Posted on 04/20/2012 4:36:38 AM PDT by rellimpank
A key moment in George Zimmerman's cellphone call to the Police Department in Sanford, Fla., on the fateful night of Feb. 26 occurs at 7:11:41 p.m., a little more than two minutes into a call that lasts about four minutes.
"He's running," says Zimmerman, referring to the "real suspicious guy" he'd called in to report. Almost immediately you hear on the recording a car door opening and what sounds like a warning beep indicating the key is still in the ignition. Shortly thereafter comes the unmistakable sound of wind blowing into a phone mouthpiece.
Zimmerman is in pursuit! And we all know the outcome: Zimmerman, 28, ultimately shot and killed the unarmed Martin, 17, touching off a national controversy about race, justice and firearms.
But what's often overlooked in all the heated conversations about this tragedy is the actual timeline based on police documents, a timeline that culminated at 7:16:56 p.m., more than five minutes later, with the sound of a single gunshot in the background of a 911 emergency call.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.chicagotribune.com ...
It will also be interesting to find out the precise time that Martin departed the 7-11 store versus the first sighting by Zimmerman.
I have a feeling this will show Martin was loitering in the area, in the rain, when he could have proceeded straight home.
It was weeks before this hit the major news. It's all about "his son" and votes. Disgusting !!
Yes, the night that George Zimmerman, a respected community leader, volunteer, and DEMOCRAT, became the cause celebre for an entire industry of race hustlers. The very same night that turned him from a peaceful citizen into public enemy number one.
This man's life as he knew it is over. He'll never be able to walk the streets without watching his back. He'll never be able to have a drink at a bar with buddies or enjoy his family's company in the general public. His face is plastered across TV sets from Maui to Miami. He'll never get a fair shake ever again.
More yellow journalism.
Yeah, I almost stopped reading there figuring he was another emotionally driven factually barren liberal. He did finish it up fairly though.
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I find it interesting, in several aspects, that GZ only fired one shot.
If I were in a similar situation, I would fire at least twice.
BTW, I am an observant pacifist and do not even harm insects, I pick them up by the wings and escort them outside.
I remember hearing (I don't know if it was from a real source or rumor) that GZ's gun jammed when chambering the next round. Which points to a struggle over the gun.
“Even if he did pick that fight, of course, that didn’t necessarily give Zimmerman the right to shoot him.”
No...George should have allowed Martin to beat him to death.
Then none of these loudmouths would care about who killed who, or why.
Does Zimmerman break off the chase?
By 7:12:15 p.m., the wind noises have stopped and his breathing has returned to normal as he discusses with the police dispatcher where responding officers should meet him. At 7:13:12 p.m. he interjects, “I don’t know where this kid is.”
Where is Martin? At just a normal walking pace of three miles per hour, he would be home by the time Zimmerman hangs up with police at 7:13:41 p.m.
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I can’t believe this is in the Chicago Tribune.
Self Defense. Let GZ
[If I were in a similar situation, I would fire at least twice.]
Yeah, I usally fire two warning shots about mid chest.
Here’s the problem with calling Zimmerman’s actions “pursuit” and “did he break off the chase?”
What was Z’s objective...why did he try to follow M...to HARM him? Absolutely not, but that’s the sinister spin that’s implied by using such words.
The context makes crystal clear he was trying to help the police pinpoint M’s whereabouts, as he considered M a possible break-in waiting to happen, by reason of his observed actions. The fact that he was in contact with the police non-emergency number this whole time shows he wasn’t planning to murder M.
This case is a defense lawyer’s dream.
Because there never should have been a case filed, it’s so bad.
A large part of the media is dreaming about all the reports they could write about race riots, if they can just get some started.
This whole thing is going to shake out sooner or later. I would bet that Zimmerman followed Martin until the 911 dispatcher told him he didn’t need to do that. Then Martin Jumped Zimmerman at or near his vehicle where the struggle ensued. I will bet the Martin’s GF knows a whole lot more then she is telling. She may have even prodded martin to go back and confront Zimmerman (just my speculation) It will be interesting how intensely the defense will press Martins GF. At any rate, I would bet that Zimmerman will get off and the race hustlers will have there excuse to start rioting. The question is, will it happen before or after the election?
A large part of the media is dreaming about all the reports they could write about race riots, if they can just get some started.
