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Hatch didn't make it he has to run in Primary!!!!
Fox News | 4/21/2012 | taildragger

Posted on 04/21/2012 12:33:46 PM PDT by taildragger

Folks, just heard, Hatch in a run off ! Liljenquist and Tea Partiers did it !!!


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KEYWORDS: hatch; liljenquist; rino; utah; vanity
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To: ASOC

Utah has a sore looser law.


51 posted on 04/21/2012 1:21:13 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: Longbow1969

Show one post where anyone says or implies they hate mormons.
You keep making the charge without basis.


52 posted on 04/21/2012 1:23:40 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: combat_boots

Another DC RINO will soon bite the dust.
Good riddance. Hatch can join Lugar is a retirement home.


53 posted on 04/21/2012 1:25:14 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: taildragger

Thanks for the post. Poor Orrin. This is what he gets for thinking he is living in the past. And his ass kissing of Teddy Kennedy was just way over the top for true conservatives in Utah.


54 posted on 04/21/2012 1:27:52 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: taildragger

I clearly see there’s a lot of joy and jubilation here over the news that Orrin Hatch has to compete in a primary. Now, forgive me, but could someone please explain to me why do so many Freepers want to see Hatch go? Is it because of his position on some specific key issues? Or is it that he’s just simply been around too long and is thus viewed as part of the establishment?

One thing I find curious is, according to the Heritage Foundation’s legislative scorecard which is constructed as a comprehensive and revealing barometer of a lawmaker’s willingness to fight for conservative policies in Congress, Orrin Hatch currently receives a score of 91%, which is a higher score than all but five senators. (Heritage prides itself on being tough graders, as they should be):

http://heritageactionscorecard.com/scorecard/index.html#all

I’m not trying to be disagreeable here, nor do I claim to be some big fan of Orrin Hatch... I’m genuinely interested in learning what am I missing here that should make me want to see him retired?


55 posted on 04/21/2012 1:30:49 PM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: jazusamo

Upset? He sure is.

I heard Hatch on FOX Radio this morning (Eastern time). This was before the results were in. ‘Ole Orrin must have seen some internal polls.

Hatch really layed into the TEA Party....he hates the TEA Party with a passion. Hatch sounded angry and bitter. Boo hoo.

The reporter mentioned that Hatch has been in the Senate for 30 years. The Founding Fathers never intended for there to be such a thing as a career politician.....the source of many of the country’s problems. It’s a shame the Founders didn’t put term limits in the Constitution.


56 posted on 04/21/2012 1:32:28 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The TEA Party is my cup of tea.)
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To: taildragger

RINO hunting season is open!


57 posted on 04/21/2012 1:32:36 PM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: taildragger

My guess is he is now toast.


58 posted on 04/21/2012 1:33:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (For every black person murdered by a white, thirty-nine white people are murdered by blacks.)
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To: DestroyLiberalism

“”Orrin Hatch currently receives a score of 91%,”””


I think you answered your own question. In a super conservative state like Utah their Senators should have a 100% conservative voting record.

A tough conservative would have no problem getting elected and staying elected in Utah.


59 posted on 04/21/2012 1:34:54 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: svcw; Longbow1969
Hatch is a mormon and there have been zero anti-mormon threads.

Yeah, and CNN us unbiased.

