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Mark Levin: The Speech Romney Should Give.
http://spectator.org/blog/2012/04/17/mark-levin-the-speech-romney-s ^ | April 17, 2012 | Jeffrey Lord

Posted on 04/18/2012 11:04:11 AM PDT by true believer forever

I saw this posted on Real Clear Politics, and it's worth a listen by the Romney people.

It's an audio of Mark Levin on "The Speech Romney Should Give."

Governor Romney gave a speech to a group of wealthy supporters and made the classic moderate Republican mistake of dissing "true believers" -- i.e., conservatives.

Somebody on Team Romney needs to have a discussion on conservatives with the candidate. The Governor is clearly a smart guy, a good man and he would be head and shoulders a better president than his soon-to-be opponent.

But if this attitude persists it can either lose an election that shouldn't be lost… or lose an administration that will need every last bit of conservative support to succeed.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


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There is something unethical, even immoral going on with the so-called conservative media regarding Romney. Rush and Mark Levin have taken to serving as Romney's on-air consultancy; which is translated, they are trying to telegraph talking points, position statements, and ideas that Romney needs to articulate to appeal to the base. Including the speech noted in the article, which Mark Levin gave with the hope Mitt Romney's people were listening.

It is one thing to fall into line with the GOP, that may be a matter of fear, or protecting oneself from retribution. But to try and pimp Romney out as a conservative, and to give him the camouflage and apply the make-up for him to deceive the base, and become acceptable to them is far short of what I would have expected from either of these so-called conservative media leaders. I believe Sean Hannity is in on the extreme Romney makeover, also.

NEWT! The Last Conservative Standing. He doesn't need coaching or consultants to talk conservatism FROM THE HEART...

BEWARE.

1 posted on 04/18/2012 11:04:15 AM PDT by true believer forever
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To: true believer forever
Romney has no more understanding of Conservatism than does Obama. They are both very much alike ~ and even belong to very similar religious bodies.

Melanin really doesn't make much difference ~ when it comes to a--Holes

2 posted on 04/18/2012 11:07:27 AM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: true believer forever
Mark Levin pleads to the severe RINO to be otherwise.

He would have a better likelihood of
pleading to a rotting piece of meat to be 'fresh'.

Seamus (thought previously hiding in Canada):
“I’m coming to save you. Mitt is on the West Coast.”

3 posted on 04/18/2012 11:11:06 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: holdonnow

Ping


4 posted on 04/18/2012 11:14:13 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Diogenesis

Oh, no! I am laughing and upset with myself that I am laughing, as I actually find the words and pics VERY disturbing... Oh, no! I think I am getting perverse, and I haven’t been in politics that long...


5 posted on 04/18/2012 11:16:13 AM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: true believer forever

All for Newt, but the fact is barring an unusual occurrence, this is over. Mark has been trying to coax the Romney campaign to be more effective for the past couple weeks since it became apparent he was going to win it.

Politics is a mix of idealism and realism....we have to be real, and Levin is dealing with the reality that Mitt is all but certain to be the standard-bearer.


6 posted on 04/18/2012 11:17:19 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: muawiyah
Romney has no more understanding of Conservatism than does Obama. They are both very much alike ~ and even belong to very similar religious bodies.

Melanin really doesn't make much difference ~ when it comes to a--Holes

RE "Romney has no more understanding of Conservatism than does Obama."

That is true, and that makes it all the worse that conservatives are trying to put him in a conservative dress...

7 posted on 04/18/2012 11:18:53 AM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: true believer forever

Take your Newt crap and stuff it. Levin is not pimping out Romney.

I listened to him the night Santorum dropped out. Levin basically said, to the Romney people, look, you fools, you have destroyed the Reagan coalition with your relentlessly negative ads. Unless you find a way to restore that coalition, you will lose the election in the fall.

1. You better find a truly conservative running mate. (Translated, don’t even think of choosing Christie).

2. You broke the coalition. It’s your job to put it together again. And it won’t be easy. So you better start listening to conservatives now.

Or else you will lose in November.

That’s not pimping out Romney. That’s warning Romney that he may have won the nomination but he will lose in the fall if he doesn’t take certain steps.

Levin has made it abundantly clear that he has little use for Romney. He doesn’t think we can survive four more years of Obama. So he is taking deliberate, intelligent steps to try to avoid that.

Levin is taking the small space left to us and doing what he can with it. He is not falling in line with the GOP establishment. He has done everything except that. And for you to accuse him of it is despicable.

It may be more fun to whistle past the graveyard. Patriots try to make lemonade out of lemons.

The pimping accusation is calumny against Levin. He has been consistent in his anyone but Romney stance as long as there was “anyone.”


