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Click here to pledge your support! ^ | April 11, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain in full rebellion mode for the duration!

No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more RINOS!!

NO ROMNEY!!

Those who cannot stomach rebellion might as well start looking for a new home on the net!!

Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.

In case you haven't noticed, a TEA Party rebellion is on and Free Republic signed on years ago. There is no turning back. No more crap from the GOP-e!! They've screwed us for the last time!! Karl Rove and Mitt Romney, et al, loathe conservatism and loathe the tea party and took it upon themselves to use their money and connections to destroy nearly every one of our conservative tea party candidates while pushing their big government RINOS. That makes them the enemy. I will not reward that betrayal by giving them my support or my vote.

FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-limited government conservative site!!

We are beholden to NO ONE!! We bow to no kings!! We bow to NO RINOS!!

I'd rather fight and die like a man than bend over and be screwed by a RINO!! I refuse to kiss Karl Rove or Mitt Romney's rings!! They can kiss my rosy red ass instead!!

FUMR!! FUGOP!!

Long live the rebellion!!

Hope my message is clear.


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To: Colofornian

You might want to check your ‘Jacob’ reference.


1,201 posted on 04/12/2012 9:03:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Colofornian

I should have kept reading ...


1,202 posted on 04/12/2012 9:05:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Jeff Head; All
But, if that doesn’t happen, then that post speaks my mind and it is really pretty easy to understand and why...I say so. And it is not the words you are attempting to put in my mouth.

ALL: IN two posts, I quoted Jeff as he spoke about Romney...

Jeff, I'm not taking issue with the order Romney arrived as your choice.

I'm taking issue with your prevarications about Romney re: his track record on abortion & healthcare in MA.

ALL: Read Jeff's entry @ 818 for yourself...then read JimRob's two responses (posts 1171 & 990) + my two responses (posts 1122 & 1144)

1,203 posted on 04/12/2012 9:06:08 PM PDT by Colofornian ( The Romneybots are political descendents of Esau: Trading a FR inheritance for a 'lentil soup' guy)
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To: true believer forever

Alright, this is an improvement. We’ve got a plan from Gingrich. We can pick it to pieces, but at least we’ve got a plan.

That’s more than we had a few days ago.


1,204 posted on 04/12/2012 9:06:43 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: sam_paine

Don’t put so much stock in off-the-cuff comments by politicians. Look more to their records. That’s where you’ll find the real man or woman.


1,205 posted on 04/12/2012 9:08:11 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: volunbeer

FUMR!!


1,206 posted on 04/12/2012 9:10:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: onyx

I am praying urgently!


1,207 posted on 04/12/2012 9:10:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Colofornian

People can read them and I invite them to do so.

At the same time, I hope Newt can pull it off. Right now, Newt is my choice and I hope I do not have to go beyond that.

If not, and Romney is ultimately the nominee, then I will not say any more on this board about my own decision out of respect for, and abiding by the wishes of, the owner of this board, Jim Robinson, for whom I have a lot of respect.


1,208 posted on 04/12/2012 9:12:05 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Pilsner

What was it about Pontius Pilate that you dislike the most? The fact that he tried to talk the people into doing the right thing or the fact that he let them make their own choices?


1,209 posted on 04/12/2012 9:15:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: onyx; Jim Robinson; All

Amen!
And prayer, resolve and relentless adherence
to our very fundamental American values are
vital. Pray .. more than ever now .. in light
of the latest endorsement.


1,210 posted on 04/12/2012 9:16:28 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Dengar01
the Tea Party needs to commandeer the Republican party the way the American Communist Party hijacked the Democrat Party

the republican establishment elites need to dragged out of the ivory tower and thrown across the isle where they belong

1,211 posted on 04/12/2012 9:19:25 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: Secret Agent Man

Worth the reads...then you’ll have a small taste of how Newt manuvers what’s necessary to get us what we want...but without us backing him...we loose altogether...he cannot do this without people supporting and the media is doing all they can to keep him out of the picture.

The pundits were knocking Newt all over the place again....why? If he’s not a threat to them then they shouldn’t be troubled by him. But Newt opens his mouth and in come the troops..and even Obama responds...Why? We know why..he’s the only threat against them and he’s our David agains Goliath.


