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To: CharlesThe Hammer; 1rudeboy; 2nd Amendment; 9YearLurker; andy58-in-nh; AU72; Bigg Red; ...
Not all things labeled 'junk science' are junk. In this case, there is NO money in it for researchers or endocrinologists to OPPOSE sugar. The sugar lobby is huge and super powerful, and our chance of eliminating taxpayer subsidies for sugar are almost zero.

I understand the comments on this thread are almost 100% against this author, but he/they are basically correct. Sugar IS a mild poison because the fructose that is 50% of every 'table sugar' (sucrose) molecule is toxic in that form. It MUST be detoxified by our livers into other compounds, and human livers can only detoxify a certain amount of fructose per day (roughly 25-30 grams of fructose if you are a full grown adult in good health). Most of the world now eats two or three times that amount or more because sugar is so cheap, and thought to be harmless. Children have smaller livers and can only detoxify even smaller amounts than healthy adults.

Over time, the excess fructose damages our livers, leading to metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, and a host of other diseases. Type TWO diabetes used to be called 'adult onset diabetes', but it is now happening to younger and younger sugar addicts, even children.

Newt Gingrich took a beating after FL debates for even mentioning the possibility of someday eliminating the sugar subsidy, and that was after Newt's answer that the sugar lobby was too powerful and it would be almost impossible. [and he was right about that]


The following is an educational seminar by an expert on this subject, the endocrinologist Dr. Lustig

Current Controversies in Nutrition: Letting Science be the Guide
Sugar the Bitter Truth
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(7:05) We have an epidemic of obese 6-month olds!

So any hypothesis that attempts to explain the obesity epidemic, must be able to explain this as well.
(09:10) Now, you all know, back in 1982, the American Heart Association, the American Medical Association, and the US Department of Agriculture, admonished us to reduce our total fat consumption from 40% to 30%. Everybody remember that? ... So what happened? We did it. We've done it. 40% calories down to 30%. And look what's happened to the obesity, metabolic syndrome, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, cardiovascular disease, stroke prevalance, ALL jacked way up as our total fat consumption as a percent, has gone down. It ain't the fat, people. It ain't the fat. So what it it? Well, it's the carbohydrate. Specifically, which carbohydrate? ... (20:05) ...But indeed, this is true, High Fructose Corn Syrup and Sugar are EXACTLY the same. They are both equally bad. They are both dangerous. They are both poison. OK?, I said it. Poison. My charge before the end of tonight, is to demonstrate that fructose is a poison. And I will do it. And you will tell me if I was successful. (22:48) So you can see that more and more of our caloric intake, a higher percentage, is being accounted for by sugar, every single year. So we're eating more; we're eating more sugar. And for adolescents today, they're up to almost 75 grams [of fructose] per day; 12% of total caloric intake. And 25% of adolescents consume at least 15% of their calories per day from fructose alone. This is a DISASTER. An absolute unmitigated disaster. The fat's going down, the sugar is going up, and we're all getting sick. Now let me show you why...
(31:31) ...This was a "Battle Royal" back in the 1970's. This was not a simple thing. There were people lined up on both sides of this story. So this over here, is a book, 1972 it came out. And it was called Pure White and Deadly. Its all about Sugar. Written by a British physiologist, nutritionist, endocrinologist, by the name of John Yudkin. Now I never knew John Yudkin, he has passed away. But I read this book about a year ago, and without even knowing it, I was a Yudkin acolyte. I was a Yudkin disciple. EVERY SINGLE THING that this man said in 1972 is the God's honest truth. And if you want to read a true prophecy, you find this book. Its NOT easy to find, but you go find this book, and I'm telling you, every single thing this guy said, has come to pass. It's ASTOUNDING. I am in awe of this guy.




There are other ways to sweeten things without using so much of the fructose-saturated table sugar (sucrose). For example, clear Karo syrup is 100% glucose, so it does not contain ANY of the liver damaging fructose. I don't expect these authors to succeed in regulating sugar, but if they have any hope of succeeding it should be a war on "liver-damaging-fructose", not a war on all forms of sugar.

83 posted on 02/02/2012 5:52:33 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: Future Useless Eater

Sugar and Salt, white death, I use as little of both as possible.


