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Role of nurses in Third Reich “overlooked”: comment
BioEdge ^ | 4/28/12 | Jared Yee

Posted on 04/28/2012 1:09:11 PM PDT by wagglebee

The work of Nazi doctors is a well-documented lesson in medical ethics. There was even a separate trial for them at Nuremberg and seven were hanged. But what about the nurses who assisted them? Their role has been airbrushed from history, says an Australian academic. Professor Linda Shields, of Curtin University, expressed her concerns in Nursing Review three weeks ago. “There has been a great deal of scholarship on the role of doctors and what they did in Nazi-occupied Europe, what has been neglected or overlooked is the role of nurses,” Shields said. “And yet most of the killings that we are looking at occurred in hospitals where nurses made up the bulk of the workforce. Nurses were very much involved in the killings and the camp experiments,” she said.

Survivor testimonies and available documents state that nurses actively and voluntarily participated in Nazi euthanasia programs, killing over 10,000 people, many of them children. Some estimates are as high as 30,000 victims. While it is impossible to find exact figures on the number of nurses involved - as most of the information was destroyed after the war - Shields says it was a minority of nurses but most have not been held to account for their crimes.

“The bulk of nurses working in Nazi-occupied Europe cared for their patients appropriately, but there were a handful of nurses who chose, and the word is chose, to follow the regime that declared that some of their patients should be killed. These nurses were not forced to do it. The nurses who did these things did them of their own free will,” says Shields, whose historical research into the Nazi era has earned her a place in an international nursing hall of fame, which she will formally receive in August.

Many nurses were allowed to relocate to other hospitals because they disagreed with the objectives of the programs, records state. “There is no record of anyone being sent to a concentration camp. There is no record of anyone losing their job over refusing to participate in the sterilisation or euthanasia programs,” Shields says. She and fellow researcher Dr Susan Benedict will publish a book of their research later this year. ~ Nursing Review, Apr 3


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“And yet most of the killings that we are looking at occurred in hospitals where nurses made up the bulk of the workforce. Nurses were very much involved in the killings and the camp experiments,” she said.

Nurses will also be expected to carry out the dictates of American death panels.

1 posted on 04/28/2012 1:09:17 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 04/28/2012 1:11:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 04/28/2012 1:11:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Worth noting the next time you hear a teenager complain about all us “old people” using up all the world’s resources.


4 posted on 04/28/2012 1:11:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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5 posted on 04/28/2012 1:12:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

american medical personnel seem to be uniquely qualified to abuse life.


6 posted on 04/28/2012 1:12:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: wagglebee

>>“The bulk of nurses working in Nazi-occupied Europe cared for their patients appropriately, but there were a handful of nurses who chose, and the word is chose, to follow the regime that declared that some of their patients should be killed. These nurses were not forced to do it. The nurses who did these things did them of their own free will,” says Shields, whose historical research into the Nazi era has earned her a place in an international nursing hall of fame, which she will formally receive in August.

Nurses assist in abortions right here, right now. They are celebrated as Heroes of the People by the left.


7 posted on 04/28/2012 1:12:59 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: wagglebee

I’d say most if not all are dead from old age by now.


8 posted on 04/28/2012 1:17:01 PM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Especially those belonging to the SEIU...


9 posted on 04/28/2012 1:57:43 PM PDT by snuffy smiff (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.)
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To: wagglebee

Get over it. Everyone back then did wrong. This endless persecution needs to stop. They’re all dead and dying already.


10 posted on 04/28/2012 2:46:05 PM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Peter from Rutland

Here’s an extra </sarcasm> tag for the next time...


11 posted on 04/28/2012 3:11:56 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1194 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: wagglebee
Nurses always get the feces dumped upon them. They are held responsible for anything untoward including medical malpractice. Families don't see the treating physicians unless they camp in their relative's room. During the pogroms the Nazi's conducted against European Jewery, nurses were probably getting yelled at for not having the ovens hot enough. Nurses always catch hell! 'Nurse didn't, I tell you that I wanted the infectious diseases in a 50cc syringe'

Let me tell you big shot Aussie Nurse Educator. Go back to the wards and take care of patients and leave nurses who take care of patients alone! Don't throw the hardest working people in the hospital under the bus Bitch!

12 posted on 04/28/2012 3:26:41 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the communityÂ…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: null and void
Here’s an extra tag for the next time...

bump that.

