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Hatch didn't make it he has to run in Primary!!!!
Fox News | 4/21/2012 | taildragger

Posted on 04/21/2012 12:33:46 PM PDT by taildragger

Folks, just heard, Hatch in a run off ! Liljenquist and Tea Partiers did it !!!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hatch; liljenquist; rino; utah; vanity
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To: cripplecreek
The Tea party is not as visible right now, but still a strong prescense.
201 posted on 04/21/2012 8:56:58 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Longbow1969

“The idea that one is automatically a political liberal because they are a Mormon is ridiculous. Dumb as it is, there are a few fanatics that insist this is true...”

I know that personally I don’t want a Mormon PRESIDENT; however, you’re missing the point. Romney is a lying liberal as evidenced by his WORKS in government.

It is not inconsistent to support a Mormon ousting another Mormon as a UTAH senator. Whomever, Utah nominates - it is an axiom that it will be a Mormon given that it is a Mormon STATE.

THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS NOMINATING A MORMON PRESIDENT.

This is simple logic. It is not difficult for any thinking person to see the difference between the two situations.


202 posted on 04/21/2012 8:58:39 PM PDT by publius321
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To: Keith in Iowa

Orrin shoul take his lavish government pension, and royalties from his music and ride off into the sunset. It’s time for a new generation to take his seat.

I don’t understand why these old men that have been there for a million years don’t want to retire. What’s up with that—huge egos? They are all part of the problems we now have in this country. Crossing the aisle too many times to advance the liberal agenda. Do you hear me John McCain? Go away.


203 posted on 04/21/2012 9:00:07 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Colofornian; Longbow1969

Hi, Colofornian. Please don’t add me to this ping list. The only reason I posed the questions to Longbow1969 in post #37 is that up until his post #16 there was not a single mention of Mormons or Mormonism, and this topic had absolutely nothing to do with either. It was he, Longbow, who took the thread completely off-topic by introducing that discussion, and in a way that appeared inflammatory and specifically engineered to derail the entire thread into exactly the direction it has gone. The perfect example of the rhetorical anthill kicking to which I referred in #37.

As for me, I have absolutely no interest in discussions of Mormons or Mormonism. I was actually interested in the original Orrin Hatch vs. Dan Liljenquist topic, so I quit reading the thread when it became something entirely otherwise.

If topic hijacking was Longbow’s intent, he has certainly succeeded. He’d have a very difficult time convincing me that this wasn’t his intention. It was so predictable a child would have seen it coming.

FReegards,
LV


204 posted on 04/21/2012 9:04:06 PM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: publius321
“The idea that one is automatically a political liberal because they are a Mormon is ridiculous. Dumb as it is, there are a few fanatics that insist this is true...”

Orson Scott Card is a Mormon but he's certainly not a political liberal. I really wish, though, that folks would catch on to the fact that "one is" does not equal "they are."
205 posted on 04/21/2012 9:07:51 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Longbow1969

We had a Mormon work for our company a few years ago. He was very young and newly married. He had the best work ethic, was a strong family man and very conservative. Mormons are good people that we want on our side. I don’t have a problem with it. I want someone that knows how to turn the economy around and run a business. I think Romney has those qualifications though I prefer Newt and will vote for Newt in the Texas primary.


206 posted on 04/21/2012 9:08:38 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: taildragger
Hatch, “I don't have much respect for the TEA party” is going to get spectored.

Maybe he should have acted like a lady and kept his arrogant thoughts to himself.

207 posted on 04/21/2012 9:14:08 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

He can join the biggest loser whiner-Arlen Spector. Term limits.


208 posted on 04/21/2012 9:14:40 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: null and void

Spot on and good analogy. I talk to liberals all the time and they’re just not self-aware. They use subtle code words that have deep meaning to them, but are utter nonsense. You present facts and they start double talking.


209 posted on 04/21/2012 9:21:43 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: taildragger

Orrin, your chickens have come home to hatch, or something like that.


