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Rove: Obama has the electoral college lead ( Go RINO Go ! )
http://www.politico.com ^ | April 26 2012 | By BYRON TAU

Posted on 04/26/2012 4:06:07 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

Republican strategist Karl Rove gives Obama the advantage in his first Electoral College Map polling memo

Top line math: that's 284 "safe" or "lean" Obama, versus 157 "safe" or "lean" Romney states.

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To: Artcore

Primaries are squirrelly things with their pitiful turnouts. Activism, astroturfing, etc. has an outsize influence with them, that is less in a general election with higher turnout.

Nontheless, primaries are how candidates are picked today. Something more ideal would be, perhaps, for every registered voter to a party to get a mailed primary ballot to make it very easy to respond. And no cross party primaries.


101 posted on 04/26/2012 7:10:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: muawiyah

It would be difficult for Mitt Romney to do anything now that 80% of Obama hating Americans would really care about.


102 posted on 04/26/2012 7:12:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Nontheless, primaries are how candidates are picked today. Something more ideal would be, perhaps, for every registered voter to a party to get a mailed primary ballot to make it very easy to respond. And no cross party primaries.”
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Excellent observation!


103 posted on 04/26/2012 7:12:58 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: plain talk

Well actually you can’t blame this one on the RNC, Rove or some convenient whipping boy.

I most definitely will blame it on the RNC. Romney’s vast millions to obliterate his opponents in the primaries came from back door fundraising for seven years with the help and blessing of the RNC.
The fix was in for Mittens as the heir apparent...and those of us who were silly enough to think that the voters might have wanted a Conservative for a nominee had to be silenced and told to go back of the bus...by none other than the
GOP-E.


104 posted on 04/26/2012 7:12:58 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (We not not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Native American P.)
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To: DannyTN

Thereby leveraging in the candidate who is the worse in that area... good job.


105 posted on 04/26/2012 7:13:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: DannyTN

What President was Franklin Graham talking about as being a “nice guy?


106 posted on 04/26/2012 7:13:43 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
The problem you have is that you imagine this was a normal primary season ~ but it wasn't.

Romney and his crowd were found cheating all too many times for any of them to be trusted. PLUS we have record low turnouts. If the choices presented by the candidates are too narrow no one is showing up to vote FOR Romney. He's already lost the party base. We are doomed with him at the top of the list.

You are personally responsible for this and you will need to get him to drop out of the race.

107 posted on 04/26/2012 7:14:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

FWIW, general polls (which aren’t affected by squirrelly turnout factors) show Romney beginning to pull ahead of Obama, or maybe that should be Obama beginning to fall behind Romney. Romney is appearing to begin to suffice as the “ham sandwich” that most Obama haters would choose. Not ideal — so don’t even think about pulling out that straw man — but functional. The overwhelming factor in November will be Obama hate.


108 posted on 04/26/2012 7:20:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Paleo Conservative; dewawi; Para-Ord.45; HiTech RedNeck; chessplayer; dfwgator; GOP Poet; ...

Someone posted: “It will be a shame if a few hard core anti-Romney voters stay home and end up giving us 4 more years of Obama.”

To which you replied: “What makes you think Obama would stop at just 4 more years? If the Democrats don’t mind bending the “natural born citizen” constitutional requirement, why not ignore the 22nd amendment too?”

I see the obvious answer as “anyone who thinks that the president is doing what is necessary to overcome an obstructive and irrelevant congress uses Executive Orders to bypass congress; appoints czars to rule over cabinet secretaries; who gives his ideological syncophants who use regulatory agencies to promulgate regulations that are the same or more power-grabbing than the Pelosi - Reed Congress actually refused to pass would “ignore the 22nd amend too?” Other than those few people, everyone knows that BHO is as pure as the wind driven snow and is beyond corruption and is also alleged to be a ‘constitutional scholar.’ Although I’m wondering what country’s constitution he is so knowledgable of, because it does not seem to be the one passed in 1787 that is the basis of the representative republic formerly known as the United States of America.


