Skip to comments.Third Party Options
Posted on 04/14/2012 7:08:22 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
Sorry for the vanity, but, due to the unpleasant situation in which Mitt Romney is the favorite for the Republican Party nomination for President, I thought that exploring other options might be an appropriate topic. While Newt Gingrich is still in the running for the Republican nod, his chances do not appear to be good. Although not giving up entirely on him at this point, I thought that exploring third party options might be helpful as a fallback plan. (Caveat: I am not an expert on the parties discussed.)
There are at least 53 political parties in the United States. Apart from the Democrat and Republican parties, there are three others with occasional minor national significance: the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party, and the Green Party. Of the remaining 48 parties, there are five that are national parties that have a conservative foundation. For the purpose of this post, I will not look at the libertarian parties, nor will I consider those that are moderate or more left-wing in their views.
Apart from the Constitution Party, the five national conservative parties are the following:
America First Party
Christian Liberty Party
Independent American Party
Of these five, the America First Party, the Christian Liberty Party, and the American Party appear to be either inactive or so miniscule in activity and efforts that they might be considered inactive for all practical purposes. The Independent American Party and Americas Party appear to be the most active. However, I could not find any source indicating that the Independent American Party intends to have a nominee for President in 2012.
This leaves the Constitution Party and Americas Party as the conservative third party options.
The Constitution Party holds its nominating convention this coming Wednesday through Saturday in Nashville. The favorite for the nomination at this point appears to be Virgil Goode, former congressman from Virginia, although there is a good bit of controversy and dissension regarding his nomination.
Americas Party has chosen Tom Hoefling as its nominee. Tom posts on FreeRepublic as Eternal Vigilance. (Note: I have been a long-time fan of Toms posts.)
We should have a better grasp of the Constitution Party after their convention in a few days. If they nominate a suitable conservative who can unite their party, their stock should rise. If they fail, whether this provides an opening for an improved status for Americas Party this year remains to be seen.
I am not suggesting that either the Constitution Party or Americas Party will nominate the next President of the United States. However, as an ardent social conservative, I believe that neither the Republicans or Democrats have left social conservatives with a real option this year (assuming that Romney is the Republican nominee instead of Newt). Consider voting for a third party a protest vote if you will. Criticize it if you will. Each of us must do what we think is right and best. I'm not trying to create controversy with this post. I'm just trying to present information to those who might be interested.
Here are the websites for the two primary third party options discussed:
Where do I address my FU card to Mitt Romney?
Instead of talking 3rd party or sitting out though, we should be rallying the troops so that we can keep from being put in that gosh-awful lose-lose situation.
Everybody still has something they can do to keep Romney from being the republican candidate: throw all your support behind Gingrich. We’re all sick of the GOP-e crapping on us. Well, let’s do something about it. Sue them to oblivion whenever they break the law. Let them know we’re still alive and kicking. If we want to protest the GOP-e we need to do it NOW, not when our protest will only end up supporting Obama.
We’re all acting as if it’s a choice between sitting out the election or voting for Romney. It doesn’t HAVE to be either. We still have a horse in this race. We just need to get on it and GO!
Let’s just not even entertain the idea that we’ll be stuck with a totally unacceptable choice. Let’s set our wills to say we HAVE to keep it from ever coming to that. NOW is the time to fight.
He'd kill 'em both in the debates. The only thing Romney had that Gingrich didn't is money.
8 years of Clinton worked out better than it would have been with the GOP alternatives.
Perot in his first run was doing okay, until he saw illegal aliens on his front lawn.
Not the south-of-the-border kind of illegal aliens; the Alpha Centauri kind of illegal aliens.
I cannot and will not vote for Romney and yep I vote in Pennsylvania. I cannot vote for such a liberal. Against my religion to vote for someone who advocated abortion for a very long time.
“While Newt Gingrich is still in the running for the Republican nod, his chances do not appear to be good.”
You think! I mean technically Herman Cain is still in the race.
“third party is not a viable option at this point. waste of time”
Third parties need to start somewhere, now is as good a time as any.
