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Santorum and Gingrich Scramble for the Conservative Vote
nytimes.com ^ | January 15, 2012, 12:20 pm | MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Posted on 01/15/2012 11:59:29 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

WASHINGTON — Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich both pleaded with conservatives on Sunday to unite behind their candidacies in a last-ditch effort to stop Mitt Romney’s march to the Republican presidential nomination.

Mr. Santorum said the Republican contest needed to quickly narrow to a two-person race between Mr. Romney and someone else, but he declined to explicitly call on the other candidates to drop out.

“I’m not going to tell anybody to get in or out of a race; I think that’s their decision to make,” Mr. Santorum said on Fox News Sunday. But he added, “We need to get this eventually down to a conservative alternative to Mitt Romney.”

Mr. Santorum said the vote of support for his candidacy by Christian conservative leaders on Saturday in Texas should persuade Republicans in South Carolina that he deserves to be that alternative.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: alternative; conservative; gingrich; mitt4romney; mittromney; newtgingrich; notromney; ricksantorum; romney4romney; santorum; southcarolina; vote
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Santorum is no conservative. Just examine his voting record.

Both Gingrich and Santorum are fine Conservatives and I would be happy with either of them however Gingrich presently has a better chance of knocking out the liberal 0bama Junior Romney.

51 posted on 01/15/2012 12:51:46 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: kingu
YOU SAID: "Worse, Romney's team, if they get the White House, will work to exclude anyone who worked against Romney (IE: Any conservative) from any support from the national party. Defunding of campaigns, support of 'moderate' candidates in close races, etc. "

Response: This may be true. I can certainly see Romney and his crowd eliminating conservatives. If one looks at what Romney DOES ignoring what he says, he is very liberal.

52 posted on 01/15/2012 12:52:10 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Happy Rain

There is one guy running that wants to knock off that socialist **** and allow “Right to work”

There is on guy that wants to reign in the FED and the EPA.


53 posted on 01/15/2012 12:54:01 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Rick Perry should endorse Newt and go back to Texas or he will help push Mitt over the top. He has already said that Newt was a brillant person. Time to give it up, Rick, your stances crushed you in the early debates which will not carry you in the general. Just keep dividing the votes which explains Romney and Rove’s smiles. Gosh, these egos-from the candidates to the newspaper people, to the insiders, to the church groups. Get someone in there to change the system before it’s too late. We need a person who knows what it takes to make changes and who will investigate the treasury.


54 posted on 01/15/2012 12:54:57 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: ez
It will be down to one anti-Romney after FL, but I don’t think Rick will care for the results.

One anti-Romney AND THE SURRENDR MONKEY. As long as Soros and his minions keep pumping money into his campaign Cut and Run will stay in.
55 posted on 01/15/2012 12:55:13 PM PST by John D
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To: gogogodzilla

Let me fix that for you.

If Santorum and Newt are out, you have Romney and Obama

It’s *THAT* simple.


56 posted on 01/15/2012 12:55:13 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Happy Rain

The 2010 Tea Party victory was a reaction against “The Divine One” a revulsion if you please. It may not have been due to an acceptance of “the message.”


57 posted on 01/15/2012 12:55:36 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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People just dont get it.


58 posted on 01/15/2012 12:55:48 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Christie at the beach

Bah!
What stances killed him?


59 posted on 01/15/2012 12:58:09 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: FrankR

LOL!


60 posted on 01/15/2012 12:58:23 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Happy Rain

Your calculus is depressing but accurate.


61 posted on 01/15/2012 1:00:13 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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Perry will go back to Texas and serve again or he will retire having served well.

He won’t hang his head, he has done America proud and has been true to himself.


62 posted on 01/15/2012 1:01:43 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
I have heard that as conventional wisdom but the Tea Party supported candidates were more conservative than usual. Can't win something with nothing as they say.

Perhaps 2010 was both an Obama backlash and a conservative resurgence—I would like to think so and see more of it this November.

But as far as proving the original assumption we certainly won't if we nominate Mitt and that's a for sure.

63 posted on 01/15/2012 1:08:16 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Newt Rick or Rick cuz four more with the Twit will put America in the....")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Well, you’ve proved my original post’s aside.