1,212 posted on 04/12/2012 9:25:25 PM PDT by caww
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To: Jim Robinson
Now that his nomination is likely and he no longer needs to tiptoe around the tea party being careful not to offend us, watch how much distance he puts between himself and the tea party and how fast he does so.

And no one should forget that Romney's policies and actions (i.e. his jobs' initiative) as Governor of Massachusetts directly contributed to the 2008 financial crisis.

1,213 posted on 04/12/2012 9:28:30 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Norm Lenhart
I must have forgot, the part where exercising my right to vote for a candidate other then your choice is the same as blowing up a bus full of kids. My mistake. I'm so glad I have you to remind me.

So when Sarah Palin, Newt , Santorum and any other conservatives endorse Romney, which they will, you can tell them how they're all RIno’s now. And do you have any elected or other authoritative position that decides voting for one so called RINO makes you no longer a conservative? Just exactly why do you get to make this judgment on people? I can see Jim Robinson having the authority to kick whoever he
wants off his site, but you have no business telling people they're not conservative or anything else for that matter. You don't even know me and what I've done with the Tea Party or any other conservative group. If I supported Ronald Reagan over Barry Goldwater in the 60’s (if they had been in the same primary) would I lose my conservative credentials because I voted for the more liberal one on the political spectrum? Of course I could chalk that up to youthful indiscretion as I would have been about -6 years old.

1,214 posted on 04/12/2012 9:31:23 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: darrellmaurina
Alright, this is an improvement. We’ve got a plan from Gingrich. We can pick it to pieces, but at least we’ve got a plan.

That’s more than we had a few days ago.

Just a little picker-upper for the boots: The day before Santorum dropped out, newt's facebook page had 195,000 likes, yesterday it had 295,000 likes. Movement.

Email From Cheryl Tracy, I believe she is with 2012:

"Thank you Santorum supporters. Newt expected 12,000 new donors and supporters when Mr. Santorum suspended his campaign and instead the Newt web site was over loaded with over 45,000 new donors and supporters. Most of us realize how difficult it is to throw your support to another campaign when your candidate drops out. You Santorum supporters are amazing Patriots. Thank you from all fellow American Conservatives." Cheryl Tracy

1,215 posted on 04/12/2012 9:35:02 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

Romney is very liberal, not moderate


1,216 posted on 04/12/2012 9:35:47 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GlockThe Vote
do me a favor though - if Romney loses - you need to STFU about anything Bama does over the next four years.

You truly do not get it, do you?

We know exactly what Obama is going to (try to) do over the next four years, should he be re-elected. We also know that the level of opposition to his Commie agenda will grow into something near to a full-scale civil war, if he pushes us any further.

Elect Romney, on the other hand, and our side won't show near the opposition to his near-identical performance in office. He's 85 mph to Obama's 100. We still wind up in the same place, but with an avowed and transparent despot in office, there will be more OPPOSITION to his transgressions and over-reach. Not so with the milk man, Romney, who will lull a Republican Congress to sleep because he's 'their guy'. They will allow him ten times the latitude that they'd allow Obama, simply because he's sporting the right jersey.

Understand these dynamics, and understand that Romney is actually far more dangerous to the long-term prospects of not only patriotic conservatism in the US, but the near-term survival of the nation as we know it.

1,217 posted on 04/12/2012 9:37:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

> Can we expect you to change your screen name to “DefeatGal” anytime soon?

Nope. I’m spending my money on working to elect conservatives to Congress.

Because Obama or Romney, the result is going to be awful. I’m making sure I work as hard as I can for a Congress that will stand up to socialism and liberalism, whether from the Dims or the GOP.


1,218 posted on 04/12/2012 9:49:11 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: MacMattico

Sorry that truth offends you and gets in the way of a clear conscience. BTW, I have every much ‘right’ to call out Romney voters on their twisted ‘logic’ as you have in voting for him. Deal with it.

Standing back silent while moderates and libs wrecked America IS why we have Romney as the GOP ‘choice’. Not gonna do it any more. And I don’t really care if anyone short of Christ himself comes out of the political closet and backs the lib. Their actions, and your, determine what they/you really are. Moderate, Liberal or conservative.

