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Romney gaining conservatives' support, if not their hearts
Washington Post ^ | apr 19, 2012 | Rosalind S. Helderman and Sandhya Somashekhar

Posted on 04/22/2012 7:06:08 AM PDT by Innovative

Mitt Romney was not his first choice for president, but conservative political activist Scott Magill has come to accept that Romney is now his only choice. So Magill is looking for reasons to get jazzed about the candidate he once dismissed.

His list so far: Romney is a Republican who would sign into law legislation passed by a GOP-led House. Romney has started to hit the right talking points. If elected, Romney would have to listen to the conservative base - or risk its wrath at reelection time.

Also, and perhaps most important, Romney is not Barack Obama.

The conservative base appears to be warming to Romney, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll conducted after Santorum's exit, which found that about 80 percent of conservative Republicans hold favorable views of Romney - a record percentage for the candidate.

Santorum's withdrawal from the field has opened the door for many groups that had been uncomfortable with his candidacy to embrace Romney, including the National Right to Life; the Susan B. Anthony List; National Organization for Marriage, which opposes same-sex marriage.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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To: Wpin

His governance in Mass. IS RELEVANT, because he led the politics of the left there during his whole term: Romneycare, coercion of free citizens to buy insurance or punishing them with a $2,000 fine, if they don’t obey his order, pro-abortion bill, coercing the Catholics to provide abortive pills and adoptions of children for gay couples, anti-gun bill, anti-business (increased the taxes by $700 million), pro-gay marriage even when the Mass. Supreme Court declared it UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I don’t trust Romney, as he has NO conservative credentials WHATSOEVER.

As for the “R” attached to his name, in his own words “stands not for Republican, but for reformer”. If the GOP establishment supports a non-Republican candidate in 2012, that’s their problem, not mine.

In conscience, I cannot vote for a “reformer moderate with progressive views”, as Romney described himself, while seeking the place of governor. And he acted like one.


151 posted on 04/22/2012 11:40:02 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: GenXteacher

Is Romney a RINOlander,
Who caves-in to Debt-Decline?
Will he re-write Obama”care,”
And propel us into financial hell?

Will Romney cast out REASON,
And join the Democrat’s lot?
Romney’s past brings sparse hope to mind,
Of those that are TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY,
Of those who are not blind.


152 posted on 04/22/2012 11:46:15 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Wpin

“Was Reagan elected governor of California? Is California conservative? But, I think we will all agree that Reagan influenced a growth in conservatism, even though he did liberal things as governor...”

Wow...learn some basic political history...or at least look it up before you spout off. CA pretty consistently voted Republican prior to 1992. The state as a whole is largely conservative ( by geography...not population) with the exception of the large metropolitan areas of SF and LA.

Comparing Reagan and to unprincipled SoS like Romney is laughable at best.


153 posted on 04/22/2012 11:47:10 AM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Marguerite

None of the above.


154 posted on 04/22/2012 11:51:09 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Marguerite

None of the above.


155 posted on 04/22/2012 11:51:59 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: vmivol00; Last Dakotan

“Perhaps someone should explain to you that this is a conservative site.”

According to the poll:

“about 80 percent of conservative Republicans hold favorable views of Romney - a record percentage for the candidate. “


156 posted on 04/22/2012 11:53:38 AM PDT by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Wpin

He stands for NOTHING, except he really does seem to like the homosexual agenda. He was pushing it on teens when he was governor.

Take your Romney cheerleading elsewhere. It will not fly on FR!!


157 posted on 04/22/2012 11:55:49 AM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Wpin

You should probably avoid linking to Romney’s website for your arguments about how conservative he is. That kind of self inflicted wound will get you zotted pretty fast...and I am having way too much fun to cut this short. Ha ha ha


158 posted on 04/22/2012 11:56:01 AM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Marguerite

FReeped!


159 posted on 04/22/2012 11:57:53 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Innovative

So-called conservatives will vote for Romney because they feel they have no choice or are unwilling or unable to write in a candidate, vote third party or stay home.

I dont know what I’m going to do, but one thing is sure: I will NOT vote for Romney


160 posted on 04/22/2012 11:59:35 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Innovative
Considering that the MSM is a strong Obama supporter, what is their motivation for printing a positive article about Romney?

Are you kidding? It's because they want Romney to be the GOP candidate -- so bad they're salivating over the prospect -- because Romney won't have a prayer against Obama!

161 posted on 04/22/2012 11:59:43 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Innovative

Posting made up numbers from the compost isn’t really helping your case...ha ha ha.

