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Is there a drone in your neighbourhood?
The Daily Mail Online ^ | 05:15 EST, 24 April 2012 | Julian Gavaghan

Posted on 04/24/2012 6:23:05 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg

Is there a drone in your neighbourhood? Rise of spy planes exposed after FAA is forced to reveal 63 launch sites across U.S.

Unmanned spy planes are being launched from locations in 20 states and owners include the military and universities.

There are at least 63 active drone sites around the U.S, federal authorities have been forced to reveal following a landmark Freedom of Information lawsuit.

The unmanned planes – some of which may have been designed to kill terror suspects – are being launched from locations in 20 states.

Most of the active drones are deployed from military installations, enforcement agencies and border patrol teams, according to the Federal Aviation Authority.


(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: Grumpybutt

I am not sure I would want to be droning over a grumpybutt anyway.


51 posted on 04/24/2012 8:35:50 AM PDT by goosie
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To: muir_redwoods

University of Connecticut campus. LOL


52 posted on 04/24/2012 8:36:32 AM PDT by McGruff (Voted for Newt today and I feel good.)
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To: Grumpybutt

Hahaha, good one!


53 posted on 04/24/2012 8:37:47 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Hot Tabasco; Strategerist
The FAA plans for the first time allocate part of the domestic skyway to drones

Congress recently passed legislation paving the way for what the FAA predicts will be somewhere in the region of 30,000 drones in operation in US skies by 2020.

Congress recently passed the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, which — along with funding the Federal Aviation Administration's budget through 2015 — encourages the acceleration of unmanned aircraft programs in U.S. airspace.

54 posted on 04/24/2012 8:37:58 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: Mad Dawgg
"24/7 and they would bring back Keith Olbermann for a Special In Depth Show that aired every hour!"

Only if one is carrying his paycheck. Dude has jumped into the shark's mouth...

55 posted on 04/24/2012 8:39:49 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: cornelis
Dude Stratiegie guy told ya its just dem crazy college kids playin with toys.

No worries mate...

56 posted on 04/24/2012 8:42:59 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Strategerist

There is nothing imbecilic or idiotic about commenting on an article and positing reasons why, what you say is perfectly legitimate research, is apparently not being publicly discussed in the domestic press. I’m not convinced you’re right but the subject is worthy of discussion and no one is an idiot or an imbecile for doing so.

You may be unaware but back in the late ‘50’s, UCONN conducted nuclear research and dumped radioactive waste by the roadside in rural Connecticut. Not far from where I live is a vacant lot where a breakfast restaurant and gift store once stood. The remediation team that cleaned up the site tore it down after buying out the owners.

By my nature and experience I do not trust any government, local, state or federal. A state university is an agent of the government and its research in this area may be perfectly reasonable, responsible and benign. UCONN cannot claim to have always acted so.


58 posted on 04/24/2012 9:45:48 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Mad Dawgg

It's OK, I have a rooster to give me a heads up.

59 posted on 04/24/2012 9:50:05 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: muir_redwoods

UCONN-Storrs


60 posted on 04/24/2012 9:51:03 AM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: muir_redwoods

Yes, imagine my son’s surprise as a UCONN student! It is quite an uneasy feeling he has, and I share.


61 posted on 04/24/2012 9:53:11 AM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Mine is Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield California. Why do we need these? Who are they afraid of? Joe citizen?


62 posted on 04/24/2012 10:03:01 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: crazydad

They are probably just going to be used to track those lost dogs that have the microchips in them. Of course Big Government would never use them to track its citizens. After all, this is the USA where we are a free people with a constitution to protect us, right?


63 posted on 04/24/2012 10:10:26 AM PDT by Principle Over Politics (Romney 2012 is McCain 2008. No more RINOs! It was good while it lasted, Sarah.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I live in California, one of the most Democratic states of the union. So yes, I’m surrounded by drones. ROFLMAO!


64 posted on 04/24/2012 10:22:47 AM PDT by MissesBush (The Fourth Estate has Become a Fifth Column)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The unmanned planes – some of which may have been designed to kill terror suspects – are being launched from locations in 20 states.

A clear violation of Posse Comitatus.

Why does anybody think the government really cares about violating laws anymore?

65 posted on 04/24/2012 10:37:36 AM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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To: jboot

I’ve heard that you can light matches with that thing.


66 posted on 04/24/2012 10:38:55 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
<> link to program that was in effect in 2006 (during Bush)

http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/7042-uav-research-at-und/

here is a comment from the article ........

