibility.”

“I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” Medvedev said, referring to incoming President Vladimir Putin."

http://fox8.com/2012/03/26/open-mic-catches-obama-asking-medvedev-for-space-on-missile-defense/
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Obama was talking with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev when neither of them realized that their conversation was being picked up by microphones. Here is what they said:

Obama: “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space.”

Medvedev: “Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you ...”

Obama: “This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”

Medvedev: “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”

“This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.” That statement tells us much about the president’s mindset.

The specific mention of missile defense is worrisome enough. Mr. Obama has retreated from the missile defense plan that was negotiated with European allies during the George W. Bush administration. Apparently, he is signaling Moscow that he intends to retreat further. The clear implication from the president’s comments is that he cannot tell the American people before the election what he plans to do after the election.

In addition, there is the phrase “on all these issues,” implying more is at stake than just missile defense.”

Article: Obama plans double cross on missile defense
When it comes to keeping America safe, we shouldn’t be too flexible:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/29/obama-plans-double-cross-on-missile-defense/print/

109 posted on 05/04/2012 5:38:03 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: BenLurkin
Putin praises Cold War moles for stealing U.S. nuclear secrets
Reuters ^ | Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:04pm EST | Steve Gutterman

Vladimir Putin praised Cold War-era scientists on Thursday for stealing U.S. nuclear secrets so that United States would not be the world's sole atomic power, in comments reflecting his vision of Russia as a counterweight to U.S. power.

Spies with suitcases full of data helped the Soviet Union build its atomic bomb, he told military commanders.

"You know, when the States already had nuclear weapons and the Soviet Union was only building them, we got a significant amount of information through Soviet foreign intelligence channels," Putin said, according to state-run Itar-Tass.

"The were carrying the information away not on microfilm but literally in suitcases. Suitcases!"

Putin's remarks referred to the dawn of the Cold War more than half a century ago, but they echoed a message he has made loud and clear more recently: that the United States needs to be restrained, and Russia is the country to do it. …

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...

110 posted on 05/04/2012 5:38:35 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: BenLurkin
Obama To Betray Missile Defense Secrets To Moscow
Investor's Business Daily ^ | January 9, 2012 | IBD staff

Appeasement: From ObamaCare to recess appointments, honoring the Constitution has not been an administration hallmark. But when it comes to betraying secrets to mollify the Russians, it becomes a document the president hides behind.

It was bad enough that the 2012 defense authorization bill signed by President Obama set America on a downward spiral of military mediocrity.

He also issued a signing statement, something he once opposed, saying that language in the bill aimed at protecting top-secret technical data on the U.S. Standard Missile-3 — linchpin of our missile defense — might impinge on his constitutional foreign-policy authority.

Section 1227 of the defense law prohibits spending any funds that would be used to give Russian officials access to sensitive missile-defense technology as part of a cooperation agreement without first sending Congress a report identifying the specific secrets, how they'd be used and steps to protect the data from compromise.

The president is required to certify that any technology shared will not be passed on to third parties such as China, North Korea or Iran, that the Russians will not use transferred secrets to develop countermeasures and that the Russians are reciprocating in sharing missile-defense technology.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...

111 posted on 05/04/2012 5:38:59 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: BenLurkin
From the campaign trail, February 2008...

Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[not win it -etl]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert [they are NOT on "hair-trigger alert" now -etl], and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."
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"I will not weaponize space"

"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems"
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2008 Pentagon Report (March 2008):
China's Growing Military Space Power

By Leonard David
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com
March 6, 2008

GOLDEN, Colorado — A just-released Pentagon report spotlights a growing U.S. military concern that China is developing a multi- dimensional program to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by its potential adversaries during times of crisis or conflict.

Furthermore, last year's successful test by China of a direct-ascent, anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon to destroy its own defunct weather satellite, the report adds, underscores that country's expansion from the land, air, and sea dimensions of the traditional battlefield into the space and cyber-space domains.

Although China's commercial space program has utility for non- military research, that capability demonstrates space launch and control know-how that have direct military application. Even the Chang'e 1 — the Chinese lunar probe now circling the Moon — is flagged in the report as showcasing China's ability "to conduct complicated space maneuvers — a capability which has broad implications for military counterspace operations."