Exactly, they want to write about the “Days of Rage” and use that to manipulate the Election coverage. When they did that in 1968 they ended up with Richard Nixon as the new president. What will happen this time? My feeling is that the result they get will not be the result they desire.
Also there may well be additional fall-out in that the MSM will be so discredited that their media and financial empires may crash and burn as the rise of the citizen-journalist becomes the norm. Think about that please... The MSM reporter at the scene is reporting and the Citizen-reporters behind him/in front of him/off to the side of him are reporting something entirely different and have high quality video/sound to back up their reports that are being made available in raw form almost instantaneously.
“BTW, I am an observant pacifist and do not even harm insects, I pick them up by the wings and escort them outside.”
What does an observant pacifist do when he hears screams for help, he rushes into a room and finds an intruder in the process of raping and choking his sister? Just wondering.
After reading the Chicago Tribune blog, assuming the timeline stuff he presents is accurate, here’s what I infer happened - Z chases Trayvon about halfway to the house Trayvon was staying in, Trayvon hides behind some bushes, Z stops when told to by dispatcher, stands or ambles around for three minutes keeping a lookout for Trayvon, who is keeping an eye on Z from hideout, Trayvon gets tired of having to hide from Z, confronts Z, fight ensues, Trayvon gets the upper hand in the fistfight, that’s about it. It’s not so hard to figure out.
What kills me is Zimmerman is being held in jail and the evidence I’ve seen so far prove him innocent. Why hasn’t he been released on bail under his own recognizance? I’d get another lawyer for sure!
Not necessarily.
If the rear of the gun's slide bumped into Zimmerman's body, that would have also interfered with the gun's cycling. If Zimmerman's on the ground trying to fire at an attacker on top of him, it's quite possible that some part of him got in the way of the slide's cycling.
Either way, the lack of cycling is indicative of Zimmerman being in a struggle, and would point towards self-defense by Zimmerman.
I believe he’s going for a bail hearing today.
The lawyer may have felt he was safer in jail at this point.
Hi, Lucas, Sorry, I did not think I needed a sarcasm tag.
True. I was more or less trying to answer the question of why GZ didn’t shoot twice.
As in 1968, I think the more likely scenario will be for many white voters to decide that Dem candidates will not protect them against black violence, and that even white liberals will vote Republican in self-defense.
I’m pretty sure the “gun jammed” story got started when it became known only one shot was fired, one empty brass was found, and Z’s gun was turned over to police officer with an empty chamber and full magazine. If that is all true, that does not indicate that the gun “jammed”.
If the chamber is empty and the clip is full doesn’t it mean that gun didn’t cycle. Hence, jam.
If there was an empty chamber, an ejected shell, and a non-empty magazine, that indicates that either Zimmerman took out the chambered round before handing over the pistol (good firearms practice), or that the gun’s slide went back far enough to extract and eject the spent shell, but not far enough to catch and chamber the next round from the magazine.
No, what it means is Z was carrying with full magazine and bullet in the chamber, gun on safety, manages to get gun out and off safety in struggle, pulls trigger once, gun fires and cycles another bullet into the chamber.
Trayvon slumps, so there you sit, right by the guy you just shot, and you are holding a gun with a live round in the chamber with cops on the way. What do you do?
Drop the magazine out of the gun, jack the live round out of the chamber, and put the round into the magazine, replace magazine into the gun, and you can then hand your gun over without having to hand over a gun with a live round in tne chamber to the officer.
Then Z would have handed his gun over to the police officer with the slide jammed open, which surely would have been noted. Either way, there’s no big mystery, or much that would affect our picture of what happened here that I can think of right off. Maybe a Lawyer could!
That’s a lot of assumption there.
they took a picture of his head.
is there a picture of the gun with the round jammed?
The plan to "hand over a gun" I think is a very bad plan. The officer has no way of knowing whether there is a chambered round or not. It won't matter because the officer will assume that the gun is ready to fire.
If you are ever in such a situation, I recommend that you drop the gun to the ground, in whatever state it is in after the incident, and, if necessary, stand on it while holding both hands up with fingers spread wide to show that you are not holding a weapon. As the police approach to take charge of the scene, you can walk several steps away from the gun so that it is nowhere near you if you are ordered to the ground.
If you leave the gun on you and an officer orders you to "drop the gun", I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up shot dead if you touch the gun.