64 posted on 01/15/2012 1:08:34 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: mylife
—> Showing us he is not much of a conservative with his policies on tuition for in state illegals to mandating children to have shots (until that was rewritten)No conservative or liberty loving American would want any form of government forcing any person to have a shot.
65 posted on 01/15/2012 1:08:45 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Well this is far from an ideal situation, but I have the impression that Santorum is honest.


66 posted on 01/15/2012 1:08:53 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

If he starts wearing a bow tie with his sweater vest, I’ll vote for him.

[not]


67 posted on 01/15/2012 1:09:42 PM PST by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: kingu

A beautiful summary of an ugly picture.

Thanks for posting that. Conservatives -must- understand those facts, or we are back to pre-Goldwater days for at least as long.


68 posted on 01/15/2012 1:10:41 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I agree.

Some of the stuff being dredged up about Santorum is highly suspect too.

1. trying to take him down because he voted for things that were riders on comprehensive bills, as if he only voted for the problematic issue standing alone

2. trying to take him down with sites clearly coming from a leftist vent, when you look they’ve trashed Republicans to the almost total exclusion of Democrats (senate and governors)


69 posted on 01/15/2012 1:14:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (This administration is Barawkward... yes lets try everything that failed in the 20th Century. NOT!)
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To: Palladin

That’s sad but the way things are shaping up.Gingrich blew it by his no show. Neither he nor Santorum have the GOP mega bucks like a hole Romney.And Paul is the spoiler the Obama machine was hoping for.


70 posted on 01/15/2012 1:14:28 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: FrankR

Once upon a debate

LOL that is funny


71 posted on 01/15/2012 1:14:56 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: Christie at the beach
Furthermore, mylife, I resent any politician giving up my rights as they think they know what is the best for the masses. This is called liberalism.
72 posted on 01/15/2012 1:15:05 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: BenKenobi
Didn't mind the profanity warning on the posting window I see;)
73 posted on 01/15/2012 1:16:22 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Newt Rick or Rick cuz four more with the Twit will put America in the....")
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Gingrich-Santorum
 
or
 
Santorum-Gingrich

74 posted on 01/15/2012 1:18:54 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: livius
>He’s also leaden, a terrible speaker, and has absolutely no chance of getting the nomination - but he’ll make sure that Romney gets it.

Oh stop with this BS already. Stop lying. How is Santorum going to make sure that Romney gets the nomination? How?

75 posted on 01/15/2012 1:18:59 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: BenKenobi

“He seems to want to handle it by taking benefits away from the already retired”

You mean he’s in favor of Social Security reform? Earned my vote!

This may win your vote, but this will lose the election to Obama for sure.


76 posted on 01/15/2012 1:19:38 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: Psalm 144

Well said. Add Paul the spoiler that has boots on the ground like Obama and a GOP funding of a used car salesman flip flop Romney and we have one huge mess that the REAL ENEMIES: the MSM,the Obama Machine progressives are LOLing at..


77 posted on 01/15/2012 1:20:32 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Salvation

A M E N! but....either one would do better with Martinez as VP,Palin as energy sec.,and each other serving in the others cabinets.


78 posted on 01/15/2012 1:23:37 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: make no mistake

Last I checked, my generation is taking it in the shorts right now.

But hey, who cares? Let’s put the debt up to 150 percent of GDP. Sky’s the limit.


79 posted on 01/15/2012 1:24:02 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Don't know his record; and don't care. The idea that he and Perry are sucking up air time and votes; makes me crazy. And of course, there is Ron Paul; doing same. Pathetic.

Show us, South Carolina; that you are better, smarter than this!

80 posted on 01/15/2012 1:24:33 PM PST by cricket (<I>Obama the Occupyer</I> must go. . .and Newt must win. . .)
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To: BenKenobi
Right or wrong concerning Santorum’s views on slashing benefits for people already on social security will be a losing battle for Santorum. This alone will give the nomination to Obama
81 posted on 01/15/2012 1:31:22 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

The big question is who will come in third place.


