Posted on 04/30/2012 9:14:40 AM PDT by Mozilla
Why am I so passionate today? Well, most readers who visit here know the country is in deep doo-doo. I’m here to tell you that voting for Mitt Romney (D-Mass.) will not change that fact and may make things worse. I will explain two things. First, Romney (D-Mass.) is the presumptive Republican nominee precisely because he will do nothing to improve our country’s fortunes. He is the chosen one because he will maintain the status quo. That is what the GOP machine has chosen him to do.
Second, you cannot “take over” the Republican machine and turn it into something in decent. I have made that statement before, but I’m going to describe the machine in greater detail. Keep in mind that this is information I have obtained from current and former GOP insiders. Everyone on the inside agrees that the Party has been constructed so it cannot be taken over. They have also constructed a political system so the political duopoly is very, very difficult to challenge. (Republican insiders HATE political freedom, like so many other freedoms.) Whether that’s a good thing or bad thing is a matter of judgment. For conservatives and libertarians it’s bad. For establishmentarians it’s wonderful.
Finally I will explain why voting for Romney (D-Mass.) is the worst thing you can do, regardless of whether you’re a “principals” voter or a “strategic” voter.
If you are not one hundred percent convinced that I am correct in those statements, you absolutely must read the rest of this piece and tell me where I’m wrong. I know I’m correct, and I can assure you that if you vote for Romney (D-Mass.) it will be the greatest political regret of your life.
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Only an immature person would keep comparing people who refuse to vote for a pro-abort, big govt socialist as children.
I've seen dead aborted children up close and personal. Have you? I've seen a dead miscarried baby (where I could make out the sex of that child). Have you?
And yet you openly go to bat for someone who told Katie Couric Dec of 07 that PARENTS could give up their offspring to "research."
These are sober, serious issues. And you want to keep it all on the level of holding one's breath???
I suppose for your next verbosity, you'll talk about posters taking their "toys" and "going home."
If you'll notice, 'twas the people who tended to vote with their wallet who gave us the liberal businessman, Mitt Romney, to begin with...
The true "toys" -- are the materialist toy-accumulaters who vote for themselves first...self-survivalists who can't understand the basic Christ-spoken theme of picking up our cross and following Him...
Did you want to go there? You know once someone pulled out the ‘i’m a real conservative card’ on me. Of course to him,as to you the only conservative was someone that agreed with him. You understand that narrow minded approach guarantees nothing but smaller and smaller cliques as time passes. The intended insult of labeling us ‘so called conservatives’. What does the word conservative mean to you?
Constitution? Does it contain fiscal policy as well? Give us “so called conservatives” your definition so we know what we have to live up to. But if i were you i’d make it good because you threw a bunch of names into your insult.
As to trying to convince you it was certainly never my intent. The article at top however was designed to get as many people to sit out the election as possible.
This is a forum. An article is posted. People enter opinions from more than two sides of a questions. That’s what goes on here. If i wanted to go where there was only one opinion allowed i’d be elsewhere.
You and INVAR really come across as a couple of self-stroking anarchists. I really think both of you need some counseling. Reality is a Mistress not to be ignored.
That's a hoot. The GOP is in bed with him. Legislatively? Another hoot with all his late Friday executive orders.
Who is Gary Johnson?
He’s Lyndon LaRpuche’s godson.
Who is Gary Johnson?
He’s Lyndon LaRouche’s godson.
OK, I was hoping for something original though. We all have heard this for years now.
Our elections depend on those individuals that choose to run. Unfortunately, these people are usually politicians...
[I'd say that's rather consistent with the end-times view as depicted by Jesus...see Matthew 24...Paul (see 2 Timothy 3)...John (see Revelation)...]
But, of course, if you're some "idealist" that things are somehow going to "get better" because of some "political relativistic" notion...that tossing away the meaning behind the pro-life plank because we have a pro-abort running as an (r)...or yielding ANY crit of Obama's socialistic healthcare because we now have the original pioneer master of it running as an (r)...etc...
Then, by all means, be sure to conservatively mentor us, then re: this 'new' "conservative confession" we're all to embrace...
...we at least listen.
