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GOP rule could sink Gingrich, Paul at contested convention [Reince Preibus notes its importance]
CBS News ^ | March 21, 2012 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 03/21/2012 12:18:31 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul's slim hopes of winning the Republican presidential nomination depend primarily on their ability to triumph at a contested convention in August. The idea is that if front-runner Mitt Romney falls short of the 1,144 delegates he needs to secure the nomination outright before the convention, his rivals will seize the opportunity to win over the Republican faithful during the convention process.

That long-shot strategy depends on Gingrich and Paul actually getting on the convention ballot. And it now appears that may be a problem. The Atlanta-Journal Constitution has noticed a little-known rule - No. 40(b), to be exact - that would seem to keep the two candidates from being able to participate in a floor fight.

The rule was adopted in 2008, and here's what it says: "Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a plurality of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination."

[SNIP]

It's possible that even if Gingrich or Paul's delegates can't vote for their candidate on the first ballot, they could do so on subsequent ballots if Gingrich and/or Paul garners the support of a plurality of delegates from at least five states during the fight on the convention floor. Under Republican National Committee rules, Gingrich or Paul would need to be formally nominated after the first ballot for this to happen, and demonstrate their support in five states when this happens. It's an extremely unlikely scenario, though technically possible......

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: brokeredconvention; convention; gope; gopprimary; newt2012
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I read yesterday that after the 1st vote, it's expected that state delegates will fall in line and vote for their state GOP leadership's nominee choice.
1 posted on 03/21/2012 12:18:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The fix is in, and has been since 2008.


2 posted on 03/21/2012 12:24:23 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
The fix is in, and has been since 2008

You've got that exactly right. This whole ridiculous process is just a goon show for the rubes.

3 posted on 03/21/2012 12:28:07 PM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Timber Rattler

What’s been “vetted” this primary, is that the GOP Establishment has manipulated the process so much so, that the base is not given a voice in the selection of their nominee.

It is disgusting.


4 posted on 03/21/2012 12:30:52 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yes, this is true. And provides all the more reason why we must solidy secure the anti-Romney vote in the remaining states. It is now confirmed by PPP and other exit polling data that between 48%-57% of the Gingrich vote would go to Santorum. Gingrich’s campaign is in the red, he’s registering record (60%) negatives among women according to a new ABC-Washington Post poll, and his support even among men is declining, his southern strategy has been reduced to ashes, he was seen strolling in zoos and parks during key primary contests, so he really has no legitimate purpose to continue in this race. Even ostriches with their heads buried in the sand occasinally raise their eyes to the sky to get a glimpse of reality. That time has come although it may be a bit too late in the game. Romney triumphed decisively in IL winning major demographics and for all intents and the purpose the Fat Lady now sings. We cannot act like inmates in a mental ward and continue to be in perpetual denial.


5 posted on 03/21/2012 12:31:16 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Jim Noble

Hah! The TV and other media are laughing all the way to the bank. Nothing but a money stream for media with ads.


6 posted on 03/21/2012 12:32:24 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Steelfish

Congrats on most moronic post of the decade!


7 posted on 03/21/2012 12:34:28 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork)
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To: Steelfish

I will continue to support Gingrich.

Since my vote is mine, I choose to give it to the person who has earned it.


8 posted on 03/21/2012 12:36:14 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What was the rule before 2008?? Anyone remember??


9 posted on 03/21/2012 12:37:18 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Steelfish
Yes, this is true. And provides all the more reason why we must solidy secure the anti-Romney vote in the remaining states. It is now confirmed by PPP and other exit polling data that between 48%-57% of the Gingrich vote would go to Santorum. Gingrich’s campaign is in the red, he’s registering record (60%) negatives among women according to a new ABC-Washington Post poll, and his support even among men is declining, his southern strategy has been reduced to ashes, he was seen strolling in zoos and parks during key primary contests, so he really has no legitimate purpose to continue in this race. Even ostriches with their heads buried in the sand occasinally raise their eyes to the sky to get a glimpse of reality. That time has come although it may be a bit too late in the game. Romney triumphed decisively in IL winning major demographics and for all intents and the purpose the Fat Lady now sings. We cannot act like inmates in a mental ward and continue to be in perpetual denial.

