Posted on 04/11/2012 3:19:09 PM PDT by pawpawrick
MIAMI (CBSMiami) – George Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder for the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, according to the Associated Press.
Additionally, Zimmerman has been taken into custody, but it hasn’t been revealed where he is being held.
CBSMiami has confirmed that State Attorney Angela Corey, who was appointed as a special prosecutor in the case, will hold an announcement about the charges at 6 p.m. in Jacksonville.
That press conference can be viewed LIVE starting at 6 p.m. by clicking here.
It’s a head-scratcher, based on all that is publicly known.
“State Attorney Angela Corey,”
All I can say about her is: Just because you are as big as a barn doesn’t mean you have to wear red!
“They’ll never get a conviction. Heck they won’t even get a jury.”
“They” didn’t have any evidence by which to prosecute, either.
All bets are off. ANYthing can happen.
Anyone who dares to predict with certainty as to what’s coming next.... is talkin’ through their hats!
His comment about not giving the other guy a heads up to your potential defense is right on the money.
Thank you.
Let us not forget....Zimmerman told the dispatcher that he had lost sight of Trayvon and that he was heading back to his car.
Trayvon came out of nowhere to attack Zimmerman, yes I know per Zimmerman’s account but evidence backs him up.
Trayvon COULD HAVE GONE HOME!
Let’s not forget that.
I figure the prosecutor went ahead with this charge for a couple of reasons and I’ll throw them out there. First, I been given this a lot of thought. I am a bit of True Crime buff so speculation and insight is not foreign to me.
But a young man DID die that fateful night. He died through no prior plan, of this I am convinced. And if you read my Blog post, I’m not convinced that Trayvon meant to kill Zimmerman either.
Something in me just gets a bit squeamish at the notion that a person can be killed by gunshot as this came down and NOTHING came of it.
Hold on. I know the Sanford police investigated everything and I’ve no doubt that they believed Zimmerman’s story and I too believe Zimmerman’s story.
But it seems to me that someone else, someone beyond the police, should have done some kind of official inquiry into that thing. I know grand juries aren’t convened unless to bring a first degree charge, if I understand all I’ve been reading. I don’t think anybody thinks George should be charged with first degree murder.
It does seem kind of....empty....like there should have been a more official inquiry than that of a small town police force. THAT fact, as much as anything, is lending fuel to the race baiters.
So that is one reason I think the special prosecutor came up with the charge, to fill in that great big chasm in the act and the investigation.
Second, the facts are, and will come out, that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, I believe this. This fact alone will get Zimmerman off. TRAYVON COULD HAVE WALKED AWAY!
He could have went home, he could have just loped off from the source of his torment, George Zimmerman.
He didn’t. He attacked Zimmerman and this will be proved. As I’ve read, the funeral home found no other marks on Trayvon save the gunshot wound but this is just speculation now, nothing official. While Zimmerman had gashes on his head, grass stains on his back, was screaming for help.
The plan is to go ahead and charge Zimmerman, get the race baiters some fresh meat to heap up the base for Obama, then hold off as long as possible for a trial, until it’s forgotten.
This is all political, sad. Once we get the biggest race baiter out of office maybe this sort of thing will die down.
If I were Zimmerman, I’d change my name to something like, say, ‘Dylan’ and escape to Ireland!
I think the prosecutor didn’t take it to a Grand Jury because she was not sure of the outcome. To me this is very dangerous. It tells me if you defend yourself and the victim is black you will be charged. Even though it looks like Zimmerman was in imminent danger of bodily harm! If he is found innocent this will cost him millions to defend himself.
Enough of my rant/reality check.
Nuff Said.
soooo..let me get this right..
If I get my head pounded into the concrete and try to defend myself and kill the guy attacking me—I face a second degree murder charge?
Where do you get the “ordered to do by the 911 operator” bit? I heard the operator tell Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that”, but never heard an order or admonishment that he stop following him. The operator simply said “we don’t need you to do that” when Zimmerman responded yes to the question by the operator regarding whether he was following the suspicious person he was calling about (Martin).
Do you have definitive proof of your statement?
The call taker asked Zimmerman if he (Zimmerman) lived in the community. Zimmerman said yes. Call taker asked apartment number, Zimmerman responded that it was a house. Call taker asked address. Zimmerman answered
with his home address (I presume, because that was muted out during broadcast playback on fox), and then Zimmerman quickly said something along the lines of, “darn! I don’t want that going out on the radio, I don’t know where this guy is.”
