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Why Joe Had To Go (The Daily Big Ten)/Joe Paterno
Daily Big Ten ^ | January 16, 2012 | None Stated

Posted on 01/16/2012 7:45:05 AM PST by Scoutmaster

Why didn’t Joe Paterno do more? Couldn’t he have stopped Jerry Sandusky? Did he deserve to be fired?

Those are questions that have surrounded the Penn State coach for more than two months, ever since he was dismissed over the telephone after 61 years in State College.

Based on comments here and his first media interview published this weekend, there seem to be three themes at the center of any defense of Paterno: 1. He did everything he was obligated to do; 2. You don’t know what you would have done in his situation; and 3. Joe wasn’t in charge, and therefore this was the responsibility of others.

There may be more, given the broad scope of the scandal and the various investigations. But these are the three points that seem to come up time and time again, including from Paterno and/or those close to him.

Let’s look at them one by one:

1. He did everything he was obligated to do.

Legally? Yes. Morally? Absolutely not.

If there was more that he could reasonably have done to prevent Sandusky from allegedly harming one more child in any way, he was obligated to do so. Not legally, but morally. And not just Paterno, but everyone involved, as there is an absolute moral obligation to protect children from predators.

That should go without saying.

It also leads us to the second point …

2. You don’t know what you would have done in his situation.

Very true. I have never been faced with a similar situation.

But I can say with absolute certainty that if one of my employees reported to me that a former high-level, high-profile employee of mine was behaving inappropriately with young boys in a building that was in my area of responsibility … well, I would have had the intellectual curiosity to have more than just one conversation with my superiors about it.

Instead, this is what happened, according Paterno’s talk with the Washington Post:

Paterno contends that ignorance was the context with which he heard McQueary’s disturbing story in 2002. McQueary, sitting at Paterno’s kitchen table, told him that he had been at the football building late the evening before when he heard noises coming from the shower.

“He was very upset and I said why, and he was very reluctant to get into it,” Paterno said. “He told me what he saw, and I said, what? He said it, well, looked like inappropriate, or fondling, I’m not quite sure exactly how he put it. I said you did what you had to do. It’s my job now to figure out what we want to do. So I sat around. It was a Saturday. Waited till Sunday because I wanted to make sure I knew what I was doing. And then I called my superiors and I said: ‘Hey, we got a problem, I think. Would you guys look into it?’ Cause I didn’t know, you know. We never had, until that point, 58 years I think, I had never had to deal with something like that. And I didn’t feel adequate.”

At that point, Paterno set up a meeting for McQueary and Curley, the athletic director, and Schultz, who oversaw university police. McQueary has testified that he gave both men a far more graphic description of what he witnessed, which he believed to be Sandusky sodomizing a boy of about 10, who had his hands against the shower wall. At the preliminary hearing for Curley and Schultz on Dec. 16, McQueary said he had been reluctant to go into similar “great detail about sexual acts” with Paterno, out of respect for the coach, who was 75 at the time.

Schultz and Curley have maintained that McQueary failed to impart the seriousness of what he saw to them as well. They never told police about the allegation, instead informing Sandusky he could no longer bring children to university facilities. Prosecutors say Sandusky continued to abuse boys for six more years.

Paterno has said, “In hindsight, I wish I had done more.”

Paterno’s portrait of himself is of an old-world man profoundly confused by what McQueary told him, and who was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he did not want to be seen as trying to exert any influence for or against Sandusky. “I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .”

He reiterated that McQueary was unclear with him about the nature of what he saw — and added that even if McQueary had been more graphic, he’s not sure he would have comprehended it.

“You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man. So I just did what I thought was best. I talked to people that I thought would be, if there was a problem, that would be following up on it.”

A look at the bold comments:

And, finally:

3. Joe wasn’t in charge, and this was the responsibility of others.

From the Washington Post story:

But after 61 years on the campus, Paterno cleared out his office in the space of one day. It was an end he was unprepared for. Yet it came with the realization that as the face of the university, people assign him greater responsibility than other officials.

“Whether it’s fair I don’t know, but they do it,” he said. “You would think I ran the show here.”

Wrong. Paterno did run the show. He ran the football program. He was the coach. He was the boss. And it was a football facility that was at the center of one of Sandusky’s alleged acts.

