Skip to comments.Let's put this to bed. We have bigger fish to fry.
Posted on 04/27/2012 4:56:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Everyone please send whatever you are able to, whether it is $10, $100 or $1,000+. The DUmmies, Morons, Kos Kiddies and that crew are laughing up their sleeves. Jim may have to make this site members only or allow ads. Better for us to just help with what we can. Maybe you can donate as a memorial for a lost loved one, a servicemember who never made it home or was disabled defending our country. Perhaps you'd like to give to keep free discussion alive and to show them that we're not knuckling under. I'm sure a well thought out or prayerful meditation will lead you to see the need and how you can help. If every registered FReeper and our lurkers would each just help out with a fin or a sawbuck, or better yet a Ben Franklin, we could put this to bed and get on with the conservative cause.
He did not pull them. His genius was that they followed him freely.
I think it depends...a few days ago a poster proclaimed that she was an “idiot” for indicating she’d support Romney if he ran against Obama. I don’t recall that poster being censured; presumably because he was on the right side of the issue that trumps all other issues.
Oh well let's see he has a few more weeks of American Idol with his girlfriends where they can act like Mean Girls. He actually is like a male Joy Behar when I think of it. Using that crappy cliche sarcastic attacks trying to sound sophisticated when he's probably using a thesaurus in Microsoft Word to make himself sound smart!
Nitpicker. Okay. He lead them. :-)
I know the attacks happened (I received plenty of them for supporting Perry), but this site (and others) were just overwhelmed with it for awhile. I just don't see what the FR moderators could have realistically done. We just kinda had to get through that. I just don't blame the owner of this site or its moderators for the flood of anti-Perry stuff. It was just so much for awhile I don't think there was a practical way to stop it short of draconian methods that would have ended up causing even more problems. I think this was the direct result of Sarah Palin's actions. Her endless tease campaign caused a lot of damage to our primaries. A LOT of conservatives were so sure she was going to run and were determined to help clear the way for her - Perry (at least for awhile) was the most obvious threat to her candidacy. While Sarah was still dithering, there was a great risk that his campaign could have raised lots of money and established itself as the de-facto anti-Romney candidate. Lots of analysts were already declaring the primary was Perry's to lose. Many active Palin supporters simply went in to war room, overdrive mode and sought to destroy Rick before he could endanger a Palin campaign they were convinced was right around the corner.
You said it. Reagan also reached out to Tip O'Neill. He was a pragmatist, when all was said and done.
Ummm...no, sugarplum, that's not the "real" question. If there is a question about stands, it has already been answered. The core FR crowd is for Obama's reelection. Simple.
You know darn right well what conservatism is and don't bother playing games here with me about it. God given inalienable rights, as our Founding Founders understood, stated, fought for and died for, as embodied in the Declaration of Independence.
It's as I thought. You don't know how to define "real" conservatism, so you attack. Shrug.
You should learn a little history, though. The Founders were not whatever the modern interpretation of "real" conservatives is according to FR. The modern terms "conservative" and "liberal" didn't exist 236 years ago and have no application to the Founders or the times in which they lived. They were men and women of The Enlightenment. They were -- horrors -- the elites and intellectuals of their day. Their ideas were truly radical for the time. In fact, in the period and context in which they were created, both the Declaration and Constitution were the most radical political documents ever written.
The core cabal here at FR hasn't a clue about what the kind of radicalism of the Founders means even in our times, let alone how critical it is for us to conserve the Founders' ideas and legacy. What is on display at FR these days is an ugly totalitarian impulse that is the antithesis of their legacy.
Go ahead. Ping your little coven of nasties. Have me "zotted." Makes not a whit of difference to me. You people don't pay my bills, or put a roof over my head, or do anything of substance in my life. You haven't got the intellectual firepower to go toe-to-toe with me in a debate, nor the simple comprehension that it would take to figure out that what you people are is anything but politically akin to the Founders.
Oh, honey, you don’t want to even see examples.
It would depress you.
I’ve got examples from Perry threads alone that ...
I could to thee a tale unfold whose lightest word would harrow up thy soul, freeze they young blood.
JR has repeatedly said that FR is not a debating society, we could never get anything done if we were just debating liberalism versus conservatism all day.
Do we really need to search for a position on abortion in daily discussion, or try to stop it?
If you like to merely debate the issues, then find a debating forum that has no political mission or goal.
PRAISE GOD FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
I’m humbled and blessed by your kind understanding.
Feeling understood is a high priority to me, given my significant degree of ATTACHMENT DISORDER.
I had just commented to Joya that I thought/hoped that folks could see my heart in my posts on this thread.
Bless you for your kindness.
God’s best to you and yours.
“Where is the public accounting? Where are these supposed new servers we keep hearing about? Do you know that Dell PowerEdge enterprise-class servers (to use one example) are cheap? You can buy rack-type servers for as low as $599, tower-type servers for $399, and blade servers for $1034. Dell’s high-end servers start at $4360. In other words, about $10,000 to $15,000 will buy two top-of-the-line servers. So where are they?”
Well, given that and:
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I’m starting to wonder where my money goes.