Your post has one major flaw.

He is already getting pressure from the GOP-E, Beck, and others to drop out now

Newt needs to stay in the race until the end to keep Santorum honest. There is no garauntee that Santorum will stay in the race to the end.
10 posted on 03/21/2012 12:38:41 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Rome2000

Coming from the brain dead that’s quite a compliment.


11 posted on 03/21/2012 12:40:15 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

I heard Rove last night saying Gingrich has no business strolling through zoos during the campaigns. Wow! I guess you heard it too!


12 posted on 03/21/2012 12:42:07 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather ("We Need To Teach The Establishment a Lesson" - Newt Gingrich)
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To: Steelfish
One more thing you pompous popsicle, Fox News Exit polls last night had Newt Gingich on top of the poll, in answer to the question, "Putting aside who you're voting for, choose (one) the candidate you believe has the best policies?"
13 posted on 03/21/2012 12:42:17 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Wow. These little critters seem to have been hard at this for some time. I never remember it being some so difficult to get on ballots before either. That Virginia thing. Why don’t the Bushes just email us with the nomination next time and save us the drama of pretending like we’re involved in this thing. Thanks Rinse and Repeat.


14 posted on 03/21/2012 12:42:51 PM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I thought the rule was 2, not 5.

In any case, Ron Paul thought he had a chance in the caucus states, such as Maine.

And, Newt thought he had a chance with a Southern strategy, but Mitt kicked his butt in Florida, and then Rick kicked his butt first in Oklahoma and Tennessee, and then in Alabama and Mississippi. Rick looks like he will win in Louisiana this weekend. Where does this leave Newt?

If these fellows Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich cannot be nominated, I think it’s logical to presume their delegates will tend to gravitate, Paul’s to Romney and Gingrich’s to Santorum, although who really knows.

Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich are probably thinking , right now, about using their delegates to be the person who puts Mitt Romney over the top. To be the kingmaker, as it were.

I don’t think Newt would be a bad choice for Vice President. It would actually help, I think, for the media to jump all over Newt, they way they jumped all over Sarah Palin. Newt can handle it, just as Sarah did. But, if Newt waits until June 5, it’s possible Mitt will be the presumptive nominee and ticket to ride will expire.

Ron Paul is thinking, if he’s thinking, of the Constitution. Could Mitt agree to end the Fed, meaning, to support the idea, since Congress would have to pass the bill? Is there anything else on which a deal might be made with him?

If the number were still 2, Newt would already qualify, and Ron Paul might, depending on the actual outcome of the delegate selection process in Maine, Missouri and maybe a couple other states. But, 5, I don’t think either of them has a chance at 5.


15 posted on 03/21/2012 12:43:53 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
you pompous popsicle

apt and humorous. :)

Newt was at 20% in the national PPP poll today. He is making ground, but I think we need to find ways to take him to the people outside the GOP, too many are hoodwinked already or blind and will not see...

"Best policies" has to be able to be translated into votes and support...

16 posted on 03/21/2012 12:47:39 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: elpadre
I guess there wasn't a rule so they put it in to avoid any problems with candidates racking up delegates (and challenging THEIR selection) in this proportional system they'd devised.

PDF of 2008 RULES Adopted Sept 1, 2008 at the Republican National Convention [49 pages]

17 posted on 03/21/2012 12:48:09 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Redmen4ever
In any case, Ron Paul thought he had a chance in the caucus states, such as Maine......

The article gives more detail on Paul (I had to edit for length).

Per Jesse Benton (Paul's campaign chairman): "we are well positioned to carry WA, MN, AK, ND and ME among several others."