210 posted on 04/21/2012 9:34:17 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Longbow1969

When the media gets onto the Mormanism angle, the repubs need to fight back with details of BO’s Muslim upbringing and the makeup of the Rev. Wright’s church(Muslims/”former” Muslims and that black theology they taught there. It could be very damaging to BO if someone would actually talk about it this time.


211 posted on 04/21/2012 9:34:49 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: newzjunkey

4 am reference bump! ;-)


212 posted on 04/21/2012 9:47:39 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: katykelly

They did spare us an Al Gore Presidency. What’s the background on Liljenquist? Some posters seem to indicate that he’s not legit. What’s the story?


213 posted on 04/21/2012 9:50:16 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Goron didn't win because he could not win his 'home state' ... we Tennesseeans peed on his inevitability parade, mostly by revealing his flip flop from supposed pro-life to supporting partial birth abortion.

Just for measuring the media onslaught, watch for the media to expose what the MomronISM high priesthood is, and relating that to the blasphemy of usurping the role of Christ as THE ONLY Melchizedek high priest. When that reaches Catholic minds and Baptist attention Milt will be lucky to get 15% of the Christian vote from the middle. Look for the Constitution Party candidate to get an unusually high vote percentage as indication of where the Christian vote went when the GOPe tried to shove the liberal slug Rominy down our collective throats.

214 posted on 04/21/2012 9:58:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: taildragger; Longbow1969; Crawdad

This is idiocy, absolute idiocy.

Some clown wraps himself in the Tea Party mantle, and everyone is glad Hatch has to face him in a primary?

Idiocy

Hatch is a 100% ACU rating holder, along with Rubio, DeMint and a few others, and has a 99% Club For Growth rating. He has been carrying the Conservative water in DC since before many here were born.

Don;t worry about Hatch, he will win a primary in a landslide, thank God. Any so-called Conservative who is against Hatch is simply a self-agrandizing fool or off their Thorazine!

It’s about time we save our dollars and energy for defeating Obama in the Fall.


215 posted on 04/21/2012 10:07:24 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: MindBender26

Hatch is a 100% ACU rating holder, along with Rubio, DeMint and a few others, and has a 99% Club For Growth rating.


There is something seriously wrong with that rating criteria when a Senator who has stood silent while a police state is built against Americans and the constitution in the name of 911 Muslim terrorists, is rated at 100%. That’s sick. You happy with that?


216 posted on 04/21/2012 10:17:37 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: taildragger

There is going to be a lot of pressure on good conservatives like Coburn and Demint to endorse Hatch. If they can’t oppose him, I hope as many as possible can stay neutral. Hatch has been a good guy a majority of the time, but in dozens of cases HE HAS LINED UP WITH THE DEMOCRATS AGAINST US!!


217 posted on 04/21/2012 10:30:57 PM PDT by guitarist
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To: MindBender26
From what I recall, Hatch always talks a good game, but he always folds on the tough votes.

-PJ

218 posted on 04/21/2012 10:32:11 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: taildragger

haaaaaaa !!!

Go Tea Party !!


219 posted on 04/21/2012 10:37:14 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: taildragger

Good bye Booby-Hatch!

Like too many alleged “Conservatives”, you never know where this guy would land on any issue.

He MIGHT get it right, but is just as likely to go completely wrong.
If there was anything consistent about him you could work with him, knowing when he would support you
But he’s so random he must flip a coin to decide his stand on an issue.


220 posted on 04/21/2012 10:45:00 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: Longbow1969

I’m LDS...and no one has accused me of being a liberal yet. But it is sad to see some of what is going on. Luckily, IMHO, it is a tinly minority of people doing it. There are good and bad in any group with over 14 million members.

From my 42 years as a member and my 56 years on this earth, I can say that amongst the faithful LDS members, the good far outweigh the bad.

As for me personally, I hope my own history of activism and actions will put the lie to any notion like that anytime anyone tries to imply it about my person, so I do not expect it any time soon.

My Web Site
http://www.jeffhead.com

America at the Crossroads of History
http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm


221 posted on 04/21/2012 10:52:08 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: SaraJohnson

I’m very happy with that, because that means, rather than flapping his gums on TV every chance he gets, he is doing the work and casting the right votes.


