Skip to comments.Election Strategy for Conservatives
Posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:08 PM PDT by Antoninus
Let's face it. The second Mitt Romney becomes the Republican nominee for president, conservatives have lost the 2012 election. The time has come to attempt to make the best of a bad situation.
Please allow me to present my analysis of our current political situation and my worst- and best-case scenarios.
Worst outcome: Obama wins, Democrats Take Control of the Congress.
If that happens, conservatives have lost everything for the next generation at least. Nothing short of divine intervention could save us from socialism at that point.
Second worst outcome: Romney wins
If Romney wins, it doesn't matter who controls the Congress. Socialism will progress, and fast. Romney will have no opposition from Republicans and Democrats will only oppose to push him even further to the left. And he will acquiesce. That's his MO. Worse, Republicans will rightly get the blame for every piece of socialist legislation that Romney signs, resulting in catastrophic defeats in 2014 and a loss of the presidency in 2016 to an even more radical Democrat commanding even more insuperable majorities in Congress than Obama did in 2008.
Least bad outcome: Obama wins with less than 50% of the vote, Republicans control Congress with solid majorities in each house.
This could happen with the emergence of a strong conservative third party candidate that bleeds votes from Romney, giving Obama a Clinton-style non-mandate victory. A strong conservative third party would also have the effect of energizing otherwise apathetic conservatives to come out and vote for conservative Republicans down-ticket, even while voting against Liberal Mitt on the top line. The resulting government produces only gridlock which keeps us in the fight with momentum leading into 2014 and 2016.
Given this, I have decided, for the first time in my life, to vote for a Third Party candidate for president in November. If no one with more national name recognition emerges, Virgil Goode will be getting my vote. I encourage others to think about it and do likewise.
Conversely, you could delude yourself into thinking that Romney isn't as bad as his record clearly shows him to be and spend your time, treasure and energy helping to elect an admitted "progressive" to the presidency. If you decide to do that, God bless you. But don't claim you weren't warned.
>>I wrote the original post, genius. Read that. Nowhere do I say I’m voting for Obama as he is an odious marxist and a Catholic-hater to boot.<<
So feel free to repeat if I missed it, poindexter — WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? Not what you won’t do, what will you do?
“We have resigned the Republican party and reregistered independent.”
How did you resign the Republican Party and reregister as an independent??
Moral action requires examining the results of your actions.
Promoting the re-election of Obama is not high moral ground, and not a principled decision.
Much discussion lead to our decision. As bad as O is to the future of this great repblic, our pre(id)ent situation is the continuation of the status quo... the continuation of the existing structure to punish those who will not fall into line once entering the beltway.
OK Tea Party...Thanks for the help, now shut up and go away!
Staus Quo power protection is the name of the game, and WE refuse to play. Educated decisions for strong conservatives downticket is the play here. Every two years!
Rome wasn’t built in a night, and Romney is Nero and his fiddle.
Last I checked, it was illegal to write in names in Texas. Call your County office and ping me if I’m in error. It happens some times. Last time was on a Wednesday - - - -, I think. Boy Howdy! That was a long time ago!
I apologize. I re-read your screed (it is late and I claim eye-fatigue).
You are planning to vote for obama by voting for johnny b goode or whomever.
I apologize for not understanding that before.
Noting the inevitable result of your obama vote doesn’t state anything other than election physics. If you drop a rock, it is applied against the force G (32/sec^2 or 9.8M^s). You can call it “Charlie” if you want but the physical constants do not change.
That sounded just like the lines from a movie with Bette Davis called “All About Eve”. The scene where George Sanders as a theater critic is telling his protegee Ann Baxter almost those exact words.
Voted Perot in 92. Why does my voter registration say R ?
A key part of your recommendation is the re-election of Obama, this is part of what you are advocating and promoting. I think this is very close to: Keeping the Obama regime in power is a good idea.
And it is a very lousy idea.
So your intention is, in fact, to see to the re-election of Barack Obama. Glad you finally came right out and said it.
Now, please explain the virtues of four more years of Obama's executive orders, judicial nominations, loading the bureaucracy with marxist operatives who cannot be raked out just for cause, and a decapitated military, their chiefs replaced with insipid, pusillanimous, perfumed princes like Colin Powell whose only cause is their own career advancement.
I'll be interested to read your response explaining how this will be good for America.
>>Voted Perot in 92. Why does my voter registration say R ?<<
Because the current milieu can’t capture F for Foolish. I think I for Idiot might be available.
