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Expected Louisiana Win May Be a Hollow Victory for Santorum.
The Hill ^ | March 24, 2012 | Cameron Joseph

Posted on 03/24/2012 10:36:07 PM PDT by true believer forever

Rick Santorum is likely to win Louisiana’s Saturday primary but a victory there won’t help him much, say Republican strategists.

“Winning Louisiana does nothing in the grand scheme of things,” said GOP strategist Tyler Harber. “It won’t give a huge boost of support to Rick Santorum. Winning these contests isn’t as important. It’s now about winning the delegates.”

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: beautycontest; emptyvest; envy; gorick; hollowvictory; la2012; landslide; louisiana; nevergiveup; newtbotsforromney; rinopussies; rinosdejected; rinoslost; santorum; sourgrapes; whenindoubtblamenewt
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Reality check.
1 posted on 03/24/2012 10:36:15 PM PDT by true believer forever
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To: true believer forever

Blow it out your ass...

2 posted on 03/24/2012 10:39:18 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: true believer forever

At some point it may just be that even the Rinos understand that the people in flyover country will not vote for Mittens, and the people on the coasts will tend to vote for Obamalini anyway.

That’s reality.


3 posted on 03/24/2012 10:42:22 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Lazlo in PA

You need to apologize for saying that to me. I posted a news article, which I deemed a reality check, based on facts and information in the article. Nothing more. You need to apologize and start behaving like the perfect christian you believe you and your candidate to be... I’m waiting.


4 posted on 03/24/2012 10:43:26 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: achilles2000

If that’s the case - why the NEED for negative ad$ against Newt? That’s reality.


5 posted on 03/24/2012 10:45:33 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: true believer forever

6 posted on 03/24/2012 10:48:19 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: achilles2000
At some point it may just be that even the Rinos understand that the people in flyover country will not vote for Mittens, and the people on the coasts will tend to vote for Obamalini anyway.

That’s reality.

I wish that were the truth, but it seems the more impotent romney looks, the more they prop him. I think it was Thursday, when Jim deMint, after a meeting with Willard, said he was "excited" at the thought of romney as the nominess. that is a pretty big betrayal in my book, that I would have never expected in a million years.

That's why I have decided the last best hope for everybody but Mitt is to take it to the convention, and shake up their well-laid plans. for principles' sake, if nothing else.

7 posted on 03/24/2012 10:49:10 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: presently no screen name
If that’s the case - why the NEED for negative ad$ against Newt? That’s reality.

And why does the White House respond to Newt's comments as if he were already the nominee. Newt starts talking about energy for a few weeks, and barack shows up at a keystone photo op. Newt starts talking about a brokered or open convention, and soon all the talk is about taking it to the convention.

He is setting the agenda because he is formidable enough to do it, even at 3rd place. His biggest problem is he isn't running for Pope...

8 posted on 03/24/2012 10:53:32 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever
You need to apologize and start behaving like the perfect christian you believe you and your candidate to be... I’m waiting.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.” -Saul Alinsky
9 posted on 03/24/2012 10:56:13 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: true believer forever

Headlines before tonight said if he didn’t win, it’d be over. He wins and it means nothing.

The press should make this clear BEFORE the results come it.


10 posted on 03/24/2012 10:57:01 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: true believer forever

They are listening to him, alright!

The other candidates/the GOP E - don’t have a thought between them - just trash Newt with negative ads or steal his words for their rhetoric.


11 posted on 03/24/2012 10:59:51 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: a fool in paradise
Headlines before tonight said if he didn’t win, it’d be over. He wins and it means nothing.

The press should make this clear BEFORE the results come it.

The article was posted before the election results..

12 posted on 03/24/2012 11:00:19 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever
If you are waiting for the malicious Santorum clique to begin acting like Christians, my only advice is, don't hold your breath.
13 posted on 03/24/2012 11:01:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: true believer forever
I bet The Hill would not have found the victory to be hollow if it were Mitt's.
14 posted on 03/24/2012 11:02:17 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: true believer forever

But the author is biased and part of the establishment. They are all pushing Santorum away, thinking he actually said he prefers Obama to Romney. Santorum would rise to the occasion as our nominee and as our president. Let there please be a chance to stop Romney.