Maybe they were asking “severe conservatives”....ha ha.

By the way there is a pretty significant difference in a lot of “conservative Republicans” and conservatives.

Most are “conservative Republicans” now mirror their “conservative Democrat” cohorts...the Blue Dogs.

Some “Republicans” are proving they would vote for a candidate to the left of Hillary just because they have an R behind their name.


162 posted on 04/22/2012 12:02:15 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: vmivol00

“Some “Republicans” are proving they would vote for a candidate to the left of Hillary just because they have an R behind their name.”

I should point out that Hillarycare would probably be to right of Romneycare. I’m pretty sure it didn’t have a tyrannical mandate in it.


163 posted on 04/22/2012 12:05:13 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Innovative

The poll in question comes from ABC/Washington Compost- not a lot of credibility there.


164 posted on 04/22/2012 12:05:31 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: vmivol00
Not a site for whoring out your conservative principles for a gun grabbing, pro-abortion socialist just because he has an R behind his name.

My first priority is getting rid of Obama. That's all I have to say.

165 posted on 04/22/2012 12:07:07 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Innovative

IBTZ!!


166 posted on 04/22/2012 12:08:30 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: All

Wow. This thread looks like a Viking Kitty FEAST!


167 posted on 04/22/2012 12:11:22 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: GenXteacher

Thanks :)


168 posted on 04/22/2012 12:22:43 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: vmivol00

“Gutless conservatives whore themselves out for Romney”

Gutless pseudo-conservatives whore themselves out for Romney.

Here, I’ve fixed it :)


169 posted on 04/22/2012 12:24:39 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

Nice catch. Thanks


170 posted on 04/22/2012 12:27:52 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: vmivol00

“voting for anyone with an R behind their name, knowing their record...makes that person a “gutless lemming”.”

Have you read this?

http://noprisoners49.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/an-open-letter-to-the-rnc/

“We do NOT want Mitt Romney or any other Country Club RINO as our candidate. The Democrat crossover voters who have helped bolster Romney’s numbers thus far will not repeat their votes in November, and he will lose in the most spectacular fashion to Obama.

I do not hold any hope that the RNC will find its way back to the American public, and thus am looking forward to the emergence of a new Conservative Party to take your place.

After being a lifelong Registered Republican, it is with great regret that I request my name be with drawn from your list of supporters. I cannot continue to be associated with a political organization that ignores its own rules, much less the voice of The People.”


171 posted on 04/22/2012 12:28:34 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: GenXteacher

If the poll looked bad for Romney, you’d be touting the results. Regardless, the poll is more credible than a WND poll.


172 posted on 04/22/2012 12:29:18 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Last Dakotan

I think that conservatives are resentful of the fact that the Republican Party has, yet again, foisted a non-starter upon us. Romney is what he is. Edifying him as the “ideal” is equivalent to putting lipstick on a pig. We’re just stating the facts and were not happy with them!


173 posted on 04/22/2012 12:39:29 PM PDT by old school
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To: Wpin

“Now, what about that option of violent take over. There are maybe 2% here who would give up their comfortable lives for freedom. They will sit and complain as you do, but when it gets down to it, we are too comfortable with our lives to risk them...even if when we lost our freedom. So, our choice is clear...do we help the democrats remain in the Presidency out of moral outrage? Do you really think that one can equivocate the danger to us between Obama and Romney being President?”

What danger? Civil war, attempted coup by Obama, invasion by UN troops? All of the above? All if we don’t elect a man whose record shows that he is as dismal a choice as the current occupant of the White House?

“I minored in economics...learned enough to make millions of dollars investing because I understand economics and business. That is why I KNOW that we have not been suffering from inflation as most of the idiots here believe. Gold prices have moved up primarily from supply and demand factors unrelated to money supply. Indeed, our biggest economic threat the last few years was from deflation.”

Conservatism is not just about your stock portfolio. A sewer with a balanced budget is still a sewer.

“. Electing even a liberal Republican will remove that false hope and replace it with anger for liberalism in general, no matter which party. We have made great strides already, but we do not have the numbers yet and need to win over the hearts and minds of more.”

Nope. You win over hearts and minds by standing for something yourself, which Romney failed to do, and which, if the Republicans nominate Romney, they will fail to do. Admiral Sir John Fisher noted that “Moderation in war is imbecility” and the reverse of Clausewitz’ remark that “War is politics extended by other means” is also true, my point being that politics is essentially war. You cannot win by trying to combine with your enemy.


174 posted on 04/22/2012 12:40:05 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: muleskinner

Nope. I don’t tout polls because I think they are all fixed to get certain results.


