Posted on 04/14/2012 4:35:57 PM PDT by CutePuppy
He was rubbing it in everybody's face that an old coot like him could get somebody like her. No matter how God awful she looked.
This doesn't make any sense. If Callista really looked "God awful," how would it be that "he was rubbing it in everybody's face"? And do you suggest he should not have appeared with his wife at the political events but rather should have left her behind? And for which particular reason - being "God awful" or being "too young and too beautiful"?
I think your statement is, at the very least, subjective, projective, unworthy and, by accounts of most people who know and have met Callista, simply untrue and offensive.
Newt would bring the ever Lurking Calista with him and she was the cause of divorce # 2.
Are you really so blinded by hate that you have no compunctions about repeating and even magnifying the thoroughly disproved, debunked, refuted old lies sprung by the vile liberal media and propagated by the sclerotic GOP establishment?
If you really want to educate yourself on the facts, let's separate them from hateful fiction.
First, Callista is no more "Lurking" near her husband at the events than any other candidate's wife, be it Ann Romney or Karen Santorum.
Second, Newt met Callista for the first time and started dating her in 1993, 6 years after he was legally separated in 1987 from his estranged runaway wife #2, Marianne Ginther Gingrich (who chose to keep that name after the divorce) so Callista could not possibly have been the reason or cause for their separation and eventual divorce. Gingrich has been with Callista for more than 18 years, and happily married to her since 1999, after he resigned from Congress and finalized the bitter drawn-out divorce from Marianne, which she wouldn't grant him in 1994 when he was busy executing the Second Republican Revolution / Gingrich Revolution working to take over the Congress and pushing through the Congress and the vetoes the Contract With America. Callista, not Marianne, was with him through the trials and tribulations of that exciting and turbulent time, and 18 years together with her (more than 12 years in marriage) is much longer and happier than so many marriages are today. For the sake of the family Newt later converted to life-long faith of Callista, Catholicism.
Details / Refs:
Gingrich: If it comes to a shutdown, the GOP should stick to its principles - FR post #104, 2012 February 12
Gingrich admits ABC claim was false - FR post #32 / WSJ, No-Fault Newt, by James Taranto, 2012 January 20
The Inner Quest of Newt Gingrich (1995: Marianne Promised To "Undermine Everything" For Newt) - FR post #143, 2012 January 18 / PBS/VF, by Gail Sheehy, 1995 September
Romney Must Get Personal Over Bain Capital Attacks - FR, posts #21, #36, #42, #3, 2012 January 12
Gingrich, he said, came back to Georgia to find his home emptied out. Browning said the pair maintained separate residences for six years ..... < snip >
Things happen in marriage, it doesn't always work out between two people, no matter how wonderful or horrible they might otherwise be. Rush Limbaugh is on his fourth marriage, to a much younger woman from a prominent Democratic family, he has no children, yet how many would question his conservative credentials, including being pro-life, pro-family and pro-marriage? Reagan was divorced and remarried when he became President, yet he's been one of the best pro-life and pro-family Presidents.
Newt has good relationship with his first wife Jackie (who wasn't dying from cancer and wasn't served divorce papers when she was in the hospital - another debunked liberal lie, picked up by Newt's detractors) and he and Callista have great relationship with his daughters and grandchildren. Instead of being bitter about this, we should be happy for them, just like we are for Karen Santorum who made her share of mistakes in her youth, but found a good path and good marriage.
Also notice that some of the most ardent supporters of Newt on FR are women. So much for the "gender gap" that many so-called "conservatives" keep warning us about Newt becoming a nominee... How is this "gender gap" working out for Mitt Romney so far in national polling? Never overestimate the "well-meaning warnings" as usually they are just a case of "reverse psychology" in action.
He was delusional to think he could get the evangelicals with that approach.
Also completely inaccurate.
In reality, the evangelical "leaders" have been very split about Newt and Rick, and then, as usual, chose poorly, in favor of "wear it on the sleeve" but poorly prepared, underfunded and unorganized candidate who had no chance to win but possibly get just enough support to either get "promoted" himself to VP slot or (if he becomes unviable as campaign unfolds) to push Romney to choose an evangelical "family values" candidate, à la Bush-Quayle ticket. Grassroots evangelical support can sometimes provide the margin of victory (slim, near miss Electoral College victories by George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004) but, in itself, is not enough to win national elections or elect a candidate that does not meet "GOPe Seal of Approval."
