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Rubio Wants GOP DREAM Act in Place in Time for Fall College Semester
Fox News Latino ^ | April 20, 2012 | Elizabeth Llorente

Posted on 04/21/2012 9:36:37 PM PDT by olcurmudgeon

Washington D.C. – Marco Rubio says he wants his version of the DREAM Act in effect by fall, just in time for undocumented students to be able to attend college fall semester. Rubio, in two separate events in Washington D.C., said his plan is still being hammered out, and important details – such as the minimum and maximum age of those who would qualify – were yet to be determined. “We’re involving the DREAMers” in the drafting of the measure, he said, using the term that refers to undocumented youth brought to the country by their parents. “We’re involving the kids themselves.” Asked by a reporter when it will be introduced in the Senate, Rubio said: “When it’s ready. It won’t be next week.” He said he hopes it gets introduced by summer and passed by fall.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
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To: olcurmudgeon
Rubio your DREAMER crap, WTF is in it for us LEGALS?

YOU JERK! YOU STATIST!

51 posted on 04/22/2012 11:08:43 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Impy; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3
RE :”Thoughts?

I have heard speculation that Romney will pick Rubio for VP to turn his polls around with Hispanics. Of course Romney's polling looks that way because he flipped to anti-Amnesty to beat Perry and Newt in the primary.

From the ‘legal’ immigrants I have met here in Maryland who got free college and got here on a family visa, I see no evidence that they will oppose big government liberalism. In fact the opposite.

I did see it says Rubio's idea doesn't offer a path to citizenship and that the Democrats are opposed to it. Now it might be a smart thing to do to propose ‘compassionate’ looking immigration reforms and let the Hispanics watch Democrats kill them. In real life it could be amended to include path to citizenship before a vote and backfire.

52 posted on 04/22/2012 11:48:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: Impy; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3
Recall in real life what GWB and Boehner and Graham always said :"This is the best we can get. If we don't accept this we will get stuck with even worse"

And as I recall the amnesty GWB RINOs here used to say that we have "Shamnesty" now and any bill passed would be better than that.

The new way to get amnesty around the unemployment rate is to focus on illegals going to college.

I do like the idea of putting 'compassionate' looking bills up that Dems kill then going full court press on how Dems hurt minorities, but only Dems know how to play this game. Republicans are not smart enough to pull that off it seems.

53 posted on 04/22/2012 1:00:00 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3

” I do like the idea of putting ‘compassionate’ looking bills up that Dems kill then going full court press on how Dems hurt minorities, but only Dems know how to play this game. Republicans are not smart enough to pull that off it seems. “

Smart enough? Sure they are....balls enough? NO.


54 posted on 04/22/2012 1:04:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Impy; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3

By the way....don’t trust Rubio.


55 posted on 04/22/2012 1:06:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Bushbacker1

LOL @ trip down memory lane. Yep, but even that added to cementing our friendship.

On the serious side, that was the heart of the pool side discussion: watch him, he is not to be trusted. Apparently, those guys were right.

Please give my best to my gal pal and tell her I miss her. Some of us are in the midst of making “loose plans” to storm the convention. More later.


56 posted on 04/22/2012 1:19:47 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; dragnet2; ...
Now it might be a smart thing to do to propose ‘compassionate’ looking immigration reforms and let the Hispanics watch Democrats kill them.

In real life it could be amended to include path to citizenship before a vote and backfire.

I think Dems would kill a Rubio-style dream act (no voting rights, assuming Pelosi/Reid didn't swindle the GOP), but suppose they passed it. Then:

1) They would claim that a small number of illegals would qualify, but squishy language in the law could multiply the numbers who qualified, especially with the help of rogue judges.

(NOTE for following comment: It refers to POLITICAL "XXXX-Studies" programs. I have great respect for Hispanic literature, music, philosophy, etc. I have read Borges, Unamuno, Marti, etc. in Spanish.) They could create bogus political college programs for "Reconquista Studies," "Dream Act Studies," etc. even worse than the ones we have now.

And of course even current family-based immigration policy would make the number legalized grow exponentially.

2) I believe such a "Dream Act" would become a laboratory for leftists and RINOs to develop tactics to promote general amnesty, while trying to add voting to that "Dream Act" by hook or crook.

The GOP is NOT going to win elections by out-pandering the Dems. If GWB had "seen us at the signing" as he promised, McCain might get an extra 1 or 2 percent of Cal. Hispanics, but he would still lose that state big time. The Left would have methodically and inevitably used amnesty to build unbeatable national majorities, and there would be no legal remedy after that.

Maybe Rubio should emulate Obama by promising amnesty in the first year and then not do it.