60 posted on 04/21/2012 1:35:37 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1187 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: taildragger
http://utahgop.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/ussenate/ Here is the vote, Hatch missed not running in a primary by 32 votes. Unofficial vote report. Second round of voting – 3908 delegate votes were cast (out of 3921 credentialed delegates). Orrin Hatch – 2313 votes, 59.19 percent Dan Liljenquist – 1595 votes, 40.81 percent This race will be decided in the primary election on June 26th. First round of voting – 3918 delegate votes were cast (out of 3921 credentialed delegates). Jeremy Friedbaum – 15 votes, 0.38 percent Kevin Fisk – 3 votes, .08 percent Loy Arlan Brunson – 14 votes, 0.36 percent Tim Aalders – 78 votes, 1.99 percent Dan Liljenquist – 1108 votes, 28.28 percent William “Dub” Lawrence – 1 vote, 0.03 percent David Chiu – 17 votes, 0.43 percent Chris Herrod – 421 votes, 10.75 percent Orrin Hatch – 2243 votes, 57.25 percent We advance to a second round of voting between candidates Dan Liljenquist and Orrin Hatch. Like this: Like Be the first to like this post. . from → Convention 2012, Elections, State Party
61 posted on 04/21/2012 1:37:13 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: taildragger
http://utahgop.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/ussenate/ Here is the vote, Hatch missed not running in a primary by 32 votes. Unofficial vote report. Second round of voting – 3908 delegate votes were cast (out of 3921 credentialed delegates). Orrin Hatch – 2313 votes, 59.19 percent Dan Liljenquist – 1595 votes, 40.81 percent This race will be decided in the primary election on June 26th. First round of voting – 3918 delegate votes were cast (out of 3921 credentialed delegates). Jeremy Friedbaum – 15 votes, 0.38 percent Kevin Fisk – 3 votes, .08 percent Loy Arlan Brunson – 14 votes, 0.36 percent Tim Aalders – 78 votes, 1.99 percent Dan Liljenquist – 1108 votes, 28.28 percent William “Dub” Lawrence – 1 vote, 0.03 percent David Chiu – 17 votes, 0.43 percent Chris Herrod – 421 votes, 10.75 percent Orrin Hatch – 2243 votes, 57.25 percent We advance to a second round of voting between candidates Dan Liljenquist and Orrin Hatch. Like this: Like Be the first to like this post. . from → Convention 2012, Elections, State Party
62 posted on 04/21/2012 1:37:18 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: pabianice

Did you ever hear Hatch stand up against the progressives going too far with the police state in the name of domestic terrorism? Was he standing next to Rand Paul raising cane about TSA sexually molesting babies and toddlers?

I did not think so.


63 posted on 04/21/2012 1:37:34 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: conservativebuckeye
Yeah, like Obama’s favorite Republican will ever go away. If Lugar loses his primary, I guarantee he will pull a Murkowski.

Hey, after all, it's not like it's the people's Senate seat! < / sarcasm off >

64 posted on 04/21/2012 1:37:59 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Longbow1969; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...
Otherwise, you look like someone who enjoys going around kicking rhetorical anthills just for the helluvit

Thanks for the introduction of the mormon religion to this thread. We'll be happy to provide more fodder for your whines.

65 posted on 04/21/2012 1:41:23 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I do not expect the (FR) house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided-Jim Robinson)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Yes, he was first elected in 1977, there should definitely be term limits.


66 posted on 04/21/2012 1:44:11 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: null and void

Show me because you have made the charge one anti-mormon thread.
There have been threads exposing mormonISM but zero that are anti-mormon.


67 posted on 04/21/2012 1:46:00 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: taildragger

but but but...

he was one of the original Tea Partiers — he said so.

[/s]


68 posted on 04/21/2012 1:48:18 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: svcw
I seriously doubt you have the ability to perceive an anti-mormon bias, in much the same way I would doubt a rabid Obama supporter would be able to perceive a trace Bush-bashing on any MSM outlet.

It's not anti-Bush, it's just exposing BushISM...

69 posted on 04/21/2012 1:50:52 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1187 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: unkus

“LOL I’m guessing Hatch is absolutely livid about it too.”

Greta had Urrine on last evening. He acted like some Brahmin and it was an affront to his dignity to have to run against anyone. He called everyone who was against him a liar. I got the same tune directly from him from an e-mail I sent about one of his actions. Both he and Lugar need to go if only because they’ve “served” now for more than 35 years! We need to “off” the RINOs as much if not more than we do the RATS.


70 posted on 04/21/2012 1:50:58 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: newzjunkey

I don’t think former Senator Bennett is named Bill.

Robert Bennett comes to mind.


71 posted on 04/21/2012 1:52:19 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: taildragger

Pass the torch already Orrin, it’s We the People’s Senate not yours!


72 posted on 04/21/2012 1:53:43 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Presbyterian Reporter wrote:
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I think you answered your own question. In a super conservative state like Utah their Senators should have a 100% conservative voting record.