That analysis is beyond stupid. Not worthy of a third grader.
>>I’ll be interested to read your response explaining how this will be good for America. <<
This has nothing to do with what is good for America. This is about smugness. Voting for jonny b goode is the supposed conservative version of owning a prius. You don’t rate the distance, just the smugs per gallon...
Guess I’ll have to watch my back after I brazenly use my pen to write Sarah Palin on my ballot,lawbreaker that I am!
You're hardly in a position to call someone “delusional”. What you wrote was nothing but unadulterated fantasy.
Hm. Thanks, now I gotta go try and find it. :)
FRiend, alarm bells should go off in your head when you advocate and promote re-electing Obama on here.
Anyone on here who even suggests that it would be o.k. for the Marxist Muslim, B. Hussein Obama, to get reelected should be banished from Free Republic and driven off to DU land where they belong.
>>Sorry, I don’t do encores for the mentally impaired. <<
I don’t blame you. You have that in your very own brain so no need to share.
ding, ding, ding...winner. Obama doesn’t give a hoot who holds congress. He doesn’t need them. He doesn’t give a damn what white people think of him, legacy-wise, and he will use a second term to wreak havoc. He’s already ginning up racial unrest, and is obviously behind the occupy people. Obama is going to use his second term to go to war with this country. It’s just foolishness to think letting him have another four years is anything short of a disaster, and could possibly be the end of this country.
I like how Virgil Goode was AGAINST the idea of his mother not being able to have a cigarette on her deathbed if she desired.
I read a tiny bit about him today - he seems Good(e). !
Of course, I’m right with you on your post.
The conservative “calvalry” will be lulled into a false sense of security if Mittly is elected.
The only other thing that might happen, IMHO, if Mittly is elected is that perhaps the Euro-American-sovereign debt bubble will pop and cause a dramatic economic collapse around the world - and this would happen on the Republican ESTABLISHMENT’s watch.
And they will be clueless as to what to do. And it will provide a chance for the scraggly conservative parties around the country to actually develop into a replacement party.
Perhaps by 2014 Congressional elections or maybe 2016, we will be talking about Democratic (Socialist) and a new conservative party as being the two parties.
Perhaps no parties at all - go back to the way it was at the initial founding of the nation. Elected officials try to do what’s right, citizens watch them, the law is not watered-down and it’s enforced. And people who serve for their own gain get rooted out by incessant public scrutiny. And those who actually are “serving” are successful people who don’t need the paycheck and benefits; they serve a few years and then go home.
We think this is so impossible today but think about it - with today’s technology - it’s actually easier to monitor and publish than it was then ! The monitoring and publishing is already starting to happen ! (Thanks FR and many others !) !
I don’t know, but I do know the Repub establishment is lookin’ like a run-down has-been party of folks who don’t really understand their own purported principles, they simply want to have the power of being elected. IMHO, need more character than that to successfully stand up to commies.
While I support the concept of a 3rd party we don’’t have that luxury. Where a 3rd party comes into play really is under the parlemetary system . We don’t have a parliemtary system. The founding fathers with good reason learned from the English system and why our constitutoon is created the way it is including the dekegate electors system.
That means that a candidate for the executive branch must understand this and when annoucing and running for that office work within that complicated system.
Those who advocate getting conservatives and constitutionalists elected in the legislative branches are on the right track..
With Romney we can only hope he sheds his seeming naiviete and like Reagan whom I actively supported in his tripple attempts to reach the presidency has a “epiphany”. Reagan did on many issues and did change if you review what he did as governor of California.
Right now for example we have a Chinese blind dissodent in our embassy he’s there because of the one boy child policy of that govenment. His Romneycare supports population control and by the way in his earler time so did Churchill. I use that as an example.
What is extremely frustating about Romney is that with Obama missrepresenting a Romney statement about taking out OBL. But the reason Obama brought that up was to get back at Clinton because there is great dissatisfaction with the commie economics Obama has been using which is actually Fascist because he and his supporters are doing well.
But There’s Hillary in the wings awaiting.
What I suggest is to fully back those legislators who are conserative and the reaminder of the primaries support Santorum whereever he on is on their ballot and hope that Obamacare get killed outright by the court or if it doesn’t Romney would pledge he would support repeal.
Meaningless reply — ‘nuff said (next time include the apostrophe, else people may think you are using a word that does not exist).
If you suggest there is some aspect of my moniker that provides less than complete analysis then it is incumbent on you to provide the entirety of your argument.