To read the entire publication [29.67MB/pdf], see U.S. Dept of Defense:
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/China_Military_Report_08.pdf

112 posted on 05/04/2012 5:39:30 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: kalee

For later


113 posted on 05/04/2012 5:39:57 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Caipirabob
the Russians have pretty much figured out obama...

They knew who and what he was a long time ago: one of their own. They may well have helped put him in office.

114 posted on 05/04/2012 5:49:37 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Caipirabob
A brief history of Russia-ChiCom military and economic cooperation: since 2005, they've been holding a series of joint war games aimed at countering US and NATO military might.

Russia, China hold Peace Mission 2009 joint exercise

The exercise involves about 3,000 Russian and Chinese servicemen, nearly 300 units of army military equipment and over 40 fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters. Photo: BMP-86A infantry fighting vehicles of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China.

http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090724/155604547.html
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[2009] Russia, China plan new joint military exercises

By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst
Published: March 26, 2009

WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The continuing tensions over Russia's refusal to sell its state-of-the-art land warfare advanced weapons systems to China hasn't interrupted the rhythm of major joint military exercises between the two major land powers on the Eurasian landmass. The latest in the regular, biennial series of exercises between the two nations has been confirmed for this summer.

The next in the now well-established series of exercises called Peace Mission 2009 will be carried out in northeastern China, the Russian Defense Ministry announced March 18, according to a report carried by the RIA Novosti news agency.

The first bilateral Peace Mission maneuvers -- described at the time as counter-terrorism exercises -- were held in Russia and the eastern Chinese province of Shandong in August 2005. As we reported at that time, they were a lot bigger than mere counter-terrorism exercises. Warships, squadrons of combat aircraft and more than 10,000 troops were involved carrying out landings against hypothetically hostile shores. The maneuvers also involved large-scale paratroops drops. The scale and nature of those exercises suggested a trial run for a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan with Russian support. ..."

http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2009/03/26/Russia_China_plan_new_joint_military_exercises/UPI-25021238094858/
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Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
August 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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War Games: Russia, China Grow Alliance
September 23, 2005

In foreign policy it’s critical to “know thine enemy.” So American policymakers should be aware that Russia and China are inching closer to identifying a common enemy — the United States.

The two would-be superpowers held unprecedented joint military exercises Aug. 18-25. Soothingly named “Peace Mission 2005,” the drills took place on the Shandong peninsula on the Yellow Sea, and included nearly 10,000 troops. Russian long-range bombers, the army, navy, air force, marine, airborne and logistics units from both countries were also involved.

Moscow and Beijing claim the maneuvers were aimed at combating terrorism, extremism and separatism (the last a veiled reference to Taiwan), but it’s clear they were an attempt to counter-balance American military might.

Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm
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"Peace Mission 2010

Looks like the military exercise between Shanghai Cooperation Organization is becoming an annual occurrence instead of bi-annual [ie, 2005, 2007, 2009].

According to rian, the next one will be this September [2010]. ..."

http://www.informationdissemination.net/2010/07/peace-mission-2010.html

115 posted on 05/04/2012 5:55:09 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Navy Patriot
KGB Putin thinks the "COLLAPSE" of the mass-murdering communist Soviet Union was the "greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th Century"!

"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html
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"'The Black Book of Communism,'; a scholarly accounting of communism’s crimes, counts about 94 million murdered by the supposed champions of the common man (20 million for the Soviets alone), and some say that number is too low."

Forgetting the Evils of Communism: The amnesia bites a little deeper
By Jonah Goldberg, August 2008:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmY0MjI1MDgyYjg1M2UwNDMzMTk2Mjk5YTk0ZTdlMWE=
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116 posted on 05/04/2012 5:57:54 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Navy Patriot
Serious posturing by the Russians, they do not want anti missile technology in Europe that they do not control.

And the reason should-be, but apparently isn't, based on many freeper comments here, OBVIOUS: they, the ChiComs, Chavez and that nut case in Iran, *with Obama's hot and eager, fully cooperative help*, seek a "new world order" with a substantially weaker United States. Obama is PURPOSELY weakening our defenses and strengthening theirs.

117 posted on 05/04/2012 6:13:56 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Navy Patriot

They fear not being able to hit back on a first strike by the West.

Russia has been attacked by the majority of their friends and neighbors. They don’t feel “safe” without MAD being in place.

If you look at history, this has been a fear of theirs for 200 plus years.