18 posted on 03/21/2012 12:51:26 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SoConPubbie; Steelfish

I don’t understand why people are still pushing for Newt to drop out. That is the surest way Romney gets to 1144. If Newt were to drop out about half his support goes to Rick and half to Romney. A draw.


19 posted on 03/21/2012 12:52:11 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: SoConPubbie; Steelfish

I don’t understand why people are still pushing for Newt to drop out. That is the surest way Romney gets to 1144. If Newt were to drop out about half his support goes to Rick and half to Romney. A draw.


20 posted on 03/21/2012 12:52:52 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: SoConPubbie; Steelfish

I don’t understand why people are still pushing for Newt to drop out. That is the surest way Romney gets to 1144. If Newt were to drop out about half his support goes to Rick and half to Romney. A draw.


21 posted on 03/21/2012 12:53:17 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What’s been “vetted” this primary, is that the GOP Establishment has manipulated the process so much so, that the base is not given a voice in the selection of their nominee.

And people would get mad if someone said there was no difference between the Pubs and the Dems.

22 posted on 03/21/2012 12:53:22 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Brass, copper, lead. The new precious metals.)
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To: Steelfish

I think you’re wrong. If the idea is somehow to stop Romney, Santorum’s people have to support Newt in Louisiana, to get him to 3 states, and then support him in two other places, maybe North Carolina and Arkansas, to get him to 5. This way, Newt’s current delegates aren’t washed down the drain since the guy cannot be nominated.

As for getting Ron Paul to 5, first, I don’t think it can be done. They may be lost, right now, to Romney, and they be no way of stopping Romney. But, maybe Santurom’s people can work with Paul’s people in five of the caucus states to give Paul the plurality. If we can get Paul to 5, then they’ll have to vote for Paul on the first ballot, and this too will help prevent Romney from locking up the nomination.


23 posted on 03/21/2012 12:56:27 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: true believer forever

Correct. There is no reason for Newt to withdraw.

He can continue giving sound policy speeches (collecting delegates) and be the VISIBLE symbol that the GOP-e has screwed the conservative base (60% of the Party).

BLOCK Romney from his 1144 and make the Party Elite carry Mitt to the nomination on their shoulders at the convention for all the base to watch.


24 posted on 03/21/2012 12:58:13 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
make the Party Elite carry Mitt to the nomination on their shoulders at the convention for all the base to watch.

Maybe that is what it will take for the conservatives in the party to see them for who they really are... it may even be too late for that - as 47% of the Tea Party voted for Mitt in IL.

As far as Tampa, I believe the bigger the mess, the more hope there will be for a conservative revival, a real one...

25 posted on 03/21/2012 1:02:50 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
"I heard Rove last night saying Gingrich has no business strolling through zoos during the campaigns. Wow! I guess you heard it too!"

LOL

26 posted on 03/21/2012 1:07:32 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Redmen4ever

A very interesting idea!


27 posted on 03/21/2012 1:10:12 PM PDT by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sad, isn’t it, that the guy people say has the best policies is not the guy they are willing to vote for.

The question is, how can we force all these people to vote for the guy you know is the best candidate, when they keep voting for the other candidates instead?

There has to be some way you can make the people of Illinois not vote for Romney, Santorum, or Paul more than Gingrich. But how?

Seriously, I’ve always said (and you might remember me saying this when you were a Perry supporter), that in the end, a candidate is responsible for attacting actual voters to vote for him. Gingrich has largely failed to do that. Makes no difference WHY — you might have fun arguing why a team doesn’t win a game, but excuses don’t change the final score.

We don’t put the person with the best ideas into office, we put the person with the most votes. Figure out how to get Gingrich the most votes, and maybe he’ll turn this around.

If the last 3 weeks here at FR are any indication, it is clear that attacking Santorum isn’t going to achieve the desired result.


28 posted on 03/21/2012 1:11:37 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Drill Thrawl

This primary has shown that the candidate with the money can bury his competition in negative ads and then waltz his way to the convention.