15 posted on 03/24/2012 11:03:28 PM PDT by Yaelle (Santorum 2012 - our sole chance to stop the Rominee)
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To: true believer forever

Great thread!


16 posted on 03/24/2012 11:04:08 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: true believer forever

You sure the comment was directed at you?

Just saying.

FReep with a thick skin. IMO.


17 posted on 03/24/2012 11:06:20 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: true believer forever
That's why I have decided the last best hope for everybody but Mitt is to take it to the convention, and shake up their well-laid plans.

How in the world is that going to happen if people like you keep tearing Santorum down? Santorum is the only in the race left that can win enough delegates to stop Romney and force a brokered convention. Has that sunk into your thick skull yet?

Newt candidacy is becoming an embarrassment. He couldn't even get 20% of the vote to earn delegates tonight. He is at seven percent in Wisconsin. So stop pretending he is viable of go play with your little dog and stop whining about Santorum.

18 posted on 03/24/2012 11:11:47 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: presently no screen name
They are listening to him, alright!

The other candidates/the GOP E - don’t have a thought between them - just trash Newt with negative ads or steal his words for their rhetoric.

It's to the point that most of Santorum's speeches contain more of Newt's thoughts, ideas, plans, visions than those of Santorum's speechwriters. It is really unseemly, santorum, after all, is the good christian candidate. But he never gives newt credits, or says that innocuous thing some candidates say, like I agree with my good friend and colleague, who says.... fill in the blank. He can't even do that.

Newt was his mentor. It is really sad to see, and even sadder how the people who follow him think he is this saint or something. that is the really sad part. He told his followers at a Colorado rally, "God called me to do this" - this kind of religious fervor is a very dangerous thing. Like one freeper said, santorum doesn't seem to understand, when govt opens the door to one religion's beliefs, it also swings the other way, given time. This is a big mess, simply because Santorum has nothing to offer as a candidate other than his behavioral goodness.

19 posted on 03/24/2012 11:11:47 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever
And why does the White House respond to Newt's comments as if he were already the nominee.

For the same reason it responds to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

Encourage him to get a talk show.

20 posted on 03/24/2012 11:13:32 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Kazan

Preventing Romney from winning the first round at the convention, is what’s important.

Don’t be petty please.

Delegates which go to (either) Gingrich or Santorum, are delegates which don’t to to Romney.


21 posted on 03/24/2012 11:16:30 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: true believer forever

The GOP better wise up or the can just by pass the next election. Mitt Romney is not going to be the President no matter how many “delegates” he gets. If the GOP runs another RINO against Obama they are going to get the same results as last time.


22 posted on 03/24/2012 11:17:22 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: true believer forever; Lazlo in PA
You need to apologize for saying that to me.

No he doesn't the in ten is clear.

Newt will not and cannot win, only Romney gains by your constant negativity on Rick Santorum, and you are not alone in doing it.

Repeat after me, Newt will not win! No matter how badly I make Rick Look.

23 posted on 03/24/2012 11:19:39 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: Kazan
Stop being ugly. I posted an article filled mostly with strategies and mathematics and nothing personal. There's no need to get ugly.

That's all for now. I only spend so much of my precious time in discussion with santorum supporters, too stubborn, too sanctimonious, too stupid, too blind. I hope you understand.

24 posted on 03/24/2012 11:20:20 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Right you are.


25 posted on 03/24/2012 11:20:44 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: true believer forever

And, just how do you know God didn’t call him to do this? Hmmm??? Did God tell you otherwise? Inquiring minds want to know.

Newt supporters are as delusional as he is about winning even a brokered convention. His ego is as big as his ideas. Ideas are great, but, implementing them is a different story. He has too many ideas - people just want a few of the things a candidate offers and to hammer those points home. Plus, Newt has also made his share of gaffes. Can we say sitting on the couch with Pelosi? How about his support for over 20 years for cap and trade? Yes, he has some conservative views, but, has just as many liberal ones.

What people seem to want is to watch Newt destroy obama in a debate. He might do that - or the other Newt might show up too. Its a toss up. And, reality check time - Newt is a mature man and I don’t mean this disrespectfully - but, a younger, healthier man usually beats out the older one. Reagan was an exception to this rule.

Rick can do just a good of job as Newt if elected. We must remember the president needs to surround himself with capable, well-informed advisers. I’m afraid that Newt would be like a bull in a china shop - his way or the highway - in other words - not take good advice from others.


