Skip to comments.Investigators now in hunt for forger
Posted on 03/02/2012 10:01:11 PM PST by Smokeyblue
Members of the Cold Case Posse in Maricopa County, Ariz., whose report to Sheriff Joe Arpaio yesterday confirmed there is probable cause to believe Barack Obamas much-ballyhooed birth certificate document is a forgery, have begun briefing members of the county law enforcement team who may be involved in hunting for those responsible.
At a news conference yesterday, Arpaio and the chief investigator for the specially appointed Cold Case Posse, Mike Zullo, confirmed that they had found evidence of forgery in the creation of the birth certificate image and fraud in the presentation of that piece of work as a real government document.
They also said they found Obamas Selective Service registration likely forged, and they said it appeared as though officials in Hawaii were covering up information about Obama. They also said it was not outside the realm of possibility that Obama might have been born overseas.
While he said that decision remained in the future, sources told WND today that the Cold Case Posse, a team of volunteers not being paid by taxpayers, were briefing sheriffs office investigators on the status of evidence, so that they might be able to participate in the future as those responsible for the fraud and forgery uncovered already might be pursued.
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At, the very least, our[any] President is required to have on record or submit the actual 'Birth' certificate for verification to our citizens in some form, other than a PDF file.
From Arpaio's full report (Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, pdf, p.2):
"Interestingly, records from the days surrounding Obamas birth, August 1, 1961 to August 7, 1961 are missing. This is the only week in 1961 were these immigration cards cannot be found."
How's that for a coincidence?
There is too much here for even the MSM to ignore. By continuing to, they are revealing their complicity.
The MSM has no choice but to continue in their defense of the Usurper because of that complicity.
How can a posse in Arizona arrest a forger in Illinois?
There is also no record of SAD ever being a patient in either hospital EVER!
Vancouver, BC. That’s why she showed up in WA immediately after the birth.
That’s why it was easy to take him out, other probable motives.
Sorry man, but I need at least SOME evidence before I will believe a conspiracy theory, not just wishful thinking. Nobody has offered a shred of evidence that Harris was connected in any meaningful way to Obama or Brennan. All we know for sure is that he was running a credit card scam, apparently with help from someone in the State department. We already know that Brennan accessed the passport files himself, he didn’t need any help from street criminal Harris to do that.
The only reason to try and conflate the two stories, is to make the superficial appearance that Harris may have been killed because he knew something about the Brennan case. That’s what the Washington Times did. However, since there is no evidence of that, once birthers started repeating that story, they were made to look like fools. In other words, the Washington Times successfully “punked” the birthers, whether it was intentional or unintentional. We shouldn’t be perpetuating our own embarassment now that it is plain to see what happened.
You’ve just trashed that primary source. Now why not educate us about it? Tell us why a Hawaii BC is less reliable than, say, a Washington State BC? (and no need to be respectful in the telling, LOL!)
For one thing they registered foreign born birth’s as Hawaiian. The cover-up in HI has more to dod with systematic immigration/citizenship fraud perpetrated by HI officials.
You’re confusing FR with a court of law.
Exactly. The Harris saga is an example of a lie attaining low earth orbit before the truth can get his pants on.
Accidentally or on purpose, the Washington Times launched the story by abbreviating Harris's misspelled, comical first name, making it look like a military or police title, while also mentioning their earlier story about improper access to the passport records of Hillary Clinton, Obama, and McCain. Thus, they promoted Harris far beyond his station in life, which was that of small-time identity thief.
Harris had been busted by the DC Police after having been found in possession of 21 credit cards not his own and printouts of eight passport applications, four of which had names found among the phony credit cards. Harris told the police he was working with an accomplice employed at State and another with the US Postal Service. He agreed to help roll up the conspiracy. He was rubbed out before that could happen.
“a lie attaining low earth orbit”... I like that, it’s a good description of how fast a story can take hold in the internet age. By the time the first sensible person has heard it and voiced a reasonable objection, it’s already gone global.