ALL the conventional wisdom was warning everyone BUT MITT, not to go negative. Can’t have that! Oh no! But those same pundits and talking heads NEVER, ever criticized Romney for his dirty hands.


29 posted on 03/21/2012 1:13:58 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: deport
The Rule being discussed

The Rules of the Republican Party

As Adopted by the 2008 Republican
National Convention September 1, 2008

*Amended by the Republican National Committee
on August 6, 2010

RULE NO. 40

Nominations

(a) In making the nominations for President
of the United States and Vice President of the United
States and voting thereon, the roll of the states shall be
called separately in each case; provided, however, that
if there is only one candidate for nomination for Vice
President of the United States who has demonstrated
the support required by paragraph (b) of this rule, a
motion to nominate for such office by acclamation shall
be in order and no calling of the roll with respect to
such office shall be required.

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the 
United States and Vice President of the United States 
shall demonstrate the support of a plurality of the 
delegates from each of five (5) or more states, 
severally, prior to the presentation of the name of
that candidate for nomination.

(c) The total time of the nominating speech
and seconding speeches for any candidate for
nomination for President of the United States or Vice
President of the United States shall not exceed fifteen
(15) minutes.

(d) When at the close of a roll call any
candidate for nomination for President of the United
States or Vice President of the United States has
received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the
convention, the chairman of the convention shall
declare that the candidate has been nominated.

(e) If no candidate shall have received such
majority, the chairman of the convention shall direct the
roll of the states be called again and shall repeat the
calling of the roll until a candidate shall have received a
majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the
convention.

30 posted on 03/21/2012 1:15:27 PM PDT by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
this was the BEST post yesterday on a thread, about how we got here by TitansAFC. don't know if you say it or not, but it really made things much clearer in my mind...

It’s Huckabee bullheadedly plowing ahead of Thompson by sheer belief in his own holiness all over again. The story always starts out the same: Conservatives get a credible alternative to the Establishment front-runner, and he starts getting attacked.

Then the SoCon who stayed under the radar (Huckabee then, Santorum now) becomes everyone’s plan B, because the guy who could have won (Thompson, Gingrich) was unloaded upon by the GOP-E money machine. Then the smug supporters of the upstart underdog all thump their chest and say “NO.....YOUR GUY SHOULD DROP OUT!!”

Then the vote is already split, the credible candidate becomes non-credible because of vote-splitting, and the upstart winds-up in second place because folks trying to beat the Establishment liberal switch to plan B because the smug voters of the only holy candidate make it loudly clear that they’re going to support the holy upstart candidate even if it means the Liberals win.

It JUST KEEPS HAPPENING.

In reality, what needed to happen was for Santorum to drop out early, when it became apparent that there was someone who could lead Romney in the polls for a long time, and when it was clear he had a friggin’ LITANY of ballot and delegate issues. Even if it was not Newt at the time (heck, replace Newt with Perry), Conservatives should have united around a single candidate with a full organization and little to no ballot and delegate issues, and there SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A PLAN B. Conservative should have been forced to STAY united, learn to DEFEND their candidate rather than defect because the rich, Establishment Liberal was able to smear the credible Conservative with overwhelming cash.

If there had been no Santorum, Newt would be leading right now. He would be leading because we would have been united against Romney from day one, and there would have been no defections based on the fact that - by simply running under the radar - someone else rises because they haven’t been unloaded on.

We CANNOT keep doing this. We CANNOT keep Santoruming and Huckabeeing ourselves based on some sick notion of the holiness of a politician. We cannot keep some broke one-percenter in the race because they were able to show well in Iowa after living there for two years and facing almost no attacks because of their low polling. We cannot keep rewarding these guys for throwing Hail Mary passes when we have a chance to defeat the Liberals. No more “shoestring” campaigns, no more one-percenters who surge in time to do well in Iowa, no more long-shot dreams based on the notion that some candidate is the mostest Christianest candidate of them all.

