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Vanity | April 14, 2012 | Engraved-on-His-hands

Posted on 04/14/2012 7:08:22 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands

Sorry for the vanity, but, due to the unpleasant situation in which Mitt Romney is the favorite for the Republican Party nomination for President, I thought that exploring other options might be an appropriate topic. While Newt Gingrich is still in the running for the Republican nod, his chances do not appear to be good. Although not giving up entirely on him at this point, I thought that exploring third party options might be helpful as a fallback plan. (Caveat: I am not an expert on the parties discussed.)

There are at least 53 political parties in the United States. Apart from the Democrat and Republican parties, there are three others with occasional minor national significance: the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party, and the Green Party. Of the remaining 48 parties, there are five that are national parties that have a conservative foundation. For the purpose of this post, I will not look at the libertarian parties, nor will I consider those that are moderate or more left-wing in their views.

Apart from the Constitution Party, the five national conservative parties are the following:

America First Party

America's Party

American Party

Christian Liberty Party

Independent American Party

Of these five, the America First Party, the Christian Liberty Party, and the American Party appear to be either inactive or so miniscule in activity and efforts that they might be considered inactive for all practical purposes. The Independent American Party and America’s Party appear to be the most active. However, I could not find any source indicating that the Independent American Party intends to have a nominee for President in 2012.

This leaves the Constitution Party and America’s Party as the conservative third party options.

The Constitution Party holds its nominating convention this coming Wednesday through Saturday in Nashville. The favorite for the nomination at this point appears to be Virgil Goode, former congressman from Virginia, although there is a good bit of controversy and dissension regarding his nomination.

America’s Party has chosen Tom Hoefling as its nominee. Tom posts on FreeRepublic as Eternal Vigilance. (Note: I have been a long-time fan of Tom’s posts.)

We should have a better grasp of the Constitution Party after their convention in a few days. If they nominate a suitable conservative who can unite their party, their stock should rise. If they fail, whether this provides an opening for an improved status for America’s Party this year remains to be seen.

I am not suggesting that either the Constitution Party or America’s Party will nominate the next President of the United States. However, as an ardent social conservative, I believe that neither the Republicans or Democrats have left social conservatives with a real option this year (assuming that Romney is the Republican nominee instead of Newt). Consider voting for a third party a protest vote if you will. Criticize it if you will. Each of us must do what we think is right and best. I'm not trying to create controversy with this post. I'm just trying to present information to those who might be interested.

Here are the websites for the two primary third party options discussed:

www.constitutionparty.com

www.selfgovernment.us

Thanks.


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To: jveritas

Where do I address my FU card to Mitt Romney?


51 posted on 04/14/2012 7:44:34 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones

Instead of talking 3rd party or sitting out though, we should be rallying the troops so that we can keep from being put in that gosh-awful lose-lose situation.

Everybody still has something they can do to keep Romney from being the republican candidate: throw all your support behind Gingrich. We’re all sick of the GOP-e crapping on us. Well, let’s do something about it. Sue them to oblivion whenever they break the law. Let them know we’re still alive and kicking. If we want to protest the GOP-e we need to do it NOW, not when our protest will only end up supporting Obama.

We’re all acting as if it’s a choice between sitting out the election or voting for Romney. It doesn’t HAVE to be either. We still have a horse in this race. We just need to get on it and GO!

Let’s just not even entertain the idea that we’ll be stuck with a totally unacceptable choice. Let’s set our wills to say we HAVE to keep it from ever coming to that. NOW is the time to fight.


52 posted on 04/14/2012 7:45:15 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: TomGuy
Gingrich cannot even win primaries. What makes anyone think he would win a general election?

He'd kill 'em both in the debates. The only thing Romney had that Gingrich didn't is money.

53 posted on 04/14/2012 7:46:18 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

8 years of Clinton worked out better than it would have been with the GOP alternatives.


54 posted on 04/14/2012 7:46:21 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Perot in his first run was doing okay, until he saw illegal aliens on his front lawn.

Not the south-of-the-border kind of illegal aliens; the Alpha Centauri kind of illegal aliens.


55 posted on 04/14/2012 7:46:32 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: jveritas

I cannot and will not vote for Romney and yep I vote in Pennsylvania. I cannot vote for such a liberal. Against my religion to vote for someone who advocated abortion for a very long time.