A tough conservative would have no problem getting elected and staying elected in Utah.
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But it really doesn’t answer my question. First off, Heritage currently doesn’t give any congressman or congresswoman a 100% conservative rating. Here are the Top 10 highest scores in the Senate right now:

1) Jim DeMint (NC) - 99%
1) Mike Lee (UT) - 99%
3) Marco Rubio (FL) - 97%
4) Rand Paul (KY) - 96%
5) Ron Johnson (WI) - 94%
6) Tom Coburn (OK) - 91%
6) Orrin Hatch (UT) - 91%
8) Jim Risch (ID) - 90%
9) Pat Toomey (PA) - 89%
10) Michael Crapo (ID) - 87%
10) Jim Inhofe (LA) - 87%
10) David Vitter (LA) - 87%

From the list, one can see what a nice job our top Tea Party senators have done in keeping their promises to vote for legislation backing conservative principles (and I’d say they each deserve an e-mail or phone call of thanks from each one of us). That said, one also can’t ignore that Orrin Hatch’s voting record is measuring right up there with our Tea Party favorites, according to Heritage. So it begs the question... Why are so many Freepers accusing Hatch of being a RINO?


73 posted on 04/21/2012 1:53:56 PM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: TomGuy
he was one of the original Tea Partiers — he said so.

That is not just funny. It is a true statement. He really got me to the point where I just tossed every letter and deleted every email as he feigned belief in the Tea Party.

74 posted on 04/21/2012 1:54:51 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: taildragger

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Y E S !
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75 posted on 04/21/2012 1:55:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: taildragger

That’s fantastic.


76 posted on 04/21/2012 1:55:31 PM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: newzjunkey

Ushering in good judges?? The man voted for Kagan for crying out loud. I must have missed that Levin show.


77 posted on 04/21/2012 2:01:45 PM PDT by GingerC
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To: MissMagnolia

I wonder how much money he has for defending the seat. It cost McCain over $20 million to win last round.


78 posted on 04/21/2012 2:03:05 PM PDT by Nickname
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To: taildragger; All

” “These people are not conservatives. They’re not Republicans,” Hatch angrily responds. “They’re radical libertarians and I’m doggone offended by it.”

Then Hatch, a former boxer, turns combative. “I despise these people, and I’m not the guy you come in and dump on without getting punched in the mouth.” “

78 years old, and won’t give up either the power,the perks, or the meat wagon....

Lugar, 80.....same.


79 posted on 04/21/2012 2:03:05 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: taildragger

Levin is ‘Bnai’Brith, so he aligns with all other forms of freemasonry, which mormonism clearly is.
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80 posted on 04/21/2012 2:03:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: vette6387

Exactly!

They all become very arrogant.


81 posted on 04/21/2012 2:06:50 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: SaraJohnson

” Did you ever hear Hatch stand up against the progressives going too far with the police state in the name of domestic terrorism? Was he standing next to Rand Paul raising cane about TSA sexually molesting babies and toddlers?

I did not think so.”

Never!


82 posted on 04/21/2012 2:07:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: null and void

No apparently you are unable to tell the difference between exposing mormonISM and anti-mormon.


83 posted on 04/21/2012 2:08:18 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: izzatzo

Man, you’re not lying! I saw him at the last town hall and he looked livid that he even had to be there. This is the beneath him.


84 posted on 04/21/2012 2:09:03 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: svcw

We each have our limits.


85 posted on 04/21/2012 2:09:19 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1187 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: DestroyLiberalism

Freepers in general are people who are aware of what is going on, so they assume other Freepers are too, and should not have to waste their time recounting all the info that is common knowledge as to why any conservative would want some other conservative to replace Hatch.

Since you asked for some specific issues, Hatch voted for TARP and is a big Dream Act supporter. That’s not all, but it enough right there.

In his first race for elective off Hatch criticized his incumbent opponent Moss’s 18-year tenure in the Senate, saying “What do you call a Senator who’s served in office for 18 years? You call him home.” [6] Hatch argued that many Senators, including Moss, had lost touch with their constituents. So, Hatch who has been in the Senate for twice as long a the guy he replaced made the case against himself in this election rather well 36 years ago!