America won’t survive another 4 of Hussein. Her death will merely be slower with Romney. Even if she survived 4 years under either of them it will be Hillary v Romney II or Hillary v Rubio meaning another fixed election. Something killed off the last conservative in DC back around 2005.
But he was repressed!
Maybe you’re that guy. I thought Palin was. Maybe she still will be. What can we do? Hope we recognize that person/s. Then pitch in where we can. I wish i had something new and intelligent to tell you but i think we have 2 entrenched parties and its going to be hard,bark breaking and soul wrenching work to make inroads.
One of two things happens in November: Obama is elected or Romney is elected. That's it. No third option, no third party, no Sarah to ride to the rescue, no brokered convention. I don't want the former to happen. Period. Do you?
No no. I defer to you who tossed out the ‘so called conservative’ line. That was you? Not me? I have that correct?
Let's start with your comment re: a grandson who already owes the government over $50,000.
I think if our convo extended enough we could come to the same conclusion that the basic problem here is that BOTH Dems & Republican congressmen & POTUS(es) -- with Dems being the far worse culprits -- have refused in recent times...I'd say since the Gingrich "Contract with America" that ran out...what? 16 years ago?
So for a decade-and-a-half we've had leaders on both sides (again, with Dems being far worse) who have refused to "bite the bullet" NOW!
Instead, they have chosen to mortgage future generations.
Well, just as that is true financially and budget-wise, the same Waterloo is before us now re: the size of govt, re: appointing liberal judges, re: abortion, etc.
We have TWO mainstream liberal candidates running. And just as our Congressional/POtus leaders have refused to bit the bullet financially over these past 16 years, we now see the same is true of many conservative voters (re: size of govt, social-issues, socialized healthcare, endorsing idolatry, moral issues, etc.)
They don't want to "bite the political bullet" in 2012.
They want to pass on the problem of RINOs to future generations.
They want to pass on the problem of pro-abortion (Rs) to future generations.
They want to pass on the problem of big-govt POTUS candidates to future generations.
They want to pass on the problem of socialism to future generations.
So.
Just stop complaining then about Dems who refuse to "bite the bullet" re: budgets and socialized healthcare and protecting the next generation emerging from the womb.
Why? Because you've embraced somebody who's a Dem photocopy of these very same issues.
Yes. He went there. The truth outs. One issue perfectionist. Why did i wast my time responding.
And just for the record, I find Milt Rominy to be a loathesome creature. But I do not believe this America will survive another four years of the little bastard commie and his thugocracy. Rominy will only work out if we can elect a majority into the Seante who will hold the 'melchizedek high priest's feet to Constitution. If not, all we have done is stretched the collapse out a few short years. But we know how the Cloward-Piven strategy ends the Republic, and we can see what the little bastard commie is doing to the infrastructure for his elitist masters, and what he will do to the SCOTUS will end the rule of law and establish rule by the oligarchs. At least with Milt we are still guessing how socialist he is.
And just for the record, I find Milt Rominy to be a loathesome creature. But I do not believe this America will survive another four years of the little bastard commie and his thugocracy. Rominy will only work out if we can elect a majority into the Senate who will hold the 'melchizedek high priest's feet to Constitution. If not, all we have done is stretched the collapse out a few short years.
But we know how the Cloward-Piven strategy ends the Republic very quickly, and we can see what the little bastard commie is doing to the infrastructure for his elitist masters, we can see the racial dividing this racist prick is fomenting, and what he will do to the SCOTUS will end the rule of law and establish rule by the oligarchs. At least with Milt we are still guessing how socialist he is.
I just fussed at myself for the same thing. The ironic thing is, I would put my pro-life beliefs, credentials and experiences against anybody's. While not exceeding everyone's, I know I wouldn't be found wanting. While I was anti-abortion before, one does not have a child born 12 weeks early and watch that child fight and struggle while growing slowly stronger just a little bit each day and experience setbacks and complications, and then good days and improvements, and surgeries, and healings, until they finally come home 10 weeks later and today have a wonderfully healthy four-year old, and all of this after losing another child even earlier along a couple of years earlier, without gaining a better understanding of God's miracle of life and just how precious it is.
