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Mich. voters: Santorum connects better than Romney (It's not just Michigan)
google ^ | 2/20/2012 | KATHY BARKS HOFFMAN, Associated Press

Posted on 02/20/2012 4:35:01 PM PST by tobyhill

Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum promised Monday to revive manufacturing, cut taxes and shrink government, pledges that drew loud applause from conservative Michigan voters who said he was more in line with their values than native son and GOP rival Mitt Romney.

Santorum's growing connection with Michigan conservatives risks embarrassing Romney in his home state. Romney was counting on a strong finish in Michigan's presidential primary on Feb. 28 to carry him into the big, multistate round of voting a week later on Super Tuesday.

But Santorum, fueled by a recent trio of victories and sensing an opportunity to upset or at least bloody Romney with a strong primary finish of his own, is charging hard at a state that he says shares many of the same characteristics as his blue-collar state of Pennsylvania. Santorum pledged Monday that, under his administration of less government and more individual freedom, "manufacturing jobs will come back here to Muskegon."

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1 posted on 02/20/2012 4:35:04 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Pee Wee Herman connects better than Romney. Romney doesn’t connect. Never has...never will.


2 posted on 02/20/2012 4:37:00 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: tobyhill

“Mich. voters: Santorum connects better than Romney (It’s not just Michigan)”

Perhaps because voters believe that Rick might actually believe what he says, something that’s been proven highly unreliable with Slick Mitt.


3 posted on 02/20/2012 4:38:24 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: tobyhill

Santorum isn’t giving bizarre speeches about our perfectly tall Michigan trees and beautiful greenish brown grass. LOL

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2848349/posts


4 posted on 02/20/2012 4:39:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...
MICHIGAN PING LIST

Please freepmail me if you wish to be added or dropped from the mitten ping.

5 posted on 02/20/2012 4:40:56 PM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: ReformationFan
Romney proves his connection to Michigan by sounding like he's never been here before.
6 posted on 02/20/2012 4:44:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 21twelve; Absolutely Nobama; AFPhys; afraidfortherepublic; AmericanInTokyo; ...
Santorum for President Ping List.

FReepmail “Antoninus” to be added or removed.

7 posted on 02/20/2012 4:56:57 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: tobyhill
"Santorum's growing connection with Michigan conservatives risks embarrassing Romney in his home state."

Go CONSERVATIVES!!!


8 posted on 02/20/2012 4:57:30 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: tobyhill

I wish Santorum would ditch this “revive manufacturing” nonsense.

It makes him look like he doesn’t understand free markets, free trade, and limited government.


9 posted on 02/20/2012 4:57:41 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: cripplecreek

It sounds like Milt is severely a fan of MI. What a toad.


10 posted on 02/20/2012 4:59:28 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: rogue yam
Santorum pledged Monday that, under his administration of less government and more individual freedom, "manufacturing jobs will come back here to Muskegon."
11 posted on 02/20/2012 5:00:33 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: RoosterRedux
Pee Wee Herman connects better than Romney Mitt. Romney Mitt doesn’t connect. Never has...never will.

I fixed that. George could connect with people. Mitt isn't his father by a long shot.

12 posted on 02/20/2012 5:02:14 PM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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To: tobyhill

I’m looking at a 150’ tall Doug Fir that is obviously too tall!


13 posted on 02/20/2012 5:02:22 PM PST by bray (More Batting Practice for the Bambino)
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To: CainConservative

Santorum’s oft-repeated proposal to tax “manufacturers” at one rate and other businesses at another does not constitute “less government and more individual freedom”.


14 posted on 02/20/2012 5:07:43 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
I wish Santorum would ditch this “revive manufacturing” nonsense.

I disagree. Every election cycle we craft a message that leaves the folks in the rust belt without anything to interest them. It always focuses on nebulous concepts of Free Markets that don't resonate well with this segment. We are basically ceding these voters to the Rats who sell them on Big Gov't hand outs. This Manufacturing message is why he is starting to interest old Reagan Dems and some Union people who care about this. When it boils down to it, he is just lowering the taxes on this sector more than he lowers the rest. Not really a terrible sin. Ideally, I would love to see him zero all taxes on business for a couple years, but this is a good start.