Vote accordingly with that knowledge.


1,219 posted on 04/12/2012 9:51:27 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Windflier

Elect Romney, on the other hand, and our side won't show near the opposition to his near-identical performance in office. He's 85 mph to Obama's 100. We still wind up in the same place, but with an avowed and transparent despot in office, there will be more OPPOSITION to his transgressions and over-reach. Not so with the milk man, Romney, who will lull a Republican Congress to sleep because he's 'their guy'. They will allow him ten times the latitude that they'd allow Obama, simply because he's sporting the right jersey.

Excellent summation. "Simply because he's sporting the right jersey." Exactly. It's nice so many of our FRiends do see the bigger picture.


1,220 posted on 04/12/2012 9:57:40 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Windflier
So we're suppose to sit out the Presidential but vote for the congressional Republican candidates that you say would just roll over on any liberal legislation Romney would propose? Sounds like your just voting for RINOS down the line. And this helps how? Obama doesn't care about congress anyway, he just rules by executive fiat and let's agency’s like the EPA and Justice Dept. Run wild.

If these “down the line” republicans and conservatives we're being told to vote would just role over for Romney, they're no better or any “less RINO” then he is, according to your logic.

1,221 posted on 04/12/2012 10:01:17 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Jeff Head

I stand with you, 100%!


1,222 posted on 04/12/2012 10:05:23 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: so_real
So we're suppose to vote for people that would back Romney because he's wearing the “right Jersey” as you say?

If that's true how are these people anymore worthy of our vote then Romney? You're saying they all have no backbone and can be led around like sheep. Jeesh. We've gone from don't vote for Romney because he's the same as Obama to all Republican members of congress are RINOS that would be hypnotized by Romney into voting for his liberal agenda. What's next a link to where I can donate to Obama '12?

1,223 posted on 04/12/2012 10:15:14 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Norm Lenhart

Thank you all knowing wise political guru. /S

You invoke Christ’s name an awful lot for someone so full of judgment and spite for those that don’t walk in your shadow.


1,224 posted on 04/12/2012 10:23:13 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: KTM rider

Amen, call them Country Club Republicans, Check Pants Republicans or Ivory Tower Republicans. They all should be beat with a golf club and get real conservatives to run otherwise we need a Tea Party Party. F the GOP, so if Romney loses does this mean the homo from South Carolina is next in line? Lindsey Graham vs. Obama’s third term after he makes an executive order eliminating term limits...


1,225 posted on 04/12/2012 10:27:14 PM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Bulls!!! Go Blackhawks!!! Go White Sox!!!)
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Amen Brother; Jim this was great to read in another dismal Romney week of political worthlessness.


1,226 posted on 04/12/2012 10:27:19 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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Who the F would vote for that clown Romney, anyway? Just sayin'. Count me still OUT.
1,227 posted on 04/12/2012 10:33:09 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: libdestroyer

And what if Obama wins and gets a fully Democrat Congress? Then your lame duck just healed himself and goes crazy mad with his Marxist agenda.


1,228 posted on 04/12/2012 10:36:49 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Well, if you are asking my opinion, vote for every candidate on the ballot that appears to evince in word and deed genuinely conservative values and convictions. Avoid those candidates having a history of advancing progressive liberal positions. Pray and listen. Romney is a non-starter for me as he is decidedly a progressive liberal -- Harry Reid with better hair -- Hillary Clinton but less competent. However, if you sincerely feel that he reasonably represents constitutional conservatism as our Founders intended, pull the lever for him. I do not ... and will not.


1,229 posted on 04/12/2012 10:40:28 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
"Simply because he's sporting the right jersey."

Exactly. It's nice so many of our FRiends do see the bigger picture.

Thank you my friend, but it does seem sometimes that we're waging a never-ending battle against illogic and ignorance in our camp. Jim Rob said just about everything that needed to be said about Romney in his excellent lead post, but this thread has gone over a thousand posts anyway.

So much work...

If people thought Obama conned us, they're wrong. He was transparent about his political philosophy from the very start. Romney is the real con, because he pretends to stand for things that his record shows he is diametrically opposed to. The man in an abject LIAR.