If I were in President Obama's place and knew that I had nothing to do with any tampering of my long form birth certificate, I would be the first person to offer to help the Arizona sheriff in any way I could.
But if the President of the United States, Obama, refuses to help and plays hardball, then I can only conclude that President Obama is hiding something.
For instance, the Selective Service application form: Obama's signature looks nothing like his signature today.
So Obama could help the Arizona sheriff by voluntarily coming forward and swearing under oath something like this: "Yes, that is my signature from 1980, although my signature seems to have dramatically changed over the years."
But, again, if the President of the United States plays hardball with the Arizona investigation, then I can only conclude that the President of the United States is indeed hiding something.
The reasoning is that the forgery was presented nationwide, so some Maricopa county citizens were deceived and defrauded by the act, no matter where the forgery occurred.
No, I’m just not confusing FR with some forum where one can post nonsense without expecting to have it smacked down.
Just curious - let’s assume there is a forger - some mid level person with some computer/graphics skills.
Let’s also assume that Arpio’s posse is correct in their assumptions (that the crime of forgery occurred), and the posse is closing in on being able to identify the forger.
Given those assumptions - and the ramifications of exposure of this whole plot, if true.
Then what is the life expectancy of the forger?
What is the best way for this mid-level foot soldier to survive?
My take is that if this is true life expectancy is measured in days, and the only way to survive is to come clean in a very public way, ASAP.
The only alternative is to hope the truth stays hidden.
(Judith L Corely, please pick up the white courtesy phone.)
I think they have to look no further then the Perkins Coie attorney that brought the paper copy back from Hawaii. I think that the first person to chat with is Judith L Corely.
Her contact info is posted on the WH website in the Letter to Hawaii, which is part of the April 27 LFCOLB story.
Good luck Judith...
May we all be Breitbarted.
Nonsense? And you use the handle boogieman?
Yes, nonsense. That is what I call trotting out a long-debunked story that only serves to divert attention from the actual issues concerned. If I see someone post that, and I can correct the misinformation, I will. I expect other FReepers to do me the same favor if I make that error too.
What’s my handle have to do with anything?
True, and this will happen eventually. There is only one thing that is absolutely certain in the Birther Debate. The PDF file that is even now being displayed on the White House website is a fraudulent non-document, because softward cyberspace creations are not tangible instruments.
Easy. The document is being used to establish that Obama is eligible to run for President in Arizona. It is therefore creating victims of every Arizona citizen.
Actually, a cyberspace instrument could be made far more secure than a physical piece of paper with a rubber stamp and a raised seal, not to mention a scan of the same converted to a PDF.
Birth certificate registrars should scan all their documents at high resolution and put them on an HTTPS web server. Then, if someone needs their birth certificate to get a passport or get on a presidential ballot, they could ask the registrar to create a URL to their BC. This they could give to the State department or post on whitehouse.gov. Because of HTTPS, anyone viewing the BC via the URL would be assured the document they are examining on their monitor is really what's on file with the registrar.
HTTPS eliminates the
man in the middle. In this case, the man in the middle is Obama and his minions, who had the opportunity to do who knows what to the document between the time it left Hawaii and the time the WH showed it off to the world.
And there it is. Nowhere is this question ever asked, point-blank, that I've ever seen. It's not been asked in this format of any of the Republican candidates, and it certainly has never been asked directly to "Obama".
Mr. "Obama", are you constitutionally eligible to hold the presidential office you currently enjoy?
I'm thinking it's going to be a long wait before we hear that question asked.
I made a cogent point WITHOUT expousing any theory, stating that the guy was involved in multiple activities so that any assailant would have the cover of the police having to investigate possible MULTIPLE MOTIVES for the murder.
You jump to some self-perceived conclusion about the assertion of my original statement. Get off of your self-righteous “smackdown” horse.
Gotta boogie now...