Bob Vander Plaats of Iowa, just like he did with Huckabee in 2008, endorsed Santorum, who was then polling at 2%, despite Newt providing Plaats' organization with $150K that were crucial to the successful ousting of three pro-gay-marriage Iowa Justices. And while Tony Perkins, Gary Bauer and James Dobson also endorsed Santorum, it took three rounds of voting to decide the "official endorsement" between Newt and Rick, with many other evangelical leaders either absent or openly individually endorsing Newt after this "consensus vote" at the Pressler Ranch near Houston, just before SC primary. Tim and Beverly LaHaye (Chair of Concerned Women of America), Jim Garlow, Don Wildmon and others also endorsed Newt, although they didn't actively campaign for him the way Dobson, Plaats, Perkins and Bauer did for Santorum.
From Gingrich: Christian Conservatives on My Side - RC, by Janie Lorber, 2012 January 17
"We think it's unfortunate that, for whatever reason, that it got labeled an endorsement," former Rep. J.C. Watts (Okla.) said. "Those who went in supporting Newt Gingrich came out supporting him more strongly." One Gingrich supporter at the meeting called the process a "hatchet job," and several attendees described scathing personal attacks, including references to the bad optics of a potential first lady — Callista Gingrich — who had once been the ex-Speaker's mistress. Others said several Gingrich supporters mistakenly left before the final round of voting. ..... < snip > < snip > ..... When presented with a choice between two candidates in the final round of voting, 85 of the participants voted for Santorum and 29 voted for Gingrich, a victory that Tony Perkins, head of the conservative Family Research Council, initially described as a "strong consensus." He walked back that characterization after a group of Gingrich supporters went public with concerns that it was not a consensus at all.
Look where Dobson, Perkins, Plaats and Bauer are now - they are reduced to going hat in hand to Romney camp / GOPe who will most likely treat them like Clinton did Sister Souldja.
The unprecedented amount of money and extraordinary lies and ruined "conservative" reputations, that it took to assault Gingrich in Florida, by entire GOPe, when they / Romney were on the verge of losing to the only representative Tea Party conservative remaining there showed that GOPe wants Tea Party to occupy the same place within the GOP structure that the social / "family values" conservatives do now - a reliable vote by a "minority" that "has nowhere else to go" - basically the same exact role that the blacks, Jews, GLBT, "women" and other "minorities" represent for the establishment of the Democrat party. It was a fight for survival for GOPe, against a small(er) government, Reagan conservatives Tea Party movement.
If we don't unite behind Newt, the Tea Party will be just like evangelicals - a few minority "local" groups that are only paid a lip service by GOPe on the national level. That may be just fine with some evangelical "leaders" - just like the blacks got the "first black President" Bill Clinton and now the first African-American (literally, Kenyan-American) President, the evangelicals might get another "compassionate conservative" like Bush-43. Where does it leave the country and the rest of us?
Evangelicals have simply been used by the GOPe to split the Tea Party vote, by providing them a "true conservative" alternative in the form of Santorum. For instance, there was never an attempt to intimidate or negotiate a cut off of Foster Friess' SuperPAC funds that provided just enough of a lifeline for Santorum's campaign, unlike pulling all stops to get Sheldon Adelson stop donations to SuperPAC for Gingrich, or planting various false stories about the funds cut just before the states' primaries (thus diverting votes of supposedly "strategic" voters from Gingrich to Romney or Santorum).
(BTW, as an aside, the reason for Adelson not favoring Rick has nothing to do with his religious or social views - Vegas is a union town, casinos and restaurants there have had problems with several unions for decades, so the record of historically cozy relations of Santorum with unions is anathema to Vegas businessmen. There are large patches of prime real estate off the Strip in Vegas that have been for sale for a long time that nobody wants to buy and develop, but Adelson's Las Vegas Sands and Sands Cotai Central is opening another $5B casino in Macau, and plans to spend $35B over 9 years to build casinos and resorts in Spain, Macau and elsewhere in Asia - sales and profits are substantially higher per square foot overseas than in the unionized and overregulated U.S. / Vegas casinos).