I just do not understand why some people don't plainly see that.

1,230 posted on 04/12/2012 10:42:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Of course Obama didn't con us... And that's why so many of us will vote for the nominee and not give Obama another term and end up in a gulag.
1,231 posted on 04/12/2012 10:59:30 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico
So we're suppose to sit out the Presidential but vote for the congressional Republican candidates that you say would just roll over on any liberal legislation Romney would propose? Sounds like your just voting for RINOS down the line. And this helps how?

Your comments are so dispersed, I don't think I can respond to everything you said. But, let me try to address just a couple of points of logic here.

Try to understand human psychology. It's really not all that difficult. People may seem complex, but what makes them tick at their core, is usually pretty simple.

We send the best people we can to Congress, but they're just people. They're as flawed as any of us. Look at Free Republic, for instance. If there were ever a place where the straight dope on Romney was frequently published, and in great detail, it's this place. Yet despite the overwhelming body of evidence available on this website, you still have so-called staunch conservatives here, openly suggesting that we ignore everything we know about this man - throw our deeply held principles to the wind, and give him our vote.

Excuse the f**k out of me, but WHAT???

Well, that's exactly the same phenomena that will happen in Congress (who are even less well-informed than average Freepers) if Romney is elected. Do you really think the good people we send to Congress just suddenly go stupid when they get their first drink of DC water? No, they don't, but they do fall prey to the same kind of nonsensical social dynamics that are at play on this very forum.

This is why they'll roll over and allow Romney to do things they'd never let Obama get away with.

Here's the deal. The fat lady ain't sung yet in this primary battle. We've still got one conservative with a proven track record in this race. The way forward may be daunting at this point, but it's a whole lot less daunting than what the Founding Fathers faced in the mid 1700s.

We don't have to pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor to get the job done. We only need to stay firm in our convictions and push the better man to the top, to win the day.

1,232 posted on 04/12/2012 11:03:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MacMattico
Of course Obama didn't con us... And that's why so many of us will vote for the nominee and not give Obama another term and end up in a gulag.

Mitt Romney is only half a step to Obama's right. That's not my opinion - it's documented fact.

Do you have the faintest idea what that means? It means that your faith in Willard Romney is misplaced. Foolhardy, even.

If you think that anything is going to substantially change with Mitt as president, you're either ignorant of the facts about him, or you're drinking the RINO Kool-Aid and throwing your fate to the wind.

1,233 posted on 04/12/2012 11:14:04 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Do the math. Look at the upcoming states. Create a spreadsheet if need be. The fat lady has sung.

“nonsensical social dynamic” and “going stupid” to quote you= Same result, and shows lack of backbone and real conservative principles, so once again, how are these down ticket candidates worth voting for in your purist conservative world?


1,234 posted on 04/12/2012 11:14:29 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico
“nonsensical social dynamic” and “going stupid” to quote you= Same result, and shows lack of backbone and real conservative principles, so once again, how are these down ticket candidates worth voting for in your purist conservative world?

You aren't being consistent. First, you tell me that we ought to vote for the big government liberal, Romney, then you complain about congressmen who lack conservative principles. You then call me a "conservative purist".

Geez, friend. You need to find a place that suits you and plant your feet there. I don't think you have any idea where you stand, politically.

I'll tell you one thing -- if you were standing firm on conservative principles, there's no way we'd even be having this conversation right now.

1,235 posted on 04/12/2012 11:23:02 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

No, I’m saying if you can’t vote for for Romney because you say he’s to liberal, how can you urge us to vote for people down ticket that if were elected would be so easily swayed to vote for a Romney liberal agenda if Romney were President? That’s what you said.

I plan on voting ABO and most conservative and electable down the line.


1,236 posted on 04/12/2012 11:34:03 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Colofornian; Jim Robinson; All

Hi Colofornian,

Your analogy would be more suitable if the bride (the USA), brought two grooms to you to decide who she will marry (elect as President). Both of which do not meet your standards. But she will marry one anyway.

Now which one do you pick? The one with the least problems? (Remember she WILL marry one of the two.) Or would you foolishly pick the one with the most problems?

