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Mountain lions raid ranches (A Big Cat)
Red Bluff Daily News ^ | Jean Barton

Posted on 04/17/2012 11:58:05 AM PDT by Red Steel

The ranchers in Indian Valley, Genesee and Taylorsville, Plumas Co. have had 7 mountain lions killed this year after they had lost pets and livestock. One after this one was killed. Alicia Knadler, Indian Valley editor, wrote the following story in the March 27 Lassen County Times.

"Blood and gore and the blank stares of his baby and adult goats greeted Genesee youth Paul Astles when he went to do his chores in the barn before school Monday, March 12.

"He discoved a full-scale slaughter of his kids and adults. (Heather Kingdon told me he lost nine head that night.) "It was a mess in there," said a fellow rancher who saw it.

"Astles is the same young man who lost several goats to mountain lions in late January.

"There were four lions together on that hunt, according to Heather Kingdon, the neighbor whose border collie puppy was snatched off the porch by a lion the day before. That lion was killed with the dog's body still in its mouth.

"Kingdon saw three lions that were probably a mother and her young, and another adult, a rather skinny female.

"She was afraid this new kill was another group hunt, unheard of in mountain lions, but a professional tracker doesn't think so. "I saw one track, a big one", she said, before preparing for yet another night hunt Tuesday, March 13.

"A lion's modus operandi is to partially bury its kill and return to feed at a later time, probably the next night. And that is exactly when the hunter met the biggest tomcat he'd ever seen in his life.

"It was a monster cat," he said.

"Estimates were that it weighed close to 200 pounds. Lions do not hunt in groups, that is one thing he and the experts at the Dept. of Fish and Game agree on.

DFG public information officer Andrew Hughan was emphatic about that and refused to validate the possibility of a group hunt by other than a mother and her young.

"There is no history, science or evidence to support that," he said. "Mountain lions are solitary animals."

"This makes the sixth mountain lion killed in Indian Valley since late January.

"The fifth one was killed in the Williams Valley area of Greenville in late February. To learn more and find safety tips, visit the DFG mountain lion information page at dfg.ca.gov/news/issues/lion .

"Heather Kingdon authored a guest post about this experience Thursday, March 15, on thebeefjar.com .

"Scroll down the page to see her story and pictures titled "Guest Post: Active Environmentalist." Heather wrote: "The few live goats that are left are locked in the barn where the mare and foals are housed. The bodies of the nine (9) dead are piled in one place, so the lion will come to a distinct area. A trick wire is placed on the top goat's carcass so when it is moved an alarm that the Tracker has, will go off. The waiting begins. At 10 p.m. the alarm is sounded. Our hound man gets his dogs and as he approaches the barn he see the lion emerge from the barn and leap over the 6'6" fence without touching, loping across the arena and heading toward the mountain. The hounds give chase and soon the lion is treed. It is huge. The biggest lion our tracker has ever seen in his many years. The lion is shot and falls, the wind is howling and the rain is here, coming down in sheets."

"Document the damage. Document the results. Document the loss. All are documented, all is legal. The depredation was a success; yet there is no celebration at the Walking G Ranch. The dead are counted and the living are being cared for by the young man, Paul, of 13 years of age who they belong to. The nannies that are alive have lost their young, the young that survived have lost their mothers. Each kid must be fed three times a day and the nannies milked, for they won't accept another's young at this point. Chores are a welcome distraction. The filling of water buckets, cleaning the stalls. Chickens to be let out. Horses fed."


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"Brian Kingdon and Van Probst hang onto a monster tomcat killed
Tuesday, March 13, one day after a full-scale slaughter
of goats was discovered when the young boy who owned
them went out to do his morning chores. ( Courtesy photo
by Heather Kingdon)"
1 posted on 04/17/2012 11:58:13 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

What a disturbing picture. The cats are only doing what GOD intended for them to do. Those two hix in the pictures are right out of Deliverance movie.


2 posted on 04/17/2012 12:00:55 PM PDT by Fawn (This sight is toooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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To: Red Steel

California? Meowwwww!


3 posted on 04/17/2012 12:03:38 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Fawn

C’mon now... this occurred AFTER their goats were killed. I’d want to take that creature down, too.


