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Iran's Arsenal Of Sunburn Missiles Is More Than Enough To Close The Strait
Business Insider ^ | 2/8/12 | Russ Winter

Posted on 02/12/2012 6:52:24 AM PST by Track9

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To: Leaning Right

Would we be providing escort? I would think so. Both air and possibly sea. Guaranteed the whole area is blanketed with surveillance. I doubt much could move without being immediately spotted. Never mind the heat signature or radar being turned on.


21 posted on 02/12/2012 8:03:55 AM PST by Track9 ("Strength through peace.. oh wait, I mean" Mit Romney)
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To: Track9
"...the aftermath. Multiple carrier groups coming into the region, the US ramping up tank divisions in Iraq, waves of bombers coming in from multiple directions, large percentages of younger Iranians who want democratic changes helping out US Special Forces teams, etc etc etc. "

All true, but don't forget who is our President. To mollify his left wing base in this election year, Obama will avoid any military action and rely on the UN and others to keep the straits open. Even if a US carrier were attacked by Iranian missiles I would expect our capitulator in chief would do little more than some token military action but he would initially rely on some sanctions and harsh letters to the mad mullahs.

22 posted on 02/12/2012 8:08:34 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Track9. Zero is a Kenyan-born Muzzie, chapter 906: Other Democrats: Republican responses: Iran, Syria, the Hizzies, jihadists in general: Pre-emptive strike?
23 posted on 02/12/2012 8:09:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: tanknetter
This is the problem with off the cuff amateur bloggers trying to get you to pay for his premium "service" of pointless alarmist booshwa. They pretend they have noticed something the seasoned professionals who do this for a living have somehow overlooked. As if nobody knew about the Sunburn for the last twenty years or more.

Waste of time.

24 posted on 02/12/2012 8:15:53 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Leaning Right
At its narrowest point the Strait is 22 nautical miles wide. We know how this game goes from the Tanker Wars of the 80's, it doens't go very well for the bad guys. So how would sinking a single ship close the strait to shipping?
25 posted on 02/12/2012 8:23:22 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
So how would sinking a single ship close the strait to shipping?

It's all about the insurance. If a merchant ship or two is sunk, insurance rates for sailing in the area would skyrocket. Prudent ship owners would hold back their expensive ships and await further developments.

As Track9 noted, the US Navy could provide escort, but I doubt if that would make Llyods of London feel 100% confident about still insuring those merchant ships.

And yes, we could take out the launchers, but only after the missile has been fired and the merchant ship has been sunk.

26 posted on 02/12/2012 8:36:16 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
This is the problem with off the cuff amateur bloggers

Yep. We have more skull sweat and money invested in our logistics tail than any potential enemy does in offensive weapons.

Iraq HAD the 4th largest army in the world, with top-of-the-line Russian weapons systems. We sorta just brushed that aside and hanged Saddam from a rope.

/johnny

27 posted on 02/12/2012 9:03:06 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Leaning Right
And yes, we could take out the launchers, but only after the missile has been fired and the merchant ship has been sunk.

That may turn out to be not quite correct. But by all means, keep thinking it.

/johnny

28 posted on 02/12/2012 9:10:43 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
That may turn out to be not quite correct. But by all means, keep thinking it.

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that we could hit a small mobile truck-based missile launcher before it turned on its radar and before it fired?

29 posted on 02/12/2012 9:15:10 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
Gee, if we could do that, we'd have to know about advanced target detection, and Fourier pattern matching and all that advanced sciency stuff and spend billions on defense.

Oh, wait. We do.

As I said, we spend more on our logistics tail than any potential enemy does the tip of their spear.

/johnny

30 posted on 02/12/2012 10:05:59 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Track9
I'm no expert on indirect fire, but it occurred to me that a mobile Iran missile launcher wouldn't need to turn its radar on. In fact, it wouldn't even need to have radar.

Remember, the target here would not be a fast warplane, but a slow-moving merchant ship.

All Iran would need is radar somewhere near the straits. Perhaps on a tramp steamer or on a fishing boat. Such a vessel would always have their radar on for navigational purposes, and so would draw no suspicion.

The vessel could determine the target's bearing to the vessel. With a bit of high school trig, the Iranians could then determine the target's bearing relative to the launcher.

All we could do is hit the launcher after the missile is gone. I don't see how we could reliably stop that missile.

And Iran could do that again and again until no merchant vessel dared to enter the straits.

Now, is it in Iran's interests to do this? Probably not, except as revenge against someone hitting their nuclear sites.

And Iran can't be sure of the US response. Would Obama hit all of Iran's major bases, hard? Or would he just schedule another speech at the UN?

What a mess Jimmy Carter made by allowing the Shah of Iran to fall. Odd how the MSM never mentions that.

31 posted on 02/12/2012 10:25:02 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
In fact, it wouldn't even need to have radar.

Neither did the Iraqi SCUDs. And how many of those thousands actually got fired before being destroyed? And of those fired, how many actually hit a target?

And that was Gulf War I. We did lose some folks to SCUDs.

We may have advanced, technologically, since then.

I would bet that we can detect and destroy any potential launcher, at night, in a fog, during the dark of the moon.

We'll manage. I'm not too worried about Iran.

/johnny

32 posted on 02/12/2012 12:32:44 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Track9

If Iran shoots just one Sunburn toward the Straits, commercial traffic (meaning tankers) will shut down because insurance will be almost impossible to get at any price. International commercial hulls do not move without insurance.


33 posted on 02/12/2012 5:08:56 PM PST by oceanagirl
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To: Track9

If Iran shoots just one Sunburn toward the Straits, commercial traffic (meaning tankers) will shut down because insurance will be almost impossible to get at any price. International commercial hulls do not move without insurance.


34 posted on 02/12/2012 5:09:19 PM PST by oceanagirl
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To: Track9

If Iran shoots just one Sunburn toward the Straits, commercial traffic (meaning tankers) will shut down because insurance will be almost impossible to get at any price. International commercial hulls do not move without insurance.


35 posted on 02/12/2012 5:09:32 PM PST by oceanagirl
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To: Track9

If Iran shoots just one Sunburn toward the Straits, commercial traffic (meaning tankers) will shut down because insurance will be almost impossible to get at any price. International commercial hulls do not move without insurance.


36 posted on 02/12/2012 5:09:46 PM PST by oceanagirl
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To: oceanagirl

Sorry to all about the repeat of substance and post.


37 posted on 02/12/2012 5:11:35 PM PST by oceanagirl
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To: oceanagirl; bert; hinckley buzzard

I think Freeper’s bert and hinckley buzzard have it about right. I doubt Iran has any hope or intent of firing anything other than an air raid siren. See their posts on this thread.


38 posted on 02/12/2012 5:46:47 PM PST by Track9 ("Strength through peace.. oh wait, I mean.." Mit Romney)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The author wronly thinks that China has the SS-N-20 Sunburn and is building these. China purchased P-270 Moskit missiles along with 4 Sovremenny class destroyers. However, it isn't producing these. China has its own anti-ship missiles, including the C-802, which it sold to Iran.

However, you wrongly think that the USSR sold top line equipment to IRaq. The Iraqi T-72 (Lion of Babylon) was a modified T-72M, with an older armor package and targeting system. It was not the T-72B, which had better armor and could fire anti-tank missiles. And it was nowhere near as good as the the T-80.
39 posted on 02/12/2012 11:26:02 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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