26 posted on 03/24/2012 11:21:57 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: true believer forever
Newt was his mentor. It is really sad to see, and even sadder how the people who follow him think he is this saint or something.

How exactly does this help Newt? On the other hand it does help Romney.

27 posted on 03/24/2012 11:23:45 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
If you are waiting for the malicious Santorum clique to begin acting like Christians, my only advice is, don't hold your breath.

thank you, Mr. Hinckley Buzzard, I will certainly follow your advice because you are proven to be wise, and I think you have one of the coolest screen names around.

28 posted on 03/24/2012 11:29:46 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
Great thread!

Just wanted to shake out the doldrums a little. Nothing to be down about, The Plan is taking shape.

29 posted on 03/24/2012 11:31:35 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever
"God called me to do this"

First of all, if you have to say it, it isn't true. God doesn't call anyone who lies about another to gain votes or promoting pro abortion candidate Romney, when there were other pro life candidates. Satan is the master of lies. On the note, have we seen his taxes yet?

Santorum has nothing to offer as a candidate other than his behavioral goodness.

And I haven't seen his behavioral goodness but I've seen his behavior in 'doing it for the team/GOP E' while voting against a conservative. And an underhanded deal with Kennedy so a church could gain property from veterans at way below market value. And his negative ad$ - that lies about Newt - are not goodness.

30 posted on 03/24/2012 11:34:33 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Who do you think it was directed to?

believe me, the guy has said worse than that to me. In the course of a discussion, people often say things they regret, and we need to understand and overlook things in that case. This was right out the gate, and I hadn't said a word to him.

just so you know - you can't be a Newt supporter and have a thin skin on FR. the man has been out of bounds lots of times before with me... this time, he owes me an apology.

31 posted on 03/24/2012 11:35:09 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever

I’ve gone over to the Martin Zimmerman threads. Very entertaining.


32 posted on 03/24/2012 11:36:20 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: true believer forever

It seemed to this poster, the comment was directed at the un-named “Republican strategists” quoted in the article.

Actually.


33 posted on 03/24/2012 11:38:48 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: true believer forever
Great read, true. So many injustices in this primary. The media has beat stories over people's heads who can win/who cannot. I read on Palin’s face book that she was so concerned of how the media has totally made Newt into not being capable of winning, that she made phone calls for Newt in Louisiana to help with the confusion. The voter turnout in itself is a dangerous wake up call. They can gloat but it was such a low voter interest vote. He got the church vote and the I can't stand Romney vote because people are buying into the Newt cannot win lie. Newt said yesterday whatever happens, he is not getting out so he can protest at convention. He cannot get out-Rick will not win women voters-Romney will not win conservative voters-it is a blessing that Newt is the one who is giving a chance for a person to be considered.
34 posted on 03/24/2012 11:40:14 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Why do they allow you to get away with this.

Mods, this is one nasty person.


35 posted on 03/24/2012 11:43:10 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Catsrus
Rick can do just a good of job as Newt if elected

Now that's just TOO funny! No more needs to be said!

I’m afraid that Newt would be like a bull in a china shop - his way or the highway - in other words - not take good advice from others.

Well, with your first statement above, I'd say how you think, you need to surround yourself, also, with someone who can.

36 posted on 03/24/2012 11:44:20 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: SECURE AMERICA
The GOP better wise up or the can just by pass the next election. Mitt Romney is not going to be the President no matter how many “delegates” he gets. If the GOP runs another RINO against Obama they are going to get the same results as last time.

It really is that simple, isn't it? Hey, GOP, you did A last time and B happened. This time, you are planning to do A again, and B will happen again. Count on it.

And maybe it is like rush says, they are really pretty content not having the white house, they want the committeeships, the perks, the leadership positions, the meet the press appearances... so maybe what we think is a disaster is really what they prefer. Now that is truly screwed up.

37 posted on 03/24/2012 11:44:41 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever

I believe that is exactly the problem.

The GOP-e doesn’t care if we win.

They just care that it’s them, particularly, who are in charge of the party.

They’re control freaks.


38 posted on 03/24/2012 11:51:51 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Catsrus
And, just how do you know God didn’t call him to do this? Hmmm??? Did God tell you otherwise?

