Posted on 01/19/2012 7:18:48 AM PST by blam
Jer 2:7-8 And I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things. But when you came in, you defiled my land and made my heritage an abomination. The priests did not say, ‘Where is the LORD?’ Those who handle the law did not know me; the shepherds transgressed against me; the prophets prophesied by Baal and went after things that do not profit.
Jer 5:31 the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their direction; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes?
I would suggest you might not have been so fond of the 'manners' common in the public schools I attended. They never said 'thank you' if they beat the crap out of someone and stole their lunch money.
Parochial school kids were much more polite and far less larcenous.
Perhaps, but the Maryland colony was founded on the basis of freedom of religion, by Catholics.
No, some produce very intelligent godless people, too.
But the bottom line is that the public schools do not produce people who believe in Christianity--that influence has to come from elsewhere, because seldom is the mention of God so much as tolerated in the public school systems nowadays.
It is parents' influences, relatives, or their peers who influence children to embrace Christ, not the schools.
What we are seeing, however cannot be solely laid at the feet of the school system--it is the parents who have failed to overcome the secular humanist indoctrination, as daunting as that task may be.
That requires spending time with your children, leading by example, and making sure they get the foundation in Christ they will need to make wiser choices in spite of the schools' curriculae and peer pressure.
And the common denominator is *godless* which is what the entire public education system is.
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear Uri’el-2012!
Yep, by decree. Which is why I am sending as many fo the grandkids and grest-grands as I can to Parochial school.
Store not up for yourself treasures on Earth...
Perhaps you’ve heard of the new covenant?
Christ and his Apostles weren’t bound by the old law.
1 Cor 11:23-29 is very clear that receiving the Eucharist unworthily means you are guilty of his body and blood.
That would not be true if the act were symbolic.
From the KJV: 1 Cor 11:27-29
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
Oh! That unctuous excuse for the government schools. It's not the schools! No! No! It's the parents' fault. Spend more time with them. Yada! yada! yada! Or as the kids say, "Whatever!" ( eye roll)
So? Where is this precious time suppose to come from? Huh? ( Yes, I am shouting. I am exasperated!)
Depending on age children need 10 to 12 hours of SLEEP!
Children spend up to an hour to three hours waiting for and riding the godless prison buses. ( Oops! "school" buses.)
Six to seven hours is spent in the godless indoctrination camps.
There are after school activities such as sports, theater, and music in the godless indoctrination centers.
Children need, for their health, one to two or more hours of **outside** play, and this is most often spent in the company of other children who are being godlessly indoctrinated.
There is godless homework with godless textbooks which can be as much as 3 or more hours for high schoolers and even kindergarten kids children are expected to do as much as 30 minutes to an hour of godless homework.
So?...If you would enjoy an hour or two with social media or electronics after a busy day, why wouldn't a child? Again this is most often spent with friends who attend the godless school.
Does a children take music, dance, singing, Karate, or gym lessons? Is he or she a member of a soccer team? ( Again in the company with other similarly godlessly indoctrinated kids and little interaction with parents.)
Forget the early morning rush getting kids fed, dressed, and out the door to the bus stop. That doesn't count as quality time.
And...The kicker is that often two parents must work. One to feed the family and the other just to pay the GODLESS school taxes that teach the nation's children to think and reason GODLESSLY! ( How can that be religiously neutral or constitutional?
Sending a child to godless socialist-entitlement schools is like throwing a grape and hoping to hit Jupiter. It's like fighting a forest fire with a water pistol. It is like treating gangrene with bandaid. It is like shouting at a tsunami. It's like wearing a tee-shirt and trying to survive overnight and lost in the woods in minus 20 degree weather. And....The stats prove it. Only 15% of children from highly active evangelical families survive government school and remain active in their faith 2 years after graduation from godless high school. Those stats are sucky! And...These kids are from **good** committed** evangelical homes!
It is the GODLESS SCHOOLS' FAULT! Parents and kids should never be forced to subject themselves to this religious abomination. Taxpayers should never be forced to pay for the establishment of the religious of godless secular humanism. It is a human rights abuse. In the case of the children it is child abuse.
On the contrary, this is what Jesus had to say about the Law.
Matthew 5:17-18 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
In addition, the new covenant didn't take effect until after Jesus death. It COULDN'T because Jesus had not yet died and rose, conquering death. Therefore, the wine and the bread at the Last Supper (the Passover) HAD TO REMAIN wine and bread and be understood by the disciples in that manner.
And this is from the Council at Jerusalem, which Catholics claim Peter chaired as first pope.
Acts 15:13-29 13 After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. 14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
16 “‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, 17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18 known from of old.’
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, 20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. 21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, 23 with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. 24 Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
The prohibition against eating blood is one of the FEW OT law commandments reiterated by the apostles for the church.
Now, you can try to rationalize your way around it all you want, and Catholics always do, but it says what it says.
You also forgot to mention the open contempt with which parents, especially fathers, are regarded these days.
There is no realistic way to expect a child in the public education system who has social media being pumped into this head on his off school hours, to even have a reason to have enough respect to listen to his parent, much less his father, for them/him to have any positive influence on their own children.
Anything the parents are going to try to deprogram the child from is going to be met with the the contempt and derision they have been taught to have for adults.
Which part of this don’t you comprehend?
From the KJV: 1 Cor 11:27-29
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
Very good point.