8 posted on 04/18/2012 11:22:14 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: ilgipper
All for Newt, but the fact is barring an unusual occurrence, this is over. Mark has been trying to coax the Romney campaign to be more effective for the past couple weeks since it became apparent he was going to win it.

Politics is a mix of idealism and realism....we have to be real, and Levin is dealing with the reality that Mitt is all but certain to be the standard-bearer.

Okay, 2 questions for you:

1. What if for the past two weeks, while there are still 1/2 of the primaries remaining, what if levin, rush, all the others, jumped into the breach and said, NO!, we are all going to get behind the last conservative standing, and we are not going to let them choose our candidate. Would that count as an "unusual occurrence" as you call it?

2. What is going to happen when and if Romney is elected, and the liberal socialist Romney shows up in WH, because nobody really knows which romney they are electing. What will that mean regarding the people who painted him all up with conservative colors and dishonestly presented him to the base? Do you consider that a principled thing for them to do?

I know you don't have to answer, but I really would like to hear your thoughts, because I am grappling bigtime with all this...

9 posted on 04/18/2012 11:24:31 AM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: ilgipper

That’s the self-fulfilling prophecy you are trying to sell, on behalf of Mitt.


10 posted on 04/18/2012 11:28:54 AM PDT by ngat
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To: true believer forever

“Well the Republican establishment got its way,” Levin said. “The Republican establishment has won yet again. Some of you are very upset about it. Some of you are self-delusional — not many. Some of you are thinking, ‘Well, what you mean? This is conservatism.’ No it’s not. Just because you’re not Obama doesn’t mean you’re a conservative or a constitutionalist.”

But instead of dwelling on the pros and cons of Romney, Levin encouraged his listeners to focus on defeating President Barack Obama in the upcoming election.

“But in this election, ladies and gentlemen, we have to be realists,” he continued. “And the reality is this country will not survive as free — our private property rights will be incredibly diminished; our Constitution will be abused daily; you will be more frustrated than ever before with fewer liberties and fewer rights than ever before — if we do not defeat Barack Obama. It’s that simple. There’s nothing complex about this.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/10/mark-levin-on-santorums-exit-the-republican-establishment-got-its-way/#ixzz1sPxlgyqt


11 posted on 04/18/2012 11:30:06 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("For the sake of our party we must stand united, whoever our nominee is."-Sarah Palin)
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To: true believer forever

We need to send a message to Romney and Levin: Actions speak louder than words.


12 posted on 04/18/2012 11:30:58 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Socialism: Just say no.)
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To: true believer forever

Levin is the perfect example of good men who allow FEAR to affect their judgement. What Levin has written, no longer applies as his actions have now spoken volumes. This is just pitiful. What a betrayal to conservatism.

Anybody want to buy a couple of books?

Keep applying the lipstick Mark...........


13 posted on 04/18/2012 11:32:35 AM PDT by billys kid (saying that there are too many children, is like saying that there are too many flowers Mother Tresa)
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To: true believer forever

Mark Levin, trying to put some lipstick on that lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal Pig that is Mitt Romney.

How far have the mighty fallen.


14 posted on 04/18/2012 11:33:22 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: true believer forever
I will NEVER vote for a liberal posing as a Republican for as long as I live. I don't care if Armageddon is on the line (which may be the case here) I WON'T DO IT!

The last time I voted for a liberal posing as a Republican was when I voted for this idiot for Mayor in 2001 here in New York city because at the time he seemed the best choice and was endorsed by Rudy Guliani who I once respected....

Now here I am over 10 years later living under Despotism with this psychopath the Despot issuing edicts almost everyday.

The Constitution - Gone! (only out of state OWS protestors and Muslims who want to bring grief to the 911 families have constitutional rights it seems) Individual freedoms -Gone! Property rights - Gone! Privacy - Gone! My money - Gone! - every week to support welfare breeding cows. How the private sector wants to conduct legal business - Gone! How people want to spend their night out - Gone! How people want to eat - Gone! How people want to drink - Gone! How people want to do anything - GONE GONE GONE!

We are only allowed to do what the Depot allows us to do!

Today he issued another decree that all apartment building owners must send a list to the city of all the apartments in the building that "has smoking"...In other words "tell us who is smoking"...AKA the Nazi decree "tell us how many Jews are in your tenement".

And this is just the tip of the iceberg with this absolute freakin psychopath. A few months ago he wanted to ban booze! That's right, PROHIBITION! Oh yes, then he confiscated food donated to the homeless because he did not deem it "nutritious". Oh yes and if you miss paying a couple parking tickets from his traffic scams, say goodbye to your car which has happened to me TWICE already. That's right, your property is stolen by the city of New Yor because you were foolish to leave it parked in the street LEGALLY or what use to be legally.

Oh yes, and TERM LIMITS?? Forget about that! The Despot is able to do away with that and make himself RULER FOR LIFE!

THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU VOTE FOR A LIBERAL POSING AS A REUBLICAN. ALWAYS CHECK OUT A CANDIDATES HISTORY! This a-hole was from Assachussets and I would have NEVER have voted for him if I knew that because like my Grandma use to tell me "Never trust a politician from Assachussets(which is how she use to pronounce it)"...My God, she was so right.

15 posted on 04/18/2012 11:36:17 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between lose and loose.)
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To: Houghton M.

There was, and his name is Newt Gingrich.


16 posted on 04/18/2012 11:38:45 AM PDT by billys kid (saying that there are too many children, is like saying that there are too many flowers Mother Tresa)
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To: true believer forever

bm


17 posted on 04/18/2012 11:39:52 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (the DNC/RNC = D.C. Establishment...an Brazilian saying: $AME OLD $H!T, W!TH D!FFERENT FL!E$. :^)
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To: Houghton M.
Take your Newt crap and stuff it. Levin is not pimping out Romney.

I listened to him the night Santorum dropped out. Levin basically said, to the Romney people, look, you fools, you have destroyed the Reagan coalition with your relentlessly negative ads. Unless you find a way to restore that coalition, you will lose the election in the fall.

1. You better find a truly conservative running mate. (Translated, don’t even think of choosing Christie).

2. You broke the coalition. It’s your job to put it together again. And it won’t be easy. So you better start listening to conservatives now.

Or else you will lose in November.

That’s not pimping out Romney. That’s warning Romney that he may have won the nomination but he will lose in the fall if he doesn’t take certain steps.

Levin has made it abundantly clear that he has little use for Romney. He doesn’t think we can survive four more years of Obama. So he is taking deliberate, intelligent steps to try to avoid that.

Levin is taking the small space left to us and doing what he can with it. He is not falling in line with the GOP establishment. He has done everything except that. And for you to accuse him of it is despicable.

It may be more fun to whistle past the graveyard. Patriots try to make lemonade out of lemons.

The pimping accusation is calumny against Levin. He has been consistent in his anyone but Romney stance as long as there was “anyone.”

I stated my thoughts clearly and without name calling, and you don't need to call me names.

All you say about Levin despising Romney is true in so far as what I have heard say as much, but the undeniable fact is, when you supposedly despise someone as much as you say Levin does romney, then how do you get on the air, and tell your listeners, we have to work together to pull out a victory for Romney.

He had said he would support Romney when he was the nominee. The primaries are still ongoing, and because Levin and many others have declared romney the winner, doesn't make it so.

Don't demean people who support Newt. I plan on supporting Romney IF he is the nominee, I consider that my duty to my country. But there is still a chance... you might not agree, but don't dismiss those who do...

One of my posts a few days ago follows. It basically says that Patriots do other things rather than making lemonade from lemons. They cannon back the lemons to those advocating for them... There are many definitions of Patriots, friend. Trying to present Romney as a conservative, is not one of them. Sorry.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2872571/posts

While everyone is in the weeds counting delegates and wondering who Santorum will endorse (it will be Romney), few people are talking about the degree to which the GOP will be emboldened if Romney gets the nomination. It will be a sign to them they can get the evangelical, social and fiscal conservatives to fall in line, all they have to do is wait them out.

A few days ago, Mark Levin said he was disgusted with the Republican establishment, right after he said, 'we conservatives have to work together to pull out a victory for Mitt Romney’, just one of the presumed conservatives who have fallen in line with the GOP this past week. Establishment Republicans now know without a doubt that the base, its leaders and luminaries, can get to the point of total disgust with the GOP, and they will still fall in line.

Last cycle, Huckabee helped split the conservative vote, and make a path for the squishy one. This time it's Romney in the it’s my turn circle… Next year it will be Santorum. And Santorum will be sufficiently and properly neutered if he gets his turn next, count on it.

And where is last cycle’s Santorum, Mike Huckabee, who played the evangelicals big time in 2008, right now? Hosting a radio show competing with Rush.

We are at the breach, and there is still time, though barely. If people like Levin, DeMint, Sarah, etc., would jump in now – and they won’t – grab this moment, secure it and swing it back full bore at the GOP, the King Georgers would get a message loud and clear, they can't take the base for granted. And maybe the next time they think about trying their Karl Rove Gambit, they won't.

We can't look for help or expect anyone with power to give us a hand. We can either stand up and get in the battle, or hand the GOP another reward, a compliant conservative base, whom the GOP already despises and take for granted. "The only thing holding us back right now is intimidation over the giants we face. They are not bigger than we are if we stand together." ~ butterdezillion

18 posted on 04/18/2012 11:40:27 AM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: Houghton M.

Well, you can take your Romney propoganda and stick it where the sun don’t shine.