Umm, it's pretty obvious you are not up to cutting the mustard around here. I suggest you bow out and maybe get your caseworker to enroll you in a sheltered workshop somewhere. Oh, and don't forget to take your meds again.

39 posted on 03/24/2012 11:52:17 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Christie at the beach
Great read, true. So many injustices in this primary. The media has beat stories over people's heads who can win/who cannot. I read on Palin’s face book that she was so concerned of how the media has totally made Newt into not being capable of winning, that she made phone calls for Newt in Louisiana to help with the confusion.

The voter turnout in itself is a dangerous wake up call. They can gloat but it was such a low voter interest vote. He got the church vote and the I can't stand Romney vote because people are buying into the Newt cannot win lie.

Newt said yesterday whatever happens, he is not getting out so he can protest at convention. He cannot get out-Rick will not win women voters-Romney will not win conservative voters-it is a blessing that Newt is the one who is giving a chance for a person to be considered.

It is really that simple, isn't it? But santorum supporters can't see that. Even people, pundits who support santorum, say Newt is doing him a favor. why they can't see that, I don't know.

what went on in La, it was a camp meeting, not a primary. some of his appearances were so over the top with religious jargon and telling his followers, God is on our side, the usual fare... Newt can't compete with that, he wouldn't want to... they want the man who's been married once, they love bella, they love his family, I mean, there is nothing rational in their support of him in terms of policy or experience or what America needs to save it from the brink... and it isn't a preacher in the oval office. you can see just from FR, those people are very hard to break through to..

40 posted on 03/24/2012 11:55:15 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever
Thanks. We had Buzzard Sunday last week, so all us buzzards are feeling fat and ...well...ugly, but that's life when you eat roadkill for a living.
41 posted on 03/24/2012 11:55:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: true believer forever
Tyler Harbor can blow it out his as*, then.

It was a Santorum LANDSLIDE in Louisiana, no two ways around it.

What would be the spin if this were reversed and it was Mitt Romney seizing 50% of the vote there in a four way race?

Reality check is that RINOs can be expected to say exactly what RINOs will say, furthering the Establishment "inevitable" narrative, to which The Base and, and stil says: "NO! HOGWASH!".

They got it handed to them tonight, no other way around it. Now on to the next states and rallying the economic/social conservative Base to turn out there, too. The GOP primary voter turnout is so low here and there nowadays and Bishop Romney engenders so many doubts in peoples' minds still, I do believe the Santorum and the Conservatives can win the next few states coming up or do well in them, and make life miserable for Obama Light and the RINOs.

42 posted on 03/25/2012 12:09:31 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Fraud: Feign support on FR for weeks FOR Newt--against RICK--then slowly "come out" for ROMNEY!)
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To: presently no screen name; Catsrus
"God called me to do this"

First of all, if you have to say it, it isn't true. God doesn't call anyone who lies about another to gain votes or promoting pro abortion candidate Romney, when there were other pro life candidates. Satan is the master of lies. On the note, have we seen his taxes yet?

Santorum has nothing to offer as a candidate other than his behavioral goodness.

And I haven't seen his behavioral goodness but I've seen his behavior in 'doing it for the team/GOP E' while voting against a conservative. And an underhanded deal with Kennedy so a church could gain property from veterans at way below market value. And his negative ad$ - that lies about Newt - are not goodness.

RE: First of all, if you have to say it, it isn't true.

Exactly, that determination is usually made in the hearts and minds and spirits of the people who observe or interact with you - they sense in their spirit they are in the presence of one sent by God. Like in the bible, God clothed Gideon with His spirit - the only people who were aware of that were those with spiritual eyes...

I would say God does call sinners, and uses the repentant reprobates and worse. But I don't believe He can use the proud or the pharisee, and there are ample examples of that. And if Rick is anything, he is a champion pharisee.

It is primary election season, we should not even have to be talking about issues like this - but we are because Rick has made them front and center in his campaign in an effort to capture the gullible...

43 posted on 03/25/2012 12:13:24 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Preventing Romney from winning the first round at the convention, is what’s important.

Don’t be petty please.

Delegates which go to (either) Gingrich or Santorum, are delegates which don’t to to Romney.

Exactly. Santorum can't stave off Romney by himself. If newt gets out, half of his voters go to mitt, another portion to santorum, and some portion to ron paul. which helps romney a great deal, and still leaves santorum out in the cold...

