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Live Thread: South Carolina GOP Presidential Debate on CNN 8 P.M. EST
Thursday, January 19, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 01/19/2012 4:09:17 PM PST by kristinn

And then there were three and a half minds left campaigning for the Republican presidential nomination: Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul.

Link to CNN livestream page.

Hosted by CNN's John King at the North Charleston Coliseum.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; cnnscprimarydebate; gingrich; gopdebate; gopscprimarydebate; lautenberg; newt; newtgingrich; santorum; scprimarydebate; southcarolina; worstprimaryever
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To: M. Thatcher

Yeah, Rick is gonna need a BIG shoehorn to get that foot, shoot, whole leg out of his mouth.


1,151 posted on 01/19/2012 7:27:35 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: All
Priceless! Newt bitch slapping King, ABC and the rest of the MSM about the ex-wife opening question.

Go Newt!

1,152 posted on 01/19/2012 7:28:03 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: kristinn

#cnndebate The Undecided Vote will be hidden as much as possible by the media who wants to have the power to decide the GOP nominee! #cnn


1,153 posted on 01/19/2012 7:28:15 PM PST by pulaskibush (Thou shalt tax/steal from Peter to help Paul/Pablo is not in the Bible!)
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To: Rational Thought
Newt messing with CNN’s mind !
1,154 posted on 01/19/2012 7:28:47 PM PST by Reily
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To: All

Why do half the men on CNN look like Anderson pooper?


1,155 posted on 01/19/2012 7:28:47 PM PST by Leep (Paul/Ventura 2016)
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To: RitaOK
Bless your heart.

Which means: "What an idiot".

1,156 posted on 01/19/2012 7:29:23 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Yaelle
Many Freepers are now locked into newt to fight mitt. They don’t understand that you can also fight mitt with Santorum.

No, it would be difficult to fight Mitt with Santorum because Santorum is a big-government conservative. He wants government to provide solutions just as much as Mitt does. He has a clear record of voting for more government not less.

And Santorum won’t let the people of this country down.

Santorum won't let social conservatives down. He's solid in that respect. However, he has a record of letting fiscal conservatives down with his votes for more government control in our lives. He has a problem understanding the concept of individual liberty and individual responsibility. He has no problem with the government forcing his values upon all Americans whether they share his values or not.

Newt let’s conservatives down Often. Freepers have just forgotten that.

Newt has done more for the conservative cause than Santorum has or probably ever will. Certainly Newt has made mistakes and strayed from what we believe he should have done. FReepers have not forgotten that. However, mistakes are to be expected from someone with as many years experience as Newt has. The upside is that he has learned from them and can use them to forge a better path forward.

But since rick’s going after newt too, Freepers don’t like him.

You're wrong. If FReepers have issues with Rick, those issues are likely his big-government policies/votes, his petulant attitude in debates, and his seemingly impossible chance of beating Obama in the general election. We're not seven-year-olds. This primary isn't about disliking someone who picks on our preferred candidate.

1,157 posted on 01/19/2012 7:29:34 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: potlatch; Longdriver; holdonnow




debate this "Conservatives":




Who voted for the
anti-gun Brady Campaign's
"Lautenberg Gun Ban" in 1996?

- and Nancy Pelosi's
"Criminal Safezones Act"






(or zip up)





1,158 posted on 01/19/2012 7:29:43 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Newt Lautenberg - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: mmanager

Santorum is DONE

DONE

Rick Perry has more Class

Santorum has an ego problem.


1,159 posted on 01/19/2012 7:30:01 PM PST by show
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To: Marcella

Why would dissidents call “RINO” here??? Strange, for sure.
Sometimes I want the zot button for my very own. Glad bj got the name of the Man around here. :) Thanks.


1,160 posted on 01/19/2012 7:30:15 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012 / Rick Bachmann is too loud, too long, too nagging.)
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To: onyx
Romney said tonight "we need someone from the REAL streets of America "

So is Romney from they hood?

1,161 posted on 01/19/2012 7:30:24 PM PST by topfile
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To: alstewartfan
I thought that Rick made the best points, and won the debate.

I agree, considering I listened to most of the debate on the radio. But most here who watched it on TV are more interested in style points rather than substance. Which is why you see so many here supporting Noot.

For me, substance is more important. So I'll be voting for the guy who will get the government the hell out of the health care business instead of the professor who promises to incorporate one-tenth of the Obamacare bill into his own 'replace' bill.

1,162 posted on 01/19/2012 7:30:35 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: gswilder
Newt’s a great debater, and we love his smack down of the media.

Gergen just called it the harshest attack on the media in debate history. He said it in a fairly positive way. Hard to paraphrase exactly.