We still have a primary going on where almost half the country has not had their say, nor have the delegates at the convention had a chance to discuss this and vote on this Romney nomination idiocy, and you come bloviating and calling people names because they object to abandoning the conservative that stayed in this race?

I listen to Levin too, and he he raised the white flag about four months early, and a lot of conservatives know it. I don’t need you interpreting for me what Levin did and is doing, and it is a big mistake.

So, the ex-Speaker of the House who led the conservative takeover of the House in 1994 and the House itself and pretty much the conservative movement, until the Bonior/ Boehner group ousted him, is not “anyone”?

Stuff it, yourself.


19 posted on 04/18/2012 11:45:33 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
We need to send a message to Romney and Levin: Actions speak louder than words.

And words and words and words. Do the conservative media and leaders really think if they can get Romney to act and talk like a conservative that is going to make him one? Because, in its clearest, that is the only way you can explain what they are doing. They aren't nudging him to the right, like they seem to believe they are, they are giving him the correct talking points that will make him appear he has moved to the right, so as to appeal to the base, but nothing will have changed inside him. It is just a script. Barack Obama could read it if he had to... surely they understand that.

20 posted on 04/18/2012 11:45:43 AM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: true believer forever

I heard that on Levin’s show. The trouble is, nobody with half a brain would believe Romney means it.


21 posted on 04/18/2012 11:48:16 AM PDT by Ingtar (When I donate to FR, it does not take the money and run as every politician I donate to does)
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To: true believer forever
There is something unethical, even immoral going on with the so-called conservative media regarding Romney. Rush and Mark Levin have taken to serving as Romney's on-air consultancy; which is translated, they are trying to telegraph talking points, position statements, and ideas that Romney needs to articulate to appeal to the base.

You write that as if this was a new thing happening....

22 posted on 04/18/2012 11:50:37 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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To: ngat
Well, you can take your Romney propoganda and stick it where the sun don’t shine.

We still have a primary going on where almost half the country has not had their say, nor have the delegates at the convention had a chance to discuss this and vote on this Romney nomination idiocy, and you come bloviating and calling people names because they object to abandoning the conservative that stayed in this race?

I listen to Levin too, and he he raised the white flag about four months early, and a lot of conservatives know it. I don’t need you interpreting for me what Levin did and is doing, and it is a big mistake.

So, the ex-Speaker of the House who led the conservative takeover of the House in 1994 and the House itself and pretty much the conservative movement, until the Bonior/ Boehner group ousted him, is not “anyone”?

Stuff it, yourself.

In its simplest form, beside GOP establishment power, this is Newt hating. I am a fervent Newt supporter, but if it were exactly reversed now, and Santorum were standing where Newt is, battered, bruised, nearly broke but standing tall, I would get in a boatload of anti-emetics, talk to myself hard and long, and do what I had to to get the last conservative standing to the convention with a chance. And I don't want to describe how much I can't stand Santorum, but I would do it for my country and for conservative principles. And I am a nobody, these are prominent people who should know what message they are sending about giving up and giving in...

23 posted on 04/18/2012 11:53:16 AM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: true believer forever

Conservative Republicans like Levin are the Frog, Romney is the Scorpion.


A scorpion wanted to cross a river, so he asked the frog to carry him. The frog refused because the scorpion would sting him.

“That would not be logical,” explained the scorpion, “because if I sting you we will both drown.”

So the frog agreed to carry the scorpion.

Half way across, the frog felt a terrible pain - the scorpion had stung him.

“There is no logic in this,” exclaimed the frog, as he began to sink beneath the waves.

“I know,” replied the scorpion, “but I cannot help it - it is my character.”


24 posted on 04/18/2012 11:53:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Mark Levin, trying to put some lipstick on that lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal Pig that is Mitt Romney.

You missed the whole context. Levin introduced this notional speech with the point that Romney has not and maybe cannot make the case for free markets, liberty, capitalism, and freedom. Perhaps he doesn't believe it, but either way he has not made the case effectively. And Levin said if he can't, he will lose. So he suggested Romney start talking like this and gave this little speech. Hardly pimping Romney, basically the opposite.

25 posted on 04/18/2012 11:55:25 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: true believer forever
"NEWT! The Last Conservative Standing."

If one is to be so pure about 'conservatives' that it causes a label to be placed on Levin and Rush as "so-called conservatives", then one can dig up sufficient "quotes" and "positions" (on one called "Newt Gingrich") to make it laughable to state: "NEWT! The Last Conservative Standing."

26 posted on 04/18/2012 11:56:26 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: billys kid
Levin is the perfect example of good men who allow FEAR to affect their judgement.

You are delusional. He is dealing with reality, not fantasy.

Keep applying the lipstick Mark...........

You couldn't shine Levin's shoes.