56 posted on 04/14/2012 7:46:44 PM PDT by napscoordinator (VOTE FOR NEWT!!!!)
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To: TomGuy
The primaries aren't over yet, thankyouverymuch. And now it's down to two.

/johnny

57 posted on 04/14/2012 7:46:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

“While Newt Gingrich is still in the running for the Republican nod, his chances do not appear to be good.”

You think! I mean technically Herman Cain is still in the race.


58 posted on 04/14/2012 7:47:05 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: paul51

“third party is not a viable option at this point. waste of time”

Third parties need to start somewhere, now is as good a time as any.


59 posted on 04/14/2012 7:47:05 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

My bad. I meant to say Gingrich. The people who have endorsed Gingrich need to be vocal about it right now. They are people we respect, the only ones left whose endorsement wasn’t up for sale to the highest bidder (Romney).

We need to stand together. We HAVE to.


60 posted on 04/14/2012 7:49:14 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: greene66

Obama has 38 czars. Bush Jr. had 33. Reagan had 1 (drug czar).

The Tea Party was the right idea. We need to get back to Reagan-style conservatism or this country is doomed. Romney winning most likely delays and complicates that goal more than Obama winning does. Our quickest way to achieving our goal is to take over the Republican party from the inside. How can that be done when they can run around for years talking about how their hand-picked RINO Romney has been “successful?”

Let’s keep in mind that RINO Nicole Wallace voted for Obama because she didn’t like Palin. If the RINOs are free to abstain from voting for the Republican candidate, then I sure as hell can as well. But I won’t be voting for Obama. My vote is a statement and it won’t be putting the stamp of approval on either Obamney.


61 posted on 04/14/2012 7:51:17 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones
He'd kill 'em both in the debates.

POP!

Sorry to burst that bubble.

His 2 FL debates showed him to be quite fallible in debates.



62 posted on 04/14/2012 7:52:06 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Theoria
Daddy Bush lost because of Daddy Bush himself ---->> BEING S-T-U-P-I-D......

He marched around repeating to the country: "No New Taxes." Then, the Dem's talked to him and said we 'really do need new revenue' and then passed a tax hike and Bush signed it, NOT RELUCTENTLY, saying he saved the country. The next day, every Democrat in Congress who could find a mic and TV camera, screaming "BUSH LIED AND RAISED TAXES....BUSH LIED...BUSH LIED....WE TOLD YOU HE WOULD." And, the American people said to themselves (and the ballot box): "Bush lied and raised taxes." Goodbye George...hello Clinton.

And, you know what??? BUSH LIED !!

63 posted on 04/14/2012 7:52:09 PM PDT by jmax (We only have to blame ourselves.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You just aren’t going to put the blame on the GOP-e, where it belongs, are you?

When they get pushed into running a conservative, they win. When they run a RINO they lose.
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I just made the comment that voting for Ross Perot was one of the worst mistakes of my life and it was because they gave us the Clintons for life. But, may I remind you that George H. W. Bush and his boy George W. were both friggin’ RINOs and they won their Elections. W won twice. So, quit echoing Rush. Think for yourself.


64 posted on 04/14/2012 7:52:42 PM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: TomGuy

Anywhere between 60-75% of the American public despises Obamacare, and yet the R’s think the only electable R candidate is the one who first did to Massachusetts what Obama is trying to shove down our throats.

Unreal. We have an issue where we’ve got that kind of bi-partisan consensus in the general public and we’re gonna throw it away.

Unreal.

Gingrich had his voters split with other candidates, had the GOP-e against him from day one, and had the GOP-e break every rule and law in the book to keep him off ballots, keep him from getting proportional votes, etc.

Like Winston Churchill said, “All we have to fear is fear itself”.


65 posted on 04/14/2012 7:55:12 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: napscoordinator

A woman called into the Bill Bennett show the other day after Santorum withdrew who sounded like she was almost or might have been in tears over the prospect that Romney would be the nominee. She was halfheartedly asking Bennett for some assurance that Romney was pro-life. He basically tried to claim he’s made a sincere flip-flop to the pro-life said.

At any rate, people who think Romney can win this need to realize this is not the climate for a successful Republican candidate. When the base is revolting on the internet and seemingly in tears out there on conservative radio call-in shows, it’s time for people to wake up. Stop Romney at the convention through any non-violent means necessary or you’re going to lose the election.