13 posted on 04/28/2012 3:35:37 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: wagglebee

Exactly right.


14 posted on 04/28/2012 3:37:19 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

No kidding — I was just going to say the same thing. We’re about to have this start happening right in front of our eyes (and already do with all the baby-killing) and we still have the chance to stop it. What was done in war is done. Some people need to be perpetual victims and live in the past of 70+ years ago.


15 posted on 04/28/2012 3:58:43 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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Get over it. Everyone back then did wrong. This endless persecution needs to stop. They’re all dead and dying already.

Why am I not surprised that a Romneybot TROLL is telling people not to worry about past euthanasia programs.

Leftists have ALWAYS favored killing the disabled, elderly and other vulnerable groups and Nazi Germany is a reminder that it can happen again. But, trolls like YOU tell us to stop "persecuting" the Nazis.

Socialized medicine REQUIRES death panels to remain solvent and your pal Myth is the father of American socialized medicine. When Romneycare v2.0 (aka Obamacare) gets ramped up and the death panels are targeting people for extermination, I'm sure all of the Romneybots will just be saying to "get over it" because they believe Myth will protect them.

16 posted on 04/28/2012 4:11:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Borax Queen
Let's look at this from another perspective.

We live in a country where leftist policies have impacted the mentally ill and mentally retarded for over 30 years.

Safe facilities where these people were boarded were closed. Although some were not good places, many were.

The mentally ill and mentally retarded were boarded, fed, given minimal healthcare, kept clean, and kept from being prey or preying upon the populace.

Families of the mentally ill or mentally retarded were no longer attempting to manage psychotic violent and vulnerable relatives.

Today the mentally ill and mentally retarded are loose in the streets. They are expected to follow medication regimes that they dislike and often run from. They are expected to manage the outside world when they cannot and they, if they are lucky, end up in homeless shelters that provide a dite of the care that was once provided at the local state hospitals.

The patient right laws do not permit less than the fullest freedoms and one has to flunk the test a lot in order to curtail the freedom of a mentally ill patient with continuous poor judgment.

Right now near you there are patients coming into hospitals nationwide, who are horrifically beaten because of their behaviors, who are filled with lice and bites because of their poor judgment, who are fantastically psychotic because they need a protective boundary to be able to continue to be medicated.

We no longer provide the care for the people that our forefathers thought was the basis of human compassion and charity.

Instead we have a government with out of control rules. It is heartbreaking. What is more heartbreaking is to see families whose hands are tied as their beloved child or spouse becomes increasingly insane and hurt.

My fear, that the leftist blob cannot go back to congregant custodial care. That instead, the blob will talk itself into mercy-killing these poor souls. Because they will make it a choice and an attractive option. It will fit the mindset of the intellectuals as we move in that direction as these self same intellectuals debate life and death and who gets to live and who gets to die.

It will not be pretty. But it will be logical. German doctors who killed numerous of the mentally ill and mentally retarded all had logical reasons to kill them. Reasons these educated people believed.

I guess we just may party like it is 1932 all over again.

What have we come to?

17 posted on 04/28/2012 4:21:59 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: wagglebee

:Just following orders.


18 posted on 04/28/2012 4:22:58 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Reading Righteous Indignation so I can be Andrew Breitbart)
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To: Chickensoup
Excellent post!
19 posted on 04/28/2012 4:26:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Chickensoup

I think your history is spot-on and that that is coming next. Always the “unintended consequences” with the leftists.

My father and his family were in one of Hitler’s camps, and many of my relatives were murdered by cruel doctors/nurses in Siberian concentration camps. I have little doubt it’s all happening all over again — and my parents say the same thing.

Any country that can murder 50+ million babies, plus countless others (we both know plenty of examples), is not too far off from killing off the elderly, disabled, mentally ill, and so forth.

Any country that allows irradiation and molestation of innocent citizens, but especially the disabled and elderly, isn’t too far off from 1932, or many other horrific periods that are even more recent.


20 posted on 04/28/2012 4:30:47 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: wagglebee

Thank you.

So true. So scary.


21 posted on 04/28/2012 4:31:30 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Borax Queen

Recently speaking to healthcare workers and pointed out some of these facts that they are complicit with leftist policies that harm helpless mentally ill and mentally retarded patients. They initially denied it, but eventually stopped and agreed although it made them very uncomfortable to realize that their is not much difference in the blind following of leftist laws and what the German docs and nurses were doing in the thirties.