1,163 posted on 01/19/2012 7:30:40 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Art in Idaho

anyone direct me to a rerun of the whole thing? I missed some of it


1,164 posted on 01/19/2012 7:30:39 PM PST by womanvet (Lesser of 2 evils is Romney, but No man is justified in doing evil on the ground of expediency)
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To: RitaOK

Newt is coming up on Greta shortly.


1,165 posted on 01/19/2012 7:30:59 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: greeneyes

No,he cheated with her for 6 years before getting a divorce (a nasty one ) from Maryanne. Maryanne was a total shrew. Always money grubbing for this that or the other thing, and I think in general a really unhappy person. She has a pretty revealing FBI file I hear. I have not read it anyway.


1,166 posted on 01/19/2012 7:30:59 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: onyx

Sure hope you are feeling better soon. We miss all of your great insight.


1,167 posted on 01/19/2012 7:31:27 PM PST by I_be_tc
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To: tcrlaf

Might be entertaining to see them frantically trying to spin their way around it...


1,168 posted on 01/19/2012 7:31:27 PM PST by Califreak ("Burnt By The Sun")
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To: Leep
When NEWT went off on John King, King tried to deflect by insinuating he didn't
make the decision to put the question out there and NEWT called him out.

Just Now, John King admitted he CHOSE that question......

1,169 posted on 01/19/2012 7:32:34 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

” Which means: “What an idiot”. <<<

LOL! Bingo. :)


1,170 posted on 01/19/2012 7:32:48 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012 / Rick Bachmann is too loud, too long, too nagging.)
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To: pulaskibush

No, Perry did not call people “heartless” for opposing a path to legal status for illegals. He called them heartless for opposing TX in-state tuition for illegal TX residents who had graduated from TX high schools and were working towards legal status.


1,171 posted on 01/19/2012 7:33:26 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: RitaOK
Santorum is ragging in the Spin cameras now non-stop against NEWT.

Santorum needs to worry about Romney first, Obama second. He's pulling a Bachmann and it will not help him. Trying to drag the other guy down rather than pull yourself up does you no good.
1,172 posted on 01/19/2012 7:34:19 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: KansasGirl

Thank you.


1,173 posted on 01/19/2012 7:34:27 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: MaxMax

Damned if you ....

Better to ask it up front than have it lurking around.


1,174 posted on 01/19/2012 7:34:42 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Fawn

Oh, man — thanks for posting that! Godspeed Newt!


1,175 posted on 01/19/2012 7:35:26 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Revolting cat!
I understand. Let’s hold their feet to the fire.

Thank you.  I appreciate it.

I think the trend is good, they’re all signing up.

Be very careful here.  That's exactly what they want you to think, but it's not really true.

If a person has been working here on a green card for six years, they can apply for naturalization.

These candidates are very crafty.  They know this, so they state that they will not allow the registered foreign nationals to apply from here.  They have to go home.

Once everyone is registered, guess what happens next.  The illegal alien support groups will file a law suit demanding everyone legally here be treated the same.

Our courts will side with the illegals.  The millions that register will thus be able to file for naturalization at six years, and be full citizens starting a couple of years after that.

Then they can bring in family members.  The crafty Republicans have tried to state they will not allow this either.

Imagine the courts siding with the government against these new citizens not having the full rights of other citizens.  It wouldn't happen.

Most of these guys are gaming us.  You have to watch what they say very carefully.  It does sound good until you start analyzing exactly what they have said.

Thanks again.  Take care.



1,176 posted on 01/19/2012 7:35:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Listen up RNC. If we wind up with Mitt Romney, you're not getting my vote in November.)
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To: mmanager

If Rick drops out, that is a pity. Both Newt and Milt are horrible candidates, IMO, and have records that should give little solace to conservatives. I have no hope for America with either of these guys. As I said, I thought that Santorum won this tonight, by a mile. It’s time for tough talk, and even a few conservatives here seem to prefer martini sippers.
Tell me, what did Rick say tonight at any point that was so offensive or daft?


1,177 posted on 01/19/2012 7:35:39 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: rwilson99

Thank you ... ‘media protecting Barak Obama by attacking Republicans’. It is time for the attack dog to start taking these chunks out of the scum and villainy euphemistically called ‘the mainstream media’. These vermin are propaganda whores for the european socialist/commie democrap party.


1,178 posted on 01/19/2012 7:36:29 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Art in Idaho

I’ve hired a few people in my day. From mutts to PHd’s. Some were wrecks in a way off the job but damn could they perform in the trenches. Newt may have had some personal issues but damn the guy knows how the watch is built. He is what we call in my business “way smart”. The guy can code.


1,179 posted on 01/19/2012 7:37:01 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: kristinn

So were any freeper minds changed by the debate?


