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Thinking Can Undermine Religious Faith, Study Finds
LA Times ^ | April 27, 2012 | Amina Khan

Posted on 04/26/2012 7:47:20 PM PDT by lbryce

Scientists have revealed one of the reasons why some folks are less religious than others: They think more analytically, rather than going with their gut. And thinking analytically can cause religious belief to wane — for skeptics and true believers alike.

The study, published in Friday's edition of the journal Science, indicates that belief may be a more malleable feature of the human psyche than those of strong faith may think.

The cognitive origins of belief — and disbelief — traditionally haven't been explored with academic rigor, said lead author Will Gervais, a social psychologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agnostic; athesim; god; religion
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To: lbryce
You have to read the whole article to see just how "rigorous" this particular experiment is. I quote the following paragraph verbatim so no one will accuse me of taking the details out of context:

First, students were randomly assigned to look at images of Auguste Rodin's sculpture "The Thinker," or of the ancient Greek statue of a discus thrower, "Discobolus." Those who viewed "The Thinker" were prompted to think more analytically and expressed less belief in God — they scored an average of 41.42 on a 100-point scale, compared with an average of 61.55 for the group that viewed the discus thrower, according to the study.

Clearly sports make you religious. Or something. Anyone who takes this sort of thing seriously instead of giving it the belly-laugh it deserves is only hurting himself.

21 posted on 04/26/2012 8:20:12 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: lbryce

I believe this is just rationalization.

There are plenty of great scientific, musical and historical minds and they all had no trouble in believing in God. In fact if anything what the created/discovered in their respective fields just strengthened their belief in a rational, orderly Creator God.

People today rationalize everything in order to do whatever they want. Rationalization is the 2nd greatest human drive.


22 posted on 04/26/2012 8:20:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: lbryce
How did God emerge out of nothingness?

I'll take the mystery of an uncreated God over the absurdity of an uncreated universe any day of the week.

23 posted on 04/26/2012 8:20:31 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: lbryce

Hmmm, yes of course you are correct. Matter and energy began from nothing...not to mention life. Wonder why evolution, or is it “mother nature” who is your god...made two sexes, pretty inefficient isn’t it?

Not only does man figure out that there is a higher power in every civilization, but God actually makes himself known to us very clearly, but we do have to open our eyes and contemplate (that is think...for you atheists) about things a bit. Did you know that the concept of fairness is inside all of us? Where does that come from? Hmmm, where does thought itself originate that gives us the ability to put a string of letters together to create words and then a string of those words together to create a coherent sentence???

Oh well, I am tired of “thinking” time to go pray for the lost souls whom do not believe in God...they truly are sad and pitiful folks.


24 posted on 04/26/2012 8:21:51 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: lbryce

actually the reverse is true. a more ridiculous assertion, completely ignorant of the history of science, could hardly be imagined.

the greatest scientists and thinkers ever born, people like boyle, faraday, newton, einstein, and i could go on and on described their work as attempts to discover the mind of God.


25 posted on 04/26/2012 8:22:13 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Yashcheritsiy
If this is true, then how come pretty much every atheist I’ve ever met was an atheist of the “my kitty died when I was 5 years old, therefore God doesn’t exist” mold?

Because if you are destined to be an atheist God kills your kitty when you are about five and then you simply don't want to face the truth of who killed your kitty.

Or maybe not...

26 posted on 04/26/2012 8:22:13 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: lbryce

How did time, space, and matter emerge out of nothingness? Riddle me that mr science guy. Once you have an answer, so will I.


27 posted on 04/26/2012 8:25:01 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well, that’s the thing about people. Two people can go through the same traumatic event, and one person winds up saying “there is no God” and the other winds up finding God.

There are people who did find God going through the holocaust. There are soldiers who liberated those camps who found God through those experiences. Same with 9-11.


28 posted on 04/26/2012 8:25:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: lbryce

The sense I get from this piece is reminiscent of the way they wanted to use Einstein’s theory of relativity for undermining moral absolutes.


29 posted on 04/26/2012 8:26:29 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: lbryce
If I look at this logically, I see only three options: the universe is eternal, which according the the mathematics of eternity it is not, there is something greater than the universe which is eternal that brought forth the universe, or the universe itself sprung out of nothingness. This really boils down to one option: there has to be an uncaused cause (cause and effect).
30 posted on 04/26/2012 8:26:49 PM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: lbryce
I had my own problems with some 'church people' that didn't like the questions that I asked. I was always in trouble over that kind of thing when I was a kid.