I've been aware of USDA drones for at least 10 years here in North Dakota. The Ag Dept wants to be sure farmers are following agreed upon government programs. No one is told that's the game, but if a farmer varies one iota from his ‘contract’’ a government agent arrives within hours to ‘get answers’. We aren't on any programs, but have had these things overhead 24/7 for ten years that I've been aware of them. They don't fly back to their ‘rookery’ every night, either. They are either solar or nuclear powered; extremely stable, very nimble; very aware of any movement on the ground even in the dead of night. They will ‘follow’ a person checking on livestock at 1 am on a moonless night. I don't even need a flashlight to be ‘seen’. Wonderful technology... perfect privacy on 1700 acres with nearest neighbor 5 1/2 miles away on dirt roads! Gosh, do I ever feel safe!? - donna k., Emmons Co., ND, USA, 24/4/2012 17:53

67 posted on 04/24/2012 10:46:33 AM PDT by freedommom
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To: All

Curiosity question for the field: what’s the difference between drone surveillance and helicopter surveillance? For the latter has been happening for decades.

As I was growing up in semi-rural Florida, night-flying helicopters with search lights on them were routine. Later on, they added heat-seeking cameras in the hopes of locating in-home marijuana-growing operations.

This stuff isn’t new... if we’re complaining about losing privacy, searches without warrants, and government monitoring... well, sorry, but that ship has sailed — decades ago.

The only difference now is that it will be easier and cheaper for the feds/police/et al to do it. And the drones aren’t going to alert the entire neighborhood, like a chopper would.

Hey, your house, your address, and more have always been publicly accessible. It took Google Street View to make it creepy and easy for everybody to spy on one another. Drones will just do the same for the Powers That Be. But somebody’s gonna have to convince a judge that it’s wrong despite it having been routine for years.


68 posted on 04/24/2012 10:46:57 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Organizations That Have Sought to Use Drones

Yes, the US press covers this as well. Just the Brits are the A team when it comes to splashing it across the front page.

69 posted on 04/24/2012 11:07:03 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
I did not see the drone location in Montgomery co., Texas. The MC sheriffs office was just plain giddy when they received their DHS grant for the drone.

The boy’z were testing their toy’z and the damn thing crashed into the swat tank.....funny as all get out!!!!

http://www.examiner.com/article/drone-crashes-into-swat-team-tank-during-police-test-near-houston

70 posted on 04/24/2012 11:07:48 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: crazydad
>>Who are they afraid of? Joe citizen?<<

Patriot Act, NDAA, Drones, DHS grants to civilian law enforcement, TSA expansion to highways and bus lines, surveillance cameras installed at every intersection, every roadway and throughout urban areas. Viper units, back scatter x-ray vans....and on and on and on.

I believe Uncle Sugar is gearing up for something...not sure what, but hundreds of millions being spent to monitor U.S. citizens.

71 posted on 04/24/2012 11:18:12 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: RandallFlagg
It'll slice up thin plastics and wires, too. What it does to optical sensors is just plan wrong. And expensive.

One of those stocked up nice with a 3rd or 4th Gen night rifle scope and a good momentary switch will ruin Big Brother Robot's night out. (And yours, too, if Big Brother catches you.) But always remember the first rule of laser gun fighting: never shoot at reflective surfaces. It isn't just for sci-fi novels anymore.

;-)

72 posted on 04/24/2012 11:27:30 AM PDT by jboot
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To: Strategerist; Egon
Imagine my surprise that there is no domestic coverage of this story. The Daily Mail comes through again.

FR, as usual, says "why isn't this being covered in the US?" Perhaps it is, and the poster just didn't do an exhaustive check, because he knows the Guardian likes to ferret out stuff like this. EFF is obviously the source article for the Guardian report. Maybe the better question is "where can you find this information being hand-fed to the American Public." EFF is not underground, but sources such as EFF and Wired aren't being programmed into the majority of American Homes along with the nightly news.

I can think of a number of legitimate applications for the use of various drones: keeping track of wildlife herd migrations comes to mind, as well as traffic monitoring without the use of more expensive multiple "Eye In The Sky Chopper One" news helecopters.

Also, as Strategerist points out, somebody needs to do the engineering on these useful platforms. Who better than university engineering programs.

However, this new technology, like Google Streetview war-driving and a Google/Federal Government data nexus, needs to be watched for abuses. Emerging technology is always a frontier (in the Wild West sense).

73 posted on 04/24/2012 12:26:16 PM PDT by RhoTheta ("We're from the Government, and we're here to help you ... NOT")
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To: crazydad
Relax, Dick Cheney and some political drones went duck hunting......0bama and his military drones are dog hunting.