Meaning to me, that Zimmerman really doesn’t know where Martin is, and thinking that possibly if the police have him when Zimmerman’s address is broadcast over the radio, that Martin could come back later and get him,or his family.
Of course, I could be wrong in guessing what Zimmerman is thinking; but it’s for sure what I would be thinking... Cops stop Martin, cops release him, Martin remembers address of complainant, Martin comes to Zimmerman house to exact his retribution for Zimmerman calling cops on him.
Not a prayer to make Murder 2 stick. She had Manslaughter and now won’t get a thing.
Self-defense is not “unlawful killing”, so to have a prayer of proving 2nd degree murder they’d have to prove that Z wasn’t acting in self-defense. And they’d have to have something to refute the 911 call, the testimony of all the witnesses, and Zimmerman’s injuries.
I don’t know what evidence would be able to do that.
Try reading the constitution and the bill of rights...
Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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I read it the same way, just couldn’t discern who “he” was in the first post. Locally, witness ID’s (curbstones) are done with the same issues in mind.
I am left speechless on why Gov Scott gave this obvious Obams reelection scam the fuel to keep going by appointing this sadly media hungry attorney
.
He should fire whoever advised him to hire this clown .
He has a Obama led left wing media side show thanks to her
Blind ambitions !
The only thing that really bothers me is what he said at his against-legal-counsel interview with the DA’s office.
If there are facts here that are unreleased and GZ is truthfully guilty of something, I have no problem with him being charged, but man - If he went and gave an interview to a hostile DA and answered a question “incorrectly,” and gave the DA ammunition to trump up a charge, I’m just as frustrated wtih GZ as I am with the prosecutor. He should have known better than to talk to her without counsel present.
That aside, her demeanor was certainly unprofessional and gave the impression of a lack of objectivity or distance from the events.
Not clear to me. Where do you get this other than from Zimmerman's statement.
When Zimmerman lost Trayvon and went to his pickup to go home the encounter initiated by Zimmerman was over.
The encounter was not near Zimmermans truck. He made up the story that he was no longer following Trayvon to cover his ass.
The encounter that resulted in a death began when Trayvon approached Zimmerman. He asked why Z was following him.
Exactly. Zimmerman lied when he said he was not following Trayvon. What else is he lieing about?
Just presenting the other side.
Which makes me think that all of this "justice for Trayvon" talk from the prosecution is cynical anti-riot insurance.
For all their talk about "murder", I am certain that they will offer the jury the option to convict for involuntary manslaughter, which is what they are hoping for all along.
Self defense is an affirmative defense. If the defendant doesn’t assert it, and the deceased wasn’t executed by the state, his death is presumed to be unlawful.
In the Tawana Brawley nest of lies, Sharptoon was ordered to pay Pagones $65,000, famously refused, and had other Amish pay the judgment on his behalf. Brawley still owes Pagones $185,000.
"In 1998, Pagones was awarded $345,000 (he sought $395 million) through a lawsuit for defamation of character that he had brought against Sharpton, Maddox and Mason. The jury found Sharpton liable for making seven defamatory statements about Pagones, Maddox for two and Mason for one. The jury deadlocked on four of the 22 statements over which Pagones had sued, and it found eight statements to be non-defamatory.[27] In a later interview, Pagones said the turmoil by the accusations of Brawley and her advisers had cost him his first marriage and much personal grief.[28]Pagones had also sued Brawley. She defaulted by not appearing at the trial, and the judge ordered her to pay him damages of $185,000. As of 2003, none of the award had been paid.[29] The $65,000 judgment levied against Al Sharpton was paid for him in 2001 by supporters, including renowned attorney Johnnie Cochran plus former businessman Earl G. Graves, Jr.[30][31]"
Go Bobby Dylan!!
There’s usually some “justice for the victim” talk made during the trial, this was over the top. Murder is a crime against the state, and the prosecutor is charged with seeking justice for the people of the state. This is why in some cases the state will prosecute even though the victim doesn’t want it to. Justice for the victim is a by-product of the system, not its rationale.
My God, I live in Jax and they talked about moving the trial here....Yeesh.
At best...
Also, whatever happened to the media narrative of 'racial slur' uttered by Zimmerman? Oh darn, it turned out to be 'f___king COLD'.. Drats!
Yep.