109 posted on 04/26/2012 7:21:01 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Paleo Conservative

He won’t, because the Wicked Witch from Illinois will be running in 2016. So lets trash our guy, who has a good chance to win now, so maybe we can get the perfect candidate in 2024. And remember, a lot of us will not be around any longer.


110 posted on 04/26/2012 7:21:44 PM PDT by gusty
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To: HiTech RedNeck
MItt could drop out of the race.

That'd be a first step towards being helpful.

The two sides are always fairly evenly matched. This race is different though ~ both Romney and Obama have a large number of potential voters who do not support either one of them and would feel disgust about casting a vote for either one.

The only question is how many of them will act on moral principles and/or self-interest and NOT vote for either one.

It is possible we could get a Constitutional majority in the House and the Senate and watch Romney go down to defeat.

Obviously the Constitution would give us the prerogative of removing the President and putting our own guy in ~ just like a parliament selecting a new Prime Minister, so that wouldn't be a Constitutional catastrophe.

But MItt can end all that speculation now by dropping out and leaving it to Republicans to select their own candidates. We really don't need his kind.

111 posted on 04/26/2012 7:22:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You clearly overvalue Romney. So far he’s brought nothing of interest to the race.


112 posted on 04/26/2012 7:24:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

All Mitt has to do is not bring the gaping holes that Obama has brought. Mushy moderate positions on jobs, for example, look like heaven compared to Obama’s willful sabotage. That suffices to get America’s deciding vote even if mu never would.


113 posted on 04/26/2012 7:27:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: DrewsMum

And we wished real hard and tapped our shoes together real hard and the whole world sang in perfect harmony. Come on man, grow up.


114 posted on 04/26/2012 7:27:59 PM PDT by gusty
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To: muawiyah

You dream.


115 posted on 04/26/2012 7:28:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Your boy dooms us.


116 posted on 04/26/2012 7:29:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Thereby leveraging in the candidate who is the worse in that area... good job.

It looks too close to call to me. Both major politial candidates are horrible when it comes to supporting sodomy and abortion. I'm not voting for either. I'm voting for Goode.

Here's Goode's position from Feb 24, 2004...

"Issue Position: Marriage
I believe that marriage should be a union between a man and a woman. I am opposed to gay marriages and so-called gay civil unions. I support the federal Marriage Protection Amendment."

117 posted on 04/26/2012 7:30:38 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: All

Congratulations RINO GOP
You picked a NE Statist now you`re stuck with him.

You thought you purged and were victorious over Classical Liberals ?

Who will laugh last?


Don’t forget, Romney is both Soros and Jimmah Carter approved...

OP-ED: LET ME COUNT THE WAYS

Five reasons why a Romney loss might be great news for Republicans

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/04/26/042612-opinions-column-5-reasons-dalmia-1-3/


118 posted on 04/26/2012 7:30:44 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HCUA)...before there is no America!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

“What makes you think Obama would stop at just 4 more years? If the Democrats don’t mind bending the “natural born citizen” constitutional requirement, why not ignore the 22nd amendment too?”

*BOOGABOOGA!!* Zero’s gonna stage a coup if you don’t vote for Romney!!! BOOOGAAA!!*

This might work better on the Halloween before the election, you know.


119 posted on 04/26/2012 7:30:43 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: DannyTN

You cannot escape the leveraging tendency. Put that in your conscience towards God and smoke it.


120 posted on 04/26/2012 7:33:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: DannyTN

Get this logic. Perot who was loudly and proudly pro-choice in 1992 and 1996 is declared a true conservative, while Romney who changed his public position from pro-choice to pro-life before he ran in 2008 is not. Perot ran to the left of Bush I. Perot aped the positions of true RINOs like Rudman and Weicker. He got enough of the idiot vote to hand the election to Clinton.


121 posted on 04/26/2012 7:33:53 PM PDT by gusty
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To: traditional1

Yeah.

Rather that than living under a communist muslim homosexual tyrant.

Now take your toys and go home while you still have one waah waah waah.