1,180 posted on 01/19/2012 7:37:01 PM PST by pulaskibush (Thou shalt tax/steal from Peter to help Paul/Pablo is not in the Bible!)
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To: All

Today is a sad day for me.

Perry’s dropping, out has altered the face of the debates.


1,181 posted on 01/19/2012 7:37:38 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: af_vet_rr

If Rick doesn’t expose the shoddy records of Newt and Milt, who will?


1,182 posted on 01/19/2012 7:37:43 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: Reily

“Newt messing with CNN’s mind ! “

lol.. this is the best post of the day and Newt scored big tonight.


1,183 posted on 01/19/2012 7:38:04 PM PST by Keflavik76
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To: CainConservative
2. Willard ..thinking slinking towards FL after losing IA & SC
1,184 posted on 01/19/2012 7:38:12 PM PST by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: pulaskibush

I think the Rick Perry supporters have changed their minds.


1,185 posted on 01/19/2012 7:38:41 PM PST by moehoward
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To: moehoward

I haven’t.


1,186 posted on 01/19/2012 7:39:31 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: altura
And, yeah, I do miss Perry. And no, I don’t have a picture of him on my dresser.

Your man Perry did alright. He's a hero in my book. Considering that many were saying he'd done pretty well and was good in the last debate, it must have been a hard thing for him to bow out. It took some real strength of character and grace to do what he did this morning.

He has my gratitude and respect.

1,187 posted on 01/19/2012 7:39:31 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: MaxMax
When NEWT went off on John King, King tried to deflect by insinuating he didn't make the decision to put the question out there and NEWT called him out. Just Now, John King admitted he CHOSE that question......

Whoa, great catch!

Newt comes across as knowledgeable and strong, which explains his appeal to men. The fact that women do not find him as appealing is understandable. Hopefully, facts regarding his previous marriages that will cast his behavior in a more sympathetic light will emerge over the the next few weeks and months.

1,188 posted on 01/19/2012 7:40:09 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: alstewartfan; kristinn

I agree that Rick did make some good points at times. Unfortunately, he spent too much time trying unfocused. For what it is worth, in the “candidate match” questionnaires, Santorum comes out as “closest to my tendencies”, so I have been pulling for him since last year.

However ...

Tonight, I believe that what happened is that the news of the day had everyone off balance. I suspect that Rick and Mitt were going expecting to harvest a lot of hay from Newt due to the news. However, Mr.Newt just newtered them completely from the first few minutes, and may well have thrown their whole strategies into question. Rick did not recover in time (and he had to be the more expectant) but Mitt did recover with his “get to the issues”. RPaul was an afterthought.

Through the rest of the evening, many questions were off balance as a result. Santorum expected to be able to score by simple “I’m not Newt (and implication I am better than Romney)” and have a big swing in the polls. He realized after a while that was not the case - perhaps when Mitt made the “get to the issues” answer. That made him desperate at times trying to draw distinctions and pick a fight with Newt when he should instead have been just himself.

1) Newt could have had a terrible day, but fended off a huge threat to his candidacy and prevailed today as a result.
2) Mitt was “me too” today, for the most part - I actually only remember his “I don’t know how many years of taxes I will release” answer - not a good sign for him.
3) RPaul was pretty much a non-factor and will gain no help from today.
4) Rick’s good answers (abortion, etc.) may help him hold, but I suspect his bad answers (Like SOPA) along with his desperate tone will see him drop when votes are counted.

Thanks for the thread, kristinn.


1,189 posted on 01/19/2012 7:40:17 PM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: onyx

“Argumentative teenager” encapsulates it perfectly. Ugh..


1,190 posted on 01/19/2012 7:40:56 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: MaxMax

I love the way Newt has smacked down the media and Obama during the debates. That is what has gotten him to where he is now. His response is red meat for those of us conservatives who are sick of the MSM.

But beyond our walls, this is going to hurt Newt. His response (while great) is not going to make the issue go away or garner him any significant votes. He will lose votes over this issue. The story hasn’t even aired yet. Wait until the comedians get hold of this over the next few weeks. That is whey it will sink in with Americans.

I think we are more forgiving as a society now of marital issues. But this is more than just an “inadvertant” affair. 6 years in HIS WIFEs bed (not a motel or someplace else). Asking for an open marriage (I know no way to prove it. but like cain he will be presumed guilty by the vast majority). I think this story is just too much for many too stomach.

The MSM is horrible in the tank for the dems. ABC is fast becoming the worst. Unfortunately for us, a lot of people still take what they say as truth. And this barrage against Newt is just the beginning for him or whoever the nominee will be. The MSM destroyed Herman Cain. They destroyed any change of Sarah Palin ever becoming president. And they are at it again.