By almost all accounts he was a good boss, a great man.

But, when he failed to take the necessary steps to protect children and the reputation of the organization he led, his fate simply had to be the same as other leaders whose institutions have apparently failed:

Joe had to go.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: joepaterno; paterno; pennstate; sandusky
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A couple of comments.

"So I sat around. It was a Saturday. Waited till Sunday because I wanted to make sure I knew what I was doing."

It took a day to decide the best idea was not to call the police and tell them a naked 58-year-old man was in a shower with a naked ten-year-old boy doing something inappropriate of a sexual nature, but to tell an administrator and never to follow up on it. After 46 years as a head coach, making decisions in a snap second on the field. And Paterno was been held out for decades as an example of what a ethical teacher and leader of young men should be like.

“You know, [McQueary] didn’t want to get specific [Note: Did you ask him, Joe? Sometimes having the specifics - the facts - help you make the proper decision], and to be frank with you I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man.

My grandfather was born in 1902 and warned me about these things. I also wonder whether Joe Paterno parsed words - "rape". He had his attorney and a communications adviser present. His family was with him at the kitchen table. This was a tableau as well as an interview. (Sidebar: Ignore the Washington Post. King & Spalding is an Atlanta law firm, not a WDC firm.)

“You would think I ran the show here.”

This happened in 2002. In 2004, the Board of Trustees wanted you to retire. PSU President Graham Spanier and Athletic Director Tim Curley (yes, that Graham Spanier and Tim Curley) came to Joe Paterno's house and asked him to retire. Joe Paterno essentially told them "Get off of my yard." And the man who didn't run the show there told the Board of Trustees, the President and the Athletic Director no. No. Forget it.

1 posted on 01/16/2012 7:45:15 AM PST by Scoutmaster
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2 posted on 01/16/2012 7:46:51 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Scoutmaster
Joe P acted as a coward, as far as I'm concerned. His statement "“I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .” tells me that he had no real desire for the truth, no true disgust in the matter, no soul to help kids who could be abused. It irritates me when I hear people say how much integrity he had. These people are entitled to their opinion, but so do I. He was more concerned with his own agenda and turned a blind eye to years of affliction on innocent children. For that, he makes me ill.
3 posted on 01/16/2012 7:55:49 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Scoutmaster

Joe Paterno WAS NOT FIRED!

He remains a tenured employee of Penn State University and is currently negotiating his retirement agreement.

Everyone was duped. Here’s what Steve Garban and John Surma of the Penn State Board of Trustees had to say about Paterno’s continued employment on Thursday. From CBS:

“Coach Paterno remains employed by the University as a tenured faculty member,” they said in a statement released Thursday. “The details of his retirement are being worked out and will be made public when they are finalized. Generally speaking, the University intends to honor the terms of his employment contract and is treating him financially as if he had retired at the end of the 2011 football season.”

Paterno is still getting paid. Penn State is still honoring his contract. And yes, they plan on sending him off into the sunset just like they would any other employee who retired after years of service to the university.


4 posted on 01/16/2012 7:57:41 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Scoutmaster
Joe is a victim. He did not have to go.

And the more people talk about Joe, the more people ignore the real bad guys.

5 posted on 01/16/2012 7:59:22 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry)
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To: Tribune7

I love JoPa — and I love what he did for Penn State and its players. But, I have to say that had someone told me that a full-grown man was sexually abusing little kids in the shower of my athletic facility, I would have been considerable more pro-active. As in going bonkers. And no matter how old I was, the next time i saw the miscreant, I would have had to have been physically restrained from assaulting him.


6 posted on 01/16/2012 8:04:24 AM PST by hampdenkid
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To: Scoutmaster
You really seem obsessed with this issue. Hope you are spending 7 days a week stopping child predation by scoutmasters, priests, ministers, brothers, sisters, wives, grandfathers, coaches, next-door neighbors. Don't just report your suspicions but do something yourself when the authorities won't take action and the hell with due process.
7 posted on 01/16/2012 8:04:34 AM PST by cmwy
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To: bigbob
Joe Paterno WAS NOT FIRED!

Joe Paterno was fired. He was removed unwillingly from his job for non-economic reasons. Just because he was fired from one job does not mean he was fired from all jobs such as his teaching post, nor does it mean that all contracted obligations end.