44 posted on 03/25/2012 12:15:34 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever

Quoted at beginning of article: Beltway D.C. sycophantic Establish Republican RINO insider consultant in the tank for Ronney. Does not surprise me these toadies come out of the woodwork to contribute to the Willard Inevitability Narrative (WIN) being foisted on the Base--on a night the media said incessantly "Santorum had to win". He does, so they devalue it. But them slick D.C. boys got another think comin! We could run Sun-Tzu circles around this dude and be home for supper time.

Light weights.

45 posted on 03/25/2012 12:24:51 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Fraud: Feign support on FR for weeks FOR Newt--against RICK--then slowly "come out" for ROMNEY!)
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To: true believer forever

He definitely has some element of the fanatics and extremes believing that he is the One who can do all these things on social issues and sent by God to do so. I can sense by some of his support here, (their own words), there is some deep anger (tolerance thrown out of the picture) I don’t want to be any part of that. (Not all of the people, by no means). These voters tonight, really have shown that they are not very mature to pick a person with leadership though we know the media has done their role. Santorum is the luckiest little politician if there ever was. We have the worse 2 candidates in the top tier/thanks to the GOP-e giving us Romney as the anointed. If one thing, I hope they learn from this huge huge mistake of the Dole-McCain plan (no more of it) They better be getting their butts in gear to understand; we need a new person-if they really wanted change, they would be behind Newt but they are not in that universe. It shows they don’t want the control (it would be too much work for them and of fighting the media) They don’t want to win, I don’t think. The ruling party should be ashamed of putting a man who supports socialized health care and supported gay marriage to represent the republican party. They thought the fear of Obama would give Mitt the edge now. ( Hey, RNC-that’s our problem-tell that to your intellectuals and The Hill and the secret power players)


46 posted on 03/25/2012 12:27:41 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: true believer forever
the only people who were aware of that were those with spiritual eyes...

EXACTLY! We would know if he was called.

I would say God does call sinners,

Yep, we are sinners saved by grace but the 'self righteous' are pharisee - enemies of Jesus as they tried to trip Him up - the 'religious folk'.

47 posted on 03/25/2012 12:29:25 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: hinckley buzzard
Thanks. We had Buzzard Sunday last week, so all us buzzards are feeling fat and ...well...ugly, but that's life when you eat roadkill for a living.

Buzzard Sunday, I see. I assume it's all tartar... or do you sometimes have Buzzard Barbecue Sunday...

48 posted on 03/25/2012 12:29:57 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: itsahoot
How exactly does this help Newt? On the other hand it does help Romney.

It helps Newt because even in LA, with today's saturday's loss, newt won a major statewide tea party straw poll, almost the same as the primary results... newt 50-something, then romney, then santorum...

And some fields in the campaign have decided the socons are not going to be moved from santorum no matter what... their electoral choices derive from he's only been married once and he's a good family man.

But there is starting to be an appeal made to fiscal conservatives in the tea party re rick's dubious fiscal conservatism... and it is doing pretty well, and was reflected in that tparty straw poll today...

I've already seen two youtube vids of santorum supporters switching to Newt... I don't know if they are authentic, but this is where the case for Newt is being made... and maybe towards some thoughtful Christians, who can look at Newt's body of work, and see how much true effort and thought he has put into the subject of religious liberty in America, they are not just talking points to him.

49 posted on 03/25/2012 12:37:29 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Quoted at beginning of article: Beltway D.C. sycophantic Establish Republican RINO insider consultant in the tank for Ronney. Does not surprise me these toadies come out of the woodwork to contribute to the Willard Inevitability Narrative (WIN) being foisted on the Base--on a night the media said incessantly "Santorum had to win". He does, so they devalue it. But them slick D.C. boys got another think comin! We could run Sun-Tzu circles around this dude and be home for supper time.

That article happened to be the most recent, but there have been several articles by conservatives saying the same thing I believe, that it is better for Rick if Newt stays in.. and just as many saying the opposite.

That is what I was focusing on -- the fact that it's a delegate hunt now... I never though that if Romney had a major blowout in LA that it would up his inevitability. Nor did I feel a santorum win upped his, and that is why I posted the article. Lots of conservatives feel the same way, not just RINOs, is what I am trying to say.

50 posted on 03/25/2012 12:43:56 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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