No more Huckabees, no more Santorums. No more long-shots who surge in Iowa. Rule them out before they ruin another Primary season. Santorum was never going to get 1144 delegates - it was NEVER going to happen. The fact that people bull-headedly refused to waver from him KILLED us - and then they turned around and taunted Newt and Perry voters for voting for Santorum in desperation, citing the vote count as if nobody knows what was actually happening.

No more Santorums, no more Huckabees. No more long shots, period.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2861639/posts?page=96#96

31 posted on 03/21/2012 1:15:46 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A riot is an ugly thing,

and it's about time we had one!

32 posted on 03/21/2012 1:19:04 PM PDT by McGruff (Newt Gingrich, the closest thing we've got to Sarah Palin.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They pulled this rule out of where exactly?


33 posted on 03/21/2012 1:19:46 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: Steelfish

>> he really has no legitimate purpose to continue in this race <<

Dunno about that. Maybe it’s completely legit to keep one’s face and voice before the public, whether to sell one’s books, increase one’s speaking fees, or whatever. And as Hume pointed out last nite on FNC, those who have dropped out no longer have the huge amount of public attention that Newt still commands.


34 posted on 03/21/2012 1:21:12 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: true believer forever; TitansAFC
....We CANNOT keep doing this. ...

THANK YOU for bringing that post to this thread.

B-U-M-P!

35 posted on 03/21/2012 1:25:39 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m not so sure. Remember that all that needs to happen for a contested convention is to deny a first ballot victory to anyone. This releases up *all* the delegates.

From there, it turns into a free for all, with the five state rule just preventing the convention from turning into a favorite son slug fest. This means that any and all candidates will have to make “backroom” deals to make the five state minimum, to show that they have a functioning bloc big enough to matter.

Then anyone and everyone who can muster five states, a theoretical 10 candidates, but practically only two or three, will go up for the second ballot. And this is when it gets interesting.

That is, the second ballot will still likely be just Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich. But that will just confirm the stalemate, so new candidates will have to come forth.


36 posted on 03/21/2012 1:28:24 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Queen Elizabeth has 10 times the lifespan of workers and lays up to 2,000 eggs a day...")
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To: Theoria
The TV and other media are laughing all the way to the bank. Nothing but a money stream for media with ads.

That's what I've been saying here for the last 10 years about repealing the 17th amendment.

The media cash in every 4 years, but the mid-terms are also crazy now. Eliminate 33 Senate elections every 2 years, and you take a LOT of money away from the media.

-PJ

37 posted on 03/21/2012 1:29:01 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

One more reason to expect that this is the last national election for Republicans. It is high time Conservatives stop hoping for them to change things in any meaningful way.

Boehner is a crybaby, McConnell is a whiner; heck, even Ryan’s hated budget would run trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. The Tea Party candidates we fought to elect have been mostly ineffective, if not openly hostile to those that got them elected in the first place.

The GOP is nothing but another wing of the BOHICA Party that makes deals that are meant to put on a show, much like wrestling. And the outcome is just as preordained.


38 posted on 03/21/2012 1:30:17 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I like your thinking but with so many delegates “unpledged” and with those others once “released” after the 1st ballot (some have other rules) vulnerable to their state’s “extra” delegates’ influence, it will take some kind of “revolution” (delegate backbone) in thinking for a groundswell against the Establishment (now that they have control of the process and from what I’m finding the delegates).

It’s time for someone like Sara Palin to ignite a base rumble.


39 posted on 03/21/2012 1:35:10 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Fragmentation, Divide and Conquer; It worked so well in 2008, it had to be used again this time around.

And the fools threw themselves around Santuckabee in a 24 hour period because Romney launched a campaign of lies against Newt that he did not have the money to fight.