175 posted on 04/22/2012 12:41:36 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: vmivol00

Not sure where you get your history from...both California state houses were controlled by the democrats for both of Reagan’s terms. But yes, California tended to vote Republican for President...but not much else...

http://www.presidentprofiles.com/Kennedy-Bush/Ronald-Reagan-Governor-of-california.html

During his tenure as Governor he called for some tax increases and backed off on some budget cuts...something that would probably make it impossible for people like you to vote for him today.

You may want to read this informative and entertaining article by Ann Coulter: http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-03-21.html


176 posted on 04/22/2012 12:41:56 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Innovative
Reality...

No, Bullcrap.

177 posted on 04/22/2012 12:43:57 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Graewoulf

Nicely done!


178 posted on 04/22/2012 12:44:14 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: citizen

“Our” presidential candidate?

This is NOT a GOP site!!


179 posted on 04/22/2012 12:47:16 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: vmivol00

“You should probably avoid linking to Romney’s website for your arguments about how conservative he is. That kind of self inflicted wound will get you zotted pretty fast...and I am having way too much fun to cut this short. Ha ha ha”

Didn’t realize that would be that kind of offense...you sure about that? Glad you are having fun...but, do think about your position...take a fresh look. I know what you are saying and there would be many times where I would agree with you, but not this time. We HAVE to remove the democrat party from power at all levels...


180 posted on 04/22/2012 12:47:22 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

Ok...I thought we had been through this before. Citing things like Romney’s website, the Washington Compost, and Bill Maher’s girlfriend and current Romney pimp...aren’t really helping your cause.

It’s ok if you support gun control, global warming, socialized healthcare, gay marriage, etc and you want to vote for Romney. Knock yourself out. Just don’t try to tell me he is a conservative and that I should vote for him.

Go do some Romney cheer leading on his site. You can brag about being an Econ minor and a “severe conservative”. They will love you over there.

Have fun!


181 posted on 04/22/2012 12:50:36 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Wpin

Oh, PLEASE! The GOP does NOTHING conservative when they get into power. They only fight when they’re out of power.


182 posted on 04/22/2012 12:54:14 PM PDT by Politicalmom (THIS IS NOT A GOP CHEERLEADING SITE!!!)
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To: Wpin

Read post 102 from the owner of the site.


183 posted on 04/22/2012 12:54:27 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Marguerite

I had not read that, but I did have a call from the RNC on Thursday. I told them I would support our local and state conservative candidates, but that I would not give a dime to the RNC for fear that it might be used to support Romney.

The funny thing is that the caller said he agreed with me and he was very unhappy as well.


184 posted on 04/22/2012 12:57:36 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: old school

“I think that conservatives are resentful of the fact that the Republican Party has, yet again, foisted a non-starter upon us. Romney is what he is. Edifying him as the “ideal” is equivalent to putting lipstick on a pig. “

Romney says whatever his advisers tell him to say. He does not have a core value. In Puerto Rico, he changed his position on the English as first language to get votes. In Wisconsin, he used his fathers’ closure of a company in Michigan (won’t win Michigan in the fall) and opened in Wisconsin. In Alabama, he commented about grits. In Mississippi, he told them saying they are the best role model for the federal government. He said at CPAC that he is “severely conservative”, when in 2002 he was describing himself as a “moderate reformer with progressive views”...


185 posted on 04/22/2012 12:59:17 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

Nice summary. Someone should put together a chart with the issues and a date of when Romney was for something and then another column of when he was against it.


186 posted on 04/22/2012 1:02:38 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Listen, troll... stop pimping Socialist Willard on this website. Ya dig ?”

I love the behind the anonymity of the internet courage punk but, in reality...you would not even try...so why play tough with me?


187 posted on 04/22/2012 1:05:20 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Innovative

“Also, and perhaps most important, Romney is not Barack Obama.”

He is only Obama-lite.

Romney is Obama’s dream nominee. This short video will give the GOP a flavor of how a debate might play out.

http://youtu.be/mv078A36t7Y


188 posted on 04/22/2012 1:05:34 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: All

Massachusetts Moderate Mitt Romney will say anything to get elected.

http://youtu.be/tyFaWhygzjQ


189 posted on 04/22/2012 1:08:19 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Wpin

(”I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...”)

So did you make a special exception for tyranny in the form of mandates and socialized medicine? Ha ha


190 posted on 04/22/2012 1:13:57 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: vmivol00

“(”I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...”)