What a run-on sentence. It simply comes down to the fact that our country needs Obama to lose. And there is only one path that leads there.
What-ever floats your boat.
I'll be voting against the Communist, you go ahead and sit this one out.
But don't come back to FR bitching about an Obamah 2nd term.
What a fool!!
I’m good for maybe 4 or 5 more presidential elections...I doubt I will see much of a change before I’m gone.
Sounds like virtually the same arguments I’ve been making about Romney and the GOP since this primary started. It all seemed quite apparent by reading in between the lines of how everything went down, especially the massive, inexplicable bias towards Romney by most of the “conservative” media. That kind of thing does not come from people who altruistically want the “best” candidate. It comes from a coordinated and well-funded propaganda machine. Interesting to see everything I observed about Romney and the GOP confirmed by someone who actually has inside connections. I’m not interested in going libertarian though. Hopefully Americans Elect picks someone more appealing.
hmm 4-5. Including this one when i turn 58.....
So...do you ... or do you not...
...lay the blame of Obama problems & consequences -- all that fall-out delivered to our laps as voter-citizens
...at the feet of Obama voters or not?
If you're consistent...All that Obama fall-out we've suffered household-by-household...would be just a "drama queen" association if anybody was to actually tie Obama policies & Obama doctrines & Obama socialism to actual Obama voters.
Why, sayz you, apparently those Obama voters had nothing to do with our national suffering. Why, anybody making such a claim is merely engaging in anti-libertarian "drama queenism."
Of course, I don't think you can be consistent here...(Why would that surprise me about a Romney supporter on a conservative site?)
One of two things happens in November: Obama is elected or Romney is elected. That's it. No third option, no third party, no Sarah to ride to the rescue, no brokered convention. I don't want the former to happen. Period. Do you?
Barring a sudden economic freefall, I believe the MSM will rise up in this country and deliver the most potent Romney vetting ever delivered of a candidate in a 5-6 month period
Most of it -- they won't even need to make up (for once). They can just post Romney-as-is.
I believe that will turn the voter tide vs. Romney...
...the Independents will begin to run away because of whacky Mormonism being finally vetted by the MSM (I say "finally" 'cause it's mostly been surface stuff til now)...
...Some conservative Christians will think twice about endorsing idolatry -- a candidate who thinks he's a "god-in-embryo"...
...Some pro-life conservatives will think long & hard about voting for someone who still thinks it's "OK" for parents to give their offspring to "research"...
...Some libertarians will think long & hard about voting for a big-govt socialist healthcare pioneer...
...And all will see how untrustworthy ANYTHING Romney says is...his flip-flops on abortion, on embryos, on protecting sexual minority employees, etc...are all legendary...
That'll be "enough" to ensure a Romney loss...And then all of the pro-Romney supporters on FR will have egg on their face...
Why?
#1 They will have wasted their vote. If the only votes that truly count are the ones for the winner, then all other votes were wasted...those votes for a second-place also-ran were no better than the votes for a third-place also-ran. "Also-rans" just don't count -- as posters like you keep reminding us.
#2 They will have seared their conscience once and for all. No longer will they be able to come on FR and preach vs. big govt...or socialistic healthcare...or abortion policies...or liberal judge appointments...why? Because they embraced the same liberal candidacy on these same issues...only the (R) version of the same! To do some about-face would be downright hypocrisy!
#3 They will have seared their FR reputation.
Big govt? Check. ("Count me in as a 'conservative voter'")/sarc
Socialistic healthcare? Check. ("Count me in as a 'conservative voter'") /sarc
Aborting & giving the next generation in the womb to research? Check. ("Count me in as a 'conservative voter'") /sarc
Appointing 75% of liberal judges? Check. ("Count me in as a 'conservative voter'") /sarc
Excellent point. If Obama wins then anyone that did not vote to defeat him really needs to shut their mouth the next 4 years about his policies.