122 posted on 04/26/2012 7:34:24 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Five reasons why you can find a silver lining in the heaviest cloud, so go right ahead and do nothing about the heaviest cloud.


123 posted on 04/26/2012 7:35:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’ll have a clean conscience having voted for Goode.


124 posted on 04/26/2012 7:36:43 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: muawiyah

Not as much as drawing more votes to your boy.


125 posted on 04/26/2012 7:36:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: DrewsMum
"if everyone who holds their nose and votes Romney would vote 3rd party, Obama AND Romney could be defeated.... Especially if all the nose holders joined the brave patriots and donated and CAMPAIGNED 3rd party."

In 1994, several members told a reporter for the LA Weekly that they would all be departing. They were going to walk out to the Santa Monica pier and catch a ride into space.

Why does this remind me of the Third Partiers? Well, read on.

This group thought that hidden in the trail of the comet Hal-Bopp was a mother ship. It was coming to pick up those who hoped for the impossible: transportation aboard the mother ship--a "Beam me up, Scotty!"

But that did not take place, and in October of ‘96, they went to southern California and rented a large seven-bedroom house in the wealthy community of Rancho Santa Fe, north of San Diego, at 18241 Colina Norte. They called the place, "the Monestary" and became known for their Web design business, "The Higher Source."

On Friday night, March 21, 1997, the members went to a chain restaurant called Marie Callender's, where they ordered 39 identical meals of salad and pot pies, and finished off with cheesecake. This was to be their final earthly meal, because the next day, the comet Hal-Bopp would be in its closest proximity to Earth. We all know what happened next for the group called the Heaven's Gate. Their impossible dream ended in suicide. And hoping for a Third Party presidential victory is equally an impossible dream which will end up in suicide for this nation. Guaranteed.

To make a Third Party victory possible requires years of preparation, organization, money solicitation and effort beyond just taking a walk down the Santa Monica Pier or drinking some Kool Aid. It takes work beyond your wildest imagination and patriots on the level of our Founders. For those who have musings for a Third Party, the moral of the story is, it is indeed an impossible dream.

126 posted on 04/26/2012 7:37:51 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: DannyTN

So you claim to us, but God will ruthlessly show you the arithmetic.


127 posted on 04/26/2012 7:37:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: DannyTN

And the rest of us will have Obama on our backs.


128 posted on 04/26/2012 7:38:18 PM PDT by gusty
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To: ScottinVA

Scary isn’t it..that more and more people rather get freebies then actually have to WORK for it..more people are on food stamps then anytime in our history. This is what Obama and his cronies want, more people relying on Government assistance so they will be slaves to the Govt


129 posted on 04/26/2012 7:41:10 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: jonrick46

So that’s why i saw a guy with a Goode for President button buying the same style sneakers in bulk.


130 posted on 04/26/2012 7:41:54 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Romney actually contributed funds to Democrats to run for office.

That's just not right.

131 posted on 04/26/2012 7:45:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tau Food

Is reassuring Obama’s re-election the best scenario for the USA?

Voting is a civic duty is it not? How does throwing a tantrum and taking your ball and going home because you didn’t get your way beneficial to the country? I thought that part of being an adult or a good citizen was sometimes having to make decisions out of less than perfect options.

Yes, I have heard all of the arguments. NO MORE!! blah, blah blah. Or the better one, someone like Newt or Romney will make things worse and then it will get blamed on the GOP.

Those are all strawman arguments. One, I do not think that Romney could be worse than Zero. I definitely don’t support him. But if given the choice between him and Zero, I choose Romney. At least with him there is a snowball’s chance of getting something done to fix this mess, even more so with a GOP House and Senate. With Zero, there is no chance, no matter who controls the House and Senate. Not to mention the fact the we WILL lose the SCOTUS for a generation or two. And we know that Romney is a US citizen and does not hate this country.

Obviously, we all need to support our candidate in the primaries. But in the general election, we MUST be rid of Obama. If not, we can all pat ourselves on the back and gloat about how “principled” we are as the country we love circles the drain.