118 posted on 05/04/2012 6:24:15 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
They fear not being able to hit back on a first strike by the West. Russia has been attacked by the majority of their friends and neighbors. They don’t feel “safe” without MAD being in place. If you look at history, this has been a fear of theirs for 200 plus years.

What are you defending the Russians? THEY are the ones who've done the "neighbor attacking" over the past many decades.

119 posted on 05/04/2012 6:33:31 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Navy Patriot

I blame, almost entirely, this widespread ignorance on the subject of Russia on folks like Hannity and Limbaugh. They know so little on the subject that they’re apparently embarrassed to even go there.


120 posted on 05/04/2012 6:42:32 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
Not defending them. That is their strategic outlook. They are a VERY paranoid people, who fear their adversaries defense more than their offense. Typically because they view every war they have fought since the Golden Horde to be a defensive war.

This fear has lead to Russia doing a lot of odd and silly things in their history. By putting anti missile bases in their sphere of influence, we are feeding this traditional fear. I honestly suspect someone in the Pentagon knew this, and that was the goal. The missiles won't stop a full on Russian attack (unless their capabilities are a lot smaller than we have been led to believe), but it will get them all fired up.

Read history and strategy. Russia is acting like Russia again.

121 posted on 05/04/2012 7:06:09 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
By putting anti missile bases in their sphere of influence, we are feeding this traditional fear.

There are many in Russia, including their permanent leader, 'KGB Putin', who would like to see a return of the Soviet Union. This will of course involve an invasion of their neighbors (again), particularly their former satellites, Georgia, Ukraine, etc. This is why they fear a NATO missile defense system. They also don't want it compromising their allies', Iran and North Korea, nuke programs.

122 posted on 05/04/2012 8:05:55 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: jacknhoo
Russia and China are aligned with Iran and those three will be soon aligned with the EU

Exactly right, Iran is strengthened and increases as a thorn in the side of the US and antisemitic Western Europe, Muslims are stronger and cause more trouble in Russia's competitors (or enemies if you wish)

...just how in the world does that qualify as backing Christianity over Islam?

In Eastern Europe and Russia there is strong government support for Christianity, driving Muslims, especially terrorists to emigrate West. Russia is making their territory Christian and exporting misery to their competition.

Russia and China have Muslims killing Muslims in Syria and won't allow NATO to come in and save the lives of the Muslim Brotherhood like in Egypt and Libya. Which policy gets more and the most dangerous Muslims dead, and divides their forces? Which policy kills Coptic Christians or Jews?

123 posted on 05/04/2012 8:07:15 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: ETL
Russia views those former satellites as part of the “Third Rome”. Once you are part, you can't leave. They will move to reoccupy those states someday. Their outlook pretty much demands it. Not to mention the Pan Slav leanings.

Now think of this. A good portion of the West Coast of North America was claimed by Russia at one point. If the balloon ever goes up here, they will be tempted to step in and reclaim those lost areas.

124 posted on 05/04/2012 8:19:56 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Strategerist
You set 1980's developing defensive technology against developed 2010's offensive technology, and conclude that defensive technology is worthless, it is not. It is far better than nothing.

You also miss the entire point of Reagan's SDI. It was designed to use a weapon the Soviets didn't and never could have, and to establish a trust that could be earned by both the US and the Soviets.

It was an unparalleled success.

125 posted on 05/04/2012 8:22:04 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Russia and Islam are not Separate:
Why Russia backs Al-Qaeda

By Konstantin Preobrazhensky

Americans generally believe that Russia is afraid of Islamic terrorism as much as the U.S.A. They are reminded of the war in Chechnya, the hostage crisis at the Beslan School in 2004 and at the Moscow Theater in 2002, and of the apartment house blasts in Moscow in 1999, where over 200 people were killed. It is clear that Russians are also targets of terrorism today.

But in all these events, the participation of the FSB, Federal Security Service, inheritor to the KGB, is also clear. Their involvement in the Moscow blasts has been proven by lawyer Mikhail Trepashkin, a former FSB Colonel. For this he was illegally imprisoned, and is now suffering torture and deprivation of medical assistance, from which he is not likely to survive.

A key distinction between Russian and American attitudes towards Islamic terrorism is that while for America terrorism is largely seen as an exterior menace, Russia uses terrorism as an object as a tool of the state for manipulation in and outside the home country. Islamic terrorism is only part of the world of terrorism. Long before Islamic terrorism became a global threat, the KGB had used terrorism to facilitate the victory of world Communism.