Or just as bad, you pick one she won’t marry (a candidate with no chance of winning) or no one at all. Now you have left the decision up to her and she might pick the worst one of the two.

...Luckily, the marriage will only last 4 years and not forever. So in the meantime, you can counsel her on her next groom... someone you approve of.


1,237 posted on 04/12/2012 11:41:26 PM PDT by whiterhino
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To: MacMattico
I’m saying if you can’t vote for for Romney because you say he’s to liberal, how can you urge us to vote for people down ticket that if were elected would be so easily swayed to vote for a Romney liberal agenda if Romney were President?

I don't recall urging anyone to vote any which way on the down-ticket. Now, if you want my opinion on that, I think that everyone should do their very best due diligence on the public service records of everyone running for Congress, and vote for those who have the best conservative voting records.

My point to you, was, even the best people we can send to Congress are only human. They are as susceptible to the pressure of group dynamics as any of the rest of us, and will likely let their guard down if there's a Republican in the White House. This, despite the fact that the man is an abject liberal. They simply WILL NOT oppose him near as strongly as they will oppose an avowed enemy, such as Obama.

I don't know how much clearer I can make that. I've explained it to you numerous times now. It's a key bit of logic that every conservative needs to get a grip on this very minute.

1,238 posted on 04/12/2012 11:43:19 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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Vote for Newt — the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Party candidate!!!

Go Newt!!!


1,239 posted on 04/12/2012 11:46:02 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: whiterhino

Don’t ping me to your RINO loving crap.


1,240 posted on 04/12/2012 11:59:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: sand lake bar
No one can realistically believe that McCain wouldn’t be better. No one can seriously claim that Romney wouldn’t be better.

Maybe, but I'll take a stab at explaining the differences, as I see them. It's a matter of degrees. Examining some key issues here is what I see in terms of Obama, McCain, and Romney.
Health care deform: Both McCain and Obama supported socalized medicine and McCain was notorious for reaching across the aisle. We would probably have McCain rammed down our throats instead of Obamacare. Romney came up with Romneycare and as has been shown suggested at the time his plan was something the federal government could use as an example. So will he stand for repealing it? Maybe, but probably not.

Budget: Our massive spending and debt under both Bush and Obama should prove the republicans can spend like drunken sailors too. The only way the budget is going to get fixed is if we have someone with the gumption to stand strong against the democrats and their pet programs. Considering the revised number on Obamacare a repeal is needed to even get close to a reasonable budget. This is Romney's strongest (least weak) category, but surely not an encouraging one. He'd be better than Obama, but maybe not different enough to matter in the long run.

Judiciary: This was the reason I supported McCain against Obama in 2008, I figured it was important that we have decent justices on the Supreme Court. Romney's record speaks for itself he has appointed Liberal judges including ones with strong pro ‘gay rights’ stances. Let's not let Romney off the hook because he was governor of a Liberal state, think what that implies about his choices if the Democrats get the house or senate. Again pretty hard to tell if he'd be better than Obama.

Abortion: We know where Obama is. We aren't sure where Romney is, but it doesn't look good.

Gun Control: Obama: typical liberal; McCain: probably would have been okay. Romney: record not the greatest, again no passes for being in a Democrat state.

Electability: As this discussion proves many in the tea-party crowd and republican base are less than thrilled with Romney as they were with McCain. That can't bode well in November. Also, I know it hasn't become an issue yet (libs are still gathering ammunition); but Romney's religion stands a pretty good chance of making this election all about race after all it will be hard to differentiate in some other key areas which makes it hard to campaign. Romney has done a good job beating up Republicans, how well will he do against Obama? Better to take a stand now than rerun 2008 all over again. Yes, I'm seriously claiming Romney wouldn't be that much better. I'm certainly not giving up while there so much as a snowball chance in Hades of another option to Romney and Obama.

1,241 posted on 04/13/2012 12:05:40 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (In case of doubt: Attack! George S. Patton)
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To: Jim Robinson; whiterhino

“whiterhino

Since Sep 15, 2008”

These 2008 signups are surely conservative.

Or not.

Especially if they are a White Rhino.