As far as being part of the D.C. Establishment, it does not get more establishment and stickier than this - Hatch’s son Scott is a partner and registered lobbyist at Walker, Martin & Hatch LLC, a Washington lobbying firm. The firm was formed in 2001 with Jack Martin, a staff aide to Senator Hatch for six years, and H. Laird Walker, described as a close associate of the senator. In March 2003, the Los Angeles Times reported that the firm was formed with Hatch’s personal encouragement and that he saw no conflict of interest in working on issues that involved his son’s clients.

How many times over 36 years has Hatch voted to raise the debt limit to get this country to whatever portion of the 15 trillion dollar debt he is presonally responsible for? I’m not gonna count them up for you. Just say, most people instinctively understand the guys that got us into this debt disater are not the ones we trust to get us out of it.

This is all the information I have time to give you, but now that you have learned what you have been missing here that should make you want to see him retired, perhaps you will count yourself as a supporter of Dan Liljenquist.

Have a nice weekend!


86 posted on 04/21/2012 2:10:19 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Longbow1969
Aren’t there a bunch of FR posters running around spamming threads with anti-Mormon junk claiming that being a Mormon alone makes one a liberal.

That's 'anti-MormonISM' junk facts...


... claiming that being a Mormon alone makes one a liberal.

Well; we are STILL waiting for a MORMON on the National scene that ISN'T a LIBERAL to be produced.

Do YOU have one for us?

87 posted on 04/21/2012 2:13:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; All
78 years old, and won’t give up either the power,the perks, or the meat wagon.... Lugar, 80.....same.

People are asking why do we want to get rid them, really?

Nothing against our seniors but ya think he is a little out of touch?

I mean this isn't like a titan of busness going their ( Bob Lutz comes to mind, just because of his age and it would be a career change ) for one term to cap off a life of work...

Just like, Specter, and Levin who has been their 36 years. and Dingell, at 55+ it is time to go.

Do ya think our Founding Fathers wanted them their that long? And that doesn't even touch the admendment that made Senators elected by the popular vote.

It is time Orrin...

88 posted on 04/21/2012 2:13:56 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

When Hatch took office, our national debt was $700 billion. Today, it’s pushing $16 trillion.


89 posted on 04/21/2012 2:14:34 PM PDT by Nickname
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To: Crawdad
You don’t want to get run over by the passive-aggressive bus.

Speaking of bus...

Would that be the same one that the MORMONs threw their god under; in favor of STATEHOOD?

90 posted on 04/21/2012 2:14:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DestroyLiberalism

1) Mike Lee (UT) - 99%

So what prevented Orrin Hatch from being a 99% conservative like Mike Lee?

The conservatives need a super conservative leader and Orrin Hatch is not that type of person. Orrin has gotten lazy and a younger and stronger conservative leader needs to replace him.


91 posted on 04/21/2012 2:14:56 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: taildragger

” Do ya think our Founding Fathers wanted them their that long? And that doesn’t even touch the admendment that made Senators elected by the popular vote.”

Founding Fathers would be mortified!!


92 posted on 04/21/2012 2:16:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Longbow1969
Dumb as it is, there are a few fanatics that insist this is true.

HAve these 'fanatics' produced any DATA to possibly back up what they are saying??

93 posted on 04/21/2012 2:16:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Longbow1969
Have these 'fanatics' produced any DATA to possibly back up what they are saying??

Or do they just call them names?

94 posted on 04/21/2012 2:16:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DestroyLiberalism

“So it begs the question... Why are so many Freepers accusing Hatch of being a RINO?”

Well let me count the ways....

support of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Cass Sunstein, Stephen Breyer, and Timothy Geitner and Elana Kagan.

Hatch voted against banning earmarks

Hatch voted for Medicare Part D, the largest entitlement expansion since the Great Society… until ObamaCare
Hatch voted for and was lead sponsor of SCHIP, a massive expansion of government health insurance
Hatch voted for the Wall Street bailout (TARP)
Hatch voted for the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailout
Hatch voted to continue the auto bailout
Hatch voted to increase the debt ceiling 16 times by a total of $7.6 trillion
Hatch voted against the interstate sale of health insurance
Hatch voted to establish the Department of Education, a federal takeover of our education system
Hatch repeatedly voted for the expansion of government health care programs
Hatch repeatedly voted for wasteful and pork-laden farm subsidy programs
Hatch repeatedly voted for bills filled with pet projects and giveaways

I am sure I could come up with more but I think this should give you an idea.