This leads to the logical connection between Russian and Islamic terrorism. The late Alexander Litvinenko, poisoned in London in November, 2006, told me that his former FSB colleagues had trained famous Al-Qaeda terrorists Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Juma Namangoniy during the 1980s and 1990s. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, one of the world's most wanted terrorists, has been responsible for the murder of U.S. nationals outside the United States. Before his death, Juma Namangoniy (Jumabai Hojiyev), a native of Soviet Uzbekistan, was a right-hand man of Osama bin Laden in charge of the Taliban's northern front in Afghanistan.

In 1996, Alexander Litvinenko was responsible for securing the secrecy of Al-Zawahiri's arrival in Russia, who was trained by FSB instructors in Dagestan, Northern Caucasus, in 1996-1997.

At that time, Litvinenko was the Head of the Subdivision for Internationally Wanted Terrorists of the First Department of the Operative-Inquiry Directorate of the FSB Anti-Terrorist Department. He was ordered to undertake the delicate mission of securing Al-Zawahiri from unintentional disclosure by the Russian police. Though Al-Zawahiri had been brought to Russia by the FSB using a false passport, it was still possible for the police to learn about his arrival and report to Moscow for verification. Such a process could disclose Al-Zawahiri as an FSB collaborator.

In order to prevent this, Litvinenko visited a group of the highly placed police officers to notify them in advance. "If you get information about some suspicious Arabs arriving in the Caucasus, please report it to me before informing your leadership", he told them.

Juma Namangoniy was once a student of the Saboteur Training Center of the First Chief Directorate of the KGB in 1989-91. The school was notorious for the international terrorists who matriculated from it. It now belongs to the FSB, and since only KGB staff officers were allowed to study there, Juma Namangoniy's presence clearly suggests that he was much more than a civil collaborator.

Mohammed Atta, the pilot of the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague, Czech Republic, five months before the attack. But Iraqi intelligence was just a client of Russia's intelligence service. It brings a new understanding to the fact that President Putin was the first foreign President to call President Bush on 9/11. One may conjecture that he knew in advance what was to happen.

Muslim Name and Communist Heart

Tartars have always been patriotic to Russia. Their independent kingdom was conquered by Russia in the 16th century, but their gentry were allowed to join the Russian upper class and enjoy all its privileges. Even today, many Russian families of noble origin have Tartar origins. Russia has a half-millennium of experience in turning conquered Muslim nations into obedient citizens by bribing their elite.

There are many Soviet Muslims, therefore, who seem to face no conflict of spirit. One can be a Muslim in name only, whose heart belongs to Communism. There have been a lot of such people among Russian Muslims, especially among the Tartars. The Soviet Union has typically preferred to appoint them as ambassadors to Muslim countries. Their Muslim names give them a pass to the local society, but their Communist hearts order them to serve world Communism and not the world of Islam.

In the Soviet period, the highest leadership of the Muslim republics like Uzbekistan were unofficially allowed to practice Islam under the guise of folk rites, even though their Russian colleagues were severely reprimanded for participating in such Christian "rites" as Christmas or Easter. Unlike today, Soviet cartoonists were able to mock Islam as they mocked all other religions and it didn't bring any special reaction.

Muslims of the Uzbek and other Central Asian republics' elite joined the KGB intelligence in order to spy on fellow Muslim countries. In the KGB, I have met a lot of such quasi-Muslim officers.

Russia Grows Muslim

Putin continues the traditional Russian policy of giving privileges to the Muslim elite. Today's Russian Minister of Healthcare, Mikhail Zurabov, is a Chechen. His political agenda includes the total destruction of the Russian healthcare system, looking like revenge for the war in Chechnya. Putin shows no concern over that.

Strategically Russia is surrendering to the Muslim world. The Russian population is declining rapidly, being undermined by 70 years of Communist experiment and the cold indifference of post-communist rulers. Annually, Russia is losing 900 thousand people who are being replaced by Muslims from the Caucasus and Central Asia. Islam is now the second-largest religion in Russia, where it may total up to 28 million adherents. Because of this, Russia was able to join the Organization of the Islamic Conference in 2003.

Russia's great qualitative population change represents both a departure from the past and a strengthening link with it. The synergies between the history of Russia's national policies of terrorism and the radical Islamic terrorism that it is spreading around the world are natural partners that may severely impact on America's own future.