The damage has been done and we are now forced to live with the outcome. But we can figure this out, and will not stop fighting until we get this right. The biggest problem is, we are still stuck with this new form of fickle conservatives, who have proven to be seriously unloyal as well as unpredictable. It's very hard to plan a party effort around that.

40 posted on 03/21/2012 1:44:04 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"We don’t put the person with the best ideas into office, we put the person with the most votes. Figure out how to get Gingrich the most votes, and maybe he’ll turn this around."

------and the person with the most money to buy negative ads in this year's GOP election.

41 posted on 03/21/2012 1:47:10 PM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"I read yesterday that after the 1st vote, it's expected that state delegates will fall in line and vote for their state GOP leadership's nominee choice. "

A lot of states have the rule that on the second ballot of the National Convention, the State Chairman gets to cast the votes as he thinks best.

And some of those states say that on the THIRD ballot, the individual delegates can vote for a ham sandwich, if that's what they think is best.

42 posted on 03/21/2012 1:49:23 PM PDT by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: true believer forever; TitansAFC

Didn’t see that yesterday, so I’ll just talk about it here.

Thompson did not rise to the top and then get torn down.

If there is a comparison in 2012 to Thompson, it isn’t Gingrich, it’s Perry. Both Thompson and Perry entered the contest late as shining knights to rescue the conservatives. Both entered the contest with great media coverage, and both started with high poll numbers. For a while, both were leading in national polls, and were showing strength in multiple states. They both had a good deal of money, and received good endorsements.

Then both of them turned out to be bad campaigners. They couldn’t generate excitement, sparks, or a sense of excitement. Each of course had their negatives, Thompson was the catalyst for Campaign Finance Reform, and was weak on illegals; Perry had the in-state tuition issue, the border fence being demagauged by his detractors, and other similarly minor but pesky problems.

But what blew them both up was the inability to keep people’s interest. So by the time votes actually started, neither could win a contest. Both worked very hard at Iowa, and both failed miserably at it, (losing in both cases to the SoCon candidate, as TitanAFC does point out).

Both soldiered on, vowing to win South Carolina. Both failed at that, and the only difference is that Thompson waited until that contest was over to drop out, while Perry was quicker to the punch, dropping out ahead of time and throwing his support to Gingrich, which may have helped Newt win a couple of delegates.

Newt Gingrich was actually following the McCain pattern, not to make a philosophical comparison though. He entered the race early, but never caught hold, faltered, ran out of money, and at one point was imploding so badly that his campaign staff went to another candidate — Thompson in 2008 for McCain, Perry in 2012 for Gingrich.

Then, as Iowa rolled around, he got some traction, started coming up in the polls while others failed. He did respectably in Iowa, like Gingrich did. Then McCain won New Hampshire which gave him instant credibility — while Gingrich, being a southern conservative, had to wait for his big win until South Carolina. But if you look at their poll numbers, they track relatively well through that point.

Not only that, but note that Perry and Gingrich were good friends, and Thompson and McCain were good friends. At the end, people said Thompson was just placeholding until McCain could come back. With Perry, he endorsed Gingrich and gave him his organization back.

And in 2008, McCain and Huckabee teamed up to stop Romney. In 2012, Gingrich and Santorum have teamed up to stop Romney.

The only difference between 2008 and 2012? It worked in 2008. It isn’t working in 2012. Probably because McCain was actually an acceptable GOP establishment candidate, while Gingrich was on the outs with that group; meanwhile, in 2008 Romney wasn’t in with the GOP, but he spent 4 years fixing that.

Gingrich wasn’t the conservative frontrunner who got crushed. He was the 2nd-to-last man standing, after every other (and possibly better) candidates failed.

If Gingrich was the true conservative darling, he would have caught fire back in March of 2011. If he had, his debate skills would have been seen as golden for front-runner status, ROmney would have been stopped in his tracks, and we’d have spent months deciding if any of the other conservatives might be a better pick than the “maverick” Gingrich with his Pelosi and other occasional missteps.