222 posted on 04/21/2012 11:43:29 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Folds on votes?

Get the bird poo out of your hearing aid.

How do you think he got a 100% ACU rating and a 99% for CFG?

Does ANYBODY here do any research, or do they just post whatever some ninny with a keyboard says?


223 posted on 04/21/2012 11:46:41 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: Colofornian
 

If you have cable TV, there won’t be much on to watch.


 

 

 

 

If there isn’t much on to watch, you will answer your door whenever someone rings.


 

 

 

 

If you open your door, you will see mormons.


 

 

 

 

If you talk to mormons, they will trick you into “praying about whether something is true”.


 

 

 

 

If you rely on your feelings, you may become a mormon.


 

 

 

 

If you become a mormon, you will have to wear magic underwear!


 

 

 

 

If you wear magic underwear, people will immediately label you as a cultist.


DON’T be a cultist!
Get DirectTV.


224 posted on 04/22/2012 4:05:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: klimeckg
When I heard the news of old Orrin going DOWN! I was happy :-)

I think this belongs in the OTHER thread...


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2874926/posts

225 posted on 04/22/2012 4:06:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Not legal to be that type of weasel in Indiana.

We gots WEASELs???

Hopefully not the SPORK kind!

Our BADGERS are bad enough!!


 



226 posted on 04/22/2012 4:08:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
O Hatch can go right one writing songs.

Speaking of songs:

(click)
Praise to the Man!
 
 
 
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


227 posted on 04/22/2012 4:09:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: publius321
Whomever, Utah nominates - it is an axiom that it will be a Mormon given that it is a Mormon STATE.

If them frackin' GENTILES would stay away; we be MORE than 57% MORMON!

--MormonDude(but; they DO make a good mission field - so close to home and all.)

228 posted on 04/22/2012 4:11:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dandiegirl
I want someone that knows how to turn the economy around and run a business.

That is a requirement for inclusion into a Quorum of the LDS church, too.

229 posted on 04/22/2012 4:13:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 1010RD
I talk to liberals all the time and they’re just not self-aware. They use subtle code words that have deep meaning to them, but are utter nonsense. You present facts and they start double talking.

LIBERALS?

MORMONs do EXACTLY the same thing!!

230 posted on 04/22/2012 4:14:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
But it is sad to see some of what is going on.

What is 'going on'?


I’m LDS...and no one has accused me of being a liberal yet.

Very few of us would 'accuse' you of being a MORMON; either!

231 posted on 04/22/2012 4:17:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MagUSNRET

Good one.


232 posted on 04/22/2012 6:27:23 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Elsie; Longbow1969
Why Elsie, I was wondering when someone would get around to me. I'm honored.

As to what is going on...we are faced with the most cricuial election in my own life time, and perhpas in this nation's history, where we have an abject marxist willfully and openly destroying the Republic and it seems (barring a miracle from Newt in forcing a brokered convention, which I pray for despite Newt's own failings) where an individual who, as a Republican Governor in Mass took very liberal/progressive positions there in order to be elected and while governing, wherein he would not fight abortion, homsexuality and a Health Care system that in my opion is uncosntitutional.

In fact he kept his promises to the people of Mass when he ran that he would not do those things, though I personnaly feel he did deflect the situation, no matter hom small, by attempting to vetoe many of the worst provisions, which is clear from the record.

Now that same indivifual, Mitt Romney, is about to be nominated as the GOP Presidential candidate after he says he has repudiated those positions and is now running (and has been for the last 6-7 years), as a conservative, pro life, pro traditional marriage (which he himself has had for 30+ yers). It is a sad circumstance.

Although I would like to give Mitt the benefit of a doubt, because I gave Reagan the same when he changed, yet I would much prefer that he had a record of these new stances like Reagan did when he was governor of California. But we don't.

So we are faced with this decision, and despite being for Sarah, then Cain, then Santorum, and now Newt in the primaries, should he go on and get the nomination I have explained what my intent is...but I understand full well how others cannot do that after the history we have witnessed.

