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To: Mr Rogers

“Why should the government restrict your right to defend your life?”

It comes down to when YOUR right to do anything impinges on OTHERS rights. In the case of CCW that would be others right to be in a public place without deadly attack. It has long been held the 1st Amendment doesn’t allow you to cry, “Fire!”, in a crowded theater because that speech endangers the lives of others. I’m a staunch defender of the 2nd Amendment, and have been a Life Member of the NRA for 20 years, but unless it is implemented responsibly we will lose it.


25 posted on 04/15/2012 8:16:04 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: MtBaldy

“In the case of CCW that would be others right to be in a public place without deadly attack.”

Ah, yes - because training is needed to prevent a gun from jumping out and attacking people...

A background check to prevent nuts from buying guns would be nice...oh, but wait, we already have that nationwide. Except, of course, many nuts don’t show up in the system because schools, hospitals, doctors and families cover for them.

And because here in Arizona, that started allowing folks to carry without a permit, we’ve had a huge surge in people gunning down people in public places. Not.

The POINT of carrying is “to be in a public place without deadly attack”.


27 posted on 04/15/2012 8:39:11 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: MtBaldy
MtBaldy said: ... the 1st Amendment doesn’t allow you to cry, “Fire!”, in a crowded theater because that speech endangers the lives of others. "

The 1st Amendment most certainly DOES allow you to cry "Fire" in a crowded theater,... IF THERE IS A FIRE. You don't need the government's permission to do so. You don't need a permit to do so. No training is required. You are completely within your rights to exercise free speech in order to protect the lives of your loved ones and perfect strangers.

Similarly, you are completely within your rights to keep and bear arms and to use those arms to defend yourself with deadly force to protect the lives of your loved ones and others.

I have spent thousands of dollars to obtain permits and the required training that authorizes me to carry concealed in two-thirds of the states of the Union. The average person will never have the resources to do what I have done.

Despite my expenditures, I have not been able to overcome the "reasonable" burden created by the legislature of Kalifornia to demonstrate that I have "good cause" to carry a concealed firearm in my own home state.

The power to decide whether a given person is sufficiently trained or justified in carrying a concealed firearm has been used now for a century to disarm first minorities and then the general populace because liberals don't like guns and fear other people who have them.

To suggest that our Founders intended that the government shall be able to say who is armed and who is not, is to ignore completely the fact that our Founders went to war against their own government and were forced to contend with that government's attempt to disarm them during the military occupation of Boston. The "Shot Heard Round the World" was fired at Lexington and Concord because the existing government had sent troops to disarm the populace.

Our Founders stated in the Declaration, "...all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, ...". I suffer under the government imposed requirement for justification and training that you appear to support. I'm a veteran trained in the use of arms. It's an insult for you or anybody else to claim that I am in need of more training or justification, after having carried arms in foreign countries.

If you think that I require more training or justification, that is YOUR PROBLEM. It is not my problem and has no bearing on my right to keep and bear arms.

29 posted on 04/15/2012 10:51:37 AM PDT by William Tell
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