82 posted on 01/15/2012 1:33:20 PM PST by SlargTarg
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To: Hoodat

It is a BS argument used on here frequently.Remember that supposedly Bachmann was in the tank for Romney.Who ever is not Palin or Gingrich is in the tank for Romney...it is a silly childish argument that says my _________ candidate or no one.(They may as well write in Romney/Obama’s names.)


83 posted on 01/15/2012 1:34:12 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Carry_Okie
Rationalize anything? So; he figured out the 'global warming' scam - and better late than never.. .Have you heard Perry on this? Mitt?

As for his failed marriages; unless, you can walk in his shoes; no reason to go there. Our Country is too desperate for Leadership; for this.

We know Newt can lead; and that he can debate; and hold his own with world Leadership. We know his vision for America.

Good Grief; Reagan was not perfect; nor a saint; nor Bush, for that matter; why does any Repub imagine we must have a Saint? Certainly, NONE exists per running for 'this' job. Nor, should we want one, for that matter.

84 posted on 01/15/2012 1:34:15 PM PST by cricket (<I>Obama the Occupyer</I> must go. . .and Newt must win. . .)
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To: SlargTarg

Paul.Obama/Soros fake tea party boots on the ground will be lucky to come in third or fourth.


85 posted on 01/15/2012 1:36:48 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: make no mistake
Right or wrong concerning Santorum’s views on slashing benefits for people already on social security will be a losing battle for Santorum.

Thirty percent of people collecting benefits are well below retirement age. I would support anyone eliminating their 'benefits' altogether. Santorum has the courage to tell the truth while the other candidates via political expediency remain part of the problem.

86 posted on 01/15/2012 1:37:35 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: mylife
Pennsylvania did not want “right to work” when Santorum was in congress so he represented his constituents like what he was elected for. Also as a constitutional conservative he didn't want the feds to shove down the throats of the states even something as worthwhile as “right to work.” Fidelity to the 10th Amendment is a GOOD thing.
But Rick is a "right to work" presidential candidate--and as president he would have the power to push “right to work” in the federal work force and busting the fed union mafia will save billions of taxpayer bucks.
87 posted on 01/15/2012 1:38:16 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Newt Rick or Rick cuz four more with the Twit will put America in the....")
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To: Happy Rain

I ask this respectfully, though it will come off as hostile:

Does it bother you at all that the net result of your vote on Saturday will likely be to hand Romney every single delegate in SC, and effectively end the entire primary process three weeks into January?

Because I can tell you: I run the Newt ping list and started it way back when. If the polls in my state read as they do in SC, but with Santorum and Romney in a two-man race instead of Gingrich and Romney, I would be voting for Rick Santorum to stop Romney. I think most Newt backers would, since stopping Romney seems to be the one unifying issue for all of us.

Why is it Santrorum voters are perfectly content to voting for the guy who is way behind Romney instead of strategically voting for the guy who is statistically tied with Romney? I asked this same question in 2008, when Huckabee tried riding a strong Iowa finish through an entire national primary process.

Are you really going to vote for Rick Santorum on Saturday if the polls show that Gingrich has the only real chance of denying Romney every single SC delegate? Are you really prepared to turn SC effectively blue in the GOP Primaries, and make it once again the state that hands a RINO nomination, just cause, doggone it, you just like Rick Santorum better?

I respectfully ask that you reconsider. There is no “strong finish” in SC. Winner takes ALL; second place is MEANINGLESS.

You also have to consider that aside from the process being over if Romney wins SC, a lot of us are not going to forgive Rick Santorum and his supporters and come rallying behind him if he continues being 2012’s Mike Huckabee. Giving Romney SC and effectively the nomination is not something people like myself are going to reward.


88 posted on 01/15/2012 1:39:29 PM PST by TitansAFC (Rick Santuckabee is 2012's version of Mike Huckatorum. Avoid Conservicide voting; support Newt!!)
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To: Psalm 144

Post this link to all who call Santorum a RINO

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2364022/posts


89 posted on 01/15/2012 1:41:55 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: livius

livius !!

Three cheers for bringing up Santorum’s HORRIBLE social security plan.