Unfortunately, the entire Santorum's / evangelicals campaign plan was based entirely on trying to get Newt's votes and Newt out of the race, even though everybody understood that he would be crushed by Romney immediately after, one on one, even as Gingrich kept nearly publicly saying (to no avail for mathematically challenged) that he sees this as a fight to deny Romney most delegates rather than just "winning" the states while ceding delegates to Romney because Santorum didn't even have the required delegates in several states:
From Santorum, Paul look past Nevada caucuses - WPVI-TV, 2012 February 04
..... Santorum's strategy has been to bloody Gingrich, outlast his one-time ally and then emerge as the eventual alternative to front-runner Romney. He also looked to have a strong showing Tuesday in Missouri, which is having a non-binding primary that lacks Gingrich's name on the ballot. Santorum said he hoped the head-to-head matchup with Romney would change the narrative of his sagging fortunes. ..... < snip > MONTROSE, Colo. (AP) - February 4, 2012 (WPVI) -- Rick Santorum said Saturday he wants to "endanger" rival Newt Gingrich while presidential rival Ron Paul claimed to have "reason to be optimistic" heading into Tuesday's contests as both Republican hopefuls peered ahead past the Nevada caucuses that handed both defeat. ..... < snip >
From Santorum refuses to bow despite another loss - WPVI-TV, 2012 February 05
He no longer has a national campaign headquarters; technically, he calls a post office box in Pennsylvania his base camp. His inner circle is seldom in the same location. His campaign manager is a New Hampshire consultant. His deputy campaign manager is Iowa-based and was only recently named to that role in an official capacity. His senior political adviser runs a firm in South Carolina and calls it home. ..... < snip >
Santorum is banking on Gingrich collapsing under Romney's withering criticism, leaving Santorum in the coveted and fluid role of the leading conservative alternative to Romney. ..... < snip > < snip > ..... Santorum has little money and virtually no momentum. He's trailing badly in national polls. He's had trouble getting on ballots in Virginia and Indiana. And he has essentially no staff in upcoming states - much less anything resembling the national operations his rivals are running.
Whoever thought that this may be a winning strategy against GOPe was nuts and had not learned the lessons of Huckabee 2008 run, when there wasn't even a fraction of money and the entire GOPe machine deployed against him like there was against Gingrich this year. Evangelicals played right into Romney / GOPe hands by insisting on "endorsing" and actively working for the "more perfect" single issue conservative as opposed to the supposedly "flawed" conservative.
To the delight of GOPe, it finally gave them an alternative to Newt - the race has turned from Anybody-But-Romney into Anybody-But-Gingrich. (Alinsky's rule #12 - "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.")
"The best weapon against an enemy is another enemy" - Friedrich Nietzsche
All they had to do now was keep Santorum's campaign on "life support" and ignore Gingrich as if he didn't exist in the race, except for ratcheting up the pressure on Adelson to cut off the funds to SPAC and keeping to mock Gingrich within the media and only repeatedly asking him when he is going to drop out (Alinsky's Rule #13 - "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.") to shut down his message and antagonize the voters against him within the party, similar to what they've done to Newt ever since he became the Speaker and to Palin since she became a VP candidate.
Newt has always been pro-life, unlike Mitt Romney who has been [s]electively pro-choice or pro-life when it suited him politically, or even Rick Santorum who has been pro-choice earlier in his life, before he married and ran for Congress (apparently, some early mistakes in life but not the life circumstances of the others could be forgiven by some evangelical leaders).
Newt was also an adopted child, an Army brat, having to move from place to place often, not experiencing or knowing much about love in his youth, and marrying very young and having two children in his 19 years long first marriage, yet at that time he also accomplished getting Master and PhD degrees in history and becoming a college professor. Yet he never plays up his humble and difficult upbringing. In contrast, Rick Santorum's stump speech starts with his grandfather in the "Pennsylvania mining town" while he conveniently avoids mentioning that he was basically a child of relative privilege (his father was a chief of psychology department, mother a chief of nurses in the local Butler, PA, VA hospital) so getting him a good education (MBA and JD) was not such a burden for his family.
I am not trying to dump on Rick, who is a good family man, and whose family has seen their share of tragedy and disappointments. But many of the people who were voting for Santorum or Romney somehow allowed themselves to be taken in by lies about Newt and not question them, progressing to hating Newt with a passion. I am just trying to show that if, in their minds, Rick and his family are deserving of Christian or human forgiveness for their transgressions, then certainly, by all means, so does Newt and his family.
Nobody gave Newt anything in life, he had to work very hard for everything he achieved in life, and despite all the hardship, he has a record of conservative accomplishments that very few people can boast or even dream about, both in public life and post-public entrepreneurial life. That's why he is hated, envied and, just like Ronald Reagan, reviled by the lunatic left and the comfortable establishment right.