57 posted on 04/22/2012 1:34:42 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: sickoflibs
And as I recall the amnesty GWB RINOs here used to say that we have "Shamnesty" now and any bill passed would be better than that.

Your memory is exactly right!

58 posted on 04/22/2012 1:54:41 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs

” And as I recall the amnesty GWB RINOs here used to say that we have “Shamnesty” now and any bill passed would be better than that.
Your memory is exactly right! “

Verbatim


59 posted on 04/22/2012 2:05:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Smokeyblue; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; MinuteGal
>> Opposing anything with the word "dream" in it is just plain stupid. <<

Perhaps, but as a rule of thumb I oppose ANYTHING that has the word "in-state tuition rates" and "undocumented immigrants" in the same sentence. I could care less whether it gives them amnesty and/or citizenship as an added bonus. People in this country illegally (whether its their own fault or not) should not have access to discounted to tuition that American citizens don't have. I argued this point with Perrybots a thousand times, and they'll just scream it's heartless and racist to make illegal aliens pay the SAME tuition rates that I would have to pay if I decided to enroll in a Texas or California university. How ridiculous. We must be the only country on the planet that gives illegal aliens preferential treatment over our own citizens.

>> Oh, goody.....the GOP now has its own Wise Latina....oops, Wise Latino....nope, keep it Wise Latina <<<

LMAO! I never trusted Rubio, and STILL don't, though it was a no-brainer to back him over DIABLO Crist after the orange menace officially became an "independent". And quite frankly, the other choices in the primary were a joke, no matter how some now-banned freeper babbled on about "The Honorable Dr. William M. Escoffery III, M.D." and his citizenship in four countries. ;-)

Still, I'll keep my eye and Rubio and I'm wary of this bill, but we'll see what the final version says.

>> The democrats seem to loathe this bill. Rubio should have called it something it else. <<

That could be a positive sign, but on the flip side, I also know most liberal RATs who loathe No Child Left Behind, Joe LIEberman, and Mark Kirk, all of whom I despise as well, so it's not a slam dunk. A stopped clock is right twice a day. Maybe Rubio thinks he's giving the GOP a tactical advantage by coming up a "conservative" education bill that helps immigrants, but you can't out-pander the RATs. We'll see what the final version says.

60 posted on 04/22/2012 3:22:39 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: BillyBoy
you can't out-pander the RATs

I guess you could but most minority voters would still vote for Leftists. I suppose one could argue that GWB out-pandered Obama (so far) because Bush really tried to push amnesty through, while Obama talked about it, then did nothing. "See you at the signing" tore the GOP apart, but it didn't help McCain much.

61 posted on 04/22/2012 4:25:44 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy; olcurmudgeon; Impy; Clintonfatigued
The excerpt that was posted ends right before the paragraphs that point out that Rubio's bill would not create a path to citizenship, which is why amnesty supporters are opposed to it. Just because it has DREAM in the name, and such term was by pro-amnesty groups a few years ago, doesn't mean that his bill would provide amnesty.

Several problems with this:

1) Some GOP congresscritters are really good at getting swindled at this kind of thing (or maybe they pretend they didn't really understand that GWB's 2007 amnesty bill "triggers" would not work at all).

2) Right now the Left says it rejects The Rubio Dream Act because it doesn't include "a path to citizenship," but strategically it would be very good for them to get a foot in the amnesty door, even without citizenship. They could add the other goodies later by several means, including the help of rogue judges and RINOs who think pandering will keep them or put them in office.

3) A lot can happen to a bill on its metamorphosis from Rubio's website to a bill that would get 60 senate votes, and I'll bet many of those changes would be concessions to the Left.

Congress has passed enough bad bills recently. They vote for them without even knowing (they claim) what is in them (see Pelosi).

62 posted on 04/22/2012 4:55:42 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

So another of the AMNESTY Bill advocates of the RINO Party gets well outed...

Mario and Willard are a good team...


63 posted on 04/22/2012 6:29:53 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB
RE :”GOP is NOT going to win elections by out-pandering the Dems

I don't really see how Republican win. What do they stand FOR that appeals to most American voters considering the massive change in demographics the past ~15 years?

Their message is : “ Vote against Obama because you are mad at him because things are bad.” But his personal likability is still high much higher than Republicans. The economic conditions are crappy but unless the opposing side can convince the voters that they have a better approach that will not make them winners. Hispanics are going to pose a big problem for Republicans this election.

I agree that giving in on anything risks incremental-ism, rather than backlash against the other side,

64 posted on 04/22/2012 6:51:48 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
By the way....don’t trust Rubio.