Sounds like virtually the same arguments I’ve been making here about Romney and the GOP since this primary started, right down to him being an empty-suited Wall Street puppet who wants the title in exchange for doing everything his handlers in the party and its financial backers want. It all seemed quite apparent by reading in between the lines of how everything went down, especially the massive, inexplicable bias towards Romney by most of the “conservative” media. That kind of thing does not come from people who altruistically want the “best” candidate. It comes from a coordinated and well-funded propaganda machine. Interesting to see everything I observed about Romney and the GOP confirmed by someone who actually has inside connections. I’m not interested in going libertarian though. Hopefully Americans Elect finds someone more appealing.
If you’ve seen some of the articles interviewing voters you know all kinds of them voted for Romney for some of the stupidest, most vapid reasons imaginable. There are also some Tea Party groups which endorsed Romney, which shows they’re either corrupt, infiltrated by the establishment or just plain stupid.
Who's sitting anything out? There's other races/issues besides POTUS. I, like, hundreds of thousands & eventual millions of other GOP voters, will become ex-GoP when Romney gets the nomination...(I don't predict a huge exodus in 2012...many will wait til Romney becomes another Bob Dole & will leave in 2013)
The shrinking pie piece of registered voters -- 29% right now for the Repubs -- will shrink all the more as they move further toward Whig-like extinction. (I mean, hey, if we wanted somebody to the left of LBJ, many of us would have become Dems long ago!)
But don't come back to FR bitching about an Obamah 2nd term.
Well, don't come back on FR bitching about the potential Dems' POTUS dynasty because the Republicans decided to provoke and evacuate its base in 2012.
Remember...Evangelicals were 34% of the ENTIRE electorate in the 2010 election. That's not 34% of the Republican primaries... but the entire vote...
The Evangelicals didn't rally around a single candidate; split their vote; and we get RINOman as the result.
Some will vote for self-confessed "evil"; others won't.
And even those that do will wind up with a bad taste in their mouth they'll never be able to get rid of...that guilt coupled with association of being a Republican will eventually cause many of them to leave the party.
How ironic. Here conservatives blamed politicians for not biting the bullet -- when they themselves as voter-citizens didn't want to bite the 2012 bullet, either.
We are guilty of the very thing we accuse politicians of...We deserve as a nation God's holy judgment.
None of them have the power of the Executive Order.
I’m voting and it sure as hell isn’t for Steve Dunham. To not vote for Pres means an 0 vote. My vote will at least cancel that of a Dem dead.
Reality is somebody in town telling you that your daughter can either marry...
...(a) somebody who will abort your grandkids
...Or (b) somebody who will abort your grandkids while also giving some of them to "research"
And, then, you, thinking "reality" is what you've been told, wind up publicly endorsing "choice B".
Now, it's true...Perhaps, your daughter would have married choice (a) or choice (b), anyway...Maybe, you thought you were just making the best of a situation in which you invited a mistress into your life who was advising you to tell your daughter to avoid choice (a) at all costs...and you knew Choice C wouldn't work out til four years down the line...
But hey...what you forgot is there's no guarantee that choice (b) would result in a real "marriage," anyway...after all, a six-month "marriage of convenience" that ends in a divorce to a loser wasn't a marriage worth endorsing, anyway, right?
So...beyond that...is endorsing such a grandkid-aborting character what you want to be known for reputationally (as well as ultimate accountability before God)?
So what? I was only clarifying I’ve not advised anyone to “stay home”...so FR posters should stop making overreach assumptions that don’t apply.
Amen ... and blessings to your little one.
How warped is that!!
As of now, you've become a pro-abort...
A RINO
A promoter of Big govt
A promoter of socialistic healthcare
A promoter of global warming
A promoter of liberal judge appointers
A promoter of idolatry -- elevating somebody who portends to be a "god in embryo" on his way to full grown-up godhood
A promoter of somebody who embraced with 10% of his income open racism from age 18 to 31 -- and who still endorses "sacred books" that proclaim the same!
Wow! Such a "new" proud Republican "tradition" to leave your kids & grandkids!
Who's talking about anybody's credentials or experiences?
(I'm not)
I don't know you. You're a stranger -- as is your past.
But I can distinguish between past performance and current advocacy.