95 posted on 04/21/2012 2:17:21 PM PDT by GingerC
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To: Longbow1969
Some of these people just hate Mormons and insist on repeating dopey things on thread after thread.

There are posters on FR that mis-categorize people and label them improperly.

There is one who INSISTs on claiming that others hate MORMONs; when it's been SHOWN, over and over, that the HATE is directed towards the HERESY that calls itself MormonISM.

They also claim that DOPEY things are REPEATED, but have not, as yet, produced any LINKS to these DOPEY things.

(Yeah, it'll take TWO for the REPEAT charge to stick.)

96 posted on 04/21/2012 2:20:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Magic Fingers
They hate one Mormon in particular.

Are you referring to Mitt Romney?

The DECEIVED Mormon?

The one, who if pressed, will claim he believes everything the MORMON religious Organization teaches; for fear of APOSTIZING?

THAT one MORMON?

97 posted on 04/21/2012 2:23:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GingerC

” Well let me count the ways....

support of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Cass Sunstein, Stephen Breyer, and Timothy Geitner and Elana Kagan.

Hatch voted against banning earmarks

Hatch voted for Medicare Part D, the largest entitlement expansion since the Great Society… until ObamaCare
Hatch voted for and was lead sponsor of SCHIP, a massive expansion of government health insurance
Hatch voted for the Wall Street bailout (TARP)
Hatch voted for the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailout
Hatch voted to continue the auto bailout
Hatch voted to increase the debt ceiling 16 times by a total of $7.6 trillion
Hatch voted against the interstate sale of health insurance
Hatch voted to establish the Department of Education, a federal takeover of our education system
Hatch repeatedly voted for the expansion of government health care programs
Hatch repeatedly voted for wasteful and pork-laden farm subsidy programs
Hatch repeatedly voted for bills filled with pet projects and giveaways

I am sure I could come up with more but I think this should give you an idea.”

How the hell does he get a 91% conservative rating? The ratings must be crap.


98 posted on 04/21/2012 2:24:51 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Longbow1969
16 posted on Sat Apr 21 2012 14:43:18 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Longbow1969: “Wait Liljenquist? Isn’t he a Mormon? Aren’t there a bunch of FR posters running around spamming threads with anti-Mormon junk claiming that being a Mormon alone makes one a liberal. That Mormons are “progressive” because of their faith? Isn’t Liljenquist a Tea Party conservative and a Mormon? How could this be?”

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

If somebody had told me two years ago that I'd be trying to talk people into voting for Newt Gingrich despite his past history, and now being backed by a casino mogul, I'd have said they're crazy. Two months ago I was supporting Rick Santorum despite some significant concerns. Now, however, Gingrich is now the last conservative left standing. The alternative to him is worse.

I don't have a big problem with voting for a politically conservative Mormon, though I would want to ask some important questions first to a Mormon candidate before voting for him. I'd have similar concerns about any candidate who is a member of a cult group, though I could imagine voting for such a candidate if there is no good alternative or if the candidate is really good politically despite problematic religious views, so long as I'm satisfied his religious views don't make him unacceptable on key Christian conservative political issues such as abortion and homosexual marriage.

In any event, trying to run Sen. Hatch out of Utah is not a political risk to the Republican Party since whoever wins the Republican nomination is going to win Utah anyway. I think it's a win-win — if Hatch wins, the seat stays Republican and hopefully he'll realize he needs to be more attentive to his conservative constituents; if he loses, the seat gets held by a considerably more conservative candidate since the Democratic Party has virtually no chance in Utah.

99 posted on 04/21/2012 2:26:07 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: svcw; Longbow1969
You keep making the charge without basis.

I wonder WHY??


 
 
" The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly -
- it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."


100 posted on 04/21/2012 2:26:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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