4 posted on 04/17/2012 12:05:55 PM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Red Steel; Slings and Arrows

Meoooowwww!


5 posted on 04/17/2012 12:06:15 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Red Steel

This is so sad. What a beautiful cat. :(


6 posted on 04/17/2012 12:06:57 PM PDT by mardi59 ( Go Newt!!)
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To: Red Steel

good riddance....those goat kids could have EASIlY BEEN REAL KIDS!!!!!!


7 posted on 04/17/2012 12:09:55 PM PDT by ohiobuckeye1997
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To: Fawn

I’ve got a mountain lion attacking my horses. So far he’s only injured one horse twice. He launches his attacks from where his tail is twitching a foot from the grand kids sand box.

I’m only going to do what GOD intended me to do an string him up just like in the picture.


8 posted on 04/17/2012 12:10:10 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Fawn
They only killed the cat because it was killing their livestock, and therefore, killing their livelihood. That doesn't make them “hix”. I think you meant “hicks.”
9 posted on 04/17/2012 12:11:12 PM PDT by Arcy ("I want to know how God created this world." - Albert Einstein)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

BAD kitty!


10 posted on 04/17/2012 12:11:49 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: SJackson

big cat!


11 posted on 04/17/2012 12:16:28 PM PDT by nixonsnose (Let's see all you lawyers argue your way out of hell.)
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To: Red Steel; GladesGuru
To those who think mountain lions are solitary hunters: They are until their numbers are sufficient that they start to form prides to attack more difficult prey. I have seen photos of as many as eight together on a hunt.


12 posted on 04/17/2012 12:18:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Fawn

And you are right out of Democratic Underground!

Did you even READ the story???

The lion sought out their pets and lifestock, not wild deer and rabbits, as GOD intended. Real MEN fixed it. Good for them.

Hix (sic) indeed... What unmitigated slander!


13 posted on 04/17/2012 12:18:33 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Fawn
What a disturbing picture. The cats are only doing what GOD intended for them to do. Those two hix in the pictures are right out of Deliverance movie.

You must live in a city and have never been stalked by a big lion.

14 posted on 04/17/2012 12:18:40 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Fawn

Your comment is much more disturbing to me.


15 posted on 04/17/2012 12:19:08 PM PDT by matthew fuller (The Magic Mormon is now in position to re-elect the Magic Negro- FOR LIFE!.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I was stalked by two lions, a mother and her young I assume, and they came within seven feet of getting me in the dark before I took action.


16 posted on 04/17/2012 12:22:25 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Red Steel
BAD A$$ed CAT !!!
17 posted on 04/17/2012 12:22:47 PM PDT by MassExodus
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To: Fawn
The cats are only doing what GOD intended for them to do.

Yup, kill things, and they don't care if it's you or your kids. Here is what GOD had to say about that:

If you keep His Law:

Lev 26:6 And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid [1] evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land.

And if you don't: Lev 26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

There, there, don't let reality trouble your little head, much less the Word of GOD.
18 posted on 04/17/2012 12:23:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Fawn
What a disturbing picture. The cats are only doing what GOD intended for them to do. Those two hix in the pictures are right out of Deliverance movie.

What you know - or care - about GOD could fit in a thimble. Those two people are unrecognizeable in that photo, to you (which is why you called them "hix") because they are MEN. Men see that a wild, dangerous animal is killing their livestock and threatening the safety of their families and community, and go out and KILL it, while you sip a latte and tsk. That is what GOD made MEN to do.

GOD finds YOU sickening.

And so do I.

19 posted on 04/17/2012 12:25:37 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Inyo-Mono
I was stalked by two lions, a mother and her young I assume, and they came within seven feet of getting me in the dark before I took action.

A bit late wasn't it? I've been hunted too. How did it feel to feel like food?

20 posted on 04/17/2012 12:25:44 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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No, I meant HIX. Just like I type Pix, Trix or Flix. And what is disturbing is the PHOTO. They are proudly displaying GOD’s creature hanging like it was a piece of garbage. It’s classless, disturbing, sick and cruel.