My bad. I meant to say Gingrich. The people who have endorsed Gingrich need to be vocal about it right now. They are people we respect, the only ones left whose endorsement wasn’t up for sale to the highest bidder (Romney).
We need to stand together. We HAVE to.
Obama has 38 czars. Bush Jr. had 33. Reagan had 1 (drug czar).
The Tea Party was the right idea. We need to get back to Reagan-style conservatism or this country is doomed. Romney winning most likely delays and complicates that goal more than Obama winning does. Our quickest way to achieving our goal is to take over the Republican party from the inside. How can that be done when they can run around for years talking about how their hand-picked RINO Romney has been “successful?”
Let’s keep in mind that RINO Nicole Wallace voted for Obama because she didn’t like Palin. If the RINOs are free to abstain from voting for the Republican candidate, then I sure as hell can as well. But I won’t be voting for Obama. My vote is a statement and it won’t be putting the stamp of approval on either Obamney.
He marched around repeating to the country: "No New Taxes." Then, the Dem's talked to him and said we 'really do need new revenue' and then passed a tax hike and Bush signed it, NOT RELUCTENTLY, saying he saved the country. The next day, every Democrat in Congress who could find a mic and TV camera, screaming "BUSH LIED AND RAISED TAXES....BUSH LIED...BUSH LIED....WE TOLD YOU HE WOULD." And, the American people said to themselves (and the ballot box): "Bush lied and raised taxes." Goodbye George...hello Clinton.
And, you know what??? BUSH LIED !!
You just aren’t going to put the blame on the GOP-e, where it belongs, are you?
When they get pushed into running a conservative, they win. When they run a RINO they lose.
I just made the comment that voting for Ross Perot was one of the worst mistakes of my life and it was because they gave us the Clintons for life. But, may I remind you that George H. W. Bush and his boy George W. were both friggin’ RINOs and they won their Elections. W won twice. So, quit echoing Rush. Think for yourself.
Anywhere between 60-75% of the American public despises Obamacare, and yet the R’s think the only electable R candidate is the one who first did to Massachusetts what Obama is trying to shove down our throats.
Unreal. We have an issue where we’ve got that kind of bi-partisan consensus in the general public and we’re gonna throw it away.
Gingrich had his voters split with other candidates, had the GOP-e against him from day one, and had the GOP-e break every rule and law in the book to keep him off ballots, keep him from getting proportional votes, etc.
Like Winston Churchill said, “All we have to fear is fear itself”.
A woman called into the Bill Bennett show the other day after Santorum withdrew who sounded like she was almost or might have been in tears over the prospect that Romney would be the nominee. She was halfheartedly asking Bennett for some assurance that Romney was pro-life. He basically tried to claim he’s made a sincere flip-flop to the pro-life said.
At any rate, people who think Romney can win this need to realize this is not the climate for a successful Republican candidate. When the base is revolting on the internet and seemingly in tears out there on conservative radio call-in shows, it’s time for people to wake up. Stop Romney at the convention through any non-violent means necessary or you’re going to lose the election.
Under our political system a protest vote is a scream in a vacuum. It accomplishes nothing, in parliamentary systems it has value. Our only meaningful choice will be a Republican or Democrat. One of those two will win, nobody else. In the long run, your stated goals will be better achieved if you resist the third party protest vote. Take Rick Santorum for example. He fought the good fight, and realized he was not going to make it to the finish line. He accepted this fact, and dropped out. Now he will have an influence on the direction of the party. He proved he has a following and he is a force to be reckoned with and listened to, that is politics. Political change in the United States is a marathon, not a sprint. As I see it, Obama’s only hope is that enough voters on our side play the protest card. It might be enough to push him over. If we start swinging at each other instead of the Democrats, than we will have four more years of Obama, and maybe Speaker Pelosi also. That’s a nightmare in my book.
No he's not. Just Romney, Gingrich and Paul.
Because they told the audience they had to act like mannequins.
Just more manipulation by the stupid R’s. All the more reason to despise them.
Oh, please, and he did fine in the February one, right? And every one before that? Look at how abysmally Romney did in the South Carolina debates when he stuttered and stammered about releasing his taxes. All we can look at is an average success rate. Newt has the best one.