I had to work through my questions myself. I believe that God guided me.

I don't have all the answers. I do know what I believe. And I do know what I've experienced in a near-death event.

Humans want answers to specific questions. I understand that. And some questions, humans just can't answer.

/johnny

31 posted on 04/26/2012 8:28:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: lbryce
I should have included to say that science does by no means pretend to have all the answers

What a bunch of horse hockey. Scientists are pretending to have all the answers provided by science, all the time.

To scoff at questions of where the Universe came from, how does something emerge out of nothing, is easily applied to God. Where did God come from? How did God emerge out of nothingness??

And if you get those answered, then what?

What would change in your life if you had answers to those questions?

Nobody is scoffing at the questions. What is being scoffed at though, is the hypocrisy of demanding answers for those posed about God and being willing to give science a pass for not being able to answer them when it comes to the universe and singularity.

Double standards generally tend to be scoffed at.

Science scoffs at angels and demons and replaces it with ET's.

Science scoffs at heaven and hell and offers up in their place, multiple dimensions and alternate universes.

All scientists do is remove God and believe the same thing they condemn when God is part of the equation.

32 posted on 04/26/2012 8:28:20 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Billthedrill
And this one too:

To find out, his research team had college students perform three thinking tasks, each with an intuitive (incorrect) answer and an analytic (correct) answer.

For example, students were asked this question: "A bat and a ball cost $1.10 in total. The bat costs $1.00 more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?" The intuitive answer — 10 cents — would be wrong. A little math on the fly reveals that the correct answer would be 5 cents.

33 posted on 04/26/2012 8:29:57 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: lbryce

Things of the spirit can not be understood in the flesh. The deeper my observations of the complexities of what we can see and measure become, the clearer the logic of God becomes to me.


34 posted on 04/26/2012 8:30:08 PM PDT by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: lbryce

“The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.” Proverbs 9:10


35 posted on 04/26/2012 8:30:13 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: lbryce

Sometimes a deity is the derivative of intellegence or imagination. Christianity OTH is an unsought for encounter with a a someone who is more and other than his own intellect.


36 posted on 04/26/2012 8:30:24 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: metmom

I disagree. Science does not scoff at god. SOME scientists do, but science does not.


37 posted on 04/26/2012 8:31:50 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: lbryce
Well, this is a theory, and one based on certain assumptions about both religion and science. regarding Judaism, Christianity and Islam, the way that God was know to exist came through revelation, not by metaphysical reflection. As an elegant solution, maybe the God of the philosophers, as Pascal described them, but for him and for people of faith, the God of Abraham and Issac and Jacob is something else.

Polytheism does not in fact give us the idea of a Creator, but only of a myriad of contending forces, pushing mankind from pillar to post. The God of Abraham enters history as a compelling voice that guides a single man and his family for many years and leads them to Egypt and then out of it, revealing himself more powerful than all the gods of the great civilization of Egypt, including with the god-king of Egypt. Israel, the first born of the Lord is freed through the destruction of the First-born of Pharoah. Then he makes covenant with Israel as he has made covenant with Abraham. Like Plato, but by a very different process, Israel comes to believe, through a process of rejection of the many gods, to believe in one. Josephus was convinced that Plato was familiar with Moses.

Modernists like Jews and Christians, note how Judaism and Platonism came together, Jerusalem and Athens, faith and reason, came together in Judaism and Christianity. But while Christianity saw Platonism, or neo-Platonism as kindred in Spirit, yet the Christians were careful to avoid the Platonists tight embrace. For Christianity is rooted in concrete experience not the abstract. What it did provide was the kind of certainly that the world really means something, that it was an intelligent and knowable things, however confusing and unintlelligibe it might seem at times. It was on this foundation that modern science was built, avoiding the skepticism that kept the Greeks from pulling it altogether, even though they had all the elements of physics sand math they needed.

38 posted on 04/26/2012 8:32:20 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: lbryce

Ridiculous. One would think that JP II and Benedict XVI were/are stupid men who could not read or write. Or how about Thomas Aquinas or St. Augustine? Were they not thinkers either?


39 posted on 04/26/2012 8:32:47 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: All
Those that are believers on this thread, and are attacking an unbeliever for unbelief might want to consider how well you are doing at being a witness for Christ.

Do you guide them with your experience, or do you drive them off with scoffing?

/johnny

40 posted on 04/26/2012 8:34:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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