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Konstantin Preobrazhensky, a former Lt. Colonel in the KGB who defected to the United States in 1993, is an intelligence expert and specialist on Japan, about which he has written six books. His newest book Russian-American, A New KGB Asset will be published in late 2007. This article was first published by Gerard Group International, Intel Analyses, 31 August 2007.

http://cicentre.com/Documents/russia_islam_not_separate.html

126 posted on 05/04/2012 8:22:34 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: redgolum
A good portion of the West Coast of North America was claimed by Russia at one point.

Zero just gave three Alaskan islands back to Russia for free last week.

127 posted on 05/04/2012 8:28:49 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: redgolum
If you look at history, this has been a fear of theirs for 200 plus years.

Very true, this mindset has prompted Russians to mistake accidents in their own military as attacks by the US military.

128 posted on 05/04/2012 8:50:01 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Navy Patriot
And Russia sees us as going hard atheist. That also has an effect on how they behave.
129 posted on 05/04/2012 8:50:12 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
And Russia sees us as going hard atheist.

Never thought in my lifetime the tables will have turned the way they have.

130 posted on 05/04/2012 8:52:15 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Navy Patriot
""In Eastern Europe and Russia there is strong government support for Christianity"

What is a fact is that most persons who claim they are Christian, are truly not Christian at all. And, as it has been prophesied, these self-proclaimed Christians will be the same ones that will outlaw Christianity. Even in the United States, half of Americans have claimed they would support an atheist president. And, indeed, they very well did - Obama is an atheistic secularist Marxist. The Democratic Party of America is an atheistic secularist socialist party. All our public schools are atheistic secularist socialist schools. I digress...

China is undeniably atheist. Russia claims Russian Christian orthodoxy of 80%, but ony 5% actually are observant...kind of like the USA's so-called Christians, except worse.

Russia and China could not care any less about any specific religion of there nations, except to use the extreme religious to kill the populous. Because population reduction is very important to the Marxists. It is their number one goal, currently. And they are working every angle to accomplish this goal.

Egypt and Libya and now Syria are being taken over by the MB...which is a very very large and powerful organization, but one that is simply being "used" by the globalist Marxists.

The so-called Arab Spring was brought about in the name of freedom, validation due to the oppressive regimes. However, in EVERY INSTANCE, these people will be more oppressed than their prior brutal regimes oppressed them. There will be no freedom - only slavery and death and war.

This has nothing to do with a particular religion and everything to do with eliminating religion and the religious in general - a major obstacle that prevents worship of the elite. The dark forces have sold their souls to the Deceiver. God will never let them fully succeed, but will punish us. And the United States, especially, will be punished for our slaughter of the innocent defenseless little boys and girls throughout the whole world.


131 posted on 05/04/2012 8:59:57 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: redgolum
Russia sees us as going hard atheist. That also has an effect on how they behave.

I think that Russia is simply learning by experience, they suffered through Communism and saw what it does to a nations economy, now you hear most Russians talking about getting business and investment INTO Russia.

Communism suppressed the Church and tried to replace it with the state, now it's the other way around.

Soviet policies suppressed the birthrate and exported their citizens, and current policy seems to be trying to turn that around.

It's a long, hard, uncertain, road back from Communism, and Russia will certainly try to suppress the competition (that's us), but they couldn't ask for a better gift than Obama.

132 posted on 05/04/2012 9:09:10 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: jacknhoo
Because population reduction is very important to the Marxists. It is their number one goal, currently. And they are working every angle to accomplish this goal.

First, this is not the case, the goal of Marxism is to control as many slaves as possible. There never was interest in population control. See below:

Tenets of Marxism:

Straight from the Communist Manifesto:

1. Expropriation of landed property, and the use of land rents to defray state expenditure

2. A vigorously graded income tax

3. Abolition of the right of inheritance

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigres and rebels

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly

6. Centralization of the means of transport in the hands of the State

7. Increase of national factories and means of production, cultivation of uncultivated land, and improvement of cultivated land in accordance with a general plan

8. Universal and equal obligation to work; organization of industrial armies, especially for agriculture

9. Agriculture and urban industry to work hand-in-hand, in such a way as, by degrees, to obliterate the distinction between town and country

10. Public and free education of all children. Abolition of factory work for children in its present form. Education and material production to be combined.