As to accusing me of being a "Mormon," as you know, there's no need. If that label is being attached to me because of my membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as you know I openly profess that I am a member, that I myself have served in Bishoprics, and that Jesus Christ is my personal Saviour.

233 posted on 04/22/2012 6:55:42 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: taildragger

Message to RINOs and other wobbly Repubs....

Don’t get comfortable. And if you ARE comfortable...watch your six.

Tea Party folks are breathing down your neck, chumps.

Good news!! Thanks for posting, taildragger.


234 posted on 04/22/2012 7:00:46 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Jeff Head
Why Elsie, I was wondering when someone would get around to me. I'm honored.


Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.

Bold
ANTIs
Spotlighting
Heresy

235 posted on 04/22/2012 7:12:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
As to accusing me of being a "Mormon," as you know, there's no need. If that label is being attached to me because of my membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as you know I openly profess that I am a member, that I myself have served in Bishoprics, and that Jesus Christ is my personal Saviour.

The same can be said about a Lutheran, or a Baptist or even me: well; without the Mormon and LDS appellations.

What you post could be posted by ANY Christian. There is NOTHING to be found in your posts about the heretical teachings of MORMONism.

236 posted on 04/22/2012 7:15:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
I agree...from my perspective. But not from ours, as you well know. I have posted in my tstimony on my site and here on FR, that we take what Christ said in Matthew literally, that when Christ said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect." that He meant it. And that when Paul stated in Romans that, "We are the chidlren of God and if children, then heirs, and joint heirs with Christ, if so be that we suffer with hHim, that we might also be glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared to the glory that shall be revealed in us." I have plainly stated that LDS doctrine is that our Father in Heaven, as a loving Father who wants the best for His children, wants us to have all that He has, to become and do the things He does. That is the foundation for all the talk that Mormons believe that they can be "Gods." We simply believe our loving Father wants us to grow up (in the eternities to come) to be like Him. Also, as relates to the Trinity. We believe in all three, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. But I have plainly stated that when Christ was baptised and He was in the water with John the Baptist, and the Holy Spirit descended seperately upon Him, and God the Father spoke seperately from Heaven, that it clearly shows that the three of them are three seperate distinct beings. The experience on the mount of transfiduration shows the same. And Christ's intercessory prayer, clearly shows the same when He says that He wants his disciples, "to be one, as we are one, Father, I in thee and Thee in me." We do not believe he meant for his twelve apostles to join into some kind of single entity physically...rather that they should be united and one in purpose as the Father and Son are. So, those are two things I have spoke openly about all the time which I know other Christians take great issue with...but I do not believe for an instant that they make me less a Christian because they are clearly stated in the New Testament. In fact, in my opinion, many of the other interpretations were worked out hundreds of years later in various "councils" like the Nicene (325 and 381 years later) when they came to the conclusion and defined them as "one substance", and others councils where the leaders involved were making both religious and political decisions at the time. We believe, based on the scriptures, that one substance interpretation dilutes and changes the nature of our Father and His Son and makes them and their purposes harder to understand...but that is ou interpretation. The key remains that Jesus Chrost, Son of the Father, atoned for our sins and saves us, and is the only path back to God. Which we believe is the essence of faith in Christ and slavation. Anyhow, have a great Sunday.
237 posted on 04/22/2012 7:38:19 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: rawhide
"It will be my last six years in the U.S. Senate,

Sheeeeyit. Isn't 120 years enough? Give somebody else a chance.

Hopefully someone who won't exempt himself or herself from whatever laws he or she pushes on the rest of us.

238 posted on 04/22/2012 7:41:17 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: rawhide

:: he is doing a poor job at representing them. ::

Elected congress-critters and Senators haven’t “represented” anyone or anything other than their self-interest since JFK was POTUS.


239 posted on 04/22/2012 8:11:58 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: DestroyLiberalism

Hatch voted to confirm anti-gun zealot Eric Holder as President Obama’s Attorney General.


240 posted on 04/22/2012 8:12:25 AM PDT by okiejag
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To: Longbow1969

I’ve taken a down view of Mormonism since observing the tactics of Romney and his people. I have grown to dislike this person greatly and have begun looking at his religion as a cult on par with Scientology.