Just to further the point:
KJV 1 Cor 10:16
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
What part of *Don’t eat blood* don’t you comprehend?
The wine remains wine and the host remains wheat.
The nonsense about it changing AFTER we eat it is just rationalization to explain away the fact that nobody is ever seen eating or drinking literal flesh and blood.
Those verse can be equally applied to someone who believe that the bread and cup are only representing Christ’s body and blood.
He left this command for us in John 6:53-57, and it is the only place in Holy Scripture in which you will find it:
53 “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you (the taken away branch); 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 HE WHO EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD ABIDES IN ME, AND I IN HIM. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.”
The nonsense about it changing AFTER we eat is your own, and is nowhere to be found in Catholic doctrine.
What part of *Don’t eat blood* don’t you comprehend?
The part where you believe it still applies in the face of clear New Testament text.
1 Cor 5:7, 10:16, 11:24, 27-29, 2:14-3:4
Luke 22:19,20
Mark 14:22-24
Matt 26:26
Acts 2:42
John 6:27-71
Do the writings of the "church fathers" trump or impugn the Holy Word of G-d ?
Matthew. 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this Rock I will build my church,shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
One method of Hermeneutical understanding of Matthew 16:18
is to do a word study of all the scriptures which were then known
as the Holy Word of G-d when Yah'shua spoke these words.
This will allow one to understand that all of the Holy Word of G-d
was inspired by YHvH; the whole counsel of G-d.
The only conclusion that one can come to unless you are
predisposed to believe in man's tradition over the Holy Word of G-d
is that Yah'shua was speaking of himself as the "Rock "
e.g.
Peter himself refers to Yah'shua as the "rock" in
Genesis 49:24 But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed
[Or archers will attack...will shoot...will remain...will stay] supple,
because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob,
because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,
Deuteronomy 32:3 I will proclaim the name of YHvH. Oh, praise the greatness of our God!
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock , his works are perfect, and all his ways are
just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
Deuteronomy 32:15 ..... He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Saviour.
Deuteronomy 32:30 How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten
thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless
YHvH had given them up?
Deuteronomy 32:31 For their rock is not like our Rock , as even our enemies concede
Deuteronomy 32:32 Their vine comes from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah.
Their grapes are filled with poison, and their clusters with bitterness.
1 Samuel 2:2 "There is no-one holy [Or no Holy One] like YHvH;
there is no-one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.
2 Samuel 22:2 He said: "YHvH is my Rock , my fortress and my deliverer;
2 Samuel 22:3 my God is my Rock , in whom I take refuge, my shield and the
horn [Horn here symbolises strength.] of my salvation.
He is my stronghold, my refuge and my saviour — from violent men you save me.
2 Samuel 22:32 For who is God besides YHvH? And who is the Rock except our God?
2 Samuel 22:47 "YHvH lives! Praise be to my Rock ! Exalted be God, the Rock , my Saviour!
2 Samuel 23:3 The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me:
'When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,
Psalm 18:31 For who is God besides YHvH? And who is the Rock except our God?
Psalm 18:46 YHvH lives! Praise be to my Rock ! Exalted be God my Saviour!
Psalm 19:14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.
Psalm 42:9 I say to God my Rock , "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?"
Psalm 78:35 They remembered that God was their Rock , that God Most High was their Redeemer.
Psalm 89:26 He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Saviour.'
Psalm 92:15 ..... "YHvH is upright; he is my Rock , and there is no wickedness in him."
Psalm 95:1 Come, let us sing for joy to YHvH; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.
Psalm 144:1 Praise be to YHvH my Rock , who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
Habakkuk 1:12 Oh YHvH, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy
One, we will not die. Oh YHvH, you have appointed them to
execute judgment; O Rock , you have ordained them to punish.
1 Peter 2:1-10NAsbU 1 Peter 2:It is patently clear from the Holy Word of G-d
1 Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
2 like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
3 if you have tasted the kindness of YHvH.
4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God,
5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices
acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6 For this is contained in Scripture: "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone,
AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve, "THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,
THIS BECAME THE VERY CORNER stone,"
8 and, "A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word,
and to this doom they were also appointed.
9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION,
so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
10 for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY,
but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.
that the NAME "Rock" is a NAME that describes YHvH,
the creator of the universe.To assign YHvH's NAME to a mere mortal,
a created being, seeks to impugn and
deny the Holy Word of G-d.It also greives the Holy Spirit.
First, there is nothing grammatically correct in suggesting Christ is talking about himself in this sentence:
“And I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Iwill give your the keys to the kingdom of heaven.”
This rock talk ignores the obvious continued reference to Peter in the next sentence:
“Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Are you asserting Christ is referring to himself in this sentence as well?
What would be the point or the meaning.
And what of these passages?
Lk 22:32
Jn 21:17
Mk 16:7
Lk 24:34
Acts 1:13-26, 2:14, 2:41, 3:6-7, 5:1-11, 8:21, 10:44-46, 15:7, 15:19
Gal 2:11-14
The part where you believe it still applies in the face of clear New Testament text.
So the reference to body and blood Do you know why Yah'shua chose the third cup to speak over? It is and has been for millennia the cup of REDEMPTION. Seek YHvH in His WORD> You are aware that the Last Supper
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
was in reality a Passover meal ?
are METAPHORS.
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