“Like Winston Churchill said, All we have to fear is fear itself.”
Churchill??? It was “Uncle” Joe Stalin’s best buddy FDR who said that.
The primaries aren’t over yet, thankyouverymuch. And now it’s down to two.
Yep; it’s David and Goliath all over again. Goliath with all the money and Delegates and David with nothing but his sling and 5 stones (Ideas, Intellect, Intricacy, Intrepidity and Indebtedness.) Looks like this Round is going to Goliath.
YOUR job is to get elected to be a PCP at the County level (or whatever they call the GOP workers)....and then get elected to be a delegate to the CONVENTION....all votes go THRU the GOP....third party will NOT work....but, infiltrating the GOP with the RIGHT kind of politico’s WILL...but, too many here and elsewhere don’t understand that.
WE NEED A NEW SECOND PARTY!!!!
There should be an effort to organize for a convention on the capital mall to pick a real conservative.
A big event that the media cannot ignore.
A revolt event of sorts. A guillotine party that will keep away the establishment icons and allow real Americans to apply for the position.
Like Winston Churchill said, All we have to fear is fear itself.
OMG! You’re kidding; right?
When we left the GOP four years ago, when it became apparent they were going to nominate John Judas McCain, we explored the idea of joining forces with the Constitution Party. I spent two months of my life doing that. To make a long story short, there was no way. Without delving into all the problems we found there, suffice it to say that we were a poor match with their isolationist views on foreign policy and national defense. They were, and are, overwhelmingly a Ron Paul-friendly party, and we're not isolationists or Libertarians. We're moral conservatives who have always advocated a Reaganite peace through strength foreign policy.
So, the day after their convention we founded America's Independent Party, which was subsequently re-titled as America's Party.
A few important links:
If anyone would like to talk with me personally about what we're trying to accomplish, they can email me at firstname.lastname@example.org and I will be in touch.
Or, they can come on one of our national America's Summit conference calls which are held twice weekly. That way they can meet and talk to many of our state leaders from across the country as well.
For once I won't be moderating the call this coming Tuesday night, though. My oldest son Matt flies in that evening, and I haven't seen him since before he left for his tour in Iraq.
Have a great evening!
He won 2 state primaries. That’s it.
Many of the remaining states are winner-take-all. He has been getting between 7 and 14% in most of the primaries. Which remaining states is he going to win substantially?
He has 136 delegates; Romney has 666. Even if Santorum gave him his, he would still be nearly 100 behind Romney.
Romney needs about 500 more. Gingrich needs MORE than 1000.
Thanks for the input!
“YOUR job is to get elected to be a PCP at the County level (or whatever they call the GOP workers)....and then get elected to be a delegate to the CONVENTION....all votes go THRU the GOP....third party will NOT work....but, infiltrating the GOP with the RIGHT kind of politicos WILL...but, too many here and elsewhere dont understand that.”
Nope, tried and true statement, but has now failed.
We are beyond the point of return to that.
too many here and elsewhere dont understand that.
They may or may not understand it. But, it’s awfully hard to be a Delegate to the National Convention. I got to attend the 1988 Convention in New Orleans but not as a Delegate. But, because I was a GOP District Chair of one of the Congressional Districts in the State I was living in then, I got a guest pass. The GOP-Elite pretty well control the Convention. That’s why a Brokered Convention would have ended up with Romney as the nominee.
Grateful for the opportunity to give it!
Well, there ya go. LOL...
In answer to that statement, let me say: When you go to the polls (in this case, the primaries) and give your name, they have you sign the book. When you and everyone else got ready to sign, did you look down and see where the book had automatically signed "GOP-e" where your name was to go? In other words, the 'GOP-e' did not vote...the voter did.
Granted, the GOP puts their weight and money behind particular candidates, but if the people didn't vote for them in the primaries, they would not be the candidate in the general.
Churchill didn’t say that! Franklin D. Roosevelt did.
The DNC would probably move heaven and earth to help set it up. With two parties on the right and one on the left, they would never lose.