66 posted on 04/14/2012 7:56:32 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

Under our political system a protest vote is a scream in a vacuum. It accomplishes nothing, in parliamentary systems it has value. Our only meaningful choice will be a Republican or Democrat. One of those two will win, nobody else. In the long run, your stated goals will be better achieved if you resist the third party protest vote. Take Rick Santorum for example. He fought the good fight, and realized he was not going to make it to the finish line. He accepted this fact, and dropped out. Now he will have an influence on the direction of the party. He proved he has a following and he is a force to be reckoned with and listened to, that is politics. Political change in the United States is a marathon, not a sprint. As I see it, Obama’s only hope is that enough voters on our side play the protest card. It might be enough to push him over. If we start swinging at each other instead of the Democrats, than we will have four more years of Obama, and maybe Speaker Pelosi also. That’s a nightmare in my book.


67 posted on 04/14/2012 7:58:25 PM PDT by gusty
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To: NavVet
You think! I mean technically Herman Cain is still in the race.

No he's not. Just Romney, Gingrich and Paul.

68 posted on 04/14/2012 7:58:38 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: TomGuy

Because they told the audience they had to act like mannequins.

Just more manipulation by the stupid R’s. All the more reason to despise them.


69 posted on 04/14/2012 7:59:12 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: TomGuy

Oh, please, and he did fine in the February one, right? And every one before that? Look at how abysmally Romney did in the South Carolina debates when he stuttered and stammered about releasing his taxes. All we can look at is an average success rate. Newt has the best one.


70 posted on 04/14/2012 8:01:28 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: butterdezillion

“Like Winston Churchill said, “All we have to fear is fear itself”.”

Churchill??? It was “Uncle” Joe Stalin’s best buddy FDR who said that.


71 posted on 04/14/2012 8:08:08 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: JRandomFreeper

The primaries aren’t over yet, thankyouverymuch. And now it’s down to two.
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Yep; it’s David and Goliath all over again. Goliath with all the money and Delegates and David with nothing but his sling and 5 stones (Ideas, Intellect, Intricacy, Intrepidity and Indebtedness.) Looks like this Round is going to Goliath.


72 posted on 04/14/2012 8:10:18 PM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

YOUR job is to get elected to be a PCP at the County level (or whatever they call the GOP workers)....and then get elected to be a delegate to the CONVENTION....all votes go THRU the GOP....third party will NOT work....but, infiltrating the GOP with the RIGHT kind of politico’s WILL...but, too many here and elsewhere don’t understand that.


73 posted on 04/14/2012 8:10:40 PM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: All
THERE ISN'T A SECOND PARTY!!!!

WE NEED A NEW SECOND PARTY!!!!

There should be an effort to organize for a convention on the capital mall to pick a real conservative.

A big event that the media cannot ignore.
A revolt event of sorts. A guillotine party that will keep away the establishment icons and allow real Americans to apply for the position.

74 posted on 04/14/2012 8:10:40 PM PDT by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: butterdezillion

Like Winston Churchill said, “All we have to fear is fear itself”.
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OMG! You’re kidding; right?


75 posted on 04/14/2012 8:11:44 PM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands; Steve Schulin; wagglebee; Gelato; MountainFlower; BlackElk
Thanks for the mention.

When we left the GOP four years ago, when it became apparent they were going to nominate John Judas McCain, we explored the idea of joining forces with the Constitution Party. I spent two months of my life doing that. To make a long story short, there was no way. Without delving into all the problems we found there, suffice it to say that we were a poor match with their isolationist views on foreign policy and national defense. They were, and are, overwhelmingly a Ron Paul-friendly party, and we're not isolationists or Libertarians. We're moral conservatives who have always advocated a Reaganite peace through strength foreign policy.

So, the day after their convention we founded America's Independent Party, which was subsequently re-titled as America's Party.

A few important links:

America's Party National Committee

About America's Party

America's Party Platform

Affiliate with America's Party

America's Party Leadership Pledge

America's Party News - Committees of Correspondence

Tom Hoefling 2012

If anyone would like to talk with me personally about what we're trying to accomplish, they can email me at tomhoefling@gmail.com and I will be in touch.

Or, they can come on one of our national America's Summit conference calls which are held twice weekly. That way they can meet and talk to many of our state leaders from across the country as well.

For once I won't be moderating the call this coming Tuesday night, though. My oldest son Matt flies in that evening, and I haven't seen him since before he left for his tour in Iraq.