Matter of degrees.


22 posted on 04/28/2012 4:36:24 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: wagglebee

Well said!


23 posted on 04/28/2012 4:41:47 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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The same is true with abortion. The names of at least some abotionists have become infamous. But the nurses who help them with their killinhgs remain largely anonymous.


24 posted on 04/28/2012 4:42:52 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Chickensoup

Many years ago when he was an up and coming news reporter a very young Geraldo Rivera did a news story about these kind of “hospitals”. Geraldo’s news camera had caught some very disturbing images. It was because of this story that the state closed this hospital and others followed as well. It was decided that the mentally retarded (for which this was a warehouse for) would be better in homes even if with foster families.

I personally don’t know which is better but I do know that after seeing the news article that we should never go back to that. The staff either did not care or pardon the pun, were just retarded themselves and could not care for these people. Most animal shelters would not have gotten away with the crap they pulled.


25 posted on 04/28/2012 4:48:28 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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I agree that there were bad places. And there were good places. There are always bad apples. But I can tell you that isolated usually rural foster homes were no picnic either for some people.

I postulate that more people are hurt by today’s system than ever were hurt by the previous system.

A custodial system with the safeguards that forty years of new experiences would be better IMHO than what we have now.


26 posted on 04/28/2012 4:52:43 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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I don’t see that the point of the research or the article is to denounce any particular nurses in the past, but to learn that it can happen again. Fore warned is fore armed.


27 posted on 04/28/2012 4:52:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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There is no record of anyone being sent to a concentration camp. There is no record of anyone losing their job over refusing to participate in the sterilisation or euthanasia programs.

That makes it sound like the Nazis allowed something like a "conscience clause", a practice our home grown anti-Lifers won't permit.

Rather disquieting to think Hitler could be more humane than Obozo.

28 posted on 04/28/2012 4:54:22 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: Chickensoup

Interesting (and scary).


29 posted on 04/28/2012 4:54:58 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Robwin
I was thinking the same thing.
30 posted on 04/28/2012 4:58:32 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Chickensoup

Excellent points.


31 posted on 04/28/2012 4:59:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: little jeremiah
I don’t see that the point of the research or the article is to denounce any particular nurses in the past, but to learn that it can happen again. Fore warned is fore armed.

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Exactly right.

32 posted on 04/28/2012 4:59:47 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Borax Queen

“My father and his family were in one of Hitler’s camps, and many of my relatives were murdered by cruel doctors/nurses in Siberian concentration camps”

I am sorry.


33 posted on 04/28/2012 5:04:12 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: trisham

Remember that famous test years ago wherein volunteers were to push buttons that supposedly caused other volunteers to experience pain? And they could hear the other “volunteers” screaming in pain, and still pushed the buttons?

Of course the “volunteers” experiencing pain were not volunteers at all, the only subjects were the button pushers.

Many people will do horrific things if they are told to do so by “authorities”. It takes strong moral courage to stand up against authority. This is something not valued in our current debased and debauched and greed driven society. We will see very bad results, even more than we see now, I am afraid.


34 posted on 04/28/2012 5:08:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: wagglebee

Recently had 56yrto old RN tell me that she will need to get a bachelors degree within the next 4 to 5the years or????. Her years of experience will mean nothing. She cannot afford to pay for the degree work and will retire instead. I can only imagine the focus of the ‘degree’ courses required for these RNs. Go along to get along OR Get OUT of the system. Nurse anesthetist will be in training for 2 additional years. Pharmacists may require doctorates. The indoctrination and federalization of medical care is here NOW.


35 posted on 04/28/2012 5:11:04 PM PDT by codder too
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To: combat_boots

Oh, combat_boots, that is so very nice, thank you. No one dwells on it, and my parents (and my grandparents, I still have one grandmother who’s alive) have basically never talked about it in my 40+ years on earth.
I do try to talk to other family friends and more recent emigres to find out what exactly went on under Stalinist and Hitler’s rule, although I don’t want to dwell on it too long either.

What scares me the most is that my parents are seeing this happening all over again. No matter that a relatively small group of people remember what happened 70+ years ago, history’s being repeated. That’s why I feel we must spend our energy on here and now and the future. It feels like we are on an unchangeable course, but I like to believe that we can still make a difference. That we won’t look back, or our children look back, and wonder why relatively few fought back.