And guess what self-promoting radio/TV talk show host (claims to be a Reagan conservative) is Rubio's biggest backer for V.P.?

For me personally, any kind of dream act is a deal breaker.

65 posted on 04/22/2012 7:03:14 PM PDT by SMM48
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB
RE :”Now it might be a smart thing to do to propose ‘compassionate’ looking immigration reforms and let the Hispanics watch Democrats kill them.
......
I think Dems would kill a Rubio-style dream act (no voting rights, assuming Pelosi/Reid didn't swindle the GOP), but suppose they passed it.

There is an art to this type of warfare. Dems have perfected it.
What they do is once it looks like the other side might go for it then slip in a amendment for condition in that Dems cant possibly support. Then be prepared to claim that deal was struck between parties but the extremists on the Dem side forced their leaders to reject it. And name it something like :”The immigration fairness for all reform Act”

Try this FOR EXAMPLE: all that apply must sign a swearing statement that they will never apply for citizenship under the penalty of deportation . That should kill it.

66 posted on 04/22/2012 7:20:52 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: olcurmudgeon

I oppose the Illegal Immigrants Education Subsidy (”DREAM”) Act no matter when it is advocated, but the timing particularly sucks: it gets voted on in early Fall, Republicans vote against it, Hispanics are pissed off and vote Democratic.


67 posted on 04/22/2012 7:30:14 PM PDT by DNA.2012
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB
Their message is : “ Vote against Obama because you are mad at him because things are bad.” But his personal likability is still high much higher than Republicans.

I wonder about the response to that poll question. Are the poll respondents answering based on what they think they should answer to not "be a racist?" The only real poll that matters is the vote in Nov., but a Romney victory would be no guarantee whatsoever of a POTUS who would do the right things.

68 posted on 04/23/2012 8:01:38 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB
RE :”Their message is : “ Vote against Obama because you are mad at him because things are bad.” But his personal likability is still high much higher than Republicans.....
...
I wonder about the response to that poll question. Are the poll respondents answering based on what they think they should answer to not “be a racist?
” “

I have no doubt that it gives him some support but also Republicans have done little to endear themselves to voters the past 16 months, and Romney is pretty cold and stiff.

A while back Romney made a comment about how he is not worried about the poor because they have a social safety to protect them unlike us. The Dems immediately ponced and Romney backtracked to say he didnt mean it.

Now there was an opportunity to point out how rising food prices hurt those of us who are not part of the ‘food stamp nation’ who are being protected from Obama’s failed policies using our tax money, but Romney just got spooked and dropped the whole subject.

Not inspiring.

69 posted on 04/23/2012 8:18:35 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: sickoflibs

That would indeed kill it : )


70 posted on 04/23/2012 9:00:38 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SMM48

Agreed.


71 posted on 04/23/2012 9:05:08 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Impy; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB
RE :”Try this FOR EXAMPLE: all that apply must sign a swearing statement that they will never apply for citizenship under the penalty of deportation . That should kill it.
.....
That would indeed kill it : )

Lets say that provision was in a bill that passed, meaning Republicans didn't cave to get a bill (which I bet a POTUS Romney would try as GWB did) and so some Dems supported this to get it through the Senate (very unlikely.)

Getting Dem votes for this would be a move towards expanding the idea to those born here of illegal parents, which is why Dems would never go for it.

72 posted on 04/23/2012 9:28:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB
but also Republicans have done little to endear themselves to voters the past 16 months, and Romney is pretty cold and stiff.

A while back Romney made a comment about how he is not worried about the poor because they have a social safety to protect them unlike us. The Dems immediately ponced and Romney backtracked to say he didnt mean it.

Now there was an opportunity to point out how rising food prices hurt those of us who are not part of the ‘food stamp nation’ who are being protected from Obama’s failed policies using our tax money, but Romney just got spooked and dropped the whole subject.

Those are supposed to be policy questions, but I can see them affecting R's "likeability."

Not everyone will agree, but personally I think the "off-color" Limbaugh Fluke comments, Obama's counterattack (likely planned before as part of the trap), and the defense of Limbaugh by some on the Right, puts at least a temporary burden on GOP candidates. Romney was lucky that a CNN Dem operative attacked his wife, but the subject surely will materialize again.

73 posted on 04/23/2012 12:55:19 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB
Dec. 2011 - “The other day President Obama said, you know, it could be worse,” Romney said. “Sounds like Marie Antoinette, ‘Let them eat cake.’ ”

Apr 2012 - Mitt Romney cum Marie Antoinette?