All that can change if a candidate emerges from a Mormon background that has a track record of conservatism.

Romney is a very poor representative for any group.


241 posted on 04/22/2012 8:25:38 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Hostage

This lady may fit the bill. I know Steven Thayne who has been a State Rep and now is running for State Senate here in Idaho is equally conservative.

There are a lot at that level...and the US Congressional reps from Idaho and Utah and Wyoming and such are usually very conservatve.

Although an apointee of Eisenhower, Esra Taft Benson was another very conservative individual as Secretary of Agriculture. He later became President of the Church.

Anyhow here is a Black, Hatian, Mormon who is very conservative who won the GOP Congressional Primary for her district and will now run in November.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/black-conservative-mia-love-wins-utah-gops-4th-congressional-district-nomination/


242 posted on 04/22/2012 10:10:06 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Good to hear. Thanks for the link. Indeed she does look good and serious.


243 posted on 04/22/2012 11:58:46 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: MindBender26
1. Hatch sponsored the Dream Act, but ultimately did not vote for it so it won't show up in his rating.

2. Hatch supported the Food Safety Act, but ultimately did not vote for it so it won't show up in his rating.

3. Hatch caved to Democrats during Memogate, when Republican Senate aid (and Hatch advisor) Manuel Miranda was found to have been viewing Democrat files on an unsecured shared Intelligene Committee server. Never mind that the memo, written by Democrat Senator Jay Rockefeller, was about secret Democrat plans to corrupt the bipartisan Intelligence Committee process by stringing along Republicans until they are ready to:

"Prepare to launch an independent investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority. We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation at any time-- but we can only do so once."

Since there was no vote on this matter, it won't show up in his rating.

4. Hatch was weak during the Clinton impeachment and Senate trial, often publicly offering Clinton a way out.

5. Hatch supported the judicial nominations of Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Steven Breyer. Hatch voted for the nomination of Timothy Geithner for Secretary of Treasury and Eric Holder for Justice. Hatch previously voted to confirm Holder for Clinton's Justice department.

PJ

244 posted on 04/22/2012 12:08:29 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Jeff Head
Ezra's Grandfather helped my GGrandfather make enough money to get Married, lol.
245 posted on 04/22/2012 12:09:13 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: jazusamo

“All these years” is right. This would be the 7th time Hatch has run for Senate. It’s way past time that he has a career change. Senators were never meant to run upteen times. It is the length of time these guys spend in the House and Senate that demoralizes them. They become just like the ones they defeat for office after such lengthly service. Term limits is what is needed.


246 posted on 04/22/2012 12:37:14 PM PDT by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: ASOC

Romney will come in and back Hatch during the general election.


247 posted on 04/22/2012 1:28:49 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Romney barely won in OH with a 12-1 money advantage, he can't beat Obama that way.)
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To: newzjunkey

Ushering thru good judges is huge.

Going back years, Hatch has also gone to bat for those of us all over the country with ‘alternative health beliefs’ that has to fight now and again for our choice of health care.

Not following closely the problem with Hatch here, but the above is what he’s done for many with like minds.


248 posted on 04/22/2012 1:45:42 PM PDT by USARightSide ( SUPPORTING O U R TROOPS)
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To: taildragger

No idea what you are talking about, but CONGRATS! Sounds like a good win for our side!


249 posted on 04/22/2012 1:50:54 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it ain't Newt, we're screwt !)
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To: Longbow1969
If all the screaming belching Mormon haters adopted similar voting habits as the objects of their hatred, the socialist left would be in serious trouble.

I blame this crew for foisting Mitt Romney on us, because the one and only consolation in voting for such a moderate-progressive country clubber is sticking it to this bigoted group.

BTW, I've lived in majority Mormon communities in SE Idaho in a previous life and found them to be great neighbors and very conservative. One of their own, Congressman George Hansen of Idaho, went to prison in order to defang the IRS just a little. Think the IRS is bad now? You should have experiencd it 30 odd years ago before Congressman Hansen held hearings.

250 posted on 04/22/2012 4:05:42 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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