27 posted on 04/18/2012 11:58:21 AM PDT by montag813
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To: true believer forever
Re Levin and Rush . . . do you think it could have anything to do with Bain owning Clear Channel? As I understand it, Clear Channel is privately held by Bain and Thomas H. Lee LP.

I would hate to think there was a connection . . . :(

28 posted on 04/18/2012 11:59:52 AM PDT by maryz
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To: billys kid
Levin is the perfect example of good men who allow FEAR to affect their judgement. What Levin has written, no longer applies as his actions have now spoken volumes. This is just pitiful. What a betrayal to conservatism.

Anybody want to buy a couple of books?

Keep applying the lipstick Mark...........

I read a post on another thread to the effect, how does Mark Levin ever read another quote from the founding fathers again? It's like he doesn't see the disconnect between what all the Founding Fathers stood for, what they sacrificed, how much courage they continually displayed, not courage talked about, courage acted upon; the disconnect between all that and what the conservative media are doing. They aren't making a stand. That's what a lot of people don't understand. They didn't even make a stand, they just flipped. That is the disconnect, and I don't understand it.

29 posted on 04/18/2012 12:00:08 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: pepsi_junkie
You missed the whole context. Levin introduced this notional speech with the point that Romney has not and maybe cannot make the case for free markets, liberty, capitalism, and freedom. Perhaps he doesn't believe it, but either way he has not made the case effectively. And Levin said if he can't, he will lose. So he suggested Romney start talking like this and gave this little speech. Hardly pimping Romney, basically the opposite.

I didn't miss a thing.

Actions, most times, speak louder than mere words.

Mark Levin became nothing more than a surrender monkey when he threw in the towel and kissed the GOP-E's butt by saying it was over when there were 46% of the remaining delegates to be won in the GOP Primaries.

Let me repeat that for you, Mark Levin is a surrender monkey.
30 posted on 04/18/2012 12:05:02 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: true believer forever

The best thing Romney could do right now is resign


31 posted on 04/18/2012 12:06:42 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Houghton M.

“Take your Newt crap and stuff it.”

You and people like you can take your Romney crap and stuff it.


32 posted on 04/18/2012 12:07:19 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: true believer forever

I believe the answer to your question is two fold:

1. On the day Santorum dropped out, Newt hit bottom in the polls. Rush and company would have been putting it on the line for someone who appeared to have no chance.

2. Rush, for one, keeps saying that it is not his job to make people glom onto a candidate, it is the candidate’s job. If they cannot figure out how to win among Republicans, how can they win in the fall?

Next Tuesday, unless Newt can find a miracle, Romney is now poised to pick up 231 (or most of 231) hard delegates. I really think that Santorum was not only losing money, but he looked at the polls and decided the best he was going to do in Pennsylvania was a split, with the other 200 delegates going to Romney. Wisconsin really had become make or break for him.

I have a question for those following Newt the closest: it seemed that the Newt PAC spent most of its money on bashing Santorum (here in Tennessee at least). Is that why Newt’s sugar daddy did not jump in with more cash two weeks ago when it might have helped?


33 posted on 04/18/2012 12:07:36 PM PDT by Ingtar (When I donate to FR, it does not take the money and run as every politician I donate to does)
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To: SoConPubbie
Mark Levin, trying to put some lipstick on that lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal Pig that is Mitt Romney.

How far have the mighty fallen.

I truly believe Mark Levin is a conservative giant, I believe his mind, his writings, his legal foundation work are unlike any other in the conservative world. I think Ameritopia is a book for the ages, for the ages. I don't believe we right now even sufficiently recognize that contribution until the future becomes the present. He is prescient and brilliant.

I am responsible for many many personal friends and families buying his books, supporting his charities, discovering him and listening to him regularly. And they are besides themselves.

It is precisely because I see him as all those exceptional things that this is so devastating. Especially to military who listen to him. I am from a military family and this is the equivalent of getting off the battlefield and going home early. There was time to fight for Newt, love him or hate him, there was time to fight for Newt and conservative prinicples, instead he and others embarked on making Mitt over, and nothing is going to change Romney from who he is, no matter how many stage cues he takes.

34 posted on 04/18/2012 12:10:29 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: true believer forever

Those talking heads are always talking admiringly and writing books about the founding of this nation and the Declaration and call themselves the Defender of the Constitution, and saying the people need to emulate the the Founding Fathers and calling each other Great Americans, ad nauseum, but when the going gets tough, they all start running away from the line of fire.

They have no loyalty to the other conservatives that live in other parts of this nation, or who are working for some other conservative than the one they themselves have chosen to support. If their own chosen conservative loses, they want to pick up their marbles and go home, or throw in with the big-wigs! They do not support the convention system with its grass-roots-based orderly pattern of decision-making which mirrors our democratic-republican form of government.

These guys are into top-down control of the little people nearly as much as the socialists are!