But Gingrich was no conservative darling. He was dismissed as a failed, flawed candidate. Even when he did well in debates, conservatives just expressed pleasure that someone was able to make our points, even if he couldn’t be the nominee.

Now, I know some people here supported Gingrich from the beginning. But if everybody had, Perry never would have entered the race, nobody would have been pining all summer for Palin, and the world would look a lot different now.

It turns out that November was way too late to decide to start supporting Gingrich. Too late for him to put a team together. Too late for him to get organized, to get a clear message, to get registered in all the states, to unite the conservatives.

But don’t blame Santorum. Santorum got screwed by a process that failed to recognize his win in Iowa until after he was blown away in New Hampshire. But he wasn’t rabidly attacking Gingrich. In fact, Conservatives were rallying around Gingrich before, during, and after South Carolina. He was riding high in the polls, pulled off a great win in South Carolina, and Santorum had given up on Florida.

What happened to Gingrich in Florida wasn’t Santorum’s fault.


43 posted on 03/21/2012 1:50:15 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
The damage has been done and we are now forced to live with the outcome.

And the abettors were all those in the media with their "let's keep this thing going" - let's see what they're made of, and that includes Sarah.

rush let something slip a week or so ago, at least it was the first time I ever heard him say it - that his main objective with Operation Chaos was to keep the primary interesting so his listeners would keep tuning in, and then he added, quickly, and of course to enable Hillary's presence to bloody obama.

And I am not so sure this same isn't going on in a lot of circles, including Rush's right now... or has been...

And the poor stupid rubes take it all so seriously, like the fate of a nation hung in balance or something...

44 posted on 03/21/2012 1:55:16 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
"I don’t understand why people are still pushing for Newt to drop out. That is the surest way Romney gets to 1144. If Newt were to drop out about half his support goes to Rick and half to Romney. A draw.

Right, Gingrich staying in hurts Romney more than Santorum. That said, finishing last, behind Ron Paul, is really disappointing.

45 posted on 03/21/2012 2:02:33 PM PDT by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: Steelfish

So how is a delegate bound to Gingrich or Paul supposed to vote on the first ballot if Gingrich/Paul isn’t allowed to be nominated? Can they vote present? Are they automatically unbound at that point and can vote for whoever they want?

Also take note if Gingrich and Santorum’s votes were combined in Illinois, they would have won 18 of the 28 counties that Romney won.


46 posted on 03/21/2012 2:10:42 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Keep in mind Ron Paul’s people are signing up to be delegates for other candidates and plan to throw their support to Ron Paul as soon as they are unbound.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2843327/posts


47 posted on 03/21/2012 2:16:23 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: trappedincanuckistan; SoConPubbie; Steelfish

You don’t understand the winner-take-all delegate allocation rules. Most of the upcoming states either award all the delegates to whoever has the highest votes per district or state, or they deny delegates to other candidates if one candidate gets over 50%. In 18 of the 28 counties in IL, the combined votes from Rick and Newt would have switched Romney from the winner to the loser. And if Rick had Newt’s votes in AL, Romney would have been shut out of a lot of the delegates he got. If Rick announced Newt as his V.P., he’d definitely get more than half of Newt’s voters, and they’d get such a media surge and bump from the announcement, it would be reminiscent of what happened to the McCain ticket after Palin gave her convention speech.


48 posted on 03/21/2012 2:19:30 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: JediJones
Keep in mind Ron Paul’s people are signing up to be delegates for other candidates and plan to throw their support to Ron Paul as soon as they are unbound.

Yes. Another "fly" in the ointment.

49 posted on 03/21/2012 2:20:41 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Redmen4ever
As for getting Ron Paul to 5, first, I don’t think it can be done.

At least that's some good news. If we could kick that radical, hypocritical, profiteering crank out of the Republican party and arrest him for trespassing if he tries to enter the convention then that would be even better.

50 posted on 03/21/2012 2:24:37 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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