15 posted on 02/20/2012 5:10:38 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: magslinger

VEry interesting! Could you expand on that?


16 posted on 02/20/2012 5:16:44 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: rogue yam

“I wish Santorum would ditch this ‘revive manufacturing’ nonsense.”

I think that’s a key part of Santorum’s electoral appeal. Jefferson wrote of the unique American Agrarian Ideal: “Those who labor in the earth are the chosen people of God... etc”
There could also be an “industrial heart” of America that is a bit withered. I don’t want to get deep into how much economic sense it makes to incentivize manufacturing specifically, other that to say that it probably wouldn’t effect overall economics that much, and that there are natl security reasons for maintaining manufacturing proficiency, but the main thing is that it fits into the election meme that Santorum is on the side of the working man. So this will help your avg Joes, and Joe the Plumbers, rationalize, so to speak, votes for the republican, this time.
So I say all the more power to Santorum on this. And maybe it’s real. Maybe he really could revive manufacturing, and help the working man, and industrial (swing) states.


17 posted on 02/20/2012 5:19:14 PM PST by Hokestuk
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To: Lazlo in PA
Every election cycle we craft a message that leaves the folks in the rust belt without anything to interest them.

John McCain is a perfect example. He came to Michigan and said those jobs are gone and you folks are screwed. Vote for me. LOL

From where I sit, it appears that a lot of FReepers don't recognize what an active political fault zone the midwest has become. The 2010 GOP wave was greater in Michigan than anywhere else in the nation and few seemed to notice. Like it or not, the election will be decided in the midwest.
18 posted on 02/20/2012 5:19:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Bingo, Lazlo!


19 posted on 02/20/2012 5:19:39 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: Hokestuk

Agree.


20 posted on 02/20/2012 5:20:57 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep.

Midwest + South + Texas = Santorum’s the nom and next president (with just four ez mountain states thrown in)


21 posted on 02/20/2012 5:25:56 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Sounds like you understand free markets and limited government as poorly as Santorum does.

The reason our nation is going bankrupt and becoming divided against itself is because too many people are pursuing wealth through rent-seeking rather than through free enterprise.

If we reverse this trend we will reclaim our greatness, if we do not we will collapse.

What you propose is ignorance, cynicism, and corruption.

“Vote for me and I will give you a special benefit not available to others.”

“Vote for me and I’ll tax the other guy instead of you.”

This approach is unworthy of free citizens of a nation under God. That is not conservatism and it just isn’t right.


22 posted on 02/20/2012 5:30:58 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: RoosterRedux

Is it just me or has anyone else observed Romney’s “little bitty steps” in his blue jeans.
Is he wearing a diaper ? Suffering a double hernia ?


23 posted on 02/20/2012 5:31:18 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: Hokestuk

Yes!


24 posted on 02/20/2012 5:35:50 PM PST by marygam ((Hurry November 2012, we might not make it))
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To: Lazlo in PA

Lazlo, yes, Santorum’s “Made in the USA Plan”, combined with his -heritage- (grew up in steel town I think, grandson of coal miner etc), his ability to connect to all sorts of people (as the working man), his support for labor in some cases (huge sin??), -and- his castigation of the “elites” of the O administration, will work together to make Rick shine with many fishtowners. And his position against gay marriage, protection of religion etc, will work into it also. Romney can’t match any of this.
That’s why I really hope, for at least electoral purposes in this case where it is key that we beat O, strict free marketers will give Rick a pass this once. The tax differential is needed to ... differentiate... in favor of manufacturing, so we can more easily present a case to the working man & swing states. You explained it well, Lazlo.


25 posted on 02/20/2012 5:36:04 PM PST by Hokestuk
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To: CainConservative

If you had any brains or integrity you’d change your screen name to CainCommie.

There is no such thing as big-government conservatism.


26 posted on 02/20/2012 5:37:18 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: cripplecreek; CainConservative

Depending on which of my properties I go to work on, I either drive by an empty high rise called Martin Towers, the ex headquarters for Bethlehem Steel or I go by Mack Truck headquarters which was sold to a medical outfit and the giant Bulldog out front shipped down south to their new digs. This area used to be based on manufacturing. Even though these companies are gone, the people who worked there are still around and hearing a plan to revitalize a sector of our economy that matters to them is going to work. Most of these people sound like right wingers until you get into politics and you get all sorts of mumbo jumbo on evil fat cat Repubs. I think if we had a candidate that resonated with these people, we can bring them over to our way of thinking and now would be a great time to do it. Universally, these people hate Obummer and would be easy to flip this cycle much like Reagan did.