74 posted on 04/23/2012 1:31:02 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne

” Romney was lucky that a CNN Dem operative attacked his wife, but the subject surely will materialize again.”

I hope the Dems are that stupid, but usually, they are shrewd (read evil).

Rom’s wife raised a bunch of kids successfully.

She has battled major illnesses.


75 posted on 04/23/2012 1:57:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; AuntB
RE :”Not everyone will agree, but personally I think the “off-color” Limbaugh Fluke comments, Obama’s counterattack (likely planned before as part of the trap), and the defense of Limbaugh by some on the Right, puts at least a temporary burden on GOP candidates. Romney was lucky that a CNN Dem operative attacked his wife, but the subject surely will materialize again.

I cant disagree with that but I also think their move on the ‘religious freedom’ battle wrt employer mandates, not even in effect yet, was not thought out, was poorly planned and poorly executed. Dems were much more effective using it as a vehicle to declare a Republican ‘war on women.’

I had a bad feeling about it from the start and now congressional Republicans have abandoned that fight, much as they did the FICA fight.

The 'Ryan Plan 2' restores the cuts in the military made in Boehner's House's keystone deficit reduction bill, where Boehner got 95% of what he wanted.

Pretty pathetic record.

76 posted on 04/23/2012 8:11:51 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: sickoflibs
I cant disagree with that but I also think their move on the ‘religious freedom’ battle wrt employer mandates, not even in effect yet, was not thought out, was poorly planned and poorly executed.

At least the religious freedom issue had something noble in its roots. Although I agree with Limbaugh that forcing the rest of us to pay for medically unnecessary birth control prescriptions is wrong, the language he used and many FReepers defended was shameful (IMO), and made it easy for O to drum up the "war on women."

Dems were much more effective using it as a vehicle to declare a Republican ‘war on women.’

Except that one of them counter-blundered with the attack on R's wife.

77 posted on 04/24/2012 12:39:51 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :”Except that one of them counter-blundered with the attack on R's wife.

That was some CNN lib and Obama was fast to repudiate her.

On the positive side that “If I Wanted America to Fail…” video is great.

78 posted on 04/24/2012 5:14:04 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: sickoflibs
That was some CNN lib and Obama was fast to repudiate her.

Who had gone to the WH 30+ times. Obama's need to repudiate her didn't pass the momentum to the GOP, but it threw the Left off its game and changed the subject. It was a blunder on the part of a single Dem agent, and Obama had to stop what he was doing to limit the damage.

79 posted on 04/24/2012 7:31:53 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker
RE:”Obama had to stop what he was doing to limit the damage.

Looks like he went back what he was doing in little time, I see today he is accusing Republicans of proposing raising the price of college relating to student loans.

I would ask the kids that he is targeting what their future is with 16 trillion + in debt and growing.

80 posted on 04/24/2012 8:17:11 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
Looks like he went back what he was doing in little time, I see today he is accusing Republicans of proposing raising the price of college relating to student loans.

Yes, I was talking about the "war on women." That's still going on, but the CNN blunder blunted their initiative a little temporarily. I always figured they would return to their plan eventually. Some polls show O with a lead, but now smaller, among women. Of course, that may have happened in any case.

Apparently Romney agrees with O on pandering to college kids (R says give them the goodies, but pay for it somehow, sometime -- yeah, right!). Looks like he senses danger, and wants to retreat leftward.

81 posted on 04/25/2012 1:36:25 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”Apparently Romney agrees with O on pandering to college kids (R says give them the goodies, but pay for it somehow, sometime — yeah, right!). Looks like he senses danger, and wants to retreat leftward.

As I posted on that ‘FR won't support Romney’ thread 2 to 3 weeks ago, now that Romney has the nomination ‘in the bag’ watch him start reacting to Obama by supporting more and more of his political handout proposals.

Don't forget what he said on Lilly BedWetter law.

My tagline..

82 posted on 04/25/2012 4:59:30 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; Impy
Back about 1995 Newt went to a college to give a speech and he responded to angry students outraged that reducing student loan benefits was part of Republicans budget proposals. How could Newt want to cut America's future?

Unlike Romney Newt was ready and explained ‘The US doesn't have that money it is paying your tuition with, it is borrowing it. Everyone in the future is stuck with that debt even those that don't get to go to college like you’.

I was impressed. Amazingly the debt is many many times worse now than in 1995 but Romney hasn't the guts or ability to articulate it when responding to specific issues (plus he knows he will be told to 'tax the rich to pay for it').

83 posted on 04/25/2012 5:47:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: onyx

Sad, but I suspected this last year.


84 posted on 04/25/2012 8:24:36 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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