84 posted on 02/02/2012 5:59:13 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Future Useless Eater

I agree with you and want the sugar subsidy eliminated, along with all agricultural subsidies, but that is not relevant to regulating sugar. The federal government should put out the information and then let us decide. With lower taxes and less government, we would have more time to make informed decisions and more money to afford healthier foods. My family, including my children, eat only a very small amount of processed sugar. We buy almost nothing with added sugar, and we read labels very carefully when we do buy packaged food. I agree with your point on health. I just believe it is not the government’s place to regulate sugar for us - that is my job as a parent.


85 posted on 02/02/2012 6:00:00 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Future Useless Eater; Mase
Sugar IS a mild poison because .....

Because it's the main source of energy for our cells? Or because you don't understand biology and chemistry?

86 posted on 02/02/2012 6:12:46 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Future Useless Eater

I noticed you cited Dr. Lustig, but as I pointed out in a previous post, his criticism of fructose was based on a limited study, with only a pediatric spectrum, for a relatively short time.

Here is a concise set of criticisms against Lustig’s histrionics:

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/


89 posted on 02/02/2012 6:27:40 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Future Useless Eater

That’s approximately one half of a glass of orange juice per day.


92 posted on 02/02/2012 6:54:04 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Future Useless Eater

You make a more convincing case than the author does. Of course, you didn’t waste valuable words trying to impress anyone with your resume.


93 posted on 02/02/2012 7:05:23 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Future Useless Eater

No one gets out alive


94 posted on 02/02/2012 7:05:32 PM PST by tomkat (para bellum)
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To: Future Useless Eater

I have no problem eliminating the Sugar subsidiy.

However Education is greatly needed. I also have no problem if they required the Glycemic index be posted on processed foods.

Bread, Pasta, Starch are basically reduced to sugar in the body and are just as bad. I see people eat huge amounts of the above having no idea what they are doing to their body.

So Sugar is just part of the problem.


95 posted on 02/02/2012 7:26:10 PM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: Future Useless Eater
Your guy Lustig blames fructose for just about every problem facing society except global warming. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about, but he doesn't. Early in his sermon he claims that alcohol is a carbohydrate. It isn't. He also claims that alcohol and fructose are metabolized in the same manner. That's a bizarre statement coming from anyone who claims to understand biochemistry.

He also says that fructose is a toxin. It is not. The liver easily converts fructose to glucose. Of course, if you overwhelm the body with anything, bad things can happen.

Anyone with Lustig's background should know better than to promote the silliness he does, but there it is. He has an agenda, but I have no idea what it is. Who cares. If you're going to demonize sugar of any kind, you should probably find a source who knows what he's talking about.

99 posted on 02/02/2012 8:17:47 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Future Useless Eater

Your entire post ignores the crux of the issue:

It is the domain of the individual to choose one’s food, not that of the state. The Utopian fantasy that all will be slim, beautiful, and obedient will have us all forming long lines outside the main gate to the camp. Don’t be fooled.

I prefer to have the choice as to what goes on my plate and into my mouth. That’s the essence of Liberty.


112 posted on 02/03/2012 3:18:47 AM PST by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: Future Useless Eater
Karo syrup is not "100% glucose." It is 15 - 20% sucrose (glucose) and the rest is "other sugars."

But the issue here isn't whether sugar is good for us or not. It is whether, being bad for us, the government has the obligation -- or even the right, for that matter -- to regulate it. We are grown people. We can make our own decisions as to what we will eat and in what quantities. We don't need a nanny state telling us how to behave.

113 posted on 02/03/2012 5:39:59 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Future Useless Eater

Thanks for that info. I will try to learn more.


114 posted on 02/03/2012 5:43:48 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Future Useless Eater

As someone else has probably already explained, we are not questioning the science, just mocking the call for more government. Like the use of alcohol, tobacco, and other drugs, I would prefer that people be allowed to make their own decisions and, if they chose to poison themselves, suffer the consequences thereof without sticking me with bill. Private insurance companies can work that out. Government does not need to be involved in regulation or in paying for bad habits.

I certainly appreciate your information, and I am all for voluntarily educating people about the dangers of sugar. Or alcohol or riding a motorcycle without a helmet. I would never ride a bike without a helmet, but I oppose laws that require helmets.


115 posted on 02/03/2012 7:26:22 AM PST by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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