“I made a cogent point WITHOUT expousing any theory, stating that the guy was involved in multiple activities so that any assailant would have the cover of the police having to investigate possible MULTIPLE MOTIVES for the murder.”
The implication being that the government could have conveniently bumped him off for knowing about the Obama passport stuff, and suspicion would be diverted because of his criminal activities. Sorry man, but you don’t make leading statements in context like that unless you want to make the obvious implication. If you weren’t trying to draw some false connection to the Obama fraud issue, why even bring up this completely unrelated, insignicant criminal getting murdered on a thread about these Obama-related issues?
That’s the same basic tactic that the original Washington Times article used to confuse the Harris case with the Brennan case and start this whole mess. There’s no “plausible deniability” as to why they conflated the two, since there’s no plausible reason to bring the topic up unless you want people to draw the obvious implication, which, of course, many people did.
In terms of the forensic security (as opposed to the physical security) of a document, you could not be more mistaken. In the case of Obama, his documents are held by the federal government, or the government of Hawaii, which are now under the full control of Obama (president) and Abercrombie (governor) and their underlings. The former being the person suspected of document fraud and the later being an admitted long time family friend of Obama and his family, the physical security advantage of digital records would certainly have already been compromised. HTTPS internet security offers no protection from insiders at the location these digital documents are stored.
Since it therefore can only be the forensic security of those documents that we can look to, the question becomes: Which type of document, physical or digital, is most dificult to alter without leaving evidence of alteration?
A physical document - of 3 dimensions, infinite detail and bearing all the properties of the paper, the inks, the glues, and the fingerprints of the devices that manufactured and applied them - can always be made forensically more secure than a digital document - representing a 2 dimensional image defined in finite detail (no mater how high the resolution) by nothing but a series of 0s and 1s.
With enough time and care, any digital image can be altered without leaving any trace of that alteration. Attempts to imbed security data or metadata in some image file formats are subject to the same digital hacking alterations as the image itself.
Given enough resources - the tools (optical magnification, chemical analysis, spectrometer, etc. ) already reliably used for detecting fraud in objects of art, archeology, etc., and the technicians with the required expertise - no alteration of physical document is undetectable.
Insider forgers at the location documents are stored, who would have evaded the "HTTPS security protection," offered by digital document, would not evade the security of forensic detection offered by physical documents.
With records (including birth records), it is the original documents that are meant to be both the backup and authenticator of computer records.
I would be surprised if records like Immigration entry records, whose number far exceed those of once in a lifetime records (birth/death) would have ever been stored in duplicate. I would be even more surprised if the "coincidence" that caused only the 1 week of records around Obama's birth did not cause that same week to disappear for any duplicate records that might have existed.
I never maintained that it did.
The argument the birthers have been advancing is that the White House materially altered the BC released to the public. HTTPS access to high-res scans of what's really on file at the HDoH would resolve that argument nicely. Actually, the argument would never have arisen, because nobody would have bothered to look at the White House copies, the original being only a click away.
In terms of the forensic security (as opposed to the physical security) of a document, you could not be more mistaken. In the case of Obama, his documents are held by the federal government, or the government of Hawaii, which are now under the full control of Obama (president) and Abercrombie (governor) and their underlings.
At the time this controversy started, and until two years into the Regime, Hawaii had a Republican governor. The Regime never had any authority over that government.
However, I'll grant you, no matter who was in charge, it's possible for crooks to have infiltrated the HDoH. In that case, all bets are off. The image(s) served over the HTTPS link would be of a forged document. And the task facing birthers would be to get a judge to order that original to be forensically examined. And, unlike the pixels and layers discussion of the WH digital document, that examination would not be a waste of time.
In any case, serving the BC over an HTTPS link would be a big advance. It would put the immediate focus where it belongs: on the record held by the state. Forensic examination of a traditional certified paper copy is far less probative. Birth certificates are not Federal Reserve notes. They don't have microprinting, holograms, watermarks, and all that stuff. But they also do not really need to, since with a BC, one has recourse to the registrar holding the original.
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