Who puts “white” in their nic?

lol


1,242 posted on 04/13/2012 12:08:47 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: csense; All
It's just another symptom of this fantasy you guys have jumped headlong into. Any political ideology, and that includes conservatism, that attempts to place itself between me and the Bill of Rights to act as sole arbiter and interpreter, is the definition of tyranny.

Projection on your part. How typical.

I guess the true colors come out for those pretenders on a Conservative forum who are pushing the same crap forcefed to us by the Ruling Class who demonstrate they have no clue what Conservatism actually is. Obviously, neither do you.

You suggest Conservatism a threat to the BOR in the same way the Marxist Left does; as a fantasy and a tyranny - while you ridicule those who have decided to rebel against the Ruling Class stooges.

You make my case, and Conservatives need to see domestic enemies of the Constitution for what they are; whether they be Marxists, Socialists or Liberals in any party that works against the principles this nation was founded on. If that makes you uncomfortable, too damn bad. This is war for what's left of our liberty and we're done with supporting it in any way - an adulterous and treasonous party.

We have the right and duty to throw off those who would be our masters and set new guards for our liberty. And we're going to do it our way from now on. We are no longer beholden to support those forcefed to us for the sake of party and our own dissolution by their adulterous compromising.

1,243 posted on 04/13/2012 12:23:39 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: volunbeer

Depressingly, you’re right. Conservatives in America (and indeed the whole world) have been losing the culture wars for decades, and it will take decades to recover - if we even can. Its hardly surprising - we are the ones who are saying “no”, which is always less sexy than saying “yes”. Unfortunately, sometimes you do have to say “no”.


1,244 posted on 04/13/2012 12:28:50 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Jim Robinson

I am NOT voting for Mitt Romney for a slew of reasons.


1,245 posted on 04/13/2012 12:29:07 AM PDT by MarMema (freedom for Amir)
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To: so_real
we conservatives cannot win because the GOP has foisted a liberal progressive upon us

I don't think this is true. The GOP didn't stop anyone from entering the field and didn't keep all the notMitts in the race and didn't split the vote between them.

We couldn't agree on here who to back; we still can't agree on Newt and he's the only one left.

We didn't have a good field of candidates and we didn't unite behind one of the ones we had. If we magically created a FR Conservative Party tomorrow, I doubt we wouldn't split and fight and destroy each nominee again.

The party ain't the problem.

1,246 posted on 04/13/2012 12:34:03 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: MacMattico

I agree (for the most part). Much as I love Newt, I will vote ABO in November. I owe it to my daughter, whom I raised by myself after divorcing her tyrannical dad, because I know she has ZERO future with Obama. I’ll take my chances with ABO over the MARXIST that currently resides in the WH. How can you not see he is a Marxist? I mean, seriously, his words spell it out clear as day.


1,247 posted on 04/13/2012 12:35:10 AM PDT by sybilll
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To: D-fendr
The party ain't the problem.

This is true.

We've become a II Timothy 3 Generation as a culture. God has given us over to strong delusion and confusion. The patriarchs of our country believed they were suffering the tyranny of the Crown because they had sinned as a people. In the decades leading up to Independence, Repentance was preached from the pulpits and the people sought God in their daily living beyond just words once a week.

We're in this mess for many reasons, but primarily for those on this forum, it's because we're putting politics first as a solution to the problems this people chose for themselves and not doing 2 Chronicles 7:14.

Of course the circular firing squad we saw this year was beyond the pale, and that was stoked by operatives in Obama; Romney and Ron Paul's camps. That looks to continue so the Marxists and RINO's will continue to trod over what is left of us.

1,248 posted on 04/13/2012 12:52:27 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

It wasn’t mine, but I think you make an excellent point.

I could try to add or elaborate on it, but not improve it.

thank you.


1,249 posted on 04/13/2012 12:55:10 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: MestaMachine; Josh Painter; onyx
Just speculatin', mind you, but if everyone who SAYS or SAID they would write in Palin if romney won stole the nomination, she would actually win.

FWIW, THE UNDEFEATED is now free-streaming for Netflix members, if anyone needs reminding of why Palin Power works.

PS: note the closing credits where our own Josh Painter is listed!

1,250 posted on 04/13/2012 1:51:39 AM PDT by b9 (Newt is substance. The others are talking points.)
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