_residential golfing is hungry work. (yes I did highjack a thread about drones to bring up 0bama eats dogs)

74 posted on 04/24/2012 12:43:41 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Mad Dawgg

As an OU grad, I appreciate the harvest time joke. Meigs County Gold.


75 posted on 04/24/2012 12:44:14 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: servantboy777

I know this will sound conspiritorial. But I have been reading about Planet X coming back this year. I know I know sounds kookoo but with all the earth changes and the earthquakes and crazy weather I truly believe that could possibly what they are gearing up for. Some web sites speculate it might be a pole shift and that will cause mass devestation to the world. Earthquakes, volcanos. Shifting of the tectonic plates. Millions of dead around the world and in the USA. FEMA camps and plastic coffins around the country, now drones all over, the question is “what are they truly expecting”? OK flame away.


76 posted on 04/24/2012 12:48:30 PM PDT by crazydad
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77 posted on 04/24/2012 1:21:34 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: Mad Dawgg

That sword cuts both ways:

Video: Civilian UAV Films Polish Riots From Above
http://defensetech.org/2011/11/16/video-civilian-uav-films-polish-riots-from-above/#ixzz1szp5AkBS
Defense.org

private drone over neighborhood provides aerial eye in sky (Video)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=728_1333434244

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV): How and when will civilian UAVs change the world?
http://www.quora.com/Unmanned-Aerial-Vehicles-UAV/How-and-when-will-civilian-UAVs-change-the-world

Parrot AR.Drone Quadricopter Controlled by iPhone, iPad, Android Devices
https://www.blinq.com/#computers-networking/ipad-tablet-ereader-accs/parrot-ar-drone-quadricopter-controlled-by-iphone-ipad-android-devices/58452?source=googleps

Draganflyer X6
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78 posted on 04/24/2012 2:40:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Mad Dawgg
I see at least one site that was missed - Cannon AFB in Clovis, NM. Seen 'em. Know people who fly 'em.

The capabilities of these aircraft are grossly underestimated.

79 posted on 04/24/2012 4:17:43 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: conservativebuckeye
"As an OU grad, I appreciate the harvest time joke. Meigs County Gold."

Years ago my family was part of the National Hikers and Campers association. Each year they have a national campvention. Thousands of people from all over the USA and Canada and Mexico hook up their Camping trailers or load up the motor homes and head to a selected site usually a large state fairgrounds. In 1979n they settled on a site in Ontario Canada.

I loved these get events as a kid you would get a few friends and walk around the grounds and meet people from all over the country. Tradition was you'd walk up to people and shake hands and say your name and the State (or province) you were from.

My group of friends would always say "We're from Southern Ohio." the First group of people we met in Ontario replied 'Southern Ohio? Meigs County Ohio? You got any to sell?

We all laughed about it and talked abit and then moved on to the next group. Again: "Southern Ohio? Meigs County? Oh man that is the best stuff I ever had."

Didn't matter if we met people from West Virginia or California or Old Mexico Everybody knew about Meigs county!

80 posted on 04/24/2012 4:39:01 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

There isn’t one over Indiana. Darn it! I so much wanted to display my Ackroyd for them while working in my forbidden garden.


81 posted on 04/24/2012 4:44:30 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Mad Dawgg

I find the states that have none interesting.

It’s not due to an absence of military installations. It’s not due to low population.

I’m wondering if state law has something to do with it.


82 posted on 04/24/2012 4:59:05 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

“I’m wondering if state law has something to do with it.”

Possibly; perhaps some of our resident legal experts can speak up on this.


83 posted on 04/24/2012 5:54:04 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Mad Dawgg; TigersEye; Fred Nerks; Beckwith

And the feds have a data base from the Census having the GPS location within 60 feet of everyone’s home.They can access that data base surreptitiously and systematically without anyone knowing.

Just how good a rifle shot are you?


84 posted on 04/24/2012 7:20:37 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: CodeToad
"Any article that doesn’t get that simple name right is suspect as being from kooks."

You may think they are kooks but I just read in my local paper here in Kansas about them and there were being used by a town and now since they have changed the FAA rules they can no longer fly them now.

85 posted on 04/24/2012 8:11:12 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Grammar & spelling maybe wrong, get over it, the world will not come to an end!)
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To: sten

At their operational altitudes, drones are invisible and inaudible.


86 posted on 04/24/2012 8:58:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Strategerist

Once upon a time people thought things like no knock raids, armed raids on guitar mfgrs. and oh, I dunno... the justice dept. turning a blind eye to terrorist groups intimidating voters was just ‘crazy talk’ too.