Besides, I do not know why sitting out the election if the “right” candidate (whatever that is) is not nominated considered the only position of principle. My position is also one of principle, defeat Obama. When I vote against Obama, I will be doing so with just as much principle as the person who withholds their vote because they didn’t get their way.

This is nothing personal towards you, it is just so frustrating to see this sentiment so prevalent on this site. Do you think the average voter thinks this way? They will vote one way or the other. If true blue Conservatives won’t support the GOP candidate, why should they? In the end, politics is the art of the possible.

You have to hand it to liberals and Fabian Socialists for one thing. They understand incrementalism. They seem to be smart enough to understand that in the real world you usually don’t get everything that you want in one fell swoop. Why can’t Conservatives understand this?


132 posted on 04/26/2012 7:46:55 PM PDT by BizBroker (Democrats- Don't want 'em, Don't need 'em, Can't use 'em, Couldn't afford 'em if I did!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Out of the ten people who signed up with the RNC to run as official candidates under the Republican label the only ones who'd had a lifetime of participating in the Republican party were Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Herman Caine.

I supported all three of them. I did not support the other 7 who were all arguably RINOs or not even Republicans.

So, which one of my boys is it you don't like?

You always do this you know ~ accuse anybody you are debating of being a commie or a democrat or something ~ YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN.

Now, does JR know you are openly campaigning for Romney again?

133 posted on 04/26/2012 7:51:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
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You err, Sir, in your obervation about "Candidate Romney" bringing "nothing of interest" to this 2012 election cycle ...


I for one, want to know "everything" about the Celestial Planet Kolob ...


And if I ever get with speaking distance of Archbishop Willard, that is "precisely" what I will querry him about ...

Unless, of course, George Stephanopulous beats me to it ... during a Romney presidential debate with Obama ...

In that scenario, perhaps President Bush-41 or Rush Limbaugh could jump in and help Mittens out of that SEVERELY "tough spot" ...

.
134 posted on 04/26/2012 7:54:35 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: muawiyah

Oh, please feel free to tattle on me and any other folks who say the wisest thing in November is to give Romney the nod (if he makes it to the candidacy and your dream isn’t fulfilled). Please do. Beg them to ban me for saying that Mitt Romney is not as horrible as Barack Obama.

You and a bunch of echo chambers will have FR all to yourselves along with Jim Rob. I’ll be gone and about half the others too, I’ll be sad about what happened to it. And you’ll find me on Townhall.


135 posted on 04/26/2012 8:02:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: jonrick46
The way it's done is you form a coalition partner with the Democrats or Republicans, and then grow your coalition until you take over the party machinery.

The commies did that with the Democrats and now run that party.

The math behind winning in a single member district (50%+1) is what inhibits the development of meaningful third parties in the United States. This is why all of our political, cultural and economic coalitions are put together prior to running candidates. Some folks call this a 'two party' system, but it's really just a naturally occurring bi-modal saddle of political interest.

You can put together a ruling coalition in a lot less time than 10 years ~ LBJ picked off the remaining African-American voters from the Republican column in 1964. Richard NIxon picked off the Southern white voters from the Democrat column in 1968 and 1972. Then, Ronald Reagan pulled in about half the Catholic coalition in his 1980 run, and made that deal permanent in 1984 ~

Bill Clinton did a permutation of the game by letting Perot split the Conservative vote in 1992 and 1996. In 2000 the Republican party was able to reassert itself "Presidentially". Obama pulled in the yout' vote in 2008 but he's lost it.

At the moment the yout' vote is in play. As I pointed out months ago Romney, a retired, wealthy BOSS (well known for firing people) probably doesn't have much attraction to yout', but Gingrich, a former college professor, probably does ~ particularly the part where he was the only guy in the last century to actually balance a federal budget for long.

Romney's big draw is among the blue hairs with the industrial and municipal bond collections. Actually they've never voted Democrat, so there's no new coalition building going on in that quarter FUR SHUR.