27 posted on 02/20/2012 5:37:39 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I don't know why you have pinged me (I hear there are no coincidences in life)...but I have always thought that Romney took tiny little steps...like a momma's boy.

Romney is a very weird man (if he is indeed a MAN).

He is sneaky...but he ain't tough. Tough guys--even short guys like Jimmy Cagney--stride out!

Romney doesn't stride out!

28 posted on 02/20/2012 5:39:25 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
As an aside (as a long time lurker)...I always appreciated your posts that said "if they hate us...why are there here?"

I have been hanging around since Buckhead killed Rather!

29 posted on 02/20/2012 5:43:10 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: Hokestuk

What you post is hand-waving commie bullsnot.

The reason you think subsidies help the working man is because you do not understand economics.

There are numerous Milton Friedman videos on YouTube.

I suggest you watch one or two of them someday and stop arguing for collectivism, comrade.


30 posted on 02/20/2012 5:43:10 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: tobyhill

Americans are finally seeing a candidate that takes social issues seriously. He lives a moral life which is refreshing especially in today’s world. I am so excited that this is happening. Sorry to those FREEPERS who find social issues repulsive and don’t want their love of abortions, gay marriage and putting God back in the classroom. Thankfully you are in the minority.


31 posted on 02/20/2012 5:49:49 PM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: tobyhill
To the Newt Gingrich supporters.

How can you claim that your against a Romney GOP nomination when ? you tear down Rick and Newt's money man Adelson's very purpose to get back in the game and give Newt $ 10 Million to go after Rick, to pull away support, voters, Christians, evangelicals away from Rick and help Mitt Romney in his every own words ?
We thought you were against a Romney GOP nomination ? however ? your words and actions speak louder than anything else.
32 posted on 02/20/2012 5:49:57 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: cripplecreek

What some FReepers don’t recognize is that the problem is cronyism itself, not which party is organizing it. If we have two parties that both promote collectivism and industrial policy then we will continue to go broke whichever one is in charge.

What Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, Jim DeMint and lots and lots of other Americans are coming to realize is that collectivism and the resultant corruption are the problem and free enterprise and limited government is the one and only solution.

Winning cynically will prevent us from governing wisely.


33 posted on 02/20/2012 5:51:27 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: RoosterRedux
Buckhead’s job on Rather was a clean kill. It was like Danny boy had been stopped coming out of a bank basement with the loot.
34 posted on 02/20/2012 5:54:38 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: napscoordinator
Americans are finally seeing a candidate that takes social issues seriously.

Yes but the press is making him out to be Jim Jones.

Here's a question for our unbiased media: Have any of you asked Romney what Mormons believe? Have you asked how those beliefs might affect his decisions in the WH?

I didn't think so.

35 posted on 02/20/2012 5:59:13 PM PST by Kenny (I)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Most of these people sound like right wingers until you get into politics and you get all sorts of mumbo jumbo on evil fat cat Repubs. I think if we had a candidate that resonated with these people, we can bring them over to our way of thinking and now would be a great time to do it.

You just described yourself. If by "our way of thinking" you mean government picking winners and losers then you have failed to distinguish yourself from Obama.

The quickest, most certain way to destroy America is to offer the electorate a choice between big government with abortion and gay marriage on the one hand, and big government with less abortion and no gay marriage on the other.

36 posted on 02/20/2012 5:59:33 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: Lazlo in PA

Was talking about this with the wife just now.

Even she - a diehard sociallist - sees the sense in bringing manufacturing back home. She did raise one point, though, the definition of manufacturing.

We got talking about McDonalds - cooking burgers is not manufacturing. Making them is. She was curious as to whether the 0% corp tax would be for the entire company, or just the division that actually produces and freezes the food to be cooked.
Not seen anything on this point yet. How robust will the definition of manufacturing be?


37 posted on 02/20/2012 5:59:33 PM PST by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
LOL...but it made a big difference in the American political scene!

It was the beginning of the end for the MSM!