"If you have no enemies, you are not important enough to have made any" - Alexandre Dumas
"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan
Hume is just another excuse for Newt in a long line of excuse's.
As far as the old and tired meme of "excuses" and "whining" by Gingrich goes, if you ask for and are given an explanation of certain facts, you can always label anything you don't like an "excuse" or "whine" to ignore and avoid dealing with the substance of an explanation. That, in itself, is a poor, childish excuse for attempting to "win" the argument the substance of which you are unable to refute but unwilling to accept.
You are more evil
If I were evil, we would get along - we'd have the same spirit. And WE DON'T. You have the same spirit as mitt and obama - the LYING spirit. Lying to deceive and deception is the only weapon satan has. Those who use it belongs to him.
I'll never stop talking about the evilness of Mitt.
EVIL is attracted to EVIL. You can't shake it off - you already attached yourself to it. That's why you are SO NASTY, VILE, and HATEFUL towards NEWT!! The same as Mitt is - the same spirit. That LYING SPIRIT you attached yourself to is going to bring you down, down, down. It doesn't end well. EVERYONE knows satan is the master of lies. His minions go where he is going.
Mitt will be the one who gives barry his re election and America is done. They have the same spirit. And all those accountable will be judged for their part and supporting a baby killing candidate never ends well. That blood doesn't wash off. Who's the KOOK now? I have kept my hands clean.
You will be getting what you don't want - Barry. The taint of supporting 'the one who ushers him to finish what he started - destroy America' remains on you. You don't want to hear it and satan doesn't want me to say it, neither does Mitt. All the same spirit.
Look it nutcase. You are the evil person. You flit around all over the place lobbing nasty posts to anybody who doesn’t agree with you.
I think you are insane and I pity you.
Now go play in the traffic.
You are more evil
If I were evil, we would get along - we would see eye to eye - because we'd have the same spirit. And WE DON'T. You have the same spirit as mitt and obama - the LYING spirit. Lying to deceive and deception is the only weapon satan has. Those who 'use it' belongs to him.
EVIL is attracted to EVIL. You can't shake it off - you already attached yourself to it. That's why you are SO NASTY, VILE, and HATEFUL towards NEWT!! The same as Mitt does. That LYING SPIRIT you attached yourself to is going to bring you down, down, down. EVERYONE knows satan is the master of lies. His minions go where their master is going.
You will be getting what you don't want - Barry. The taint of supporting 'the one who ushers him to finish what he started - destroy America' remains on you. You don't want to hear it and satan doesn't want me to say it, neither does Mitt. All the same spirit. And, me of a different spirit - says it!
Do you know that he is using his daughters? NO - so STOP with the lies on something you know NOTHING about. Did you ever stop to think his daughters know the truth and they are speaking on their own because they don't like the lies against their father. That thought would never enter the mind of one hell bent on trashing him.
I could never in a million years keep my kids from speaking out if anyone lied about me. That does NOT mean that I'm not accountable for my life!
Stop with the buck doesn't stop here. You either don't have children or just too damn clueless or can't resist trashing Newt.
permanently sidetracked him for much of America. It shows in the polls and in the voting results.
BS. It's the LIES that mitt spent millions upon millions to spread about Newt. That LYING POS MITT. Satan is the master of lies. Mitt is satan's minion! If you think Mitt won't s*^ew you, you are blinded just the way he wants you.
Where is Mitt's accountability - in the mess he left MA and his tripling of their taxes. HE DENIES IT! Where is his accountability for ALL HIS LIES. All of a sudden accountability doesn't matter? Post about him - he's the one who will usher in Obama. If you think Missy is giving up her lifestyle for a POS candidate like Mitt, you again are blinded. Mitt is he weakest of the weakest - it won't take much for Barry to bring him down. And remember YOU helped it all come about when Barry gets re elected. YOU doing the same dirty work that Mitt has done - LIES and trashing NEWT. The only one able to defeat Barry.
God sees all and knows all. And Newt will be rewarded in God's own way for staying in despite all the darts aimed at him and fighting for one nation under God and in honor of all those who gave their life for America, the protector of God's beloved Israel. Those who trashed and lied about him - like the PRO HOMO and baby killing candidate has - will receive wrath.
I wouldn’t say “choice,” but I’ll vote for Newt. Romney is dead last on my list.