You don’t know me. You don’t know anything about me. What gave you the impression that I can zot anyone?
I’m trying to zot? That is so ridiculous that I question your ability to think. Those who can zot do not “try,” they simply zot. We who cannot zot, cannot zot, QED.
Conservatism is what it is. You don’t define it either. Although you do not, I know Conservatism when I see it.
I actually go back to 1997, but whatever. And the only thing that's a disgrace is begging for $94,000 a calendar quarter while treating the very people who are ponying up that money like less than dirt.
Your hatred speaks volumes, and your fear of the truth puts a vampire's fear of the sun to shame.
Scripture speaks of that sort of mentality taking root among Christians . . . biting and devouring one another.
It Never turns out well.
You won't find out from him.
For further information see “Radicalism of the American Revolution” by Gordon Wood.
No one here has ever argued that our greatest president since Washington was a deity.
But you are trying to use him in negative way to push the man who despised Reagan, who is the anti-Reagan, who wouldn’t even vote for Reagan.
Romney did not vote for President Reagan he would not even register republican and was from a famously liberal republican family, he bragged that his mother ran as a pro-abortion Senate candidate, his father was the anti-war presidential candidate in 1968. Romney eventually started devoting all of his donations and fund raising solely to Democrat candidates, and voted for Tsongas in 1992. Following that time, even after he RE-REGISTERED REPUBLICAN TO ENTER MASSACHUSETTS POLITICS Romney campaigned as the anti-Reagan, the anti-Jesse Helms types, against the Contract with America, and was fund raising for Planned Parenthood. Romney was rabidly pro-gay, and antigun.
Romney is a dedicated lifelong, anti-conservative, he and his anti-war, presidential candidate father stormed off the convention floor at the 1964 Republican convention IN PROTEST AGAINST GOLDWATERS NOMINATION. For years Romney was one of Americas most vocal, passionately pro-abortion politicians, explaining that his entire family had become dedicatedly pro-abortion in 1963.
Changing or massaging an issue or two is totally different than at age 59 in preparation to run in a different election, suddenly reversing ALL of your lifelong political positions, try to imagine any politician pulling off that trick or being in a position to need to do it to run to LEAD his chosen party.
Tooooooo true, sadly.
Pragmatism is the key. A Conservative without it becomes a footnote. A Conservative with it has books written about them.
The owner has simply said that the conservative Free Republic will not be used as a campaign vehicle for a liberal. If you used it as such, you got your $20 worth.
No one doubts your dedication. At least I don’t. And I don’t think you make any money here.
That’s not what we’re upset about. Just read the posts.
How can we enter a presidential campaign against the worst president ever who’s already promised to do even more damage if re-elected, if we can’t support his opponent.
It’s just ridiculous. These pie in the sky battles should have been started long before the primary process. It’s too late now.
Writing in somebody, voting 3rd party, it’s just voting for Obama. I won’t vote for Obama.
Ignoring the point of the post, I see.
And a fine regards to you, also. I am not a "he."
As for being from "another site," there are over 600 billion websites, with the number growing exponentially almost daily. I enjoy numerous sites, some political, some about music, some social networking, etc. Am I to assume from your comment that people who visit FR are only to come to this website and no other?
Oh, and what exactly is an "anti-Freeper?" Seems to me you haters who attack anyone who doesn't comport with your worldview -- and apparently your web view -- are more "anti-Freeper" than anyone else ever thought of being. You're killing this website. But hey, knock yourself out. A body's gotta do what a body's gotta do.
Not pragmatic enough to get Mitt Romney to vote for him, or to not reject republican registration during Reagan's presidency, in 1989 Romney started fund raising for democrats.
After writing the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson decided to rewrite the Bible, portraying Jesus as an Enlightenment figure.
Radical, to say the least.
LOL about the Olive Garden. :)
I plan to hitch my hopes on all the true Conservatives down ticket plus a few amendment issues, i.e.; Gay Marriage. If, and I DO mean if, Romney is the nominee after all the primaries are done and the "people" have spoken, I will probably have to hold my nose yet again and vote for him. The thought of four more years of the Obamanation is sickening. A strong Conservative House and stronger Senate can keep whatever big ideas Romney may have in check and then we can look to 2016 to drive home the truth that Conservatives are tired of being treated as the red-headed step children of the Republican Party and start VERY early to put one of our own into the highest office. Until then, I do not plan on sending the GOP one red cent! Free Republic, on the other hand, will always get my support.
I don’t know about you but I have actually changed peoples minds about things by debating them on this very site. Many of them in fact. Some of those debates were polite. others less so but either is FAR superior than the constant preaching to the choir that goes on here today IMHO.
Those who choose to vote for other then Romney or Obama have not wasted there vote as some would assume. They hold to Principle that neither of these candidates are qualified to fill
Always Vote for Principle,....though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere.”
Thomas Jefferson, Author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd President of the U. S.
If an election is to be determined by a majority of a single vote,.... and that can be procured by ‘a party’ through artifice or corruption,... the Government may be the choice of a party for ‘its own ends’,.. not of the nation for the national good.”...(that would be the GOP.)