21 posted on 04/17/2012 12:25:56 PM PDT by Fawn (This sight is toooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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To: Inyo-Mono

“You must live in a city and have never been stalked by a big lion.”

Right on. Everyone needs to live somewhere where they aren’t at the top of the food chain (other than Chicago), so they would know what it is like to REALLY live with nature. I’m not for wholesale slaughter when it isn’t necessary, but sometimes it just is. These cats aren’t just beautiful animals, they are killers, and they would get any of us in a heartbeat if they could.


22 posted on 04/17/2012 12:25:56 PM PDT by binreadin
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To: Red Steel

That will make a nice hide. I’ve dealt with a few mountain lions, but nothing that big.


23 posted on 04/17/2012 12:27:28 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Fawn

....just as i wish ever raccoon and pit bull on this earth were killed for my convenience and the death they cause me in my personal life, I would never be able to kill it for that reason....my convenience.


24 posted on 04/17/2012 12:31:05 PM PDT by Fawn (This sight is toooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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To: Fawn

Oh, please! Quit while you’re ahead. You’re only making yourself look even more Left-wing and stupid than your initial comments.

They don’t look proud to me, just relieved.


25 posted on 04/17/2012 12:33:54 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Carry_Okie

I live in a very rural area. The incident happened in the predawn darkness at 5am in the parking lot where I work, I was taking out the trash and it made me aware of how easy it is to get taken out by a predator. I am now VERY aware of my surroundings when outside.


26 posted on 04/17/2012 12:34:32 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Fawn

...and pertaining to this article, i understand something had to be done, but stringing it up like that and taking that pic....just wrong.


27 posted on 04/17/2012 12:34:55 PM PDT by Fawn (This sight is toooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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To: Red Steel

That is indeed a large mountain lion. It has obviously been on some very good feed to attain that size...


28 posted on 04/17/2012 12:37:44 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: ohiobuckeye1997

Exactly correct. After a cat has exhausted the supply of livestock, pets and other easy quarry, human children are next on the shopping list.


29 posted on 04/17/2012 12:40:31 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Fawn

Would you also condemn a man having his picture taken while holding a large trophy fish?


30 posted on 04/17/2012 12:42:12 PM PDT by timeflies
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To: timeflies

No, I wouldn’t condemn him.....I would just think other things of him. DO you believe in canned hunting?


31 posted on 04/17/2012 12:44:08 PM PDT by Fawn (This sight is toooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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To: Fawn

What is canned hunting?


32 posted on 04/17/2012 12:45:51 PM PDT by timeflies
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To: Fawn
Quit while you're ahead (or at least not any more behind).

That picture is called EVIDENCE for the DNR and for the Feds.

Not only do farmers and ranchers have to protect their livestock, they also have to protect themselves from city-dwelling, pasty, soft-handed government officials who think like you do.

You can't have even read the article. If you're feeling sorry for the poor widdle animals -- how about nannies and kids slaughtered in the barn, blood everywhere, discovered dead and dying by their young owner, orphaned kids crying for their mothers -- a border collie puppy snatched right off the front porch --

These are dangerous predators and they would stalk and eat YOU in a heartbeat. Get out there and ride fence with the ranchers, or hush about stuff you don't understand in the least.

33 posted on 04/17/2012 12:46:40 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Fawn
...and pertaining to this article, i understand something had to be done, but stringing it up like that and taking that pic....just wrong.

Have you ever been hunting? Have you ever been hunted? Let me tell you sweetie, if I went up against a big cat and came out alive I'd be proud too. I'd hang the thing on my wall to but for the fact that morons like you have made it illegal.

Mountain lions are not scarce; hell, they're overpopulated thanks to people like you. The pressure of territorial competition is so intense in these mountains that young males come down into the city as far as the food court at the Capitola Mall looking for food. Try growing up and facing reality: wildlife, as a whole, are better off if they are managed. If some have to die to make that happen, so be it. That's the job GOD gave us in Genesis 1:28.

34 posted on 04/17/2012 12:48:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Fawn

That’s the fastest way to document it. Hang it off a calf scale, next to a man the size of whom you know.