When you support somebody, who post his so-called "pro-life conversion," still advocated -- to Katie Couric the first week of December, 2007...a full year into his so-called "pro-life" campaign mode...that it's "OK" for "parents" to give their offspring to "research," then let's not do what the liberals do and start playing euphemistic word-games.
Let's call our offspring who they are...and no, that doesn't mean becoming advocates for how "researchable" they might be...and embrace such candidates that do that...
If 90-99% of pro-life voters vote for a "pro-abort," why bother even trying to set ourselves apart from other pro-abort voters?
If 90-99% of conservative voters vote for a liberal, why bother even trying to set ourselves apart from other liberal voters?
Just run down the Romney list and ask yourself the same Q re: big govt, socialistic healthcare, appointing liberal judges, global warming, etc...
Hey, we've been friends. I respect your opinions.
You might be right here. And I respect all FREEPERs who continually make this point.
I need to ask you, tho, are you speaking prophetically here? Are you sure our God isn't strong enough to help us overcome an enemy like Obama?
'Cause I'll tell you what...I've studied quite carefully the series of persecutions that Christians underwent in the 300 years post-Christ's death & resurrection...And even though some of those civilizations didn't fair well, the Christians not only survived but thrived!
If you can show me ONE just one candidate other than Milt Rominy who has an outside chance of dethroning little barry abstard, then I will vote for that one.
OK. It may seem a bit obvious after I tell you...but...if I am right...and IF we as a country do survive another Obama 4 years...the answer is "Choice C."
And who is Choice C?
Lord willing, it's a conservative who can win in 2016! [Believe me, Obama is not permanent! And Romney is no "political savior."]
Please all I am suggesting is that we "bite the bullet" in 2012...the very same message we need to send to Congress & the White House!
Work to deny him (Romney) a second term - WITH WHOM? Party candidates normally do not run against their own incumbent. And, if you think it’ll go “all primary” on an incumbent Romney, I’ve got some beach land to sell you in Nebraska. That will not happen.
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Do you work for your living or did God provide you with a winning lottery number?
Or maybe we should ask Holocaust survivors your question -- I know a couple, want me to find out what they think about waiting for God to save you from an evil despot?
I’m with you; let’s all work to re-elect President Obama.Sure. Why not? What have we got to lose?
It would have to start now ... not in early 2016. A message would have to be sent to Mittens ... loud and clear ... that we will not stand for any further left leanings from him. And if he does, we will have a conservative candidate waiting and ready to challenge him. This could be accomplished by more involvement from the tea party folks, calls to representatives/senators, etc ... the avenues to keep Mittens in check.
IMO, that would be a lot easier than recovering from 4 more years of the Kenyan.
We have a very opposite opinion. You believe the voting rights will survive four more years and chaos and mayhem of a collapsed economy will not happen if barry is ruler for four more years. I most adamently disagree and I have clear indications that the final collapse is already being arranged, to end American resistence to the global one world government and banking powers. I understand that it is more comforting to believe God will not allow US to collapse, but you forget Wse The People have allowed evil to rise to unimagined heights, even willfully slaughtering the blessings God sends to US via the womb. I’m sure you’re familiar with the Biblical passage of ‘If my People, who are called by my name ...’ Well, Colo, We The People spit on that long ago and now we are fending off evil we could not have imagined rising to control this once great country. Milt may buy US more time to repent. Barry will crush US if we allow him to remain in power. He is an evil man with evil bosses who placed him at the top over another evil person, Hillary Clinton. Our votes are the last resort we have, and I don’t appreciate you trying to squerlch my posts by inveigling this discussion with ‘don’t you believe our God is big enough?’ Our God is giving us chance after chance to renet of this abandonment of our sovereignty. Voting against little barry commie is an exercise of sovereignty, to buy US time to change the direction of this nation or perish.
Thanks. We had his fourth (time flies) birthday party three or four weeks ago. We have a couple of nieghbors with little ones his age and he is almost as tall as they are. He has pretty much caught up. I appreciate your and other folks on here thoughts and concerns during that time. I know your prayers made a difference.
I look forward to getting through November so that we can put this FR rift (FRift?) behind us. I am just not sure how many of us will be left by then.
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