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Obama Got Served
American Thinker ^ | February 1, 2012 | Cindy Simpson

Posted on 02/01/2012 7:17:02 PM PST by Sallyven

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To: Kansas58

Logic and the English language dictate that your absolutist statement—“Natural Born Citizen” has ALWAYS meant “Citizen at the Moment of Birth”— is FALSE.

Re-read the passage from Minor v. Happersett. It is not definitive and leaves the subject open.


141 posted on 02/01/2012 9:13:26 PM PST by map
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To: LachlanMinnesota
Look at your own flawed “logic” on the issue.
There is NO direct, Constitutional definition of NBC.

It is entirely CONSTITUTIONAL, therefore, for CONGRESS to define such terms. Courts, for many years, had to resort to Common Law for a definition of citizenship, itself.

Then, legislation was passed by Congress as to what requirements had to be met, to be a Citizen at Birth.

Hamilton shot another founder in a dual. Adams and Jefferson hated each other.

Our Founders, more than likely, disagreed on many citizenship issues.

This is WHY the definition of citizenship was left to Congress.

142 posted on 02/01/2012 9:14:38 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Marco Rubio

born May 28, 1971 in Miami, FL (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Mario Rubio born in Cuba, naturalized Nov. 5, 1975.
Oria Garcia born in Cuba, naturalized Nov. 5, 1975.

Parents were NOT US Citizens at the time of his birth (Does NOT meet the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Marco Rubio is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Marco's status is the same as that of Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama, who is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

143 posted on 02/01/2012 9:15:18 PM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Art in Idaho
Look at the simple logic of your own quotation.

It contains INCLUSIVE language, and excludes NOBODY, does it?

Yes, such people are NBC’s but it does not say that those WITHOUT two citizen parents are NOT Natural Born if born on US Soil.

144 posted on 02/01/2012 9:18:04 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

WOW! - like, can I have an autograph or wash your feet with my hair or something?


145 posted on 02/01/2012 9:19:13 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Kansas58
One case I won was before the 10th US Circuit Court of Appeals.
Did you actually argue the case before the court or did you settle out of court?
146 posted on 02/01/2012 9:19:22 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Sallyven

Seeing such wide agreement on this issue, I assume that if the SCOTUS were to rule on the NBC (not the TV network, dummy!) it would, I guess, rule to please the establishment, avoid rocking the boat, so that Soetero, just off the boat from Indonesia, can be declared to be the same boat as George Bush, i.e. a NBC.


147 posted on 02/01/2012 9:19:43 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Kansas58
You are wrong.
you do not care that you are wrong.


Nonsense.
148 posted on 02/01/2012 9:19:48 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Kansas58
You are wrong, baby, wrong. After studying this topic for over 3 years now, it is my conclusion that no fair minded person could come to any other conclusion, that a Natural Born Citizen is one born on U.S. soil of TWO citizen parents.

Evidence and claims by those that deny this are very weak. They quote cases with no relevance just to confuse the issue.

Just because you shout it over & over doesn't make history, or Supreme Court precedence disappear.

Obama is ineligible. Always was, always will be. That is just a FACT.

149 posted on 02/01/2012 9:20:07 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: butterdezillion

Thank you once again for injecting a measure of sanity in the discussion!

JC


150 posted on 02/01/2012 9:20:55 PM PST by cracker45
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To: Kansas58

Dear Leader’s father was never a US citizen and was over 21 when zero was born. His mother was 17, not 21 so he does not seem to have a path to citizenship, even if born in Hawaii. There has been no credible evidence that he was born in Hawaii and no laws to say that babies born in the US to foreign parents are US citizens, otherwise known as anchor babies. This is just case law not backed up by congressional law. Most lawyers I have known were more dishonest, manipulative and destructionist in their beliefs as any group of people I have ever known, so congrats.


151 posted on 02/01/2012 9:22:10 PM PST by MtnClimber (Tim Tebow will never be successful in the NFL - Leftist journalists who have sold their souls)
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To: fireman15

Special Report with Bret Baier - Fox News covered it a little.


152 posted on 02/01/2012 9:23:49 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Mr Rogers

“For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.”

That is, for the purposes of the case of Minor, a female seeking the privilege to vote.

Now is the time to settle the case for the purposes of Obama, the son of a British subject seeking the privilege to be president of the United States.


153 posted on 02/01/2012 9:24:10 PM PST by map
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To: Kansas58

154 posted on 02/01/2012 9:24:10 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: faucetman
Special Report with Bret Baier - Fox News covered it a little.

I am glad to hear that. I wonder how it will be covered if Obama’s name is dropped from the Georgia ballot?

155 posted on 02/01/2012 9:27:20 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: ASA Vet; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; Bikkuri; ..


Marco Rubio

born May 28, 1971 in Miami, FL (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Mario Rubio born in Cuba, naturalized Nov. 5, 1975.
Oria Garcia born in Cuba, naturalized Nov. 5, 1975.

Parents were NOT US Citizens at the time of his birth (Does NOT meet the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Marco Rubio is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Marco's status is the same as that of Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Hussein Obama, who is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

156 posted on 02/01/2012 9:28:30 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sallyven

Bookmarked...


157 posted on 02/01/2012 9:28:57 PM PST by freepersup (Hi, I'm Michael Jablonski, and right about now my you know what is tighter than a tree's rings.)
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To: Stepan12

“Incidentally, since my mother was born in Canada, I am not a natural born citizen either.”

Just to clarify for those reading your post. I don’t know what your NBC status is, but your mother being born in Canada does not necessarily make you ineligible.

***It was her U.S. citizenship status at the time of your birth***,

not her place of birth. Very different.

I’m sure that’s what you meant.


158 posted on 02/01/2012 9:29:47 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Kansas58

“Natural Born Citizen means Citizen at the moment of Birth, and NOTHING ELSE.”

The founders were pretty smart and thoroughly analyzed every word and concept in the draft Constitution, so if you are correct they would have merely required one to be a citizen, not a natural born citizen. Moreover, they were legitimately concerned about potentially divided loyalties of the commander in chief. You are wrong!

JC


159 posted on 02/01/2012 9:32:46 PM PST by cracker45
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To: Kansas58
Legislation has been passed, since that time, which now controls.
Then simply state what the "legislation" that was passed is so that others can check the veracity of your statement for themselves.
160 posted on 02/01/2012 9:33:25 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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