You’re so obviously a city girl, it’s pretty funny to those of us who have to deal with these things. You oughta see how we drop the guts out of deer or elk, then jerk the hide off them.


35 posted on 04/17/2012 12:51:12 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Fawn
"Brian Kingdon and Van Probst hang onto a monster tomcat killed Tuesday, March 13, one day after a full-scale slaughter of goats was discovered when the young boy who owned them went out to do his morning chores.

Of course you have no concern at all that the young boy could have been killed by that lion as well. Just let the lion do what it does.

36 posted on 04/17/2012 12:53:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: timeflies
What is canned hunting?

This is canned hunting

37 posted on 04/17/2012 12:53:06 PM PDT by Fawn (This sight is toooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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To: Inyo-Mono
I am now VERY aware of my surroundings when outside.

I work outside, restoring native habitat nearly every day. That means weeding, lots of it, most of the time bent over on terrain too steep to reasonably carry a weapon. If I didn't have a dog to warn me, I could be in real trouble.

Against wolves I wouldn't have a chance even if I was armed.

38 posted on 04/17/2012 12:53:54 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Feeding aggregations such as in your attached photo respond well to 1080, antifreeze, and lead injections.


39 posted on 04/17/2012 12:54:26 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Fawn

Those two “hicks” were protecting what they own. What if the young boy had walked in on the lion killing the goats? What would you think the lion would do to him?

Take your animal rights bleeding heart someplace else.


40 posted on 04/17/2012 12:56:24 PM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Fawn
"DO you believe in canned hunting?"

Well, it sure looks like the mountain lion did.

Just going on the fact that a; mountain lion populations are in some places, outstripping food supply, b; the competition for food must be pretty fierce, thus c; they're coming into populated areas looking for food.

The fact that one snatched a dog off a front porch should give one pause as to the audacity and probably desperation involved.

Children would not be safe under these circumstances.

Although, I doubt such a fervent animal lover would really care.

41 posted on 04/17/2012 12:58:20 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Red Steel

Animal worshipers are disgusting enemies of our Constitution and nation.

We need the rest of the default process and resulting smaller government. NIMBYs, go home!


42 posted on 04/17/2012 12:59:14 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Fawn

I don’t see anything wrong with “canned” hunting. They are animals. With your logic, when they get ready to load chickens in crates from the chicken houses, they should open the doors and let them have a chance to run for their lives first.


43 posted on 04/17/2012 1:00:50 PM PDT by timeflies
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Meoooowwww!

Bang!

Meoooouch!


44 posted on 04/17/2012 1:05:02 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: NVDave

There is a predator hunter who teaches traping and predator hunting nationally. Of all the electronic calls he has used, the most sucessful for calling in all predators has been of a human infant’s cry.

I find THAT disturbing!


45 posted on 04/17/2012 1:05:31 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart

I have never heard that before that is interesting. And, yes, disturbing.


46 posted on 04/17/2012 1:11:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Red Steel

That cat is gigantic. It’s looks like something out of Africa.


47 posted on 04/17/2012 1:11:57 PM PDT by ROTB (FReepmail me if you want to join a team seeking the LORD for a Christian revival now in the USA.)
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To: Fawn

From Fawn, of course: “They are proudly displaying GOD’s creature hanging like it was a piece of garbage.”

That is already OK’ed by God. Remember that bit about who gave us “dominion over the earth, ...”?

Dominion includes removal of dangerous or destructive beasts. SAme for dangerous or destructive people, as the Commandment was “Don’t Murder” not e commonly held error “Don’t Kill”.

Hint: Consider carefully before disputing Carry_Okie on theology. Just to save wear and tear on your molar enamel.


48 posted on 04/17/2012 1:13:38 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Fawn

Fawn, hunters have been proudly displaying their kills since we began the long walk from Olduvai Gorge to America.

That picture is to men what showing a baby by the mother is to women.

I suggest considering acceptance of human nature.


49 posted on 04/17/2012 1:18:05 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Fawn

“The cats are only doing what GOD intended for them to do.”

I have faced a mountain lion with a very small rifle in the dead of the night. I now carry a .45-70.


50 posted on 04/17/2012 1:18:10 PM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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