We don’t want people to think you are lazy, do we?
Out of curiosity, given your support for Romeny why do you keep your tagline?
>>You’re a Romney supporter. Gotcha. Just don’t claim to be a conservative, ok? You’re supporting a liberal. <<
Your all-to-clever (OK, silly) responses to all finally are bared to their bones. You would rather have 4 more years of obozo than admit we have an imperfect candidate (he actually sucks quite a bit).
You are just looking to be politically pure so you can say “told ya so” after next November.
You don’t STAND for anything — you just fold like a cheap suit and are grabbing the nearest pole. Vote for jonny b goode if that trips your trigger. You and the 114 other people can pat yourselves on the back while an unabated obama completes his mission to destroy America.
Look up “Pyrrhic Victory” after you unbend your arm.
Spare me Killer.
Oh, so now you are pinging daddy. DADDY DADDY, I AGREE WITH YOU AND PEOPLE ARE BEING MEAN TO ME!!
What a schlemiel.
Antoninus is a long-time freeper. I think having to read and manage this thread may be sufficient penance - provided he repents of course.
>>Spare me Killer<<
IOW, you can’t refute me. You are not the first to wither in the cross-hairs of simple analysis and won’t be the last.
But thanks for playing. We have the home game version of “I care more about me than the USA” we will send with you as a parting gift.
And I'm pointing out that keeping this regime in power is the most baddest one from my perspective. My alternative is: Don't do that!
>>Antoninus is a long-time freeper. I think having to read and manage this thread may be sufficient penance - provided he repents of course.<<
Again, spare me Killer!
If you write in “Shasta” on your Ballot, it will have the same impact on the Election results that Voting for “Goode” will.
As Mark Levin says, you Vote your favorite Candidate in the Primary and you Vote your Party's Candidate in the General.
In other words, Anybody But Obama.
It is very simple. Some FReepers agree with Mark Levin and others do not, including Jim. Since we still have a Secret Ballot in this Country, all of us will make our final decision while standing in the Voting Booth.
Up to that point we will continue to argue our side of the coin, which is beginning to feel like a waste of time that is causing a fair amount of derision on this Board.
What it comes down to is all this back and forth will not change a thing. I have yet to see one FReeper posting that their mind was changed because another Freeper convinced them that their position was wrong. Just my two cents...
>>We have no good options at this point. Only bad ones. I’m pointing out the least bad one from my perspective. One shouldn’t interpret “least bad” to equal “good”.<<
Your “strategy” (actually a tactic but trying to explain the difference to you would be like explaining opera to a great dane) results in an obama re-election.
Elections have consequences. We have had 3-1/2 years of the results of the “politically pure.” Do not dodge. Wear your “re-elect obama” hat proudly. Don’t be mealy mouthed. Announce your desire for another 4 years of the worst and most anti-liberty, anti-American president ever.
Be a man and stand behind your stance.
“Start with: Remove this regime from power. Thats the primary mission in this election.”
Amen, FRiend. You said it, I say it, Andrew Breitbart said it - emphatically and passionately.
Anyone who thinks a conservative House and Senate will deter BHO is seriously mistaken. (First, we need Repubs to defeat as many Dems as possible, but all the Repubs won’t be as conservative as we dream about). Regardless, BHO’d no longer have to worry about votes in a second term and the cuffs will really be off then - he’ll go around Congress, thumbing his nose at them and any courts who rule against him, to accomplish his treasonous goals with unaccountable czars and cabinet members (he’s doing these things already, but it’d be ten times more so if re-elected).
No, all the “normal” rules are out the window with this arrogant, audacious, America-hating usurper and he has the powerful media giving him cover.
The only prayer we have for our country to survive is to GET BHO OUT, period.
Then, and only then, can we go on from there.
>>Again, spare me Killer!<<
If that’s all you got, then res ipsa loquater, baby.
Least bad outcome: Obama wins with less than 50% of the vote, Republicans control Congress with solid majorities in each house. This could happen with the emergence of a strong conservative third party candidate that bleeds votes from Romney, giving Obama a Clinton-style non-mandate victory .
Describing it as the "least bad outcome" sure sounds like you're "OK" with it to me.
This is such a stupid @ss thread, like all the others trying to convince each other how to vote. It’s a waste of time that degrades into verbal sparring on level with pissy 3rd grade girls on the playground. News flash, we all know it sucks to have Mitt. Shut up and vote however the hell you want, but don’t expect your emotional outburst vanity post to change anyones mind.