I'd bet that the recent police shooting of a man coming out of a Las Vegas Costco probably went down that way; with one officer ordering the man to the ground and another ordering him to drop a holstered weapon. Touching the weapon, under the orders of one officer, would then prompt the other officer or officers to open fire.
Of course, I didn’t mean literally hand over. Perhaps I should have said, “point to that gun on the ground over there and inform the officer of the gun’s readiness or condition to discharge if were to be handled”.
IDK. In my initial post I said that I didn’t know if it was rumor or fact. I was just answering a question on why He didn’t shoot twice.
Snips from the article:
7:11:41 p.m “He’s running” says Zimmerman
7:11:56 p.m “Are you following him?” asks the police dispatcher
7:12:15 p.m. the wind noises have stopped and his breathing has returned to normal as he discusses with the police dispatcher where responding officers should meet him
7:13:12 p.m. he interjects, “I don’t know where this kid is.”
7:13:41 p.m. Zimmerman hangs up with police
7:16:11 p.m. first 911 emergency calls from neighbors reporting their fight
7:16:56 p.m., more than five minutes after Trayvon starts running, sound of a single gunshot in the background of a 911
***fatal altercation between Zimmerman and Martin takes place only about 80 yards from Zimmerman’s vehicle — 100 yards from the home where Martin was staying
*** 7:13:12 p.m. he interjects, “I don’t know where this kid is.”..... Where is Martin? At just a normal walking pace of three miles per hour, he would be home by the time Zimmerman hangs up with police at 7:13:41 p.m.
Now that you mention it, Mormon Mittens is a lot like Quaker Nixon. They are both RINOs with weird religions, not afraid to lie at the drop of a hat. Despite being Republican-lite the press absolutely despised old white man Nixon, and they will despise President Mittens. Nixon is what caused the leftist media to come out of the closet. From then on news reporting became a magnet for narcissists seeking to become political activist stars working to destroy the culture of American wealth and success.
Carter II was an opportunity for a Reagan II to get elected. Instead we're getting Nixon II.
Have you watched the videos explaining why you should never talk to the police?
Here in Kalifornia we are legally required to register handguns. That means that the gun can be traced to a particular person, assuming it is registered.
I don't know the law in Florida, but Zimmerman might have been well served by saying absolutely nothing. The prosecutors might then be faced with reasonable doubt about whether Martin or Zimmerman brought the gun to the scene. (An empty holster might give the game away, however.)
As it is, Zimmerman has made many statements and anything that he has said that seems to conflict with the physical evidence or testimony from witnesses, however much mistaken, can, will, and is being used against him. Anything he had to say could have been communicated through his lawyer.
Hadn’t thought of that.
Figured if the cop asked if the gun that I’d just used in self defense laying there on the gound, no longer in my hand so the cops wouldn’t see me as a threat, was ready to fire, I’d have told them whether there was a live round in the chamber or not.
Learn somethin’ new every day.
If I’m ever in that situation, I guess I’ll just stand there with my hands up like a deafmute then.
The most striking example that I recall was of a suspect claiming to have been out of town. A witness with no stake in the situation and who was considered reliable reported, mistakenly, having seen the suspect in town just before the crime was committed.
Had the suspect remained silent, there would have been no evidentiary value to having been seen in town. However, by claiming not to have been in town, the suspect created a conflict in statements which brought the suspect's truthfulness into question.
I am the same way in letting insects out except I carry 24/7 and will shoot anyone who attacks me.
Pacifism cannot be absolute in this world.....there are people who will kill you without thinking twice.
I'd bet real foldin money on that...a month's salary. I can even hear the words (In a whiney voice): "If you don't kick that cracker's ass, you can forget gettin' nothin' from me. You ain't a man!"
IMHO, with all the racial stereotypes out there and despite all the claims of “white racism,” Zimmerman doesn’t look like a “cracker” at all. He looks and sounds Latino. This happened in Florida. If Sanford is as bad as many here are claiming, maybe Martin thought he was being followed by a gangbanger (MS-13). Anyway, that’s been this freeper’s opinion from the beginning - that they both were suspicious of each other, but Zimmerman set the events in motion.
The expended brass was still in the chamber. Gun never cycled, indicating Trayvon had a strong grip on it, preventing the slide from cycling.
Someone pointed out that seizing a gun like that is a grappling skill taught in prison, among other places .... it will absolutely prevent a revolver from firing.
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