John Adams (1797-1801) Second President of the United States and Patriot
Yeah that...nor real conservativism neither!
Nah. You just didn't like the answer.
You aren't the owner. You are not responsible for lawsuits, maintenance, taxes, administration nor the creation of the site. Posters donate to keep FR running. You are not buying shares.
I’ll bet you called other people bots.
Like Perrybots, etc.
Advice to you: It’s tacky.
Classic case of projection, there, Wolfstar.
You know the truth about the equipment being ordered.If you can get the equipment so much cheaper, why don't you offer to do so and install it.
The truth is, you have some kind of personal beef with the owner here,and so, you engage in personal attacks of the lowest order.
So, again, for the third time, why are you still here?
Please define a romneybot so we are all really clear. I'm pretty sure it is exactly this kind of slur that many people are getting sick of. Is Sarah Palin who is ABO and will be voting for Mitt, a romneybot? How about Newt, Santorum, Cain, Perry, Cheney? All romneybots? Is Jim Demint a romneybot? Is Tom Coburn a romneybot? Are the 90-95% of conservatives/Republicans that are going to vote for Willard all romneybots? Is everyone that recognizes that only a vote for the GOP nominee can help defeat the dog eater a romneybot?
Some of you people, particular the more obnoxious ones, throw that term around as if we all love and are thrilled with Romney. Very few people on FR actually wanted Romney and most still really don't like him. The reality is Willard is the nominee though, and for many/most of us it is simply about defeating Obama. Very few people are singing Romney's praises here, but I think most recognize Mitt is the only vehicle available to dump Obama.
What’s killing the website is wolves in sheeps clothing, listening to hatred and anger on another site, and believing it. When I see the kinds of misinformation that you posted, I know exactly where it came from. You’ve been here long enough that you should know better.
Would PBS, Red Cross, or Salvation Army exist if they drove off their donors?
No, they wouldn’t. They recognize the value of their donors and adjust to meet their donors expectations.
Therefore, there is an explicit recognition by those organizations that they exist at the sufferance of their donors.
The Free Republic could use a little bit of that.
Very true, in politics and in life.
Oh, yes. So Right. I’ve never been one to call abuse but some of the posters on the Perry threads were so NASTY, believe me, sexual innuendos, lies about Perry’s stand on immigration, it was horrible.
I was amazed that it was tolerated.
I am not talking posts that argued against Perry about actual positions or things he had done or not done.
These were all just odious, repetitive hate posts.
Started (in my opinion) by Cain lovers and allowed because the site was officially Cain lover at that time.
It signaled the death of civility here for me.
I assume you are right.
I do not follow such threads much at all because I see the whole political charade and farce re the SElection to be absurdly false.
I no longer believe that any of our votes make a microscopic bit of difference. I don’t believe they have for a very long time.
It is all psych-ops manipulation by the power brokers as well as rigged corrupt vote counting etc. etc. etc.
I think the oligarchy are masters at getting us to fight among ourselves on things that do NOT MAKE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE.
Personally, I think getting OThuga out of office is a higher priority than his fraternal twin Mitt Marxist Romney’s ALMOST equal evils.
And, it APPEARS that the oligarchy has decided to install Mitt next. Or, perhaps they are watching to see how the populace is manipulated successfully and then will decide at the last minute which to install this Nov.
I’m just 100% convinced that our votes do NOT decide ANY of the major SElections at all.
So, all the Romney etc. stuff to me personally is just meaningless blather at MOST levels.
Nevertheless, a LOT OF HONORABLE, TRULY CONSERVATIVE FREEPERS have been unnecessarily hurt by a lot of that blather. That GRIEVES ME A LOT.
We don’t need that. FR doesn’t need that. The Republic doesn’t need that. There’s no benefit to our cause from that.
People can speak their convictions without shredding someone’s personhood.
IF conservatives cannot do so, then we are like Christians blathering the Bible without walking the walk.
We can disagree without being disagreeable. Or, I thought we could.
The more FR seems like a romper room for 2 year olds throwing 2 year tantrums and epithets at one another for silly reasons . . . the more people HAVE to wonder why they bother with it.
LOL, for some reason I can imagine you choking kittens to death with one hand, as you type about freerepublic with the other, in a quietly hateful rage that you find erotic.
You have a style that seems reminiscent of the old Giuliani days here when the anti-God crowd was so vocal.
Meant to ping you to post 1285 also.
You don't own it. You didn't create it. You have none of the responsibility.
Sooner or later folks reap what they have sown.
Some folks wear it better than others.
I just hope we all learn from our own flaws as well as those of others. LOL.
You know I greatly agree with you, Dear Heart.
I think my only exposure to you, that I can recall, is you pushing Romney in every which way you can.
I have no clue if what you just typed is true or not....however, WITHOUT A SCANNED AND POSTED COPY of such...it is hearsay, libel even...by someone who is disgruntled. (you)
So...prove to me what you posted is the truth.
Quite frankly, it was beyond tacky, imho.
Pissed off and banned people don’t donate.