Nowhere is population control or reduction mentioned.

Misunderstanding this leads you to conclude that Russia is still Marxist or Communist. There is much evidence that it is not, wants the population of ethnic Russians and Slavs to grow, and does cultivate Christianity.

That cultivation does not mean that devout Christianity will rapidly reemerge, only that it can.

Your concern that only a small percentage of Orthodox Christians are devout is a valid concern. Considering what Russians are recovering from we will have to be patient to see how Christianity recovers there.

133 posted on 05/04/2012 9:37:03 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: MindBender26

Sometimes I wonder if Obama-Osama were names picked to a rhyme like this for a purpose.

What is sure is that the world is jealous of US exception, creating a brain drain, and some inside the US feel at unease without control over the US itself. So these conspire to make a NWO agenda - this is a “great” opportunity for the Osamas of the world to arm themselves as the world is disarming itself into a “Commonality” of terms and names.


134 posted on 05/04/2012 9:55:19 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Navy Patriot
Not to worry! Obama will give the Russians our missile defense technology and all will be forgiven!
135 posted on 05/04/2012 12:42:36 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: EBH
This issue is nothing more than a “dog and pony show” with the Russians trying to give the American people the facade Obama is really tough on the Russians, when in fact, with a wink and a nod, Obama is selling out America's technological secrets to the Russian!

Ever wonder why every time a democrat-socialist is in the White-house, conviently our most advanced stealth jet ends up in the hands of the Chinese, then, our most advance stealth drone ends up in the hands of the Iranians, then the Chinese and Russians!

Now, our missile defense technology is about to be given to the Russians by Obumbum!

No Sir! This is nothing more than a side show for the American people to placate them until after the November elections!

136 posted on 05/04/2012 12:50:31 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: redgolum

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

They fear not being able to hit back on a first strike by the West.

Russia has been attacked by the majority of their friends and neighbors. They don’t feel “safe” without MAD being in place.

If you look at history, this has been a fear of theirs for 200 plus years.

>>>>>>>>>>

Say they are paranoid for 2000 years and counting.

Russia was attacked by foreign invaders numerous times. Every century they were losing a huge portion of their population in a wars waged on their territory.

It leaded them to specific doctrines which means expanding their territory to natural obstacles to invasions such as oceans (Arctic, Pacific) and mountains (Caucasus) and creating a buffer zones of controlled nations if it is impossible to reach natural obstacles (Cenral Europe,Mongolia, North Korea not so long ago).

Nuclear technology in 20th century was a God’s gift for them.

Having thousands of nukes as a tool to deter possible invadars is a new core of their thinking.

Every little threat real or not to their possibility of ruining every possible adversary makes their entire population extremely nervous.

That is a reason why they are opposing missile shield in Europe so much. It is a double jeopardy for them as thing both against a nukes which is their object of worshiping and also in Central Europe near their border.

It is a hit in a nerve of their national collective unconscious.


137 posted on 05/05/2012 4:13:21 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: MindBender26

For Obaama to fold up like a cheap suit, Obama would have to be an adversary to the communist Russians and Chinese. He is not. Obama is a communist. His desire is to facilitate communism in the UNITED STATES.

Obama’s job is to make THE PEOPLE fold up like a cheap suit, because that’s where the power to resist tyranny comes from.

This country IS folding up like a cheap suit and will not survive as a free republic (such as it is) if Obama is re-elected.


138 posted on 05/05/2012 8:37:15 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: ecomcon

Well said.


139 posted on 05/05/2012 12:28:15 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: Navy Patriot

One should not put forth the communist manifesto to claim that Marxists today do not have population reduction as a no. 1 priority.

The Population Control Agenda
http://www.radioliberty.com/pca.htm

Russia is moving toward full-blown atheistic communism again...not that they ever fully left it. The people have forgotten just how bad it was...so very quickly.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/12/06/can-russias-communist-party-make-a-comeback/


140 posted on 05/06/2012 2:47:01 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: ETL; gandalftb; TigerLikesRooster; nuconvert

The strategy of Russia is to instigate conflicts around the world to pop up the price of oil. The Russian economy has to have an oil price of some $120/bbl otherwise the Russian budget is at a loss, i.e. no expansion of the Russian military.