A lot of the things that were going on then during war (restrictions on travel, people were all considered lawbreakers because so many new laws were in place, a disregard for human life, no fair trials, so on) are deja vu to too many!


36 posted on 04/28/2012 5:14:14 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: wagglebee
Expected hell! They will be required to.

But if you recall, Americans went to the polls on November 4, 2008 to choose who they wished to lead them. And the majority choose degenerates when given the option. We will in the near future begin to reap the seeds that were so gladly, gleefully, and so orgasmically pleasurefully sowed on that day. And the harvest is going to be bitter, very bitter.

37 posted on 04/28/2012 5:30:04 PM PDT by sport
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To: wagglebee

Florence Nightmare


38 posted on 04/28/2012 5:40:32 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: wagglebee

speaking of Nazis, a movie to watch for is “Iron Sky” (In 2018 Nazis are discovered living on the moon, ready to attack earth). trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_IndUbcxc

The US president is Palin-esque.


39 posted on 04/28/2012 6:10:52 PM PDT by isom35
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To: Morgana
Most animal shelters would not have gotten away with the crap they pulled.

My how things have changed (or haven't)-you should check out what is happening with the Atlanta Humane Society Animal Shelter right now. Local TV station is savaging it for all the parvo-riddled dogs and cats they adopted out that subsequently died and the huge coverup they have tried to hide behind.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/iteam/I-Team-Disease-Outbreaks-at-Humane-Society

(sorry, dunno how to hotlink)

So sad to see what we are rapidly becoming...
40 posted on 04/28/2012 6:18:10 PM PDT by snuffy smiff (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.)
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To: wagglebee

If they aborted any babies, they should be discovered and persecuted.


41 posted on 04/28/2012 6:22:48 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The President who ate the dog, will wag the dog.)
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To: snuffy smiff

Oh I agree it happens there too. Just remember one thing. When it happens to Fluffy and Rover the people just go nuts and you had better believe some heads will roll over that.

When it happens in a warehouse full of retarded people the public is outraged but society is slower to clean up that mess.

The warehouse Geraldo took his cameras to did not “fix” the problem for several years. You can just bet that within weeks of this animal shelter going rogue the “Problem” will be fixed in a matter of months and people will be fired!


42 posted on 04/28/2012 7:43:03 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: codder too

I am a conservative RN. I received my RN diploma from the old school (best) way of a 3 year hospital based program 25 years ago. I just completed my BSN . It took a year and $20,000. I really just took BullS*&% junk including a very politically correct sociology class. What surprised me was the apparent conservative bend to most of my classmates who were from all parts of the country and all ages.Even a lot of the professors seemed somewhat conservative. It is true though that now all RN’s will have to get their degrees and experience won’t matter. pity.... 2o K !! Granted it was on-line but that’s an awful lot to pay. As usual it’s just a money grabbing thing.


43 posted on 04/29/2012 12:11:06 AM PDT by R.I.chopper
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To: wagglebee

Want to see my voting record?

Want to come to my house and say that to me in person?

I didn’t think so.


44 posted on 04/29/2012 3:37:00 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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Want to see my voting record?

I don't need to, you've made it quite clear that you support Myth Romney.

Want to come to my house and say that to me in person?

Do you mean how you tried to downplay the Holocaust and claim that we were somehow "persecuting" the Nazis? Or do you mean where I pointed out that supporters of Romneycare typically support the idea of death panels?

I didn’t think so.

Your hubris is demonstrated by the false belief that I give a damn what you think.

45 posted on 04/29/2012 11:22:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Peter from Rutland

bye


46 posted on 04/29/2012 11:30:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: wagglebee

Once again, the work of women being marginalized :-)


47 posted on 04/29/2012 11:33:34 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Borax Queen

It feels to me like history is repeating itself, too. National Socialist and Marxist philosphy (humanism) always follows the same path where human life and dignity is not respected.

All the Jews need to come to Texas if things get nasty and we will play cowboys and Nazis.


48 posted on 04/29/2012 11:42:46 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks Jim!
49 posted on 04/29/2012 11:46:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Another pro-death, pro-Romney, anti-FReeper troll gets the zot!
50 posted on 04/29/2012 11:47:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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