This is a disaster. Once people learn about it he will be unelectable.

Trust me on this, as Rush says.

The cane and walker crowd may hobble to the polls but they will get there and vote against him.

I need to hear more about this. It isn’t out there enough.

I wish Perry would bring it up. He and Paul Ryan have a sensible, workable plan that wouldn’t punish the elderly.

I see a lot of young people on here absolutely livid about people on social security. My dearest hope for them is that their elderly parents move in with them.


90 posted on 01/15/2012 1:47:17 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Carry_Okie

My vow is not to reply to stupidity today.

So I’m not bother to reply to you.


91 posted on 01/15/2012 1:49:18 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: TitansAFC

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/01/15/politics/p070909S90.DTL


92 posted on 01/15/2012 1:51:24 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: mylife

Speaking of getting out, I’m wondering about Ron Paul.

I don’t wish him ill, but he’s old and he looks horrible.

He’s suddenly gone back to Texas and no one knows why.

If he should drop out for health reasons, I wonder who would get his votes. He has a lot of them right now.


93 posted on 01/15/2012 1:52:05 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

“Santorum and Gingrich Scramble for the Conservative Vote”

And neither have the organization nor the resources to see it through. It’s a two horse race between mitt romney and Ron Paul. It’ll be interesting to see how long they each stay in and continue to split the traditional conservative vote.


94 posted on 01/15/2012 1:54:16 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The party of Liberty - The GOP. Join today!!)
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To: TitansAFC
I'm just following the Buckley rule by voting for the most conservative candidate who can win and without a speck of doubt nor a dinky mote of apprehension that vote is going to Rick Santorum.

We disagree but that's politics and politics is combat confusion in our state and the only accurate polls here are exit polls—and even those can't be trusted every time.

95 posted on 01/15/2012 1:55:37 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Newt Rick or Rick cuz four more with the Twit will put America in the....")
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To: Hoodat

Like I said, right or wrong....this will become a BIG issue and a losing one for Santorum if he wins the primary. He may win votes on this against Romney but surely will lose to Obama.


96 posted on 01/15/2012 1:56:33 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: cricket

So; he figured out the ‘global warming’ scam - and better late than never.. .Have you heard Perry on this?*******

Yeah, no elected official in America has ridiculed AGW more than Rick Perry. Going back to at least 2008 he’s referred to it in speeches as nothing more than hype, hot air and a big phony mess. He also accused Gore’s mouth of being the primary source of global warming 4 years ago for his constant preaching on the issue.

Perry is far and away the most solid of any candidate on this issue. He takes a sledgehammer to the issue.


97 posted on 01/15/2012 1:57:16 PM PST by bereanway
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To: Carry_Okie

Or what?

People who know something about the subject and who are capable of a reasonable discussion have varying views about the Road.

Nothing would ever be built without eminent domain. It doesn’t take that much land and the owners are well compensated. The TTH was a bright idea and showed Rick Perry’s thinking outside the box as they say.

Perry took chances when he believed in something. He’s taken chances with a couple of stances in this race, as when he wouldn’t support corn gasoline in Iowa just to get votes. Santorum did.

He knows he’s taken an unpopular stance on the troops also, but it’s what he believes. He doesn’t trust Iran and he doesn’t think our troops should have given years of their lives only to be pulled out as a political ploy.


98 posted on 01/15/2012 1:57:28 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Psalm 144

“We also tend to aggravate the problem by driving off people who could be and should be potential political allies. Not brothers, not comrades, but allies. I am speaking here of libertarians.”

You’re 100% right. But your call for sanity is going to fall on deaf ears. And the sad irony is that the folks who will end up marginalized as a result will not be the libertarians but the traditional conservatives.


99 posted on 01/15/2012 1:59:20 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The party of Liberty - The GOP. Join today!!)
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To: Christie at the beach

Santorum should endorse Rick Perry and go back to PA.

Oh, wait, they kicked him out. Oh, well.

Santorum is dividing the conservative vote and he doesn’t have a chance. Let it be between two decent candidates—Gingrich and Perry and let’s see what happens.


100 posted on 01/15/2012 1:59:55 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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