So did you make a special exception for tyranny in the form of mandates and socialized medicine? Ha ha”

That oath does not preclude winning...I know how to and enjoy winning...I don’t think you are capable of looking past the first layer of things to understand that...which is why you do not see the wisdom in defeating the democrats. But truthfully, that is your problem, not mine.


191 posted on 04/22/2012 1:16:24 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

“So did you make a special exception for tyranny in the form of mandates and socialized medicine? Ha ha”

“That oath does not preclude winning...I know how to and enjoy winning...I don’t think you are capable of looking past the first layer of things to understand that...which is why you do not see the wisdom in defeating the democrats. But truthfully, that is your problem, not mine.”

Ok...so you are ok with mandates and other forms of tyranny as long as its an R behind it. Ha ha ha

I see wisdom in empowering conservatives....regardless of party affiliation.


192 posted on 04/22/2012 1:21:39 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Last Dakotan

For which Romney are you’ll vote, I’m wondering.

http://youtu.be/3ElZ4_HrwPI


193 posted on 04/22/2012 1:33:30 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Wpin

Wanna bet, jackass ? I got bits of you vile little Slick Willardbots in my stool.


194 posted on 04/22/2012 1:43:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: vmivol00

Wpin loves tyranny. Go look at his posts last year supporting the “Arab Spring” abomination. A pro-Mohammadan terrorist supporter of Socialist Willard. Amazing...


195 posted on 04/22/2012 1:52:26 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: vmivol00; onyx; katiedidit1; b9; true believer forever

“Someone should put together a chart with the issues and a date of when Romney was for something and then another column of when he was against it.”

MITT ROMNEY FLIP-FLOPS:

‘It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.’
‘I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.’

‘I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.’
‘There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.’

‘Roe v. Wade has gone too far.’
‘I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, we should sustain and support it.’

‘I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life.’
‘I’m not a big game hunter... I’ve always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will.’

‘I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.’
‘I never really called myself pro-choice.’

‘I was an independent during Reagan-Bush era. I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.’
‘Ronald Reagan is... my hero.’

‘I will work and fight for stem cell research.’
‘In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.’

‘I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.’
‘I did not see it with my own eyes.’

‘This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car.’
‘They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air.’

14 Bald-Faced Mitt Romney Flip-Flops That Were Dug Up By John McCain:

http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1

TOP ROMNEY TURNAROUNDS:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/files/2011/10/FLIPFLOPS.pdf


196 posted on 04/22/2012 2:23:12 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: GenXteacher

Thanks.

A couple of ideas that may spark your history lessons:

1.) Throw in a little physics: Newton has a law “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.”

2.) After 80 years, the opposite reaction of the Market system is finally strong enough in America to attempt to defeat Capitalism: State-Control vs Market Control.

3.) Remember the essays on radio, (your grandparents might remember), entitled: “ What America means to me?” These were written by grade school children. Have your classes do the same.

For High School children have 3 speeches/student: student, parents, grandparents. Recited by student, but written by each generation. Winner gets to lead the marching band onto the football field at halftime for the crowning of the Homecoming King and Queen. (I get all choked up just thinking about it!)


197 posted on 04/22/2012 2:37:17 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Innovative

F that s.


198 posted on 04/22/2012 2:45:02 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Graewoulf

‘Preciate the ideas!


199 posted on 04/22/2012 3:18:22 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Innovative
What do you think will be left of the US after another Obama term, where he won’t have to worry about even pretending to be a moderate?

You know I hear that argument all the time and I think it is total nonsense. First, I don't believe that Romney will be that much better: he will nominate liberal justices, engage in class warfare, continue to run up the national debt, support big government policies, tinker around the edges with entitlements, etc. Second, we will still have divided government, which will limit the damage that a second Obama term can do. Third, if you want to blame someone if Obama wins in November, try blaming the morons who voted for a weak RINO to be the nominee yet again.

Anyone living in reality can see that we’ll have either Obama or Romney as president for the next four years.

No doubt, so what is your point? That I am now obligated to vote for that pandering phony because he has an "R" next to his name? I think Romney is an embarrassment, a pandering boob who will do or say anything if only to be the president. If that is the man that you want to be your leader, then you should vote for him. I won't.

As I said in a previous post: if you ONLY have a choice between hamburger and chicken, are you going to hold out and starve to death, because you will refuse to eat anything but filet mignon?

Chicken and hamburger? Is that what you call that pink slime? Just because the Republicans chose to serve up the some garbage doesn't mean I have to eat it.

As I have said before, given the choice between Romney and Obama I will choose none of the above.

200 posted on 04/22/2012 3:34:53 PM PDT by EagleInGA
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