Finance Minister Anton Siluanov acknowledged that the federal budget for 2012 will balance only at an oil price of $117 per barrel. Source: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/heated-open-discussions-at-the-gaidar-forum/451595.html

The strategy of the Western world should be to invest in shale oil, natural gas, next generation of nuclear energy (Thorium), and defuse conflicts in the Middle East.


141 posted on 05/06/2012 5:39:49 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Interesting. Thanx


142 posted on 05/06/2012 5:43:16 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: AdmSmith
i.e. no expansion of the Russian military.

And you believe and trust this propaganda piece from the MOSCOW TIMES?

143 posted on 05/06/2012 6:00:56 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Actually, this “i.e. no expansion of the Russian military” was my comment.

From the article:

Economic Development and Trade Minister Elvira Nabiullina stated clearly that the dominant concern is economic growth. It has slipped from 7 percent a year to 2 percent to 3 percent a year, and the question is whether it will be possible to raise it to 5 percent to 6 percent a year. A broad consensus acknowledged that the main reason for the low growth is the poor business and investment climate, which is a code word for corruption.

The age-old Russian question of “Who is guilty?” attracted no attention because everyone knows who, although few named him. Nor were people interested in the other old Russian question: “What is to be done?” Instead, Kirill Androsov, deputy minister of economic development and trade from 2006 to 2008, talked about how to do it. The cure presupposes a democratic breakthrough leading to a cleanup of top-level corruption, which is the big political, social and economic question for Russia today. But these panels, which were dominated by the country’s establishment, preferred not to delve too deeply into that topic.


144 posted on 05/06/2012 6:21:54 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
Russia’s military spending soars
February, 2011

Russia has revealed details of its ambitious plan to upgrade its army over the next ten years, planning to spend US$650 billion on the project.

­The unveiled large-scale plans of the Russian defense ministry propose the spending of vast sums of money up to 2020.

First and foremost, Russian defense will focus on the development of strategic nuclear weapons, construction of over 100 military vessels for Russian Navy, including construction of four originally French-made Mistral-class amphibious assault ships, and the introduction into the Air Force of over 1,000 helicopters and 600 military planes, including fifth generation PAK-FA fighter.

Most of the military hardware will be equipped with next-generation weaponry.

http://rt.com/news/military-budget-russia-2020/

145 posted on 05/06/2012 6:26:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: AdmSmith
China and Russia Launch Military Exercises
April 22nd, 2012 [Lenin's birthday -ETL]

China and Russia launched joint naval exercises Sunday in the Yellow Sea between the east coast of mainland China and the Korean peninsula.

Sixteen Chinese surface vessels and two submarines as well as four Russian warships will take part in the six days of drills. ...

China and Russia have conducted four bilateral and multilateral military exercises since 2005.

http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/04/22/china-and-russia-launch-military-exercises/

146 posted on 05/06/2012 6:35:19 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: AdmSmith
Russia, China hold Peace Mission 2009 joint exercise

The exercise involves about 3,000 Russian and Chinese servicemen, nearly 300 units of army military equipment and over 40 fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters. Photo: BMP-86A infantry fighting vehicles of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China.

http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090724/155604547.html
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[2009] Russia, China plan new joint military exercises

By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst
Published: March 26, 2009

WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The continuing tensions over Russia's refusal to sell its state-of-the-art land warfare advanced weapons systems to China hasn't interrupted the rhythm of major joint military exercises between the two major land powers on the Eurasian landmass. The latest in the regular, biennial series of exercises between the two nations has been confirmed for this summer.

The next in the now well-established series of exercises called Peace Mission 2009 will be carried out in northeastern China, the Russian Defense Ministry announced March 18, according to a report carried by the RIA Novosti news agency.

The first bilateral Peace Mission maneuvers -- described at the time as counter-terrorism exercises -- were held in Russia and the eastern Chinese province of Shandong in August 2005. As we reported at that time, they were a lot bigger than mere counter-terrorism exercises. Warships, squadrons of combat aircraft and more than 10,000 troops were involved carrying out landings against hypothetically hostile shores. The maneuvers also involved large-scale paratroops drops. The scale and nature of those exercises suggested a trial run for a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan with Russian support. ..."

http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2009/03/26/Russia_China_plan_new_joint_military_exercises/UPI-25021238094858/
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Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
August 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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War Games: Russia, China Grow Alliance
September 23, 2005

In foreign policy it’s critical to “know thine enemy.” So American policymakers should be aware that Russia and China are inching closer to identifying a common enemy — the United States.