But by all means, have no suspicion. After all, Government is your friend. Especially the current one. Oh and did you hear? This week’s chocolate increased from 5 to 3 oz. this week!


87 posted on 04/25/2012 12:18:05 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: The Great RJ
-- ....soon with a Thought Police monitoring our very thoughts for any dissent.


88 posted on 04/25/2012 2:00:53 AM PDT by QT3.14 (ZerObama: Our first White Black pResident)
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To: crazydad; servantboy777
>> FEMA camps and plastic coffins <<

There's a huge fema detention center in Fredrick, MD. I've seen it, plastic coffins and all. Also, jersey barriers are being ‘staged’ along various interstates around the country. The feds are gearing up for something.

89 posted on 04/25/2012 5:16:42 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: elkfersupper
79 posted on Tue Apr 24 2012 18:17:43 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by elkfersupper: “I see at least one site that was missed - Cannon AFB in Clovis, NM. Seen ‘em. Know people who fly ‘em. The capabilities of these aircraft are grossly underestimated.”

I was wondering why Cannon Air Force Base wasn't on that list but wasn't going to say anything publicly until I saw your comment.

I was once the military reporter for the Clovis News Journal. I have no recent non-public information, but based on what I know was happening a half-decade ago, there may be entirely legitimate OPSEC reasons not to discuss this further on the internet. Let's just say there are reasons Cannon AFB was the only installation to be taken off the last BRAC closure list and not all of them were discussed publicly.

Nice profile photo, by the way. Am I correct in guessing that you share a love for elk hunting with a former Secretary of Defense? Those are beautiful beasts, and make great eating as well.

90 posted on 04/25/2012 5:34:23 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: HiJinx

>And the line about ‘some of which have been designed to kill terrorists’ refers to the fact that Predators carry Hellfires. Doesn’t mean that they do, in the U.S., just that they can.

Considering that, in addition to the President’s assertion that he can order the assassination/killing/murder of a US citizen merely SUSPECTED of terrorism (and not on the battlefield), AND the National Defense Authorization Act, which [IIRC] makes the continental US a war-zone and I think that there is reason for concern.


91 posted on 04/25/2012 8:51:04 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Strategerist
Correct and exactly.

TD&E takes time and space, and there are many builders as they explore the technology. . .from university students, Boy Scouts, to military testing. Those make up the majority of sites. I guess we could just built them and sell them to the military and never test them.

Armed UAV’s are not flying willy-nilly over US airspace. Those ops are the exclusive domain of military testing—period. More people need to understand these facts.

DHS, CBP Air and Marine has several locations and they fly a relatively small fleet along the border and over US seas.

FAA has a lock-down on UAV operations and restrictions require chase aircraft if they operate outside controlled airspace. . .therefore they are not just flying around everywhere. DHS CBP Air and Marine has an FAA waiver but they MUST remain in the cleared airpspace and not fly outside of that airspace, and if they do, it simple has to be darned important to justify it to the FAA. . .like a Border Patrol Agent in serious danger.

Heck, UAVs might lead to LE using helicopters and airplanes. . .gawd help us?

What?

Oh. . .wait. . .never mind.

92 posted on 04/25/2012 8:51:39 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

My local Sheriff’s Department is “authorized”. Lots of air activity in a place with many small regional airports...I can understand why it would be a good place to “test”, and one can’t deny the economic benefits of using drones instead of helicopters.


93 posted on 04/25/2012 4:46:32 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: sten

Get one of your own!!!

http://www.brookstone.com/parrot-ar-drone-2-quadricopter?bkiid=World_Landing_Page_Games___Toys_Electronic_Toys|CategoryWidget|786406p&catId=


94 posted on 04/26/2012 8:52:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I shudda read ahead!


95 posted on 04/26/2012 8:58:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Government is your friend.

http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/the-magazine/the-magazine-latest/ngm-nichols-field-test/


96 posted on 04/26/2012 9:03:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

actually, i’ve been experimenting with similar units for a while

believe me... your red flags should be up over this story


97 posted on 04/26/2012 9:17:19 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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98 posted on 04/26/2012 9:50:17 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: sten

Remember these folding wing jobs??

Scale it up just a little; get ya some bungee latex tubing for launching, and you have a HIGH altitude glider that makes NO buzzing sound at ALL!

99 posted on 04/26/2012 12:35:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: sten

DIY cruise missle:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1036775&page=3


100 posted on 04/26/2012 12:36:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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