38 posted on 02/20/2012 6:05:56 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: rogue yam
"I wish Santorum would ditch this “revive manufacturing” nonsense. It makes him look like he doesn’t understand free markets, free trade, and limited government."

No, it means he really understands it. No country is going to maintain a strong economy without a manufacturing base. Research and development jobs go to where the manufacturing base is.

America needs something to trade other than our debt or equity in our remaining companies.

39 posted on 02/20/2012 6:06:09 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: EnglishCon
Even she - a diehard socialist - sees the sense in bringing manufacturing back home.

Why would it surprise everyone that a socialist supports government intervention in the marketplace?

She did raise one point, though, the definition of manufacturing.

The problems with Santorum's collectivist folly are so obvious that even a self-avowed socialist understands them. The real question is why won't all of the fake conservatives on this thread admit that which should be obvious to all?

40 posted on 02/20/2012 6:09:30 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: Lazlo in PA

Santorum’s op ed in the Detroit news today laying out some of his his economic plans.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120220/OPINION01/202200318/1008/End-taxes-manufacturing-help-restore-U-S-economy


41 posted on 02/20/2012 6:11:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DannyTN
No country is going to maintain a strong economy without a manufacturing base.

This is hand-waving nonsense.

Define "manufacturing base". How much manufacturing is necessary to constitute a "manufacturing base" and thus enable a "strong economy".

Some people simply can't distinguish between rational economic reasoning and demagogic sloganeering. I wonder if perhaps you are one such person.

42 posted on 02/20/2012 6:14:30 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

He spent the day stoking up the union base for which he is a proponent while promoting himself as a socon - which will not work.

Didn’t work in PA either. Where Rick goes in Michigan says more about WHAT he says.


43 posted on 02/20/2012 6:17:23 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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44 posted on 02/20/2012 6:19:06 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: cripplecreek
That editorial is an incoherent, pandering mess.

China is one of the most important countries in the world. America and China should grow and prosper together. The only way to do that is if both countries abide by the same set of rules. Unfortunately that has not yet happened.

That's why we need a zero tax rate for manufacturing activity. Manufacturing is vital, and it's disadvantaged in America because of China's policies. We need to give our homegrown industry some help.

There is no logical thread there whatsoever. It reads like the China Daily. "Because we say so this is what we're going to do." What a disgrace!

45 posted on 02/20/2012 6:26:06 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
Define "manufacturing base". How much manufacturing is necessary to constitute a "manufacturing base" and thus enable a "strong economy".

I dunno, why don't you ask your ChiCom friends that question. How's the weather in Beijing?

46 posted on 02/20/2012 6:31:08 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rogue yam
"This is hand-waving nonsense."

The real hand-waving nonsense, is ignoring the 23% unemployment, rate while chanting that a manufacturing base isn't important in a free market economy.

Wasn't it Einstein who said that insanity is repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting a different result.

We've tried free trade with unequal trading partners such as communist china and it didn't work. It strengthened our enemies and weakened and indebted us.

Let's try what the founding fathers did, and use tariffs to fund our government and protect our markets except where free trade really is in both countries benefit and not just the underdeveloped one.

47 posted on 02/20/2012 6:34:48 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: central_va

On a thread full of ignorant, dissembling retards you have, with one short post, crowned yourself king.

Congratulations.


48 posted on 02/20/2012 6:35:28 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: cripplecreek

Granholm is out bashing Romney today because he had a alternative method of GM restructuring - Granholm obviously supports stealing ownership of the shareholders and giving ownership of GM to the unions and railroading a century of bankruptcy law.

I’m undecided as of this moment but it’s just PATHETIC that none of these cowards has not tried to bounce their campaigns against Jenny who has fled the state.

Just absolutely inexcusable.

What part of the 2010 elections here do not these campaign advisors get?


49 posted on 02/20/2012 6:38:43 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: DannyTN
Let's try what the founding fathers did, and use tariffs to fund our government and protect our markets except where free trade really is in both countries benefit and not just the underdeveloped one.

Even Reagan used carefully chosen import tariffs to apply pressure to specific foreign manufacturers. It resulted in those manufacturers deciding it was cheaper to produce here than to import.
50 posted on 02/20/2012 6:43:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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