Your spirit cannot handle truth and resists it. It gets restless hearing about it and all it’s possibilities and what if. The unteachable never learn until ‘the obvious’ happens and then it is too late to do anything about it.
You had enough warnings - now you can never say you didn’t know. It’s all written down to be presented to you when the time comes.
Very true. I made similar points on this silly thread.
deforest was being ganged up on and accused of destroying the country (by nominating Romney) so I thought it be entertaining to join in the fun, just like the good old days. And it was.
I agree. And I wonder about yours, in both cases. Newt has never spoken negatively about his ex-wifes, and neither have his children, and....
oh, forget it... someone who can make the false lying statement from their holier-than-thou judgmental perch like you have is NOT WORTH MY TIME.
So you speak for God now? ROTFLMAO!
Climb down off your mountain.
Your spirit is the most twisted and warped I have ever had the misfortune to see.
You are a monumental embarrassment to the conservative cause.
You are a laughingstock.
Laugh all you want now while you can because I will have the last laugh. That’s a given. You keep quivering in your boots. And hug your pro homo candidate a little harder.
They aren’t worth time. LIARS, boasters, lovers of themselves will be taken care of accordingly.
The Undefeated turned up on one of my cable movie stations (free naturally) so I DVRed it.
If you ever see it you will immediately think of these nutbags’s comments who were trying to push it here last year.
Ton's of biblical references making her out to be a modern day David or Moses who was ‘the one’ to be elected; created their vision of her slaying the Romney's and the Obama’s and leading the ‘conservatives’ out of darkness, just as they used to post over and over she would.
Man were they taken. And now again. A sucker is born every minute.
I was supporting Santorum, fool.
And whoever you would vote for would compel to to do the opposite.
You should be considered for a straightjacket.
I was supporting Santorum, fool.
And whoever you would vote for would compel to to do the opposite.
You should be considered for a straightjacket.
A year ago if you suggested that Newt would be the standard bearer for Conservatism I would have laughed in your face - he isn't Reagan - but he is no less Conservative than Rick. Plus he's a fighter, not a quitter.
Mitt doesn't have enough delegates. Newt's still fighting. Mittens will not win the general election - he just wont. There's no compelling case he can make to distinguish himself against his darker skinned twin.
Newt will mop the floor with Bammy. One debate between Gingrich and the Telepromptertard and he'll eviscerate, not just the muslim pretender, but liberalism at large.
If Newt's willing to fight on, how can we do any less?
Newt will mop the floor with Bammy. One debate between Gingrich and the Telepromptertard and he'll eviscerate, not just the muslim pretender, but liberalism at large.
If Newt's willing to fight on, how can we do any less?
You nailed it. Thank you for succinctly stating exactly where we are on April 16, 2012.
Freepers are cnservatives and we can make a difference. Go Newt!
I don’t like Newt. I do not think Newt is a stable person. He lacks wisdom and control. He could be a disaster.
I find it bizarre that while Santorum was doing so well, Newt supporters on this site treated him awfully and insulted Santorum voters 24/7. They refused to vote for Santorum in the primaries where he could have beaten Romney, but instead kept up the call for him to drop out. Now, they want what they refused to do since Super Tuesday. And they want it for a lost cause at this point.
Some around here don’t want to vote for the nominee. That is their right and it is my right to vote for who I want to vote for in the primary. Newt cannot win the nod outright. He could only try at a brokered convention.
If he is the nominee, I will vote for whoever the nominee is, but I will not be very cheerful about it.
I have said that for months now.
Keep the insults coming, it’s a sign the truth still hurts.
You’re the fool for supporting him! He says mitt is a conservative and tried the ‘force trick’ onto conservatives - in his ‘doing it for the team’ routine.
Watch your vote he will be given to mitt shortly. He’ll be turning over his wins to his master when he asks for them.
Are you sure you aren’t Margaret White, Carrie’s Mom?
I’m not quivering in my boots. In fact, I am thinking I might just flash my ole “dirty pillows” right at ya.
They’ve moved their adoration temporarily to Gingrich because of a desperate urge to cast someone as David against Goliath. They find the theme of Conservatives against evil of Biblical proportions entertaining. They’ll drop it only when they realize that their heros like Palin and Gingrich are losing in these Old Testament match-ups. Once they catch on to that irony one can hope that they will switch to a different theme that isn’t an embarrassment to the Old Testament.
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