But, yes, he was fired and it is very silly to say otherwise.

8 posted on 01/16/2012 8:05:10 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry)
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To: Scoutmaster

I recently read that author Stieg Larsson (Girl with the Dragon Tattoo) had witnessed a gang rape of a girl when he was 15. He was haunted for his entire life by the event and for not helping the girl. His guilt shaped his books (The Millinium series). He was only 15 and possibly could never have helped the girl anyway against a gang. But, what a difference...Joe P had years and years to act, but did not..shame on him!


9 posted on 01/16/2012 8:05:19 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Tribune7

Please tell me you forgot the sarcasm symbol.


10 posted on 01/16/2012 8:07:10 AM PST by HollyB
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To: cmwy

Ridiculing someone for pointing out corruption and crime against innocents is just wrong. I wish more people had a sense of righteous indignation on the subject.


11 posted on 01/16/2012 8:11:34 AM PST by HollyB
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To: hampdenkid
But, I have to say that had someone told me that a full-grown man was sexually abusing little kids in the shower of my athletic facility, I would have been considerable more pro-active.

I wouldn't take someone's word for it -- even if I didn't think they were lying. I'd want it investigated & would report it. If I trusted the people to whom I reported it -- which should go without saying -- and they came back saying "it was no big deal, the kid didn't see what he thought" I'm not sure I'd do much more.

There was a lot of speculation and assumption that Paterno knew of the 1999 matter which was reported to police and dismissed. It appears now that he didn't.

12 posted on 01/16/2012 8:12:32 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry)
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To: HollyB

Nope. The focus on the lynching of JoePa is leaving a lot of things undiscussed.


13 posted on 01/16/2012 8:14:08 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Perry)
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To: HollyB
Two years ago I watched a video with a few of the men who were raped by cath. priests. Their description of “father Bob’s back-rub” made me sick. I'm still haunted by the utter helpless of a child who's ignored when at last he has the courage to tell his parents, only to be told, “Oh, he's a priest, he wouldn't do that.”

Joe P., you sold your soul to the devil. Now live with it.

No redemption, buddy.

14 posted on 01/16/2012 8:14:54 AM PST by jayrunner
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To: Tribune7

I agree with you. I guess the question is; Did those to whom JoPa reported the situation come back and say “it was no big deal, the kid didn’t see what he thought”?


15 posted on 01/16/2012 8:18:57 AM PST by hampdenkid
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To: hampdenkid
I agree and this is unacceptable.

Paterno’s portrait of himself is of an old-world man profoundly confused by what McQueary told him, and who was hesitant to make follow-up calls because he did not want to be seen as trying to exert any influence for or against Sandusky. “I didn’t know which way to go,” he said. “And rather than get in there and make a mistake . . .”

16 posted on 01/16/2012 8:20:36 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Tribune7

“The focus on the lynching of JoePa is leaving a lot of things undiscussed.”

For instance? There are many issues to this story. One is clear cut - a nasty pedofile, try and charge him, throw away the key. The other is something that needs to be discussed. That is that when a person is aware of a crime and does nothing - they are complicit. These people need to start being held accountable and prosescuted.


17 posted on 01/16/2012 8:23:02 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Scoutmaster
"“In hindsight, I wish I had done more.” This is where Paterno – unlike some of his defenders – acknowledges he did too little. And that is why he simply couldn’t continue as coach."

The phrase, "in hindsight" is the money phrase. No one I know, who was involved in the football program as a player, suspected anything unusual about Sandusky. In fact, he was personable and very well liked.

Once the SHTF, I think everyone wishes they had done more in hindsight.

18 posted on 01/16/2012 8:23:19 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: Tribune7
Correct. Penn State wants to put Joe Pa and the football program on trial as a means to take the heat off the atmosphere of political correctness and homosexual indulgence created and enshired by Graham Spanier and other members of the administration.

I make this statement not to excuse the inaction of Joe Paterno, but simply shine the light on the bigger picture which the media refuses to see.

19 posted on 01/16/2012 8:23:50 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: bigbob

“Everyone was duped.”

I don’t think anyone was duped. Joe, who had a contract to coach football, was terminated. He is also a fully tenured professor at PSU and under a contract that must be negotiated.


20 posted on 01/16/2012 8:25:26 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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