I plan to vote for the Green Party. My reasons are:
1. If the Green Party gets over 5% of the national vote then they become somewhat official. They can request financial support from the election fund. They can request to be in future presidential debates. They will get more press. This will make them a more potent thorn in the side of the Democrats.
2. However leftist we believe Obama is the diehard commies in the Democrat Party view him as a rightwing lapdog of the financial industry. If there is some hope that the Green Party will become a viable political party then they will feel better about shifting their support there rather than to the Democrats.
3. If enough liberals start voting Green Party, and the Republicans continue to tack leftward, then those of us with more solid conservative beliefs can more safely vote for a truly conservative third party candidate without fear of ending up helping the Democrat.
4. There are those that believe that multi-party democracies are anathema. Our two party system isn't working out so well right now. So maybe we should have four parties: leftist, leftish, rightish, and rightist.
So if you live in a solidly blue state I strongly urge you to vote for the Green Party for purely long-term strategic reasons. If you live in a solidly red state then you might want to get 10,000 of your closest friends to move with you to a battleground state in time to vote legally in November as a citizen of that state.
What would happen if every R voted for Newt Gingrich from here on out?
You tell me.
What would happen if everybody who has already voted in the primary told their R fundraising people that the well will be totally dry if they continue their illegal, thieving ways to get Romney as the candidate?
If we get Romney it’s our own damned fault.
If we get Obama it’s our own damned fault.
And the only reason we would do what it takes to get stuck with either one is if we are too COWARDLY to do what it takes to preserve this nation.
Joshua and Caleb were the only 2 spies from Israel who were allowed to enter the Promised Land - because they were the only 2 of the 12 who had the faith and courage to believe that it was theirs for the taking, according to the promise of the Lord. They had nothing to fear but fear itself. They chose fear and ended up wandering in the desert until they died because they refused to simply accept what was offered.
The Lord says that if His people who are called by His name humble themselves and pray then He WILL hear from Heaven and will save their land. That is a promise to us, just as surely as the Promised Land was a promise to the people of Israel. If our land is not saved it is because WE - you and I - have abandoned that promise because we were cowards. We chose to wander in the desert rather than simply take the Lord at His word and obey.
Our own complacency is what will kill this land.
Count me out. My parents gave me a legacy of freedom and I’ll die before I drop that baton so all my kids get is the echo of everything good clanging to the ground.
Not on my watch.
Those damned voters again. Ruins everything when you have to consider real flesh and blood voters, instead of fantasy voters. If only everybody agreed with me on everything, than I wouldn’t have to sweat it this November.
Wouldnt surprise me if Obozo dumped Biden and Hillary ran as his VP.
Would you want to be in the position where your beating heart is the only thing between Hillary and the Presidency?
With two parties on the right and one on the left,
I think that would make one party on the right and two on the left. The GOP is solidly left of center.
If you opt out, then if we get Obama it will be your fault not any of those who tried with what is at hand to eject him from the White House. Don’t do it. Just think of the fun you will have on election night channel surfing the networks if Obama loses. Priceless. Imagine a landslide against Obama. MSNBC might have a ratings spike. If for this reason alone you have to hold your nose, it will be worth it.
third party is not a viable option at this point. waste of time
and a waste of votes
Are you completely brainless?
If money works so good in primaries, why won’t it work in the general?
You’re not keeping up very closely around here, are you? No one’s arguing Gingrich wins the nomination outright. Just that Romney is prevented from getting his 1,144 by performing badly enough in the next 20 states.
Thanks for pointing out how close Newt is if he gets Santorum’s delegates. I haven’t been looking at that but that makes it strikingly more clear how winnable this thing is for Newt in a convention floor fight.
If money works so good in primaries, why wont it work in the general?
Are you completely retarded? Don't you realize if Newt wins the nomination, he will get all the money any Republican candidate would? MUCH more money goes into the general election than the primaries. Many donors hold out because they don't care who the Republican nominee is. Plus the party puts in their money in the general, not during the primaries, at least not openly.
Your the ying of the leftist yang who thinks the NY Times is a conservative newspaper. If your right, then we are screwed. Because if the GOP is also left wing, than conservatives like us here on FR are truly a small minority then.