I wish it weren’t so, but this is a bad blow for Newts campaign in the long run. He may win SC, but will cost him down the road.


1,191 posted on 01/19/2012 7:40:56 PM PST by gswilder
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To: ReneeLynn
Santorum for SOPA. I think he just shot himself in the foot.

Yep. It's bad enough that he's on the wrong side of the issue. It's worse that he appears to be on the wrong side of the issue for bad reasons (i.e. he's still mad about the dirty trick Dan Savage played on him). It's worst of all when his rhetoric suggests that he sees the world from a pro-Big-Government, pro-regulation (as long as the right people are in power) viewpoint.

1,192 posted on 01/19/2012 7:41:17 PM PST by transducer
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To: kristinn
This is the first debate I have watched. Yes Newt can debate however he is going to lose a lot of the womens vote as I believe a lot of them will not vote for a philandering husband. I have been a political junkie for at least 20 years and I had not heard these details about his marriages/affairs before. It will hurt him and he knew it which is why he came out so strongly. I am still voting for Santorum if he is on the ballot in Michigan. They will demonize Gingrich and call him the quintessential mean-spirited Republican. The media will always go after the skeletons.

Wouldn't it be funny if the dems are just waiting for our candidate to be decided upon and then they make a switch to Hillary.

1,193 posted on 01/19/2012 7:41:36 PM PST by MomwithHope (Wake up America we are at war with militant Islam and progressives - 2 fronts.)
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To: MissMagnolia

2. Willard ..slinking towards FL after losing IA & SC


Good fix : ^ )


1,194 posted on 01/19/2012 7:42:08 PM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Perry 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: gswilder
Newt will probably win SC. Because the marital issues won’t sink in much in SC before Saturday. But over the next few weeks, it is going to be the water cooler talk al across America.

Where have you been for the last 15 years? Honestly, I'd like to know, because you seem to be the only person here who didn't know about Newt and his second wife splitting up, trying to get back together, and then splitting up for good.

You've been harping on this all thread. Are you a Santorum supporter who is pissed that Perry gave a strong endorsement to Gingrich?

It appears you are not a Santorum supporter, but a Rick Perry supporter since you said, and I quote, "Perry was my choice".

Since Rick Perry was your guy, then maybe, just maybe, you should take his words to heart when earlier today Rick Perry said:

And Newt is not perfect, but who among us is?

The fact is, there is forgiveness for those who seek God and I believe in the power of redemption, for it is a central tenet of my own Christian faith.


Now it's possible you are not a Christian and do not share the beliefs in forgiveness and redemption which are important to Christians. But if you are a Christian, and if you are truly a Rick Perry supporter as you stated you were, then you should take Rick Perry's words to heart rather than spend your time talking about and trying to distort stuff that the rest of us knew about 15 years ago.

If Rick Perry is truly your guy, then trust his judgement in endorsing Newt Gingrich and trust his judgement as a Christian when it comes to forgiveness and redemption.

1,195 posted on 01/19/2012 7:42:11 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: moehoward
The bigger picture is the media bias ignoring real issues,
issues Obama cannot deal with. The MSM would have
our candidates quibbling about nonsensical issues while
America burns and Obama hides out playing Golf,
smoking pot & pole, and snorting Cocaine.
1,196 posted on 01/19/2012 7:42:27 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: mylife

Did Newt thank Gov Perry tonight for dropping out and endorsing him?
I may have missed it...


1,197 posted on 01/19/2012 7:43:06 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: newzjunkey
Don't act as if Dede was supported over another Republican.

I didn't. I specifically said that Noot supported Dede over a Conservative. Noot was boasting specifically about the large number of pro-life conservatives that were elected in 2010 and pointing out that it was because of him that it happened when in reality he was supporting a pro-abortion pro-democrat candidate over a pro-life conservative. Noot is full of himself, but he is not full of truth.

1,198 posted on 01/19/2012 7:43:40 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: skinkinthegrass

I agree with you except to add...

Romney - Shaky, defensive, copy cat on some of his answers which made him look weak.


1,199 posted on 01/19/2012 7:44:02 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: Proud2BeRight
It wasn't a good debate. It meandered. Newt seemed slightly under the weather. Romney had a bad night with the tax issue.

(CNN keeps running ads for the popular vote. I wish there was an opposition campaign to educate those who didn't get educated in public school on why we have the electoral college rather than a presidential popular vote.)

In the after show Donna Brazille predicts the ex-wife is a losing issue for Republicans if Newt's the nominee; thinks Newt wins SC. She hit Romney on his ridiculousness on release of tax returns.

1,200 posted on 01/19/2012 7:44:02 PM PST by newzjunkey (SC: a vote for Santorum or Paul is a vote for Romney's coronation)
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