35 posted on 04/18/2012 12:14:51 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Houghton M.

You seem to be missing the point. The role of a talk show host is not to give advice or otherwise mold a candidate into something they are not.

To try to give advice to Romney on how to “act” Conservative is to attempt to teach my pet pig to sing.

What many of us are disappointed about is that Levin was standing up for conservative constitutional principles in ripping Mittens and rightfully so..

No matter if Mark claims that he will now continue to “hold Romney’s feet to the fire”..an about face and a cop out and he knows it. That’s why he sounds defeatest lately.
Why he bailed is between him and his conscience.

We are now rudderless in the land of gullible conservative talk show hosts. And as they are human, we can’t expect them to rescue us and we are smarter and more informed than most of them anyway..
We the People will have to find our own way to fight the good fight for the future of our Republic.


36 posted on 04/18/2012 12:19:39 PM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: Ingtar
I believe the answer to your question is two fold:

1. On the day Santorum dropped out, Newt hit bottom in the polls. Rush and company would have been putting it on the line for someone who appeared to have no chance.

2. Rush, for one, keeps saying that it is not his job to make people glom onto a candidate, it is the candidate’s job. If they cannot figure out how to win among Republicans, how can they win in the fall?

Next Tuesday, unless Newt can find a miracle, Romney is now poised to pick up 231 (or most of 231) hard delegates. I really think that Santorum was not only losing money, but he looked at the polls and decided the best he was going to do in Pennsylvania was a split, with the other 200 delegates going to Romney. Wisconsin really had become make or break for him.

I have a question for those following Newt the closest: it seemed that the Newt PAC spent most of its money on bashing Santorum (here in Tennessee at least). Is that why Newt’s sugar daddy did not jump in with more cash two weeks ago when it might have helped?

RE 1. On the day Santorum dropped out, Newt hit bottom in the polls. Rush and company would have been putting it on the line for someone who appeared to have no chance.

The first RCP average since Santorum dropped out, now has Newt at 19%... 19%, I have to admit, is not great. It is close to 20% though, which is close to 1/4... And that is with a total media blackout of his campaign going on...

You may need to check the source of those ads, because Newt really ran very few, if any, anti-Santorum ads. I think one, which was pretty generic, and not debasing at all.

I do know in Tennessee, the night before the primary, Newt's state campaign manager and 2 other of his other state staffers, defected to Rick. And took their delegates with them. Many thousands of people in TENN who had voted for Newt, long before the primary, had their votes go to Santorum. It was a low-down thing to do, especially for someone who touted himself as the only good principled conservative running. And when you the state GOP doing shenanigans like that, who knows what else went on behind the scenes.

I know Newt's last polls before the vote were very positive for Newt, and I have read that his internal polls are brutal and leave no room for optimism unless it is truly warranted.

Rush has been stealthily supporting Romney for months now, almost from the start. He won't put himself on the line and do it forthrightly, at least Mark Levin did that. For instance, today he said Romney was positively surprising him these last few days.

37 posted on 04/18/2012 12:21:17 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: true believer forever
The alleged Conservatives who think they have the best chance to win with Romney have gotten greedy.

They think Obama's position is weak so with the right candidate it's a sure thing.

They are afraid of risk.

At the same time Obama is weak when faced with any candidate except one who is not different from him.

Just the fall off in Republican votes will end up putting Obama back in power.

38 posted on 04/18/2012 12:29:28 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: ngat
Those talking heads are always talking admiringly and writing books about the founding of this nation and the Declaration and call themselves the Defender of the Constitution, and saying the people need to emulate the the Founding Fathers and calling each other Great Americans, ad nauseum, but when the going gets tough, they all start running away from the line of fire.

They have no loyalty to the other conservatives that live in other parts of this nation, or who are working for some other conservative than the one they themselves have chosen to support. If their own chosen conservative loses, they want to pick up their marbles and go home, or throw in with the big-wigs! They do not support the convention system with its grass-roots-based orderly pattern of decision-making which mirrors our democratic-republican form of government.

These guys are into top-down control of the little people nearly as much as the socialists are!

I have a little group of young grassrooters I supervise, and they were feeling a little down at how the coronation of Romney was beginning in earnest, so I posted this to them on Friday morning - and they are feeling much better, and have a skip in their step once again.

If you have need of a little encouragement while you keep working for Newt, I hope this helps atleast a litte.

"TRUE COLORS TIME"

If you listened closely to Sarah tonight on Levin’s program, she was pretty much endorsing Romney. I suspect she will hold her cards, won’t jump into the fray until the convention, where she will get maximum exposure for her particular agenda. And then she will play the good citizen role and support Romney. I’ve been worried about her since she showed up so ungraciously during the summer to rain on the parade of some of the more conservative candidates…

The same applies to her as everyone else... Not fighting, not helping Newt right now, is the same as voting for Obama.