Not so.
Trayvon did begin to run and Zimmerman did follow him. But he TOLD the dispatcher, it’s on the tape, that he lost Trayvon. Somebody upthread said Zimmerman was lying when he said he lost Trayvon. could be I guess. Any scenario could be invented to replace the truth I suppose.
Zimmerman did follow Trayvon but he lost him. He told the dispatcher he lost him and he was returning to the truck.
Trayvon then attacked him; blindsided him. This is, of course, Zimmerman’s version of events. Go with me here, Zimmerman is the only one left alive to tell his side of the story.
What IS known is that George had a bashed head, was heard screaming for help, had grass stains on the back of his shirt. Per leaks from the funeral director, Trayvon had no such wound.
You got one live guy, one dead guy. The live guy tells his side of the story. He could be lying.
To discern the truth as much as possible, gotta go with the facts. And the facts as documented match zimmerman’s version of events.
You can, of course, make up your own version of the story, why the hell not?
The jury will hear the facts and the facts are documented.
A guilty verdict would cow many of the sheep into not committing the racist hate crime of SDWW (Self Defense While White) just in time for the upcoming mau mau presidential campaign.
Stole SDWW from another FReeper.
Chill!
the guy was a TV analyst also for the Casey Anthony trial..he KNOWS how to play the media..that is good.
If I pick a fight and try start losing I can kill the guy attacking me and get off scott free.
No, Florida is lost to them. But they are willing to let Florida burn to get VI, NC, PA, OH and MI in line.
If you’re referring to the contact a few days ago, my understanding is they hung up on him as soon as they found out who was calling, which would be the appropriate thing to do. They’d have major problems if they’d talked to someone represented by counsel without the lawyer present.
I live in Jacksonville where Ms. Corey hails from, and it seems to me this was simply the least painful/most gutless choice she could make, both in charging GZ and in the charge she went with.
For sake of argument, lets throw out first degree murder. thats so ridiculous even Sharpton probably wouldn’t have expected her to win that one.
If she didn’t charge at all for anything, then there are riots, people die and for the rest of her career, she’s the chick that started the riots. On top of this, the Department of Injustice has already signaled that they will be going towards federal civil rights charges, and Lord knows they will be happy to throw you under the nearest bus if it makes them look better to their base.
If she charged with manslaughter, thats the worst of all worlds. The Trayvon folks are upset because they didn’t get a murder charge. The GZ supporters were upset he was charged at all. Even if you win, you lose.
But, if she goes with the second degree murder charge, she doesn’t draw the ire of the DOJ, and there are no riots for the time being. She’s a republican incumbent in the next election, so all she’d have to worry about on that front is a primary challenger, which would be long odds. If she wins the case, then she says “obviously I made the right call”. If she loses the case, then she can blame prejudice, remain blameless for the riots which will certainly follow, and maybe set herself up as the next Charlie Crist moderate plus likely get a decent book deal.
Unfortunately, CYA and the path of least resistance seems to have won the day. This day anyway.
Are they going to or was it just a thought?
The War on Neighborhood Watch has begun.
Question: how many of YOU have walked your neighborhood at midnight?
If you live in a “declining” area, it’s a very lonely and thankless feeling. Please be careful how quickly you weigh in on Zimmerman if you have not worked a watch.
Yeah....I kinda got that impression when she called Martin’s parents “sweet”.
Do tell. What section of the Florida Criminal Code is that?
Amen! where are those politicians who represent these poor folks in Tulsa and elsewhere who have been brutally murdered by feral, melanin-rich epidermisites? they’re hiding out in their lily-white skin, afraid to speak up for the majority of victims in B on W crime. when will a politician somewhere stand up for us? we need an organization called WHEN [”we’ve had enough now”] to demonstrate in front of the local media stations where these crimes occur, demanding justice for the melanin-underprivileged folk.
” Yeah....I kinda got that impression when she called Martin’s parents “sweet”.”
That was WAY out of line!!
The “victim” here is ZIMMERMAN!!!! It was driving me NUTS to listen to that skank call Trayvon the victim!
This was EXACTY why the stand your ground law was passed, so it would be clear who the victim was, and so victims wouldn’t be treated as criminals for defending themselves against wanna-be gangsta like Trayvon!
So the answer is to gun down suspicious persons even if they are just walking home from 7-11?
There is much more to this than your oversimplification (and mine) of the events.
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