I've noticed in years of pointing out the way elections are won in this country that the Mittbots are the must stubborn about sticking to the old "win the nomination first then dive for the middle" theory. No one ever won an election in the history of America by doing that.

136 posted on 04/26/2012 8:07:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What's with the deal where you are always accusing Conservatives of being commies?

You do that everywhere. Then if not that, that we are soft on Al Sharpton, or whatever. Those are the tales you send off to JIm Rob all the time.

Get a grip on yourself man ~ this is politics.

137 posted on 04/26/2012 8:09:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dfwgator

Tokyo Rove still thinks he can play us all like a fiddle.


138 posted on 04/26/2012 8:11:50 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
Stuffingenvelopes will find it tossed back to him in a query about those famous Greek Orthodox monasteries where women are never permitted.

You'll need a different moderator to get the Kolob question "Lobbed" ~

I"m not sure you could get Wallace to do it without breaking out laughing. It'd just mystify Obama. He's not quite clear on where he's at yet. Is it Egypt ? Is it Java? Morning or evening?

139 posted on 04/26/2012 8:14:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mountain Mary

The fix is in ... blah, blah, blah. Yes the RNC suck and push RINOs like Romney because that is what they do. That’s a given. Agreed.

But in this case there was no “fix” since the RNC did not force Santorum and Gingrich to split the conservative vote. They could have formed a coalition but chose to not do so and thus we watched a slow motion trainwreck. The RNC did not have to do much this time around but watch conservatives flail about and shoot themselves in the foot.

The lesson here is that despite liberals, RINOs and the RNC conservatives must rise above all of it and unite.


140 posted on 04/26/2012 8:17:05 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: BizBroker
The primaries aren't finished and Romney still has a chance to back out of this stupid venture of his.

We do not like him ~ BY THE MILLIONS.

141 posted on 04/26/2012 8:18:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: plain talk

Actually, it’s long overdue for the RINO crowd to back off. I just pointed out to you that the lineup had 7 RINOS AND 3 CONSERVATIVES. How is it that Conservatives are the only ones being accused of splitting the vote?


142 posted on 04/26/2012 8:21:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: plain talk

“RINOs and the RNC conservatives must rise above all of it and unite.”

There is no such thing as an RNC Conservative.

It’s Conservatives vs the Rino RNC. There is a big difference.
Got it?


143 posted on 04/26/2012 8:48:58 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (We not not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Native American P.)
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To: muawiyah
Actually, it’s long overdue for the RINO crowd to back off.

Yeah, right -- Mommy, make em stop!! Conservatives as a group can't change what RINOs do or don't do. No sense whining about it. Conservatives must focus on what we can do and that is to unite around a single conservative candidate. Had that occurred we might have had a shot.

144 posted on 04/26/2012 8:53:15 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Paleo Conservative

“....why not ignore the 22nd amendment too?”

I have daytime nightmares of the year 2020....the year Peggy Noonan and David Frum publish their samizdat tracts: “His Last Election” and “Oh, Those Cursed Trousers”


145 posted on 04/26/2012 8:58:31 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Mountain Mary
You misread my sloppy sentence. I'll attempt to fix it. No love for the RNC here and they are not conservative. That much we can agree on.

The lesson here is that despite liberals, RINOs and the RNC we conservatives must rise above all of it and unite.

146 posted on 04/26/2012 9:07:17 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

Oh I see plain talk.

There was to be a comma after RNC...Now I get it! :-)


147 posted on 04/26/2012 10:04:36 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (We not not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Native American P.)
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To: DannyTN

Goode might be a good guy....but most people don’t know who he is.


148 posted on 04/26/2012 10:45:31 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Revolting cat!

That is the sad truth.


149 posted on 04/26/2012 10:50:19 PM PDT by berdie
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To: gusty

First of all, I’m not a man.

Second, ME grow up? I’m not the insisting on voting for someone just because “everyone else is gonna do it”.... THAT is childish behavior.


150 posted on 04/26/2012 10:58:33 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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