I want you to think about something... if all these people, who call themselves conservative, who want to be thought of as conservative, all joined together – from Limbaugh – to Sarah – to Bachmann, and all the others – and in one voice said, No, we won’t, and worked their hearts out for Newt, starting this moment right now - instead of CYAing it; there would be no doubt who the next President would be. It would be Newt. It will still be Newt. But look what they are doing, look at the maneuvering, the shifting, the caving. In the space of a week the conservative world – political and otherwise – has become a cluster of Bart Stupak clones.

Even Santorum, what did he do? Faced with possible/probable defeat, he caved, he ran home. He didn’t like the amount of debt he was accumulating. He couldn’t see the math allowing him victory. So. He. Quit.

How does Mark Levin – any of them – ever complain about or criticize Boehner again? Or McConnell, or the Republican establishment? They are just as weak and spineless, just as compromised now.

True Colors Time.

America flickers, a lighthouse about to be engulfed by darkness. People are folding caving collapsing all around us, and we are being chided for not being realists…

Realists on the banks of the Delaware would have tried to convince those First Patriots it was too cold, too dark, too much ice; the pragmatic thing was to wait for another day when conditions were better, the risks not so great…

Exactly who is behaving like George Washington right now? And who are the cowards?

Next time..

Four years from now, they will look back and call these times carefree, like the play of children. It will never be easier than it is right now. Next time, it will be harder. Where will the repurposed courage come from then?

It is always going to require biting down hard while terror circuits through you – facing annihilation; not facing impossible mathematical odds, facing annihilation.

Who will there be then to face down the kind of raw fear that cakes the back of the throat and jellies out muscles and nerves? Who? And where will they be found?

They have Newt now... experienced, battle hard, for the most part fearless, doesn’t know how to quit. There is no one else now; there never was. There will be no one else the next time, if there is a next time; because next time, not even a Newt will be sufficient.

The fainting conservatives see the GOP establishment, its power, everywhere and deep, arrayed around them, able to twist events and turn people to their will – the same way that American soldier saw the British fleet in Boston Harbor - as if all of London was afloat before his eyes.

Yet they carried on. A rag tag bunch, one step ahead of annihilation. It should be a song in your hearts by now.

They carried on and today I am writing to you about them. And their True Colors Time. I know everyone around us is fainting, finding excuses for fainting, trying to make their fainting seem purposed - or holy - pragmatic. But, they are still just fainting.

Fret not.

Faint not.

Fear not.

NEWT GINGRICH... The Last Conservative Standing. He Deserves Your Very Best.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2873017/posts

39 posted on 04/18/2012 12:29:33 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
You write that as if this was a new thing happening....

You got it. For me, it is. At least as far as Mark Levin goes, and some of the others who I thought were exceptional and principle-based.

40 posted on 04/18/2012 12:31:06 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: true believer forever

Get real. Santorum was the last true conservative standing with 11 state wins and over 3 million votes cast. He unfortunately withdrew for family reasons and lack of cash. Newt is not even in the game. He’s polling in single digits. At this point what Gingrich says or does is of no consequence. We need to make the best of a bad situation and concentrate on the VP choice. Gingrich himself says he plans to influence the party platform and has conceded that Romney is the likely nominee. This game is over. We need to stop eating our own like Levin, Rush, and Hannity. This is now a salvage operation. Every conservative knows this. The delegate and pollng numbers tell the story. It’s anybody but Obama. Period.


41 posted on 04/18/2012 12:34:47 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: GeronL
The best thing Romney could do right now is resign

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.... Somebody more optimistic than me!! I love you!

42 posted on 04/18/2012 12:37:57 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: true believer forever
The First Patriots who carried General Washington across the Delaware, with his Army, to attack the Brits, never found anything too cold, too dark, or having too much ice.

They were naturally resistant to the cold, and their night vision was vastly improved over that of others, and as for ice, they could slide right along, ever upright.

They'd marched barefoot into Valley Forge ~ and they could have marched back up the way just as barefoot.

Their brothers, cousins, fathers and sons had fought bravely in the Flying Geese to protect Washington and his Army as they retreated from New York.

They never surrendered.

43 posted on 04/18/2012 12:38:19 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: Steelfish
Get real. Santorum was the last true conservative standing with 11 state wins and over 3 million votes cast. He unfortunately withdrew for family reasons and lack of cash. Newt is not even in the game. He’s polling in single digits. At this point what Gingrich says or does is of no consequence. We need to make the best of a bad situation and concentrate on the VP choice. Gingrich himself says he plans to influence the party platform and has conceded that Romney is the likely nominee. This game is over. We need to stop eating our own like Levin, Rush, and Hannity. This is now a salvage operation. Every conservative knows this. The delegate and pollng numbers tell the story. It’s anybody but Obama. Period.