Have a great evening!

76 posted on 04/14/2012 8:11:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: JediJones

Oh please...

He won 2 state primaries. That’s it.

Many of the remaining states are winner-take-all. He has been getting between 7 and 14% in most of the primaries. Which remaining states is he going to win substantially?

He has 136 delegates; Romney has 666. Even if Santorum gave him his, he would still be nearly 100 behind Romney.

Romney needs about 500 more. Gingrich needs MORE than 1000.


77 posted on 04/14/2012 8:14:33 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks for the input!


78 posted on 04/14/2012 8:14:33 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Mitt Romney is a handbasket driver. I refuse to ride.)
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To: goodnesswins

“YOUR job is to get elected to be a PCP at the County level (or whatever they call the GOP workers)....and then get elected to be a delegate to the CONVENTION....all votes go THRU the GOP....third party will NOT work....but, infiltrating the GOP with the RIGHT kind of politico’s WILL...but, too many here and elsewhere don’t understand that.”

Nope, tried and true statement, but has now failed.
We are beyond the point of return to that.


79 posted on 04/14/2012 8:14:51 PM PDT by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: goodnesswins

too many here and elsewhere don’t understand that.
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They may or may not understand it. But, it’s awfully hard to be a Delegate to the National Convention. I got to attend the 1988 Convention in New Orleans but not as a Delegate. But, because I was a GOP District Chair of one of the Congressional Districts in the State I was living in then, I got a guest pass. The GOP-Elite pretty well control the Convention. That’s why a Brokered Convention would have ended up with Romney as the nominee.


80 posted on 04/14/2012 8:16:15 PM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: CapnJack
no. just after the election in preparation for 2016 would make more sense
81 posted on 04/14/2012 8:16:47 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
Thanks for the input!

Grateful for the opportunity to give it!

82 posted on 04/14/2012 8:17:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: TomGuy
Romney has 666

Well, there ya go. LOL...

83 posted on 04/14/2012 8:19:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I'm hoping that after the 2012 Election, someone(s) will form...

THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF AMERICA.
84 posted on 04/14/2012 8:20:32 PM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
/johnny, you just said "You just aren't going to put the blame on the GOP-e, where it belongs, are you?"

In answer to that statement, let me say: When you go to the polls (in this case, the primaries) and give your name, they have you sign the book. When you and everyone else got ready to sign, did you look down and see where the book had automatically signed "GOP-e" where your name was to go? In other words, the 'GOP-e' did not vote...the voter did.

Granted, the GOP puts their weight and money behind particular candidates, but if the people didn't vote for them in the primaries, they would not be the candidate in the general.

85 posted on 04/14/2012 8:26:33 PM PDT by jmax (We only have to blame ourselves.)
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To: butterdezillion

Churchill didn’t say that! Franklin D. Roosevelt did.


86 posted on 04/14/2012 8:29:21 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("For the sake of our party we must stand united, whoever our nominee is."-Sarah Palin)
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To: no dems

The DNC would probably move heaven and earth to help set it up. With two parties on the right and one on the left, they would never lose.


87 posted on 04/14/2012 8:30:22 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
I live in California where Romney has no chance at winning. Voting for Romney would truly be throwing away my vote.

I plan to vote for the Green Party. My reasons are:

1. If the Green Party gets over 5% of the national vote then they become somewhat official. They can request financial support from the election fund. They can request to be in future presidential debates. They will get more press. This will make them a more potent thorn in the side of the Democrats.

2. However leftist we believe Obama is the diehard commies in the Democrat Party view him as a rightwing lapdog of the financial industry. If there is some hope that the Green Party will become a viable political party then they will feel better about shifting their support there rather than to the Democrats.

3. If enough liberals start voting Green Party, and the Republicans continue to tack leftward, then those of us with more solid conservative beliefs can more safely vote for a truly conservative third party candidate without fear of ending up helping the Democrat.

4. There are those that believe that multi-party democracies are anathema. Our two party system isn't working out so well right now. So maybe we should have four parties: leftist, leftish, rightish, and rightist.

So if you live in a solidly blue state I strongly urge you to vote for the Green Party for purely long-term strategic reasons. If you live in a solidly red state then you might want to get 10,000 of your closest friends to move with you to a battleground state in time to vote legally in November as a citizen of that state.