The two would-be superpowers held unprecedented joint military exercises Aug. 18-25. Soothingly named “Peace Mission 2005,” the drills took place on the Shandong peninsula on the Yellow Sea, and included nearly 10,000 troops. Russian long-range bombers, the army, navy, air force, marine, airborne and logistics units from both countries were also involved.

Moscow and Beijing claim the maneuvers were aimed at combating terrorism, extremism and separatism (the last a veiled reference to Taiwan), but it’s clear they were an attempt to counter-balance American military might.

Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm
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"Peace Mission 2010

Looks like the military exercise between Shanghai Cooperation Organization is becoming an annual occurrence instead of bi-annual [ie, 2005, 2007, 2009].

According to rian, the next one will be this September [2010]. ..."

http://www.informationdissemination.net/2010/07/peace-mission-2010.html

147 posted on 05/06/2012 6:36:10 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: AdmSmith
"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html


148 posted on 05/06/2012 6:38:05 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: AdmSmith
Venezuela Set to Develop Nuclear Power With Russia
September 29, 2008
CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez said Sunday that Russia will help Venezuela develop nuclear energy — a move likely to raise U.S. concerns over increasingly close cooperation between Caracas and Moscow.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429441,00.html
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Venezuela's Chavez welcomes Russian warships
Nov 25, 2008
LA GUAIRA, Venezuela – Russian warships arrived off Venezuela's coast Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America. The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War and was timed to coincide with President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Caracas — the first ever by a Russian president.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Venezuela%27s+Chavez+welcomes+Russian+warships%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2

More Yahoo search results for Russia and Venezuela connections:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu_X30pZJCJEAfCtXNyoA?p=Russia+Venezuela+bombers+tanks+arms&y=Search&fr=404_news
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764

149 posted on 05/06/2012 6:38:53 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: AdmSmith
Russian nuclear bombers in Cuba?
July 23, 2008

The media has been abuzz today at the prospect of Russian nuclear bombers being stationed in Cuba if the US goes ahead with plans for missile defense bases in Eastern Europe.

The story has riled the US enough that a US general has been wheeled out to tell the world’s press that any Russian attempt to build another nuclear base in Cuba would cross US “red line”.

The story broke earlier this week, when Russian newspaper Izvestia quoted an un-named source from within the Russian military. He told the Russian daily:

“While they are deploying the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, our strategic bombers will already be landing in Cuba.”

The quote hasn’t been independently confirmed, but the Russian Defense Ministry added fuel to the fire when they refused to comment on the story.

The prospect of Russian nuclear forces being stationed in Cuba - which is, after all, only 90 miles from the US coast - would bring back some rather unpleasant memories for the US of the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, where the Soviet Union under Nikita Kruschev launched an audacious and foolhardy bid to station nuclear missiles on the Caribbean island.

http://www.siberianlight.net/2008/07/23/russian-nuclear-bombers-cuba/
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Russia to help Cuba modernize weaponry, train military

September 18, 2009

HAVANA, September 18 (RIA Novosti) - Modernization of the Soviet-made military equipment and training of Cuban military personnel will be the focus of Russian-Cuban military cooperation in the near future, the chief of the Russian General Staff said on Friday. Gen. Nikolai Makarov arrived on a working visit to Cuba on Monday, met with Cuban President Raul Castro and the country's military leadership, and visited a number of military installations.

"During the Soviet era we delivered a large number of military equipment to Cuba, and after all these years most of this weaponry has become obsolete and needs repairs," Makarov said.

"We inspected the condition of this equipment, and outlined the measures to be taken to maintain the defense capability of this country...I think a lot of work needs to be done in this respect, and I hope we will be able to accomplish this task," the general said.

Makarov said the Cuban request for assistance with training of military personnel will also be fully satisfied.

Although the Cuban leadership has repeatedly said it has no intention of resuming military cooperation with Russia after the surprise closure of the Russian electronic listening post in Lourdes in 2001, bilateral military ties seem to have been improving following the visit of Russian Security Council chief Nikolai Patrushev and Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin to Cuba in July last year.

A group of Russian warships, led by the Admiral Chabanenko destroyer visited Cuba in December last year during a Caribbean tour.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090918/156170428.html

150 posted on 05/06/2012 6:39:18 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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