You know, your "man" caved, picked up his marbles and went home, he didn't like the amount of debt he was accumulating, is how he put it. Guess what? I doubt Newt likes the amount of debt he is accumulating, but he's still in and he's still fighting, and if you had any sense, you'd be trying to help him, instead of being held captive by your Newt hate, and Santorum obsession.

There is a principled conservative still in the race, whether you want to admit to it or not.

You live with your conscience, I'll live with mine.

44 posted on 04/18/2012 12:42:57 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: montag813

Bwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Levin has chosen to support an abortion loving, homosexual pushing liar. In other words a man who has commited crimes against humanity. You know? Those little Baby’s. And has loosed those deviant sexual preditors upon innocent children. That’s right, close your eyes and this truth will suddenly disapear!

And I’m delusional?

Who the hell raises a white flag before the battle has even begun? LIFE is the first domino, and if you knock that down everything else will fall with it.
Levin could have just as easily supported Newt period.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You couldn’t shine Levin’s shoes.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Why would I want to? Is he a God of something?


45 posted on 04/18/2012 12:44:25 PM PDT by billys kid (saying that there are too many children, is like saying that there are too many flowers Mother Tresa)
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To: GeronL
Or, to bring in the sympathy vote, simply have a massive coronary or stroke ~ I think Newt would be able to step into the shoes of the leading candidate with little effort ~ even make a masterful funeral oration.

Think big. Romney's just another candidate ~

46 posted on 04/18/2012 12:46:11 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: muawiyah
The First Patriots who carried General Washington across the Delaware, with his Army, to attack the Brits, never found anything too cold, too dark, or having too much ice.

They were naturally resistant to the cold, and their night vision was vastly improved over that of others, and as for ice, they could slide right along, ever upright.

They'd marched barefoot into Valley Forge ~ and they could have marched back up the way just as barefoot.

Their brothers, cousins, fathers and sons had fought bravely in the Flying Geese to protect Washington and his Army as they retreated from New York.

They never surrendered.

Oh my gosh, this was so beautiful. So beautiful. If we can do no other in their honor, at the least we can never surrender.

You said it so much better than me. Brevity is brilliance in this case. Thank you so much.

"The only thing holding us back right now is intimidation over the giants we face. They are not bigger than we are if we stand together." ~ butterdezillion (FReeper)

47 posted on 04/18/2012 12:48:55 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: true believer forever

The ads that ran here all had Newt’s PAC listed in the disclaimer. I suppose you would call them mild as I have heard much harsher out of Gingrich’s supporters on FR. They spent over half the ad on Santorum, then switched to Romney as if the two were the same. I know candidates are not supposed to communicate with the PACS, and in Newt’s case I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

==> this makes me wonder a bit: “He’s had two weeks of being the alternative,” Gingrich said of Santorum. “I think there are profound reasons why Rick lost his Senate race by the largest margin in Pennsylvania history.”


The Knoxville Republican made his announcement in a post on his blog. In an interview, Campfield said he believes that conservatives need to unite behind a single candidate and that Santorum is best positioned to defeat “establishment Republican” candidate Mitt Romney.

Campfield’s decision comes after a conversation with Santorum earlier this week.

In his blog post, Campfield said he was “twisted inside because of my loyalty to Newt, my loyalty must first lie with my country and getting a country with a conservative leader must take precedence to my own personal whims of fancy.

==> I knew about the resignation. I seem to have a great deal of difficulty locating anything about delegates switching. Can you help me out here?


48 posted on 04/18/2012 12:53:17 PM PDT by Ingtar (When I donate to FR, it does not take the money and run as every politician I donate to does)
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To: true believer forever

I actually like your description of Washington crossing the Delaware and what would have happened if the men panicked and ran away

Keep praying and expect a miracle!


49 posted on 04/18/2012 1:00:01 PM PDT by billys kid (saying that there are too many children, is like saying that there are too many flowers Mother Tresa)
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To: ngat
Those talking heads are always talking admiringly and writing books about the founding of this nation and the Declaration and call themselves the Defender of the Constitution, and saying the people need to emulate the the Founding Fathers and calling each other Great Americans, ad nauseum, but when the going gets tough, they all start running away from the line of fire.

They have no loyalty to the other conservatives that live in other parts of this nation, or who are working for some other conservative than the one they themselves have chosen to support. If their own chosen conservative loses, they want to pick up their marbles and go home, or throw in with the big-wigs! They do not support the convention system with its grass-roots-based orderly pattern of decision-making which mirrors our democratic-republican form of government.

These guys are into top-down control of the little people nearly as much as the socialists are!

In other words, they pretty much behave like dems and the MSM... see, I never believed that before.

50 posted on 04/18/2012 1:02:40 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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