88 posted on 04/14/2012 8:30:39 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: no dems

What would happen if every R voted for Newt Gingrich from here on out?

You tell me.

What would happen if everybody who has already voted in the primary told their R fundraising people that the well will be totally dry if they continue their illegal, thieving ways to get Romney as the candidate?

If we get Romney it’s our own damned fault.

If we get Obama it’s our own damned fault.

And the only reason we would do what it takes to get stuck with either one is if we are too COWARDLY to do what it takes to preserve this nation.

Joshua and Caleb were the only 2 spies from Israel who were allowed to enter the Promised Land - because they were the only 2 of the 12 who had the faith and courage to believe that it was theirs for the taking, according to the promise of the Lord. They had nothing to fear but fear itself. They chose fear and ended up wandering in the desert until they died because they refused to simply accept what was offered.

The Lord says that if His people who are called by His name humble themselves and pray then He WILL hear from Heaven and will save their land. That is a promise to us, just as surely as the Promised Land was a promise to the people of Israel. If our land is not saved it is because WE - you and I - have abandoned that promise because we were cowards. We chose to wander in the desert rather than simply take the Lord at His word and obey.

Our own complacency is what will kill this land.

Count me out. My parents gave me a legacy of freedom and I’ll die before I drop that baton so all my kids get is the echo of everything good clanging to the ground.

Not on my watch.


89 posted on 04/14/2012 8:31:10 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: jmax

Those damned voters again. Ruins everything when you have to consider real flesh and blood voters, instead of fantasy voters. If only everybody agreed with me on everything, than I wouldn’t have to sweat it this November.


90 posted on 04/14/2012 8:36:17 PM PDT by gusty
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To: no dems

Wouldn’t surprise me if Obozo dumped Biden and Hillary ran as his VP.

Would you want to be in the position where your beating heart is the only thing between Hillary and the Presidency?


91 posted on 04/14/2012 8:40:26 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: gusty

With two parties on the right and one on the left,

I think that would make one party on the right and two on the left. The GOP is solidly left of center.


92 posted on 04/14/2012 8:45:31 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: butterdezillion

If you opt out, then if we get Obama it will be your fault not any of those who tried with what is at hand to eject him from the White House. Don’t do it. Just think of the fun you will have on election night channel surfing the networks if Obama loses. Priceless. Imagine a landslide against Obama. MSNBC might have a ratings spike. If for this reason alone you have to hold your nose, it will be worth it.


93 posted on 04/14/2012 8:51:32 PM PDT by gusty
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To: paul51

third party is not a viable option at this point. waste of time

and a waste of votes


94 posted on 04/14/2012 8:52:00 PM PDT by RightLady (Throw the Traitors out)
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To: JediJones

Are you completely brainless?

If money works so good in primaries, why won’t it work in the general?


95 posted on 04/14/2012 8:52:54 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (I take Olive Oyl on me spinach. She said she didn’t go in for that kinky stuff but she does now)
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To: TomGuy

You’re not keeping up very closely around here, are you? No one’s arguing Gingrich wins the nomination outright. Just that Romney is prevented from getting his 1,144 by performing badly enough in the next 20 states.

Thanks for pointing out how close Newt is if he gets Santorum’s delegates. I haven’t been looking at that but that makes it strikingly more clear how winnable this thing is for Newt in a convention floor fight.


96 posted on 04/14/2012 8:53:07 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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BarackSaysThanks, The president appreciates your efforts to further his agenda.
97 posted on 04/14/2012 8:55:58 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Are you completely brainless?

If money works so good in primaries, why won’t it work in the general?

Are you completely retarded? Don't you realize if Newt wins the nomination, he will get all the money any Republican candidate would? MUCH more money goes into the general election than the primaries. Many donors hold out because they don't care who the Republican nominee is. Plus the party puts in their money in the general, not during the primaries, at least not openly.

98 posted on 04/14/2012 8:56:30 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Your the ying of the leftist yang who thinks the NY Times is a conservative newspaper. If your right, then we are screwed. Because if the GOP is also left wing, than conservatives like us here on FR are truly a small minority then.


99 posted on 04/14/2012 8:56:43 PM PDT by gusty
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To: D-fendr

Why don't you try to convince Hillary to come back to the Republican party for 2016 since you love liberal candidates so much?


100 posted on 04/14/2012 8:59:53 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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